Wednesday February 15, 2012

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    WhiteHawk

    skipthesong, you read the whole thing? Wow, I don't think anyone's done that before!

    Posted in: McCain picks Alaska Gov Sarah Palin for running mate

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    SezWho2:

    I'm not sure what you mean by this being the first time we could have a female VP. 24 years ago Mondale's choice was Geraldine Ferraro.

    I remember an old SNL skit with one of the actors portraying Mondale in a Bob Newhart-type role, running the desk at an inn or lodge. "Mondale" was telling visitors that he once ran for president, and they were laughing at him, "Sure, sure you did!" This was about 6 months after Mondale lost 49 states to Reagan, and it was indicitive of how quickly people had forgotten him.

    And we didn't even get a funny picture of him driving a tank or wearing a bunny suit to remember him by...

    smithinjapan:

    McCain will be dropping her before the campaign is through. Of course, it'll really be under the guise of her 'dropping out' of the bid to be the first female VP.... hehehe.

    Funny you should mention that. A local talk-radio pundit, Phil Valentine, has suggested that Biden will put his foot in his mouth (a common affliction for him) before November and Obama will have to drop him and pick up Hillary. It's just a theory too, but unlike yours, it has a plausible cause.

    DanManjt:

    Sarah Palin's wikipedia page was changed yesterday morning before the announcement that she would be McCain's running mate..... her less "presidenty" moments on the page (like being in a beauty pageant) were diminished, and glowing quotes were added (she's a politician with "eye-popping integrity.") Her page was changed by someone who knew lots about her family (they go moose-hunting at three a.m.) and their account name was YoungTrig.....which happens to be her son's name.

    You mean somebody who actually knows Palin contributed to her Wikipedia page? If you asked John Seigenthaler, I bet he would say that's a big improvement for Wiki.

    bebert:

    What the choice of Palin possibly does do is pull in independent female voters and return conservatives -who hate McCain- back into the party.

    In one sentence, you just obliterated all the baseless, superficial talking points of the USAFdudes, McC72s and DanManjts of the board. As I said on another thread, Obama had to pick someone like Biden to compensate for his lack of experience, while McCain had to pick a conservative to compensate for his relatively low ACU rating (from all that "working across the aisle" non-partisan unity stuff in the Senate).

    DanManjt:

    "Family values" Palin has a three month old baby with Down's Syndrom. That;s really gonna please Dobson.

    I saw Dobson on Fox earlier tonight, and you're right, it does please him. Or did you mean it like a bad thing?

    skipthesong:

    But, what was nasty from the Obama's: "she gave birth to a boy named Trig who was born in April and has Down Syndrome. The parents were aware of the diagnosis when Palin was four months pregnant, but they decided to have the child anyway." So, was she supposed to abort him? Kind of Nazi like on their part. That was one disgusting statement. Anyone not thinking so is a Nazi in my book! What happened to pro-choice dems??????

    I thought it was a poor comment to make too. But indicitive of the abort-at-any-sign-of-inconvenience crowd. The old NOW group resurrected themselves from obscurity today by accusing Palin of not supporting women's rights. Not that women have to sit in the back of the bus or can't vote or anything like that (Although in most places, they do have separate bathrooms. But I'm told they actually prefer that.), but soley because Palin doesn't abort her children. Palin is pro-2nd-Amendment, which I think is very pro-women's-rights, but these days NOW only has one issue left, and they're clinging to it bitterly.

    Moderator: Please do not refer to Obama by his middle name.

    Why not? What's next? We can't criticize his wife? Can't mention his connections to William Ayers? We can use Hillary, but not Barry or Hussein? It's not like they said "Barry bin Osama", or "McSame". It's his actual name, big deal.

    smithinjapan:

    This nomination isn't going to 'shatter the glass ceiling', as Palin states, so much as it's going to shatter any less vestigal hope of McCain winning; as well as further fracturing the party you comedically claim is united.

    Not surprisingly, I'm seeing the exact opposite of your wishful thinking. Every right-wing conservative I've heard from, whether on the radio, TV or in person, is exited about Palin and saying they won't have to hold their nose to vote for McCain now. Well, except for Michael Savage, and he's never happy with anybody or anything.

    Suzu1:

    Palin has more executive experience than Obama, plus she speaks better without a teleprompter than he does.

    Well, when you have a set of values and beliefs that are genuinely yours and not scripted for you by focus groups, you don't need a teleprompter.

    And while loyal leftists will try to belittle her experience, just the fact that she was mayor of any town - even one with a population under 10,000 - means that she has more executive experience than Obama. Add in those two years as governor, then compound that by noting how she has done more with that two years than Obama has done with his 3 years in the senate. Obama squandered his time as Senator, just as he did with time in the state legislature. Unless you count skipping votes, voting "present", trying to increase federal spending by almost a billion dollars with earmarks and campaigning for another office as accomplishments...

    Neither Biden or Obama is comfortable with strong women.

    I think it depends on the context. Obama's wife is very strong, and he's obviously comfortable with her. But he didn't do well against Hillary in the debates, but that just might be my opinion.

    jwills79:

    You have nothing better than stupid one liners. Come with some real substances.

    Here I am, to your rescue.

    Only the die hard nutjobs won't think that his pandering to women. I honestly think that it will be more insulting to the majority of the women than empowering.

    Really? Why do you think that? Any substantive reason?

    Second, for firing a governmental employ because he refused to fire her former brother-in-law who is a State Trooper. Right now, the State Trooper is a custody battle with one of her kinfolk. Who do think that would have benefitted? Yes, you posted about this on an Obama thread. I responded there, but apparently you didn't return to that thread, so here it is again:

    Since you're an open-minded progressive, you'll probably want to know the rest of the story: On July 11, 2008, Palin dismissed Walter Monegan as Commissioner of Public Safety and instead offered him a position as executive director of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, which he subsequently turned down. Monegan alleged shortly after his dismissal that it may have been partly due to his reluctance to fire an Alaska State Trooper, Mike Wooten, who had been involved in a divorce and child custody battle with Palin's sister, Molly McCann. In 2006, before Palin was governor, Wooten was briefly suspended for ten days for threatening to kill McCann's (and Palin's) father, tasering his 11-year-old stepson (at the stepson's request), and violating game laws. After a union protest, the suspension was reduced to five days. Palin asserted that her dismissal of Monegan was unrelated to the fact that he had not fired Wooten, and asserts that Monegan was instead dismissed for not adequately filling state trooper vacancies, and because he "did not turn out to be a team player on budgeting issues." Palin acknowledged that a member of her administration, Frank Bailey, did contact the Department of Public Safety regarding Wooten, but both Palin and Bailey say that happened without her knowledge and was unrelated to her dismissal of Monegan. Bailey was put on leave for two months for acting outside the scope of his authority as the Director of Boards and Commissions. Commissioner Monegan received no severance pay, though at the same time another dismissed Commissioner, Charles Kopp (who served only 11 days) received $10,000. In response to Palin's statement that she had nothing to hide, in August 2008 the Alaska Legislature hired Steve Branchflower to investigate Palin and her staff for possible abuse of power surrounding the dismissal, though lawmakers acknowledge that "Monegan and other commissioners serve at will, meaning they can be fired by Palin at any time." The investigation is being overseen by Democratic State Senator Hollis French, who says that the Palin administration has been cooperating and thus subpoenas are unnecessary. The Palin administration itself was the first to release an audiotape of Bailey making inquiries about the status of the Wooten investigation. From the young American liberal's favorite source, Wikipedia.

    Alphaape at 11:37 AM JST - 30th August

    Wow, the picture you painted of Hilary's night was hilarious! Great stuff!

    A couple of points I'd like to add:

    Some posters are suggesting that Obama would have to lose this election in order for Hillary to run in 2012. Not so. I'm convinced she will run anyway. Besides, incumbent parties have primaries too.

    Palin comes across as a right-wing populist. That's a big seller, and I think she'll add new life to the campaign. She's also known for being a straight-talker, so she'll likely work well with McCain. She's also big on balancing budgets by cutting unnecessary spending, which also fits with McCain. Modern American liberals (leftists) have a party that is stuffed to overflowing with lawyers talking in circles, and that will be an obstacle to overcome in their attempts to pick up more votes.

    Posted in: McCain picks Alaska Gov Sarah Palin for running mate

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    WhiteHawk

    jwills79:

    Quote: She has recently come under the scrutiny of an investigation by the Republican-controlled legislature into the possibility that she ordered the dismissal of Alaska's public safety commissioner because he would not fire her former brother-in-law as a state trooper.

    Since you're an open-minded progressive, you'll probably want to know the rest of the story:

    On July 11, 2008, Palin dismissed Walter Monegan as Commissioner of Public Safety and instead offered him a position as executive director of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, which he subsequently turned down. Monegan alleged shortly after his dismissal that it may have been partly due to his reluctance to fire an Alaska State Trooper, Mike Wooten, who had been involved in a divorce and child custody battle with Palin's sister, Molly McCann. In 2006, before Palin was governor, Wooten was briefly suspended for ten days for threatening to kill McCann's (and Palin's) father, tasering his 11-year-old stepson (at the stepson's request), and violating game laws. After a union protest, the suspension was reduced to five days.

    Palin asserted that her dismissal of Monegan was unrelated to the fact that he had not fired Wooten, and asserts that Monegan was instead dismissed for not adequately filling state trooper vacancies, and because he "did not turn out to be a team player on budgeting issues." Palin acknowledged that a member of her administration, Frank Bailey, did contact the Department of Public Safety regarding Wooten, but both Palin and Bailey say that happened without her knowledge and was unrelated to her dismissal of Monegan. Bailey was put on leave for two months for acting outside the scope of his authority as the Director of Boards and Commissions. Commissioner Monegan received no severance pay, though at the same time another dismissed Commissioner, Charles Kopp (who served only 11 days) received $10,000.

    In response to Palin's statement that she had nothing to hide, in August 2008 the Alaska Legislature hired Steve Branchflower to investigate Palin and her staff for possible abuse of power surrounding the dismissal, though lawmakers acknowledge that "Monegan and other commissioners serve at will, meaning they can be fired by Palin at any time." The investigation is being overseen by Democratic State Senator Hollis French, who says that the Palin administration has been cooperating and thus subpoenas are unnecessary. The Palin administration itself was the first to release an audiotape of Bailey making inquiries about the status of the Wooten investigation.

    From the young American liberal's favorite source, Wikipedia.

    Posted in: Obama tells crowd of 84,000 that he'll fix Washington

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    WhiteHawk

    It's not just Fox News. Obama won't bother with visiting the troops either. You're not suggesting they're a bunch of pansies too, are you?

    Say, when is that courageous Obama going to face a direct, critical question? Even better, when will he give a direct, substantive response? He's been campaigning for a couple years now, I'm still waiting. Maybe that's "above his pay grade"?

    Go ahead, spin the truth out of that. I know you want to.

    Posted in: Obama tells crowd of 84,000 that he'll fix Washington

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    WhiteHawk

    zurcronium, I guess that's why Obama's events have been so carefully scripted, eh?

    Posted in: Obama tells crowd of 84,000 that he'll fix Washington

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    WhiteHawk

    Something else I noticed about Obama's speech last night: He kept saying "if McCain wants to debate" this and that, yet Obama has been declining McCain's invitations for months. What happened to "anytime, anywhere" Barack? What's that? You meant Ahmedinejad, not McCain?

    Maybe now that Obama made it through the convention without a Clinton coup, he'll have the courage to appear on Fox News.

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    WhiteHawk

    JoiceRojo:

    But my guess it is the same that happened to those that accused McCain of practically being "on vacation" in the last years of his pow imprisonment, or the rumors of the Bushes being close to the bin laden family.

    The difference is that nobody was actively trying to intimidate or silence those who accused McCain of having an easy time as a POW, or the Bush family's ties to the bin Laden family. People were free to look into these allegations, they just found no substance.

    There's also a pro-Obama group ironically called "Accountable America", that is using fear tactics and outright lies in an attempt to intimidate would-be Republican donors:

    Whoops, the link won't paste, as it has an "and" symbol in it. Oh well, you can find the link in one of my posts in a thread titled "McCraziness/Obamania>>> 2008!" on the forum side of JT.

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    WhiteHawk

    goodDonkey, a minor slip on my part, and I'm amazed (disturbed) that you've made the effort to keep track of such trivia.

    Care to address the substance of my posts with the same attention to detail?

    Posted in: Pawlenty favored as McCain's running mate

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    JoiceRojo:

    but also the smart ones would notice that the incentive comes that you, as an entrepreneur will boost your business without worrying in paying large taxes as your business grow up.

    Except that as your business grows, it would also grow out of the exemption.

    Also, if you have a start-up or small business, usually as a citizen your income would be "middle class" whose? taxes will be already cut. ("I will cut taxes for 95 percent of all working families" part...)

    Another smoke-and-mirrors tactic, and not a new one for democrats. First, Obama has to be firm and consistent with who qualilfies as "middle class", and he has yet to do that. Second, it's no secret that 50% of Americans do not pay federal income taxes, and that the tax burden on the rest gets disproportionally higher the further up the income scale you go (I think it's something like the top 1 or 5% makes 25% of the money but pays 68% of the tax bruden, but I would have to revisit the IRS website again to be specific). Democrats have long used the tactic of "We'll make the other guy pay your way" to lure voters. But increasing the burden on the owners of America's industry only adds to the cost of doing business (the increase in taxes gets passed on to the consumer), drives business overseas, and feeds offshore tax shelters, such as Teddy "soak the rich" Kennedy's.

    Obama isn't promising anything new or successful. He's just feeding on the wealth envy and entitlement complexes that are part of the base of the modern American liberal (Marxist) party.

    Don't worry about your English, I had no idea you weren't a native speaker. Thanks for putting such effort into your posts and thoughts.

    Now, care to address the post I made about Obama's campaign trying to intimidate/silence those who bring his connections with terrorist William Ayers to light?

    If fact, I've yet to see anybody touch that one.

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    WhiteHawk

    cracaphat:

    You have to be too far in denial or an open redneck to be in McCain's pocket.

    Wow, that's deep. Which orifice did you pull that political observance out of?

    Who wants a third Bush term ?

    Who wants a second Carter term? Or a first McGovern term?

    Dick Morris has a few points for you "third Bush term" chanters to absorb:

    • McCain fought for campaign finance reform — McCain-Feingold — that Bush resisted and ultimately signed because he had no choice.
    • McCain led the battle to restrict interrogation techniques of terror suspects and to ban torture.
    • McCain went with Joe Lieberman on a tough measure to curb climate change, something Bush denies is going on.
    • McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts when they passed.
    • McCain urged the Iraq surge, a posture Bush rejected for years before conceding its wisdom.
    • McCain favors FDA regulation of tobacco and sponsored legislation to that effect, a position all but a handful of Republican senators oppose.
    • McCain's energy bill, also with Lieberman, is a virtual blueprint for energy independence and development of alternate sources.
    • After the Enron scandal, McCain introduced sweeping reforms in corporate governance and legislation to guarantee pensions and prohibit golden parachutes for executives. Bush opposed McCain's changes and the watered-down Sarbanes-Oxley bill eventuated.
    • McCain has been harshly critical of congressional overspending, particularly of budgetary earmarks, a position Bush only lately adopted (after the Democrats took over Congress).

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    WhiteHawk

    JoiceRojo:

    For me to be dumb is to vote for a guy that will continue the war depressing even more the local economy.

    Since you haven't noticed, the war in Iraq is wrapping up. Troops levels are below the pre-surge count and have been for some time. We have an agreement to have battle troops out by 2011. The only basis for your claim about McCain is likely his "100 year" comment, which was taken wildly out of context.

    As for Obama's promises, they are idealistic, but they are good, if you are smart you should understand how you have to work for reaching those objectives.

    There's a difference between good and "feel-good". Obama's promises are the latter. And they're unnecessary.

    PS: I notice you have no counter for my exposure of Obama's smoke-and-mirrors tax promise. Are you too "smart" to counter?

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    WhiteHawk

    Actually, Palin is a compensator for McCain. Just as Obama had to pick someone with experience and knowledge, McCain had to pick a conservative.

    Posted in: Pawlenty favored as McCain's running mate

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    WhiteHawk

    For those trapped in identity politics coughdemocratscough, McCain just gave the unhappy-about-Obama Hillary supporters something to think about.

    Posted in: Pawlenty favored as McCain's running mate

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    WhiteHawk

    It's official: Palin.

    (YES! He picked a conservative! WOOHOO!)

    Posted in: Pawlenty favored as McCain's running mate

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    WhiteHawk

    Everton2:

    These Republicans believe that being old somehow gives one the credentials to be president. The notion about being inexperience was used against JFK and Clinton and they both won th presidency.

    And they were both less-than-stellar presidents. Carter had experience and intelligence (supposedly highest IQ of any president at that time), and look how bad he was. Maybe it's the policies...?

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    WhiteHawk

    usaexpat:

    I'm still curious what his latest definition of middle class is.

    According to his speech last night, Obama accused McCain of considering people making under $5,000,000/year to be middle class. Can't wait to see his proof of that! But you're right, Obama has yet to offer his own firm definition.

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    Sarge:

    Yet he's even in the polls with McCain.

    Did Obama get a bump in the polls after his speech last night? Historically speaking (at least since the invention of television), candidates get a bump in the polls during their convention week. Obama made history by not doing that (as of Wednesday). In fact in a couple of polls, McCain actually got a boost. And speculation over his VP pick crowded some of Obama's convention coverage out of the news.

    My theory is that Obama has already convinced all the people he can to vote for him. Unless McCain or his VP pick make a serious faux pas, Obama won't gain any more votes. McCain still has to pick up some votes from the hard right, however.

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    WhiteHawk

    cracaphat:

    McCain is no Reagan

    I'll certainly agree with you there.

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    WhiteHawk

    smithinjapan:

    As I challenged you yesterday, but you hadn't the guts to reply to and chose to simply 'forget', do you mean Obama as opposed to McCain? Please tell me where Obama has no substance but McCain supposedly does! That'll be a joke and a half.

    Yes, I did forget about you. My apologies; please do not take it personally. As you saw by my main post yesterday, I addressed many posters' points. Again, I apologize for letting you slip through the cracks.

    So, would you like to point out Obama's substance?

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    WhiteHawk

    Speaking of not being smart enough to vote for Obama, last night he promised to eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses and start-ups.

    But small businesses and start-ups rarely, if ever, pay capital gains taxes. What they do pay is income taxes. Obama's proposed tax plan will raise the income tax rate paid by such entrepreneurs. Obama's promise to eliminate capital gains taxes on this part of the private sector is nothing more than smoke-and-mirrors.

    So to recap, if you're smart enough, you'll somehow take Obama at his word and not question his promises. If you're not smart enough, you'll see why you shouldn't believe him or vote for him. Is that what you meant, JoiceRojo?

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