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WhiteHawkJan. 18, 2011 - 04:07AM JST

Then, Whitehawk, why is it so easy for people in America to ILLEGALLY obtain a gun?...because the government doesn't restrict them with enough laws and the authorities don't enforce the regulations imposed to restrict their sale to such responsible owners only,

Here, again is what I posted:

Perhaps it's because history has shown that we can trust the judgment of legal gun owners.

Did you miss the part where I emphasized the word legal?

Once again: We have more than enough gun laws. We have less than enough enforcement.

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WhiteHawkJan. 17, 2011 - 02:56PM JST

virgo:

The NRA loves this as well as gun manufacturers and the military.

The NRA has only supported, endorsed or produced one video game. In it, the shooter shoots at paper targets on a simulated gun range. No silhouettes even, just round bullseye-style targets.

Many in America have never been to a third world country. Unfortunately, many parts of the USA resemble those I have been to.

I suspect those place are inner cities like Chicago and Washington D.C., where guns have been banned for decades.

The silence about gun restriction only pisses on the grave of the beautiful 9 year old girl who was killed in Arizona.

Effective laws to prevent this atrocity were already in place. They simply weren't enforced.

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WhiteHawkJan. 17, 2011 - 02:37PM JST

Madverts:

She used a map complete with gun-sights to identify her opponents. One of these oppenents taking a head-shot, whilst also being the nutter's mark for pete's sake.

So did DailyKos (bullseyes, in that case). Is Markos Moulitas justly implicated as well?

By all accounts, Loughner has hated and been obsessed with Giffords since 2007, before Palin was known outside of Alaska. How come you refuse to acknowledge either of those points?

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WhiteHawkJan. 17, 2011 - 02:36PM JST

Wolfpack:

I have always disliked the fact that the media is always trying to put a microphone in front of people that have just been traumatized by a crime or tragedy. It is the worst kind of journalism because it prey's on the raw emotions of victims in order to generate a type of story that will help some journalists career and get high ratings for their particular media outlet.

I agree completely. It has always been incredibly distasteful, and makes so many members of the media appear to be opportunistic, sociopathic vultures.

Perhaps it's just a coincidence that 93% of the media votes Democrat? Oops, I did it again... ;)

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WhiteHawkJan. 17, 2011 - 02:34PM JST

Stevecpfc, I haven't missed a single thing. The man who attacked me used a nylon strap, not a gun. He snuck up behind me and put it around my neck, lifting me off my feet. I couldn't afford to wait to see if he was going to kill me or not before I passed out from the lack of oxygen. I dropped both bags of groceries and took the appropriate action.

Stop thinking about guns, criminals, violence and self-defense with such narrow view. Criminals - especially violent ones - will use any tool, any technique, they can. If you think I'm a "loser" for defending myself, then you have a self-defeating mindset.

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WhiteHawkJan. 17, 2011 - 02:28PM JST

yabits:

Nor is the Tea Party sponsoring a serious debate on gun laws.

Why should they? The appropriate laws (both gun-related and otherwise) were already in place to prevent such an atrocity. For the hundreth time in this debate, I'm reminding you that they were not enforced.

More unintended humor no doubt. I do understand the need by the right to scapegoat one sheriff.

However, a system that enables a deranged fellow like Loughner to acquire the kind of weapon and ammunition he did has got far more wrong with it than a single sheriff.

That's a pathetically desperate attempt to make excuses for one of your fellow Democrats.

We have laws on the books to prevent just such an atrocity and it's increasingly apparent that they weren't enforced. Neither you nor anyone else has suggested a reasonable, practical, or even possible solution.

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WhiteHawkJan. 17, 2011 - 02:26PM JST

KakiOko:

Guns and their accessories, on a daily basis being modified and improved, have only purpose....to be able to kill human beings more effectively, in greater numbers, and allowing one to efficiently reload to do so again. It then relies on the individuals judgement as to whether the gun should be used in a such a fashion.

Perhaps it's because history has shown that we can trust the judgment of legal gun owners.

The fact that criminals and practically anyone in America can so freely gain access to a gun just shows me that America doesn't realise or accept this or they would have better regulations which they actually enforce rather than just pay lip-service to.

I doubt it's as easy to get guns illegally as is so commonly portrayed in TV shows and movies. And we do have very good regulations in every state. Enforcement is the problem in some states.

Ever heard of Timothy McVeigh?

Yes. He hated politicians from both sides of America's political aisle with equal disdain.

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WhiteHawkJan. 17, 2011 - 02:22PM JST

donkusai:

If he owns guns, I hope they take them off him even if the psych test doesn't show a problem (he did make a threat to kill someone). If they'd done the same to the guy who killed the original 6 after he was kicked out of college with "issues", then perhaps all this could have been avoided. The last thing we want is mentally unstable people with guns.

arrestpaul:

FINALLY, the Sheriff's deputies take a deranged individual into custody for threatening society. Why didn't the Sheriff allow his deputies to take Jared Loughner into custody BEFORE he started shooting?

The system seems to work if only the Sheriff had done his job.

THANK YOU! That's what I've been saying all along!

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WhiteHawkJan. 17, 2011 - 02:19PM JST

stevecpfc, I'm alive today because I was armed when a mugger attacked me. Do you not recognize the deaths inflicted by criminals, including unarmed ones?

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WhiteHawkJan. 17, 2011 - 01:56PM JST

To put it accurately: First, I don't consider myself a "leftist." My politics are of the liberal/democratic tradition. I understand the great need by those on the far right wing to portray all liberal Democrats as "leftists." It's simply part of a general pattern of misinformation.

Of course you don't consider yourself a Leftist. Who does? Please remind me of the times when you've posted anything remotely centrist, or even right-of-center. And how far back does your "liberal/democratic tradition" run? Back to JFK? Or just Carter?

Not all liberal Democrats are Leftists. Giffords is an example of that. But the far Left is running the Democrat party these days. Dean, Pelosi, Obama... Reid is the only national Democrat leader who can come close to claiming the "moderate" or "traditional" Democrat label.

Violence can be incited, especially in those already prone to violence.

As the Left has a history of proving. I'm still waiting for your examples of Tea Party violence.

In all the democratic rallies I have ever attended, I have never seen nor witnessed even the suggestion that a political opponent be hanged in effigy.

So if it doesn't happen in front of your very eyes, it has never happened. Perhaps you should open your eyes then. I just did a Bing search for "Bush burned in effigy" and got 106,000 results. That doesn't mean it happened 106,000 times in eight years, but it does mean that it happened and has been covered.

You should visit Zombietime. Lots of coverage on there about Leftist, liberal-Democrat and DNC events in San Francisco on there. They all have an uncanny similarity...

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WhiteHawkJan. 17, 2011 - 01:52PM JST

I do not know the facts of this case, but I certainly can't accept the views of someone whose credibility is so low...

"I don't know the facts, but I know you're wrong." Great attitude. How could you not know about this? It was in the news... oh wait, it probably wasn't covered by your favorite pathologically-biased news sources.

Two members of the New Black Panthers stood outside a polling place in Philadelphia in during the 2008 election, one of them brandishing a "billy club", and intimidated voters. Which is illegal. Do you seriously believe that they were there to intimidate voters into voting for McCain/Palin? Or to intimidate voters into voting their conscience? Seriously?

This case I am familiar with. On the video of the incident, Gladney is shown standing up and talking without a scratch on him.

Do you have a link for that video? Because the one I saw was too dark to make anything out. Or it could have been my monitor. In any case, I was in an accident once where I didn't have a scratch on me - except for a broken leg. I was standing up and talking afterwards too, but I still had to go to the hospital and get treated for my broken leg. Gladney had to be treated at a hospital too, didn't he?

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WhiteHawkJan. 17, 2011 - 01:48PM JST

You can't be seriously suggesting that these people still maintain the values and goals of the Weather Underground.

You have proof they don't? For example, I'm still waiting for Ayers to renounce his ways.

The Tea Party is FAR more in the meanstream of right-wing, conservative politics than the Weather Underground, Black Panthers, or SLA was ever tied to liberal Democratic politics -- by an exponential magnitude. It's rather pathetic that people have to be so dishonest as to try to portray that otherwise.

So? What is the Tea Party's history of violence? Did a Tea Party activist bite the finger off of someone he was arguing with? No, just the opposite. Besides, who are members of the Weather Underground, Black Panthers, New Black Panthers, Earth Liberation Front, SEIU, Symbionese Liberation Army, et.c, going to vote for ? Republicans? Tea Party candidates? No, it would be the same party and the same people mainstream Democrats vote for. Why? Because their priorities and goals align almost perfectly. How on earth you can deny the blatantly obvious is... I can't even say it here.

It's amusing how you're trying to set different standards of evidence for your side of the political aisle and mine. I suspect that for you, only an official order on official White House stationary signed by Obama in his own DNA-matching blood will be sufficient evidence for you of the connection between left-wing Democrats and left-wing belligerents. But you already consider the Tea Party to be violent, even though there hasn't been a single incidence of violence. Jonah Goldberg recently wrote in his column (Where the media leads, we don't follow) about just such a mindset.

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WhiteHawkJan. 17, 2011 - 01:01PM JST

I will post my response there.

I'm looking forward to it.

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WhiteHawkJan. 17, 2011 - 01:00PM JST

Unlise you believe the crap you see on American TV.

Thank-whoever you subscribe to that this murderous nutter didn't get his hands on a AK or an Uzi, neither of which would be difficult to procure in the US.

Oh, the irony! ;) Do you believe every anti-gun myth you read on the internet?

At least the crank that opened fire in Fort Hood was surrounded by people that were not only heavily armed, but trained in deadly force.

Hasan held his shooting spree in the Soldier Readiness Center (a medical facility). Soldiers were unarmed, as weapons are not allowed in that area. That's why he was shot by an Army civilian police officer and a civilian police officer from nearby Killeen Texas. Hasan was surrounded by unarmed soldiers, some of whom died trying to take him down while they themselves were unarmed. That's why he was able to kill 13 people and wound another 30.

If I were a Leftist, this would be where would I claim that any credibility you once had has now evaporated, and I can self-justify ignoring everything else you've ever posted. Which is what another Leftist claimed of me on the very first thread about this tragic shooting incident. The difference is, that person didn't agree with what I posted and offered no facts to back their opinion up.

It's certainly not the first time that's happened to me here on JT. Even some of my regular debate opponents have tried that tactic. I just wanted to point that out, in case y'all start feeling superior about yourselves again.

So I'm not going to cherry-pick one thing you've posted and try to completely discredit everything you've ever written, Madverts. But I would prefer that you do some research before posting on documented events.

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WhiteHawkJan. 16, 2011 - 01:57PM JST

I call hanging Palin in effigy was a lot worse.

Don't forget all the times that Bush was hanged or burned in effigy at left-wing protests. I wonder if yabits will counter that by bringing up the posters of Obama as Hitler. Of course, it was okay when the Left gave Bush the same treatment... ;)

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WhiteHawkJan. 16, 2011 - 04:42AM JST

There has to be a much greater firewall that stands between the mentally and violently crazy getting guns than the local sheriff.

Like what, exactly?

The fact that some far right-wingers would absolve the NRA from any complicity shows how far they have strayed from rational thinking ability.

Exactly what did the NRA do to put a gun in Loughner's hands? No more of your vague "promoting a gun culture" nonsense, tell me exactly how the NRA is complicit in this.

The NRA, in fact, supported the legislation which keeps people who have violent records and restraining orders against them from buying guns. Why can't you recognize that?

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WhiteHawkJan. 16, 2011 - 04:35AM JST

Yeah that's why you guys have no credibility. From day one you guys were openely actually hoping for Obama to fail. Pure partisan foolishness never really seen before.

Not since Nixon, anyway. Or Reagan. Or Bush 43. And unfortunately, Obama has succeeded in getting some of his policies passed, which has (as predicted by the right) only made things worse for the country.

Like it or not he was elected by a majority of Americans, and should be allowed to carry out at least the four year mandate he's already got with out the childish wailing from the disgruntled extreme right.

Mandate? How come every time a Democrat is elected, he has a "mandate"? Even Clinton, although he never got more than 46% of the vote, was considered to have a "mandate".

In any case, you do realize that we had elections in the house and senate this past November, right? You did see the American people reject Obama's "mandate" and over turn the house and remove the Democrats' super-majority in the senate in order to stop Obama's "mandate", right?

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WhiteHawkJan. 16, 2011 - 04:29AM JST

Which you can't provide since they're mainly in your imagination.

There is not a shred of evidence that liberals and liberal Democrats have done worse.

He has provided examples, as have others. But you nuance and parse your comrades to innocence, then parse and nuance the right into guilt. It's second nature to you, like a defensive coping mechanism.

There is nothing remotely comparable coming from rallies of Democrats and liberals.

You're quite right. Republicans don't riot at G20 meetings. I don't remember any Republicans being arrested for conspiring to bomb a Democrat convention (2008).

But then you probably don't consider Democrat Congressman Paul Kanjorski saying Florida Governor Rick Scott should be shot as violent rhetoric. “Put him against the wall and shoot him.”

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WhiteHawkJan. 16, 2011 - 04:28AM JST

Anyone who lives in a world where the Symbionese Liberation Army is somehow tied to Democratic politics would understandably fail to see any of this.

Well, you and several other Leftists are trying to tie Lougner's actions to Palin and the Tea Party. The difference is, the SLA (and the WU, NBP, ELF, SEIU) and the DNC are on the same side of the political spectrum. The NBP, ELF and SEIU specifically work (violently, I might add) to further DNC policies and goals. Who does that on the right?

In the eyes of the American justice system, Ayers is a free citizen.

So is O.J. Simpson. The difference, Ayers admits his guilt.

That is yet another example of the polarizing rhetoric used by Palin and others that is so hurting the United States.

President Obama referred to Republicans as the enemy. That's not polarizing?

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WhiteHawkJan. 16, 2011 - 04:27AM JST

Thank you for the laugh. What do any of those groups have to do with liberal Democratic politics?

Quite a bit. You did see the part where six members of the Weather Underground worked on an Obama campaign group, right? And where the New Black Panthers got a pass for voter intimidation by a Democrat AG even thought they were caught on videotape, right? And you did see where Obama-supporting SEIU members beat up Kenneth Gladney, a black conservative at a town hall meeting, right? You've not blocking these facts from entering your conscious awareness, are you?

And ordinary, civil discourse becomes somehow utopian and unreachable in HER mind, and the recourse to violence quite natural and understandable, based on historical precedent.

And in YOUR mind, we either have civil discourse or violence, and there's nothing in between. Wow. You need to stop seeing everything in black and white, and open your mind to shades of gray. Or maybe you need to read some of the uncivil posting on the Democratic Underground site.

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