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  WhiteHawkJan. 16, 2011 - 03:48AM JST

  Zenny11:

  If all it takes is 1 shot to take an intruder down than there is NO need to reload.

  The most popular handgun round is the 9mm. Loughner used a 9mm. Military troops under the NATO umbrella use the 9mm. The American military uses the 9mm.

  Pope John Paul II was shot five times with 9mm rounds in the attempt on his life in 1981. One round doesn't always work. And then there's the issue of missing the target in all the excitement, which does happen from time to time. Still, even I don't see the need for a 30-round magazine outside of the military.

  Plus, hearing a shotgun being cocked can work well as a deterrent.

  If you have to load a cartridge, you're not prepared.

  Posted in: Silence greets calls for changes in U.S. gun laws

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  WhiteHawkJan. 16, 2011 - 03:36AM JST

  elbudamexicano:

  Some scumbag drug dealer comes in needing a gun for a quick job, sure they have those guns too, OK?

  The NRA does not support that.

  Posted in: Silence greets calls for changes in U.S. gun laws

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  WhiteHawkJan. 16, 2011 - 03:33AM JST

  The ones who are most complicit in this tragedy are the ones who make it possible for the Loughners in our society to obtain the means to mete out deadly force on the scale he did.

  Wow, you're almost agreeing with me. Except you think the NRA is complicit, and I say it's the sheriff who didn't do his job properly.

  Posted in: Thousands gather for Arizona girl's funeral

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  WhiteHawkJan. 16, 2011 - 03:29AM JST

  So Steele is to become the leader of the Tea Party now

  Where did you get that?

  Posted in: Republicans oust Steele, pick Priebus to head party

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  WhiteHawkJan. 15, 2011 - 04:38AM JST

  (Yes, that's right: hardcore supporters of Palin are making those tweets and posts in order to give their side a leg to stand on. Remaining completely anonymous, they have everything to gain politically, and absolutely nothing to lose.)

  Ah, the old Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. I'm pretty sure the FBI can find out who posts tweets and such.

  The far right wants things both ways: to malign the left as a bunch of non-violent, gun-hating, weak, peacenik, Kumbaya-singing tree-huggers AND, when it suits their purposes, to portray them as more prone to violence than the the far right is.

  I've never portrayed the Left as non-violent. Weak on national security and defense, yes. But non-violent? What with the Weather Underground, the Black Panthers, the New Black Panthers, the Earth Liberation Front, the Symbionese Liberation Army, and the SIEU, just to name a few, I don't see where the Left can be accused of being non-violent.

  And I don't understand why some of the people who have defended Palin's remarks appear to support her stand that violence could be a justifiable response to such rhetoric.

  Where did she say "violence could be a justifiable response to such rhetoric"? Exactly when did she take that stand?

  But we've experienced the co-leader carrying the Republican Party banner levelling the charge that her opponent "pals around with terrorists," prompting her supporters in the crowd to yell out "Kill him!" in a kind of lynch-mob frenzy.

  William Ayers indeed was a terrorist. "Guilty as heel, free as a bird. What a country." Remember that? When asked if he regretted setting bombs and killing people, he said "I feel we didn't do enough." Remember that? Not only did Ayers support Obama from the beginning, six Weather Underground members worked for an Obama campaign group. And at no time has Obama renounced Ayers or disowned him. He did that to Jeremiah Wright when he became inconvenient, but not Ayers.

  Posted in: Obama, at Arizona memorial service, says polarized nation needs healing

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  WhiteHawkJan. 15, 2011 - 04:19AM JST

  Is anybody calling to simply enforce the laws that they have already?

  Me. Am I alone on this?

  Posted in: Silence greets calls for changes in U.S. gun laws

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  WhiteHawkJan. 15, 2011 - 04:16AM JST

  No comments here from the NRA types.

  I've been commenting on this event all along. Did you not see my comments that Loughner wouldn't have been able to legally buy a gun had the sheriff not talked his previous stalking victims out of pressing charges? All it takes is one restraining order or one instance of being arrested for threatening violence and that person cannot legally buy a gun.

  And you know what? The NRA has no problem with that. The laws were already in place. They just weren't enforced. Ironically, this time it was laws about threatening violence that weren't enforced.

  Posted in: Thousands gather for Arizona girl's funeral

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  WhiteHawkJan. 14, 2011 - 02:40PM JST

  Madverts, just because you hate Limbaugh does not mean he incites hate. Unless you want to admit that when you express criticism of a right-wing politician or their policies, that you are trying to incite hatred of them. You can't have it both ways.

  I never said Limbaugh is my hero. But he certainly doesn't deserve to be blamed for a shooting committed by someone who never listened to him.

  Posted in: Ariz investigators say there were warning signs on day of shooting

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  WhiteHawkJan. 14, 2011 - 02:35PM JST

  Also, we have another Republican Congressman's staff-member saying, a matter of a few months ago, "If ballots don't work, bullets will." Again, very prophetic.

  Staff member. Wow.

  That has nothing to do with President Obama. None of his people ordered that.

  I guess none of his people bused in the folks from Chicanos Unidos Arizona either. Sure. Nor did any of his people put a stop to it.

  Let me get this straight: Palin is actually claiming that "pundits and journalists" are trying to incite violence? How is it that the words of those who do not support the far right wing can somehow incite violence, while out of the other sides of their collective mouths completely deny that none of the far right wing's rhetoric could not have done the same?

  There is no evidence whatsoever that the lunatic shooter paid any attention to Palin. In fact, according to people who actually knew him, he didn't even watch the news. And "those who do not support the far right wing" most certainly can incite violence, and have been doing so since the beginning of politics. It has been very well documented since the 30's especially.

  like the one who specifically mentioned "second amendment remedies"

  Mentioned, yes. Supported, no. In fact, she specifically said that she didn't want that to happen

  Posted in: Obama, at Arizona memorial service, says polarized nation needs healing

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  WhiteHawkJan. 14, 2011 - 02:34PM JST

  yabits:

  One just couldn't help but fault people for cheering when they heard the encouraging news about Representative Giffords.

  But that's not the only time people applauded, was it? No, as you admitted later:

  Wow. A speaker gets introduced and receives applause. How inappropriate.

  At a memorial service? A local professor? Yes, I do think that is inappropriate. Why would one applaud a professor speaking at a memorial service?

  There is no evidence of this, beyond the claims of Palin's self-serving entourage. What we know is that neither the FBI nor any other law enforcement agency has been contacted to investigate any of the alleged "threats." That in itself speaks volumes.

  Do you really know that? And just how do you know that? What about the posts on her FB page, and the collection of tweets posted on YouTube?

  I believe that it's important to point out that the man who targeted Representative Giffords had been stalking her for some time. And that Representative Giffords herself went on record with her concerns about the gun-related symbols along with the message "Time to take a stand" on Palin's political action website.

  "Some time", as in at least since 2007, before Palin was known beyond Alaska. She didn't notice the DailyKos campaign ad with the bullseye symbols on her district that was running at the same time? Are you suggesting that "Time to take a stand" is supposed to be a call for violence? Seriously?

  Posted in: Obama, at Arizona memorial service, says polarized nation needs healing

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  WhiteHawkJan. 14, 2011 - 02:01PM JST

  As the funeral began, Greene’s family held hands and paused in a moment of silence under the large American flag recovered from Ground Zero after the 9/11 attacks, then escorted the small brown casket into the church as little girls about her age cried.

  I'm sure there were many adults crying as well. I know I would have.

  They’ve helped her sit up and dangle her legs from the bed, and she is able to lift her legs on command.

  That's very good news.

  Posted in: Shot U.S. congresswoman makes progress

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  WhiteHawkJan. 14, 2011 - 01:56PM JST

  From the article:

  Rep Peter King, R-NY, is drafting a bill supported by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg that would prohibit people from carrying guns within 1,000 feet of the president, members of Congress or federal judges.

  Most Americans don't know who their representatives are, much less those of other states. And federal judges? Forget it. Americans recognize actors, singers and game show contestants. They wouldn't know their rep or judges on sight. What a waste of time and money.

  The irony is, the event that legislators are using as a catalyst for their restrictions would have been avoided if the local sheriff had done his job. Instead, he talked the victims of Loughner's threats out of filing charges. Anyone who has a restraining order against them or an arrest record for violent actions (domestic violence, making death threats, etc.) cannot legally purchase a gun. Loughner would have had the record to prevent his purchase had Dupnik simply enforced the law.

  Typically, I say that America doesn't have lax gun laws, just lax gun law enforcement. But in this case, there were other laws where the enforcement was lax. What's the point of writing more laws if the ones you already have aren't being enforced?

  Posted in: Silence greets calls for changes in U.S. gun laws

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  WhiteHawkJan. 14, 2011 - 03:10AM JST

  "Sheriff’s Department and community-college officials in Pima County are refusing to release a wide range of public documents about the man charged in Saturday’s shooting rampage that left six dead and more than a dozen wounded.

  "The Pima County Sheriff’s Department and Pima Community College have declined to release documents that could shed light on run-ins they had with 22-year-old Jared Loughner in the months prior to the shooting."

  To me, this is more substantive and more telling than a bunch of speculation about gunsights and bullseyes, the market value of the parents' home, etc.

  In cases like this, it's not uncommon for there to be warning signs well before the incident. While Dupnik appears to be more a politician than a law enforcement officer, I hope that the Obama administration checks its penchant for party favoritism and not protect Dupnik on this. It's becoming increasingly apparent that six people are dead and 14 are wounded because he intentionally didn't do his job. Loughner is apparently insane, so there are limits to his responsibility for his actions. But incompetence is not afforded the same considerations.

  And guess who stood up and applauded when Obama said we shouldn't point blame at others during the memorial/pep rally last night? Sheriff Dupnik. The same man who started blaming political rhetoric and Rush Limbaugh before the blood had dried on the ground.

  Disgusting.

  Posted in: Ariz investigators say there were warning signs on day of shooting

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  WhiteHawkJan. 13, 2011 - 12:08PM JST

  Oh look, the article has changed again!

  Is it just me, or does this memorial seem more like an Obama pep rally?

  "Wellstone" is now a verb.

  Posted in: Obama, at Arizona memorial service, says polarized nation needs healing

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  WhiteHawkJan. 13, 2011 - 09:57AM JST

  He, to use his words, "assassinated" a woman that he knew to be a Jew AND an elected official of the Federal government.

  She's not dead. In fact, she's recovering.

  Don't let the press distract you either by telling you that Palin set it all up or that it was totally random. Both are false.

  In two other threads, you certainly seem to make the case that "the right" or Palin set this all up.

  Posted in: Ariz investigators say there were warning signs on day of shooting

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  WhiteHawkJan. 13, 2011 - 09:52AM JST

  Hmmmm. When I posted my previous comment, the article was about Obama delivering a memorial speech. Now it's about Obama visiting Giffords and others at the hospital.

  I can't wait to see what the article is about in a few minutes.

  Posted in: Obama, at Arizona memorial service, says polarized nation needs healing

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  WhiteHawkJan. 13, 2011 - 09:37AM JST

  He killed people for their political beliefs and political positions.

  A point you keep repeating but have yet to prove.

  Apparently, he also did it because she was Jewish, which does not bother anyone posting here in the least.

  Your proof being what, exactly?

  He targeted Jews, politicians and judges.

  You keep forgetting about the girl. Did he target a 9-year-old girl?

  Turner Diaries.

  So I looked up The Turner Diaries on Wikipedia. Pretty disturbing stuff. Don't see how it relates to this shooting, however. Was it on Loughner's favorite book list?

  The simple fact of the matter is that it is a political assassination. Jared wrote that himself.

  He's a nutter. He asked her a nonsensical question back in 2007 and she blew him off. According to everyone we've heard from in direct contact with Loughner, he hated her and became more obsessed with her after that. Doesn't sound political to me; it sounds crazy.

  I would be just as infuriated if someone took a shot at Boehner, but we both know nobody ever will. He is not on Palin's hit list.

  I've liked Palin since her first national speech after McCain picked her. I've defended her when Leftists accused her of everything from shooting moose from helicopters to rigging the vote on a "reality" show to - and even I didn't see this coming - ordering political assassinations. I know a lot of other people who like and politically support her. I even know quite a few women who think her husband is hot. But I don't know anybody that would kill someone for her.

  Yeah. But why do I think she would not even try?

  I suspect the answer comes from within you.

  Posted in: Man due in court over Tucson shooting rampage

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  WhiteHawkJan. 13, 2011 - 09:35AM JST

  Klein2:

  I never said any such thing. Ever.

  You've been focusing on Palin from the beginning, all the while deliberately ignoring or downplaying rhetoric from the Left.

  The guy was a skinhead.

  Looks like he also shaved his eyebrows. Syd Barrett did the same thing. Did that make him a skinhead too? No, that was a sign he was crazy. I doubt Loughner knows what a skinhead is.

  No. I have quotes from people who knew him, shown above, saying he thought the government controlled people too much.

  Pro-choice proponents say the same thing. Does that make them right-wing too?

  Anti-semitism.

  A characteristic of the Left. Who supports Israel? The American Right. Who props up, rationalizes and fawns over the PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah? The American Left. Look up the activities of Code Pink and Cynthia McKinney.

  Constitution

  Which Loughner referred to as "the second constitution". He prefers the Articles of Constitution, according to his rants.

  You will be Googling all day for that one, or does throwing a shoe at a G8 or WTO meeting count?

  Is rioting and burning cars good enough for you? How about pro-Obama SEIU thugs beating a black conservative at a town hall gathering?

  Mein Kampf reading

  Hitler was a Leftist. National Socialist Party, remember? Supported by Leftist academics and writers in the U.S., remember?

  Posted in: Man due in court over Tucson shooting rampage

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  WhiteHawkJan. 13, 2011 - 09:27AM JST

  Taka313:

  Lest we forget, let's remember what those liberal pinkos over at the US Secret Service had to say about right-wing rhetoric, specifically from miss sarah palin:

  And just what did she say about Obama? That Obama "palled around" with terrorists.

  Which was true. William Ayers indeed was a terrorist. "Guilty as hell, free as a bird. What a country.", remember? He's supported Obama from the beginning. Six of the eleven Weather Underground "radicals" (terrorists) have served on a campaign committee for Obama.

  Nobody is supposed to be angry about that?

  But it has now emerged that her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further.

  And the connection is...?

  The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks.

  ...and also coinciding with their increasing prominence on the national stage. Hardly conclusive.

  Posted in: Man due in court over Tucson shooting rampage

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  WhiteHawkJan. 13, 2011 - 08:37AM JST

  I hope he gives a very respectful and eloquent speech. Those lost deserve nothing less.

  Posted in: Obama, at Arizona memorial service, says polarized nation needs healing

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