Wednesday February 15, 2012

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    Wolfpack

    Wow, Obama picked a political hack with virtually no intelligence background. Panetta will get a rocky reception in Congress. Looks like Obama's lack of management and executive experience is starting to show already.

    Posted in: Obama sending Panetta to Pentagon, Petraeus to CIA

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    Wolfpack

    Democrat's would be racist's if they do not seat Blogo's African-American appointee! There is no end to their hypocrisy! Hee..hee...

    Posted in: Defiant Illinois governor names Obama replacement

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    Wolfpack

    A proportionate response to Hamas' use of Gaza as a base for lobbing rockets into Israel is whatever it takes to stop the rocket attacks. There would be no Israel reponse to the rocket attacks if Hamas were not launching rockets at Israel in the first place. That said, Israel is targeting Hamas and is not just shooting aimlessly into Gaza. But since Hamas uses civlians as human shields that leaves Israel with two choices: 1) allow Hamas to launch rockets indiscrimately at Israel until an inept government is overthrown by a terrorized people, or 2) respond to the provocation by targeting Hamas and the rockets.

    Hamas purposefully uses civilians as human shields - they state this publicly and have no qualms about it. They are not only terrorizing Israel, but Palestinians. The sad and pathetic fact of this matter is that Palestinians have been taught to hate Jews so much, that they accept this situation and support Hamas anyway.

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    Wolfpack

    shiuu is right:

    Hamas, the government of the Palestinian people in Gaza, went looking for this fight by launching thousands of rockets at Israeli civilians...

    I would add to that the blockade that Hamas is crying about only occurred because of Hamas' actions in Gaza; as the JT story noets:

    Israel imposed the blockade after Hamas violently took over Gaza in June 2007, and fears opening the crossings would allow the group — which remains officially committed to Israel’s destruction — to strengthen its hold on the territory.

    Hamas wants to destroy Israel and this is manifsted by it's current use of Gaza as a base to launch rockets at civilians in Israel. Israel should continue to pursue it's military objectives until Hamas stops firing rockets at them. Anything less would be a tactical defeat for Israel and would embolden Hamas to continue it's use of terror tactics to achieve what should be achieved through negotiation. Israel can not contiually restrain themselves even when it knows that Hamas uses civilians are human shields; they cannot just sit around and let their adversary rocket them at will. Hamas is responsible for the deaths of the Palestinians in Gaza.

    Posted in: Israel rejects 48-hour halt to Gaza assault

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    Wolfpack

    Rahm Emmanuel most have given his consent - what's the problem?

    Posted in: Defiant Illinois governor names Obama replacement

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    Wolfpack

    YangYong:

    You know this 'discussion' ended when it started because your conclusions have not followed your premise and when brought to point and shown to be wrong you paste that irrelevant question to people who obviously have a balanced opinion / stance based in objectivity and one not festering with anti-Semitic bile. Semitic being BOTH Jew and Arab. Bonsoir.

    The discussion ended because it was not going the way you wanted it to and you stopped discussing it. You have not proven me wrong on anything yet you continue to state that without any evidence to support it. I am neither Jew or Arab and I have no bone in the fight between the two sides in the Middle East. However, it is a fascinating and very sad human struggle. I have found that through "discussions" such as this one with you and with itcher74, that the solution to this problem for Arabs and Palestinians is to simply eliminate the Jews. They do not accept the right of Jews to exist in the Middle East and therefore, would like to get rid of them through any means necessary. This way of thinking makes it likely that some very tragic event will occur in the Middle East - such as a terrible nuclear exchange that destroys a good portion of the region. I am not saying that this will happen, but it is a very real possibilty give the fact that Jews are not accepted by Arabs/Palestinians.

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    Wolfpack

    YangYong says:

    Yeah, but do you have right to exist?

    Well, you could not answer a straight question as to whether or not Israel should exist or not, maybe you can answer your own question instead?

    I can't understand why you are avoiding a straight answer to this question unless you believe that Israel does not have a right to exist. I am right - am I not? Is the life of an Arab more important to you than the life of a Jew?

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    Wolfpack

    itcher74 says:

    *I think my previous post answered your question. *

    I am sorry, but I am unable to discern whether or not you accept Israels right to exist from your previous post. You do not give a clear answer. Could you state a simple Yes or No to the question: Does Israel have a right to exist?

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    Wolfpack

    YangYong says:

    Once in a corner, argument exhausted, is that all you have THAT one question? Emotive posturing is not a valid component of discussion so... leave it out.

    To me, this is the defining issue of the entire conflict. If both sides are unable to recognize each other, then there can be no further discussion. Why are you avoiding a simple answer to this question? Yes or No - which is it?

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    Wolfpack

    itcher74 says:

    Every Palestinian leader has agreed to make a state of the remainding 20% of Palestine according to international laws and UN resolution 242. US voted in favor of this too btw. So what´s the problem?

    OK - I can reply to your statement once you give me your response to my question: Do you believe that Israel has a right to exist? Yes or No?

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    Wolfpack

    YangYong - do you believe that Israel has a right to exist or not? It's a simple question that could further the discussion greatly.

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    Wolfpack

    change says:

    1.Why should I opt for Ghandi or MLK? Why don't you tackle the issue that calls for my adoption of MLK style? 2. You mentioned the decisions of the powers that be in '47. Why should their decision then be the ultimate unquestionable divine one?

    I think that the Ghandi / MLK route should be taken because the military resistance strategy has failed for the past 60 years. The terrorists tactics of Hamas, Hezbollah, and supporting nations like Iran and Syria are leading no where and only lead to devastating retaliation. It's like doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

    Your second question is the best and ultimately the most important one. Obviously, Israel thinks it has a right to exist. It is equally obvious that a great many Arabs and Palestinians do not. If the UN's authority is not unquestioned in the matter of Israels right to exist, then it's authority in every other international pact, accord, law, and resolution can also be doubted. The UN is not a well formed or well functioning institution. But if it's auhority is not legitimate, then that appears to lead us to the law of the jungle. Which is pretty much exactly what see in the Middle East.

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    Wolfpack

    itcher74 - Do you believe that Israel has a right to exist?

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    Wolfpack

    YangYong says:

    WP: You avoided answering to the fallacy that you are painting: that all Arabs and all Palestinians do not recognise Israel's right to exist. That, I write again, simply is not true. Retract that from your posts, admit that it's an inaccurate view and then we could touch on your --perhaps rather naive?-- solution of 'throwing out Hamas and all terrorists' from --lets stay focused on the thread for now-- Gaza.

    I don't believe that I am avoiding the issue. Also, why should I retract my opinon when you have not proven it to be wrong? I don't use the word "all" - please don't put words in my mouth. There is likely a significant minority of Palestinians who just want the misery to end and would accept Israel as their neighbor. What is happening in Gaza today is because Hamas, "most" Palestinians, Hezbollah, and "most" Arab states do not recognize Israels right to exist. With the exception of Egypt, no Arab country has made peace with Israel. As a direct result, Anwar Sadat was assassinated.

    I ask you directly YangYong, do you accept Israel's right to exist?

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    Wolfpack

    itcher74 says:

    As much as I would like to see a non violent form of resistance, but facing an ethnocratic and colonial state backed with Western lies what is it that the Palestinians can do to get their well deserved justice and freedom?*

    There is a great deal of hatred and animosity towards Jewish people that I have never been able to understand. I am not Jewish and I don't even have any Jewish friends that I know of, but if Arabs and Palestinians were to leave Israel alone then peace would be possible. Israel is a small country bordered by much larger and hostile states that support terrorism against them.

    When so many believe that Jews are racists and have stolen the land of the Palestinians, then there will be no peace. Palestinians and Arabs have never tried non-violent resistance; a war was launched against Israel on the first day of their existence.

    What choices do the Palestinians have? How about this, instead of 60 years of futile threats and attacks, why not try non-violent resistence just as Ghandi and MLK did? These tactics proved to be ultimately successful. It's worth a try, because what the Palestinians and Arabs have been doing for so long has been a complete failure and has just been a cause of misery for the Palestinian people.

    Itcher74 - do you accept Israels right to exist?

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    Wolfpack

    YangYong says:

    Wolfpack: You're pushing forth a view held by a minority within a radicalised militant group as the voice cry of all Arabs and --especially-- Palestinians; it simply isn't true. Give a man a job, give his children safety, provide essential services such as clean water, electricity, sanitation and education and show everyone that it's OK to believe in a brighter future --along with other creature comforts such as a TV, a fridge-- and watch as any significant grass root support for war, battle, bombs, rockets and guns evaporates.

    If the Palestinians were to throw out Hamas and all other terrorists within their midst, they would have a brighter future. The problem is, they will not because they actually support Hamas and it's goal of wiping Israel off the map. Do you have any evidence that shows otherwise? Most polls in Gaza and the West Bank show support for Hamas.

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    Wolfpack

    (please ignore my previous post - I submitted it accidentally) smithinjapan says:

    *You say this, but are you not aware that the blockade in the Gaza strip is against the law according to the UN? The same UN you claim above is ignored when it comes to the creation of Israel. So, what are you saying... do we HAVE TO listen to the UN and admit the right of Israel to exist and at the same time deny the UN and the illegality of the blockade? *

    The logic in your statement falls apart when you consider that the Palestinian and Arab side does not consider the 1947 UN law creating Israel to be legitimate. Should Israel obey the UN now when doing so is a threat to it's national security while it's adversary does not? It defies reason. I am not even a fan of the UN and don't understand the reason for creating the state of Israel in the first place but Israel is a legitimate nation created by the prevailing international authority of the time.

    *I most certainly do accept Israel's right to exist. I also recognize the rights of the Palestinians to exist in the Gaza strip. Do you not? The first step towards reconciliation, and I repeat the FIRST STEP, would be for Israel to stop pounding Gaza and lift the blockade on the condition that ALL rocket attacks stop. *

    Yes, the Palestinians have a right to live in the Gaza strip but they don't have a right to use that territory to threaten Israel's national security. In doing so, they stand to lose their territory by being defeated in war.

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    Wolfpack

    smithinjapan says:

    *You say this, but are you not aware that the blockade in the Gaza strip is against the law according to the UN? The same UN you claim above is ignored when it comes to the creation of Israel. So, what are you saying... do we HAVE TO listen to the UN and admit the right of Israel to exist and at the same time deny the UN and the illegality of the blockade? *

    The logic in your statement falls apart when you consider that the Palestinian and Arab side does not consider the 1947 UN law creating Israel to be legitimate. Should Israel obey the UN now when doing so is a threat to it's national security while it's adversary does not? It defies reason. I am not even a fan of the UN and don't understand the reason for creating the state of Israel in the first place but Israel is a legitimate nation created by the prevailing international authority of the time.

    I most certainly do accept Israel's right to exist. I also recognize the rights of the Palestinians to exist in the Gaza strip. Do you not? The first step towards reconciliation, and I repeat the FIRST STEP, would be for Israel to stop pounding Gaza and lift the blockade on the condition that ALL rocket attacks stop.

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    Wolfpack

    I agree that things have changed for Israel. In the past, Israel has been successful when fighting conventional wars against Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. Fighting against terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah has been a different story. The terrorists are getting better tactical weapons that are changing the situation for Israel.

    Discussion and debate about the details of the current conflict is irrelevent and leads nowhere and has led nowhere in every other case during the past 60 years. The bottom line is that Arabs and Palestinians do not accept the United Nations creation of the state of Israel back in 1947. If they were to accept Israel's right to exist, then peace would be possible. However, there is no indication that they ever will.

    For those that oppose Israels actions today, do you accept Israel's right to exist? If not, why and what can be done about it short of an all out war?

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    Wolfpack

    Israel has no choice but to engage Hamas to stop the Gaza rocket attacks. The US and Europe need to stay out of this. The war will never end until Arabs and Palestinians accept Israel's right to exist. That is not likely to happen anytime soon so any efforts to "negotiate" peace between the two sides is nothing more than a waste of time.

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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