Wednesday February 15, 2012

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    WhiteHawk

    Look for it yourself. ... You want that one, find it yourself.

    Ah, playing USAFdude's game now, eh? Fine.

    I'm still interested in seeing your proof that only Republicans own banks and businesses though.

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    WhiteHawk

    As I suspected you would do, you have provided information on tax shelters for multi-nationals that claim a head office overseas. (Not unlike Teddy Kennedy protecting $500 million of family wealth in a Fiji tax shelter, and Bono exploiting European tax shelters.) I specifically asked for tax breaks for moving production overseas.

    Even your second source shows the basic argument as to why tax breaks exist:

    "Due to these three factors, each nation has an incentive to cut corporate taxes below their neighbors’ rates to attract foreign investment."

    Although to be fair, I only scanned over the articles. Still, it appears that my post about cheaper labor, land and environmental restrictions remains undisputed.

    Oh, and your evidence that these tax laws were exclusively Republican created...?

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    WhiteHawk

    There's your source.

    I'm sorry, I meant to ask your source for the number for the $4 trillion Bush "gave away", not the $7 trillion debt figure. My apologies for the confusion.

    republicans own the banks. you think a bunch of poor democrats own them? Please!!!

    Proof?

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    WhiteHawk

    Just to add to my previous comment:

    No, jobs went overseas because labor was cheaper, environmental regulations weren't as stringent (expensive), and land was cheaper overseas.

    adaydream, perhaps you can point out the specific tax law which Republicans wrote to give companies a tax break for moving their production overseas?

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    WhiteHawk

    We were in debt $7Trillion and he gives away $4Trillion, I don't see where it's their money.

    Did they spend the money? No, congress did. Was it congress' money to spend? No. Congress spent money they didn't yet have.

    That's why he got elected. To screw the poor and give away the $4Trillion.

    What, you didn't get your $600 check? I got mine. Remember? Everybody who paid taxes got a cut.

    Btw, what's your source for the $7 trillion figure? I mean, since I'm posting my sources...

    But now we're indebt $12Trillion, jobs went overseas with tax breaks, but it's Obama's fault there aren't jobs.

    No, jobs went overseas because labor was cheaper, environmental regulations weren't as stringent (expensive), and land was cheaper overseas.

    Since Obama claimed that unemployment would exceed 8% if the stimulus spending spree wasn't passed, and it has since climbed to over 10% since it was passed, yes, he does bear some responsibility.

    Banks got their bailouts, (whether you like them or not) and the banks held on to the money without loaning it out to create jobs.

    Which is what some (right-wing) economists predicted.

    So the republicans took the bank loans and screwed the little guys by not giving loans to small businesses.

    You mean only Republicans own banks?!? I never knew that! What's your source?

    The republicans who could helped create jobs held on to the money, thus it's the republicans that held back unemployment.

    You mean only Republicans own businesses?!? that's news to me as well. I never knew that giants such as Microsoft and Google were owned by Republicans.

    With Obama, Pelosi and Reid spending like drunken sailors (except that drunken sailors spend their own money), and planning to cover it by printing more money, just how much confidence were these exclusively Republican bankers and business owners supposed to have in the market?

    What were they supposed to do, loan funds to people who couldn't repay the loans? No, that was a Democrat idea and it didn't work. I know! Sub-prime loans! No wait, that was another Democrat idea that didn't work. Besides, thanks to those Democrat ideas, there are way more homes and commercial buildings on the market than there are buyers.

    Did some banks short-change their customers once they got bailouts? Yes, although that was predicted by some "mean, stingy" Republicans. Those same Republicans, who predicted that banks would be tempted to secure themselves and not their customers ("we don't need your business anymore, the government's already taken your money and given it to us"), were criticized for thinking that the market might correct itself quicker if the government didn't reward failure. All of which is forgotten, however, once the Democrats are in control, not making progress (but you're "progressives"!) and in need of someone else to blame.

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    WhiteHawk

    Oh, just realized that I left a little nugget out of my 5:37 post.

    The last two years of Bush's second term, when the Democrats had control of congress (again Sushi, where the budgets are written), that same congress increased the budget by 23%.

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    WhiteHawk

    adaydream:

    Whitehawk, george bush gave away $4Trillion in one swift pen stroke to the top 1% of the population. You know better, but it's so convenient to forget that.

    He did? Where did he get the money? Oh, that's right, it was their money to begin with. Typical Leftist, you work on the presumption that all property belongs to the government.

    I was just listening to Sean Hannity in the car.

    You were? Heck, I don't even listen to him.

    The republicans have stalled, stammered and been regular obstructionist.

    Again, you've had a 60-vote majority and the White House for the past year, but are still trying to blame someone else. You wanted a congress where you didn't need the Republicans, you've had that, and you still refuse to take responsibility. Pathetic? Pathological? Both.

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    WhiteHawk

    Obama:

    I Disagree With Senator McCain About An Across-The-Board Freeze. That’s an Example Of An Unfair Burden Sharing.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/07/presidential.debate.transcript/

    He said that here in my hometown. And then he went on to say in the following debate:

    [W]e Do Have A Disagreement About An Across-The-Board Spending Freeze. It Sounds Good. It’s Proposed Periodically. It Doesn’t Happen.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/16/politics/2008debates/main4525254.shtml

    But that's okay, JT Leftists. Keep blaming Bush, keep blaming Republicans when it was the Democrats who were elected to provide solutions. It's almost funny, really, that during the campaigns, the Leftists here on JT were crowing that they would "fix all of Bush's mistakes, you'll see". But now that they have more power in D.C. than the Republicans have ever had, they're failing and continuing to blame the Republicans.

    By contrast, when those same JT Leftists were complaining about "Bush's deficits" and campaigning for Obama (or Hillary, depending on the week), I predicted that having Democrats in the White House and in control of Congress would only result in an substantial increase in spending, and a reckless one at that. Oh, but how the JT Leftists chided me for suggesting such a thing! But now history has proven me right and them wrong. And it didn't take as long as I thought it would.

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    WhiteHawk

    Yes, according to Chavez, the U.S. is out to get him. (Never mind that there are CITGO gas stations all over our country.) Also according to Chavez, the U.S. delivery of aid to Haiti is actually a military invasion, following the U.S. causing the earthquake with their secret earthquake-making-machine.

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    WhiteHawk

    More like too little, too late.

    Posted in: U.S. Senate rejects Obama-backed deficit task force

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    WhiteHawk

    Other goodies:

    President George W. Bush’s Non-Defense Discretionary Spending In FY 2009 Was $589 Billion.

    Obama Raised It By 19.5 Percent To $704 Billion For FY 2010, The Largest One-Year Increase In 34 Years.

    But in the SotU, Obama promised a decrease in discretionary spending. Let's have a look at his proposal:

    Obama’s FY 2010 Budget Originally Called For $687 Billion In Non-Defense Discretionary Spending.

    Dropping To $641 Billion In FY 2011, A 7 Percent Decrease.

    Dropping To $622 Billion In FY 2012, A 3 Percent Decrease.

    Rising Slightly To $625 Billion In FY 2013, A 0.5 Percent Increase.

    So according to Obama, going from $589 billion to $625 billion represents a spending decrease.

    And here's something Obama's JT sycophants always demand of others but rarely (if ever) provide themselves: Proof.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/historicals/

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2010/assets/summary.pdf

    And here's an interesting tidbit. Obamacare would be mandatory spending, not discretionary. And it could cost $2.5 trillion, according to Democrat Max Baucus. Ooooops.

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    WhiteHawk

    Obama:

    So tonight, I'm proposing that we take $30 billion of the money Wall Street banks have repaid and use it to help community banks give small businesses the credit they need to stay afloat. I am also proposing a new small business tax credit -- one that will go to over 1 million small businesses who hire new workers or raise wages. While we're at it, let's also eliminate all capital gains taxes on small business investment and provide a tax incentive for all businesses, large and small, to invest in new plants and equipment.

    Um, how many small businesses pay capital gains taxes in the first place?

    yabits:

    The biggest tax cuts in U.S. history came over the last decade.

    You mean we went from 70% income tax rates to 50%? Oh wait, that was in the 80's. When revenues increased and Democrats reneged on their deal with Reagan to cut their spending.

    Might? Where are the insurance companies offering any kind of deal where they specify how much they'll reduce rates should tort reform be enacted?

    Is that their job? Actually, the cost of meritless lawsuits has been quite well documented, and I've listed the links on previous threads. Just because you ignore something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    More than likely, it will just represent a windfall to them that they'll pocket, and which Republicans will defend as rightful profit-seeking.

    Let me get this straight: You're arguing that the savings wouldn't be great enough to be worth enacting tort reform, but if it were enacted, the savings would be great enough to qualify as windfall profits? Which is it, yabits?

    Oh, and did you ever look up my health insurance rates once I gave you the name of my provider? You never came back to that thread, and I know what that usually means with the Leftists on JT.

    SS3:

    You're saying they did good for the economy?

    It's the spending, stupid. Bush, ever the moderate, didn't veto a single congressional spending bill. Not the Republicans, nor the Democrats.

    The GOP now have 41 votes in Congress, letting them obstruct pretty much anything they want.

    Sushi, Brown just got elected. He hasn't cast a single vote yet. Is that your excuse for the past year? That Republicans now have a 41st vote? Loki520 was referring to the past year. You know, 2009.

    Besides, 41 isn't more than 59. Even a satirist like Colbert can see through that excuse.

    ShonanMaruno2:

    Actually, it is that scenario which would produce a global depression - which I suspect frustrated leftists such as SS3 secretly pine for.

    Secretly?!? What's so secret about it?

    adaydream:

    The last administration spent money like it was somebody else's and didn't have to be replaced.

    And this administration is correcting that by spending three times as much (and trying for four).

    I heard like 6 different taxes that Obama plans to see killed. How come these so called republicans haven't embraced this action, because even if they get tax cuts, it's not enough.

    Because we know he's faking it. Remembers "words have meaning"? Except when they're his campaign promises, which he now refers to as "so much campaign rhetoric". How come Leftists, who were obsessed with Bush's "lie", never call Obama out for any of his?

    I loved the admonition of the Supreme Court and judge Alito last night. They just gave away freedom of speach to the richest and deepest pockets, whether foreign or domestic.

    So "the rich" don't get freedom of speech? You remind me of Rick Mayall's character on The Young Ones.

    Don't you worry, George Soros (the world's most powerful and evil capitalist) will still have his influence, and Bill Clinton can breathe a little easier about his fund-raising with the Chinese.

    SS3:

    Do you somehow fail to understand that the global recession started in December 2007 - when bush and the GOP were in charge?

    Say, isn't that when the Democrats had control of congress for a year? You know congress, that's where the budgets are written.

    Oh, and did you forget that Bush and the GOP had been in charge the previous 7 years, when the economy was strong?

    Do you also fail to understand the financial wreckage the GOP caused, not in a small part by invading Iraq, the immense money drain of which is now a prime reason why the GOP and their conservative supporters are now going off about the national debt?

    But Iraq isn't even a big slice of our budget pie. It's domestic spending that consumes the vast majority of our budget.

    I think it's because they think money just grows on trees, which is a core reason they burnt through so much of it without thinking where more was going to come from.

    I guess they just could have printed more. Oh wait, that's the Democrat's solution.

    Madverts:

    So perhaps, as this thread is full of activity, at least one conservative could provide me with the name and the solution from a conservative who has a plan to get the US out of this mess rather than blamng Obama.

    So you're denying the Pelosi, Reid and Obama have blocked and shelved Republican submissions? Or are you denying that the Democrats were elected to find solutions but are failing to do so, and are still trying to blame the GOP?

    Sushi and yabits, it seems you are conceding on my previous points about the Democrats' proposed health care legislation, since you have not provided rebuttals. Your concessions are duly noted.

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    WhiteHawk

    Making tax cuts permanent.

    You say that like it's a bad thing. As both Reagan and JFK proved, lowering taxes increases revenue, thanks to the economic growth they enable. And, if Obama is to be believed, he's now seeing that as well. Unless he was just faking it.

    Being asleep at hte wheel as lax financial industry regulations led to the bubble, then the meltdown.

    Exactly which regulations were lax? Do you mean the financial industry regulations that forced banks to make loans they knew wouldn't get repaid?

    Making a wild claim like that before the healthcare reform has even been enacted shows just how desperate the conservatives are becoming.

    Not a wild claim at all, but proven time and again:

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/much-at-stake-for-obama-in-close-massachusetts-senate-race#comment_448648

    As I said - no new ideas.

    And Obama's ideas are new? Only if you've never heard of Marx, Mao or Chavez.

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    WhiteHawk

    sailwind:

    I know and stolen right from the republican playbook and conservative philosphy on how to grow jobs and create wealth. Now if he is onboard with that, then those ideas actually have real merit after all dont you think?

    Oh, but you know and I know and Charles Krauthammer knows and especially SushiSake knows that Obama was just faking it.

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    WhiteHawk

    Oh, and the trillion-dollar gold mine of fraud and abuse known as Obamacare IS a workable idea for you. Thanks for admitting that.

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    WhiteHawk

    Whitehawk, it's funny to see you complaining about the cost of Dem policies ("a trillion-dollar-plus bureaucratic nightmare" !! :-) when the GOP set in motion the burning of $3 trillion plus in just one foreign policy bungle in the invasion of Iraq.

    I'm sure the people of Iraq, who can now vote for somebody other than Saddam Hussein without worrying about being killed as an example to others, will appreciate your sentiments.

    Or would you rather we do the same for Sudan?

    By the way, that was a bi-partisan effort.

    I know it's difficult, but if you could remember back to some of the disastrous policies enacted by your GOP over - gosh - it was only the last 7 short years - you might actually get a glimpse of how baseless and hypocritical your argument is.

    It might be more productive if you remember them. And list them here.

    Along with backing up some of your other claims I've refuted.

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    WhiteHawk

    You mean the GOP healthcare alternative that was only going to cover an additional 3 million people?

    How about the one that involved tort reform? Oh yeah, the Democrats can't have that! That might actually reduce the cost of health care, and then people won't see a need for the government to come to their rescue with the promise of "free" health care.

    The point is the GOP - as is blindingly obvious also the case with most conservatives on this thread - simply have no workable ideas.

    But a trillion-dollar-plus bureaucratic nightmare to cover only "47 million" people IS a workable idea?!? That's your argument?!?

    Show me one positive plan the GOP has put forward that isn't directly connected with righting the economic wreckage they themselves were responsible for creating.

    Whoa. Just what part of the economic wreckage were they exclusively responsible for? Fannie/Freddie? The CRI of 1977?

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    WhiteHawk

    The size of the bailout (remember the first $680 billion one that bush just threw away without any checks or accountability? No, conservatives will no doubt have conveniently forgotten that, too) - is in direct proportion to the hole the GOP blew in the U.S. economy.

    I haven't forgotten it. Nor have I forgotten how Bush was against it until the Democrat-led congress convinced him. And if it was such a bad idea, why did Obama repeat it?

    All that said, expecting conservatives/GOP to work for the benefit of ordinary Americans is like thinking you can rake the incoming tide out.

    Ordinary Americans? You mean like Al Gore? George Soros? Ron Gettlefinger, perhaps?

    Pretty much all the conservatives/GOP have to offer Americans is blocking, blocking, blocking, hailstorms of criticism with no new ideas, and a drug-addicted faux leader in talk show host in Rush Limpbough.

    How much blow did Obama do? Or have you forgotten that already?

    Republicans have offered several plans, but they were blocked by Democrats. So your claim that Republicans are the ones blocking and are not offering ideas is a complete lie.

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    WhiteHawk

    adaydream:

    Obama spoke to the country and directly to the congress that they need to stop their bi-particism and work together.

    But did Nancy listen?

    He reminded us that this debt, that the the republicans keep crying about, was created during the last administration and it isn't going to just disappear.

    hahaha!

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    WhiteHawk

    adaydream:

    Nobody really wants to fix the problems. First stop spending on stuff we don't need, freeze expenditures that are not the entitlements packages already enacted, jobs...jobs...jobs..., pass health care reform, don't escalete the wars anymore and raise taxes.

    Republicans can only say tax cuts. That's all that they can think of. Screw the needs of the country. I keep hearing the whining about taxes breaks for the rich running out. Too bad, you got your tax breaks, now it's time to refill the treasury the only way possible.

    Oh, I'm pretty sure you've heard a few Republicans talk about cutting spending. Even seen a few do it, or at least try. Perhaps you've heard of them. John McCain? Sarah Palin? Sound familiar?

    But have you heard of Pelosi or Reid talk about cutting spending?

    And how do you cut spending and pass a trillion-dollar-plus health care bill at the same time?

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