Thursday February 16, 2012

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    WhiteHawk

    yabits:

    In other words, I needed to supplement my reading of the bill with unbiased commentary -- very difficult to find, especially when you've got the true haters out to brand anyone who argues for some of the major provisions of the bill as a socialist or worse.

    Obviously, it's never occurred to you that major provisions of this bill are socialist - or worse. How does pointing such facts make someone a "hater"? Is that because you define "haters" the same way you define "hate speech": What you hate to be challenged with?

    The same way that it is good for Americans that tax cheats get heavy fines and possible jail time.

    You're equating going on a government health-care program with paying taxes? Fascinating.

    The same way that uninsured motorists get the same.

    First, only in some states, not all. Second, when you operate a motor vehicle, you are putting the lives and property of others at risk.

    You either believe that access to health care is a basic human need and therefore a basic human right -- or you don't.

    EVERY AMERICAN HAS ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE! It's just some people want someone else (they don't really care who) to pay for it.

    One of the main ways that the opposition to the plan is sold is by threatening the majority that if the uninsured are brought into the fold, that it will mean less health care for them in some future hypothetical scenario.

    "Hypothetical"? Have you seen the financial condition of Social Security, Medicare, even the Post Office?

    Believe in lies if you want to. After all, that's why you support Republicans.

    Was there a place, specifically, in the legislation that provided welfare and food stamps for America's poor that called for the destruction of poor families and the obesity of those on welfare? No, but it was there, between the lines. It's called "unintended consequence", and it seems to happen regularly with the Left's well-intentioned, guilt-ridden, make-ourselves-feel-better-without-solving-the-problem-or-even-creating-new-ones "social justice" schemes.


    It's not that Americans - even "evil Republicans" - don't want to provide care for those who genuinely need it. But it's how to go about it that's the argument. Democrat voters (not all, but many) want health care of the same quality we have now, they just want the bill sent to someone else. Preferably a Republican. Democrat leaders want the power to say who gets what, and use that power to build their unquestioning voting block. Republican (and independent, if the last three elections are any indication) voters don't want corrupt, inept idiots like Pelosi, Murtha, Obama, etc., having any more control over their lives and money than they do already. They don't want another system that is going to be bursting the budget with fraud and abuse, as so many other government social programs are now. Republican leaders want tort reform in order to bring down the cost of health insurance, so more people can afford it on their own.

    Most Americans (and statically that has to include some Democrats) don't want the program that has been proposed by the current Democrat leadership. Instead of a $1,000,000,000,000+ bureaucratic nightmare, how just giving each American citizen who can't get health insurance a $1,000,000 medical savings account and be done with it? Why not? Because it's too simple, it doesn't involve enough lawyers or paperwork, it doesn't give Democrat leaders more control over the lives of nearly all Americans, and it doesn't put more leverage money into a system of corruption and political influence (just imagine Murtha having a health-care paradise in his district of Pennsylvania while the rest of the country makes do with less).

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    WhiteHawk

    zurcronium:

    who wins now is greed and corruption and who loses are 45,000 more americans that die due to lack of healthcare in the richest country in the world.

    Oh look, another Leftist who believes myths without questioning them.

    Really none of you know what you are talking about when it comes to policies to help the USA recover from the bush failures.

    For people who "don't know what we're talking about", we certainly seem to have no trouble defeating the arguments of those with your mindset.

    RomeoRamenII:

    Obama and his party of Endless Entitlements.

    Very appropriate. Could be a band name, but instead it describes this administration very accurately. How about Obama and the Government Takeovers? They're playing a street corner near Yoyogi Park this weekend. ;)

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    WhiteHawk

    why Yanks think that state provided care is wrong is beyond me.

    Are you familiar with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, John Murtha, and the rest?

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    Gombei424Canada:

    Haha ha ha...well, my many friends,it's just TOO funny that old man McCain would think that palin, who was the worst vice president candidate EVER,could act as a lifeboat for his staying in the Senate

    You seem to be forgetting Joe Biden. And Walter Mondale. And Spiro Agnew. Want me to go on? By the way, can you tell the difference between Sarah Palin and Tina Fey? I can post some quotes, and you can tell me who said what.

    Obama is more popular than ever.

    Which is why the last three candidates he's campaigned for have lost. And why his approval rating has plummeted from 70% to the low 40's. All because he's more popular than ever?

    Hence, the economy IS picking up

    What economy are you looking at? Certainly not the one I'm living in.

    and health care WILL soon be available to the 70 million who don't have it

    It's already available. I found my policy in less than 10 minutes, I was approved the next day, and it costs me less than $100/month. Where's the crisis?

    and who the republicans want to see die immediately.

    Proof?


    Frankly, if Hayworth is to the right of McCain politically, I'd rather have him. I'm tired of worrying if McCain will vote with his pals Specter and Snowe or for the people who elected him.

    Posted in: Palin will campaign for McCain's Senate bid

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    WhiteHawk

    Yabits:

    Funny how health care reform that would be good for Americans is blocked by all of the Republicans. After they lie about it and do all they can to scare the American people.

    How is it good for Americans to levy fines and jail time for not buying health insurance? And what lies? And to second Noliving, have you read the bill?

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    WhiteHawk

    From brilliant politician to...

    I think it's a bit of a stretch to describe Edwards as a "brilliant politician". More than a stretch, really.

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    WhiteHawk

    the woman who destroyed his chances for becoming president is now his lifeboat for staying in the Senate?

    McCain's bringing in Katie Couric? ;)

    Posted in: Palin will campaign for McCain's Senate bid

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    WhiteHawk

    yabits:

    If they do, it will prove they care more about what's right for the vast majority of Americans than they do about a key percentage of angry white voters.

    What about the angry Asian voters? The angry Hispanic voters? The angry black voters? The angry Jewish voters?

    The important thing is that the Republicans have no plan and no ideas except going back to what has already proven to fail.

    That's not true. The congressional Republicans have tried to submit plans and legislation, only to be stonewalled by the congressional Democrats (led by Pelosi and Reid).

    amerijap:

    America was already sick even before the Obama administration, due to horrible health care system that leaves the country far behind the rest of the nations.

    Again, that's a myth. Even when I've been unemployed, I never lacked for quality health care when I needed it.

    yabits:

    That "majority" -- if it truly is such -- represents a narrow cross-section.

    Wow, did you get dizzy from that spin?

    And then there's the angry whites, who resent the concept that they might have to help pay for someone else's care.

    Could you be a bigger racist?

    adaydream:

    Let's get this straight. This was not a national referendum, it was a state's vote.

    Except that Obama has called congress to scale back its aggressive takeover- er, I mean "reform" of the health care system. And, according to exit polling, 52% of voters were opposed to the federal takeover, and 42% were voting to stop it from passing.

    USAFdude:

    Well, at least my family and I have government health care. Good luck to the rest of you.

    I have my own, it was easy to find and obtain, and it is affordable. In fact, it might even cost me less per month than your health coverage is costing me per month. My parents are both veterans, so they have the choice of using the VA hospitals and system, but they don't. Instead, they use the same private-sector health care system that I use. Now why do you think that is?

    My attitude is far better than those who would allow fellow Americans to either go bankrupt or die (perhaps both) than have nationalized health care. Oh well; at least my conscience is clear.

    How clear would your conscience be if you bankrupted the entire country and caused more people to die?

    yabits:

    Anger is one of those emotions that really leads to dumb decisions.

    You mean like the anger that even president Obama admits got him elected? Fascinating.

    TheRat:

    Hey, USAFdude, why the heck is nationalized healthcare such a horrible option that the nation should be go bankrupt but nationalized roads, water, sewers, the army, post office, schools are just A-OK?

    Roads are paid for with sales taxes on cars, taxes on fuel, vehicle registrations and tolls. Sewers are billed to the customer. The army is a necessity, otherwise there wouldn't be a country. The post office could pay for itself, but has management issues (Ever heard that about a government program before?). Schools are paid for through property taxes (I don't have kids, but I still have to pay for the public schools) and other means. Where would the trillions for PelosiCare come from, exactly?

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    WhiteHawk

    LFRAgain:

    Oh, please. Could you possibly sound like more like Hugo Chavez? How exactly have you been oppressed over the past 12 months?

    Does something have to happen to you, directly, in order to exist? How narcissistic.

    Forcing out a private-sector CEO would be enough for me, but there's also the forcing out of the inspector general who was investigating one of the president's friends. That doesn't sound like Hugo Chavez to you? Never mind, of course, that Obama promised during his presidential campaign that he would never do anything that smacked of cronyism or corruption such as, say, fire an inspector general.

    Oh, you mean like how the Founding Fathers drew up a blueprint for the establishment of the Department of Transportation to govern trillions of dollars in road construction spending?

    The Founding Fathers had cars?!? Who knew?

    Your inability to recognize the quote just demonstrates your selective memory on a variety of subjects,

    Meh, I just forgot. You want someone who claims to be perfect, find a liberal/Leftist/progressive/Democrat.

    There's nothing unconstitutional about it if a law is enacted according to the rules of the Constitution. If the House and Senate both okay a bill, the president signs it, and the judiciary doesn't object, then there's nothing unconstitutional about it one bit.

    Slavery was seen as constitutional at one time by the system you describe above, now it's not. Restrictions on the Second Amendment are still being argued. The Kelo decision is another example. Only through a skewed, agenda-driven mindset could it not be considered unconstitutional. But it passed.

    In the meantime, I certainly hope you aren’t taking advantage of any tax write-offs, deductions, or loopholes this April. It would pain me to see you impugn your integrity by accepting any sort of unearned entitlement like a tax break.

    Tax breaks aren't entitlements, that's MY money I get to keep, not someone else's money being given to me. Again, your re-interpretations are skewed towards your agenda. Now if you're one of those "tax the rich" liberals and then take advantage of every tax break and shelter you can find...

    If you genuinely believe that this is the only thing wrong with the healthcare system today, then you are seriously out of touch with reality.

    No, I also believe that tort reform is vital, and that some government meddling has only made things worse.

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    WhiteHawk

    lostrune2:

    It's interesting that in new Sen Brown's celebration speech, he said "this is a victory for independents." He could be a RINO. It is still Massachusetts after all. (Remember Bloomberg in NYC.)

    A good point, and one I considered myself. He might go all Souter on us once in office.

    One of the TV pundits pointed out that Obama never refers to Democrats as Democrats. At a speech, he'll say a welcome to the Republicans, and then a welcome to his "fellow progressives". He's certainly to the left of where the DNC stood prior to what I call the "Haight-Ashbury Takeover".

    Posted in: GOP's Brown wins Massachusetts Senate race in blow to Obama

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    WhiteHawk

    Junnama:

    More like "Just Hoping"...

    We'll see. The GOP establishment didn't capitalize on Palin's popularity (the only bump McCain's campaign ever got) and her record of successes in Alaska because she wasn't part of the inner circle, and one part of the GOP even nominated Scozzafava in New York. So there's a message being sent to them too. We'll have to wait to see if they get it.

    LFRAgain:

    Bush went on to win his second presidency, with more than half of the popular vote.

    And suddenly you forget Iraq. We were in a war (you do remember 9/11/01, right?) and the alternative was John Kerry. No wonder Bush won handily.

    I understand that unless it's convenient, it's just a "damned piece of paper" to you folks,

    Wow, projecting. Never thought I'd see that in a Leftist. /sarcasm

    As I said before, if government-provided healthcare was what the Founding Fathers intended, they would have instituted it from the outset.

    It is and has always been about those who have already secured their American dream making sure they don’t have to share even the smallest bit of that success with anyone else, hence this near-hysterical reaction to anything with even the slightest tint of "Socialism" to it -- despite the fact that the U.S. has thrived under widely institutionalized socialism for 7 decades.

    Sharing is done through charity. You know, the true sense of giving, done out of free will and generosity. Not the confiscation and ineffective redistribution done practically at gunpoint by a bureaucracy. It's little wonder you and other Leftists never understand that, since every study published shows that right-wingers give more to charities than Leftists.

    And we've thrived in spite of our institutionalized entitlement programs.

    Ah, there's the magic word: Entitlement. Which is what this legislation is, another entitlement program. One we don't have the money to pay for.

    Opposition all comes down to unbridled, unmitigated, entirely unabashed selfishness and greed.

    Greed? You want to lecture about greed? Greed is not opposition to unconstitutional confiscation. Greed is not earning something, but demanding it anyway. "Take his, and give it to me." That's greed.

    As I've mentioned before, I have my own health insurance. It's not provided by an employer, I bought it myself. It doesn't have a limit, just a deductible. So if I get in another motorcycle accident, it won't matter if the bills are US$50,000, US$100,000, or millions. I'm covered. And I've got this plan for less than US$100/month. I found it easily, on the internet, on a free website set up to list and compare health insurance plans. It wasn't a government website, I didn't have to visit a government office, and I didn't have to file any government paperwork (whew!). It was easy to find, easy to pick, good coverage, and affordable. Everything Leftist fear-mongers say private health insurance is not. So the entire premise that we're having any kind of crisis is a myth. The only thing that needs reform in the health insurance realm is cutting off the illegal aliens that visit emergency rooms for non-emergency attention and then skip out on the bill.

    Posted in: GOP's Brown wins Massachusetts Senate race in blow to Obama

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    WhiteHawk

    What will the repubs deliver now that they couldn't 18 months ago?

    Stronger candidates instead of more RINOs? Just guessing.

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    WhiteHawk

    He's was your hero when he was in office,

    To add to Molenir's response to LFRAgain's above... eh... analysis...

    The ever-myopic Leftists can't see beyond Iraq. There were several issues were conservatives (or right-wingers, if you prefer, since we were more progressive on the Middle East than the self-titled progressives) were at odds with Bush 43. And LFRAgain has provided another classic example of this shallow worldview. For me, it wasn't just the prescription drug plan (Rush Limbaugh opposed it too, or did you forget that?) and the domestic spending, it was also his support of amnesty for illegal aliens and his inability to go after Iran for its meddling in Iraq and nuclear weapons program. And it doesn't stop there. But since all the Left can see, hear, and talk about is Iraq, they refused to see the Right's criticism of Bush 43 when it happened.

    Unfortunately, the national primaries are held in "blue" states first, and most of those states have open primaries, where Democrats, who will be happy with whoever they get on their ticket, vote for the biggest RINO in the GOP primaries. So once the primaries get around to the "red" states, staunch conservatives like Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter are already out of the race, and RINO's like McCain and Giuliani are what's left. Fred didn't even hang around for Tennessee.

    This is in direct contrast to what we saw tonight. The unaffiliated voters outnumber Democrats and Republicans combined in this district of Massachusetts and tonight we saw them speak up, unfiltered. Clearly, LFRAgain (not to mention Pelosi) still can't hear the message. Scott Brown campaigned against Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the Democrat's health care takeover as much as he campaigned against Coakely. And the voters listened, and answered. Finally, now that Teddy Kennedy is finally out of the way, Massachusetts has representation.

    You would think the Left learned something from New Tork, where an unknown (and forgettable) independent candidate came out of nowhere to force uber-RINO Dede Scozzafava out of the race. But that's elitism for you.

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    WhiteHawk

    LFRAgain:

    For doing everything in its power to promote the general Welfare, in line with the Coonstitution of the United States?

    That's an interesting (and inaccurate) interpretation of "the general welfare". But that's the Left for you: If you don't like what the Constitution or the Bill of Rights says and you can't re-write it, just reinterpret it to fit your agenda. (See: Second Amendment)

    adaydream:

    Pride has nothing to do with it.

    Apparently, neither does shame. Nor the electoral process. Nor the concept of representation.

    Where it comes to health care reform, I believe it's the right thing to do.

    Even though it's unnecessary, unwanted, and unaffordable? Should I send you the bill for my increased premiums?

    And yes, unnecessary. Yabits was shocked in disbelief on another thread when I informed him that I had bought a very good policy from a major provider for less than US$100/month. He had bought into the Left's propaganda about private health care being unaffordable and unattainable, he refused to believe actual facts when confronted with them. As I suspect you will (again) as well.

    It's like when the republicans pushed through their prescription drug plan. Right or wrong, the republicans rammed it through.

    As I recall, it was either the Republican's plan or the Democrat's plan (and guess which cost more) that was going to pass. You can't compare that to Pelosi claiming they were going to pass this takeover whether the voters wanted it or not. Well, you have, but not legitimately.

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    WhiteHawk

    No Whitehawk, there are still 4 different strategies that can be used to get the bill through. I'm sure you've heard all 4 so I won't bore you.

    Are you proud of your party now?

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    WhiteHawk

    It would bring a lot of his opponents to their knees.

    And all will be forgiven? All of Obama's Chavez tendencies will be allowed? I don't think so.

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    WhiteHawk

    Well, now what happens? Sure we know Brown will vote against the health care bill if he gets the chance.

    You mean if senate Democrats aren't successful in delaying Brown from being sworn in?

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    WhiteHawk

    According to CNN:

    Precincts Reporting: 1,994 of 2,168 (92%)

    Scott Brown (R) – 1,062,322 (52.3%)

    Martha Coakley (D) – 949,660 (46.7%)

    Joe Kennedy (I) – 20,410 (1.0%)

    So it didn't go exactly as The Boston Globe predicted...

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    WhiteHawk

    Lesson for Coakley - diss the Red Sox in Boston and get pwned by voters.

    Yeah, not a good strategy there.

    With Teddy gone, I think Massachusetts voters realized they finally had a voice. But do Pelosi and company realize how unwanted their Chavez-like healthcare "reform" actually is? Apparently not.

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    WhiteHawk

    The election has been projected for Brown, according to both Fox and CNN.

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