Thursday February 16, 2012

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    biglittleman

    @4thestatedotcom

    Thanks! It still doesn't make it false. It just shows you have to change the topic because you have no substance. Thanks for pointing it out. LOL

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    biglittleman

    @Loki520

    Oh! By the way, that last part just answered your challenge?

    Care to take up mine now? Or are you going to continue to whine about how unfair the challenge is? Simply answering a challenge with a challenge makes your points weak.

    Moderator: Readers, no more "challenges." Please stop sniping and focus your comments on the topic, not at each other.

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    biglittleman

    @Loki520

    Too old for you? Gonna start with the "things have changed argument"?
    Ok, fine.

    Once again, what's your point? You haven't said anything I haven't told people in my previous posts. If this year was 1957 then I would say you are right. Unfortunately, for you it isn't.

    It very convenient how you stopped right at 1957. Especially, since I reported earlier that is when all the same racist Democrats started turning Republican. Did you just have a 62 year memory lapse. Most of your comrades seem to be suffering from the same thing. What you failed to mention was this:

    >

    President Franklin Roosevelt's electoral body in 1945 had included a diverse, in fact contradictory, set of elements — both conservatives and liberals, northern and southern Democrats and Republicans. By 1948, however, the civil rights issue revealed the real philosophical differences between northern and southern Democrats as never before. The move of Southern states from solidly Democrat to solidly Republican began to take place. In that environment, the Dixiecrats and the “Southern Strategy” was born.

    At the 1948 Democratic National Convention, a group led by Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota proposed some controversial new civil rights planks of racial integration and the reversal of Jim Crow laws to be included in the party platform. Southern Democrats were dismayed. President Harry S. Truman was caught in the middle for his recent executive order to racially integrate the armed forces. As a compromise, he proposed the adoption of only those planks that had been in the 1944 platform. That was not enough for the liberals. Truman's own civil rights initiatives had made the civil rights debate unavoidable.

    The planks were adopted and 35 southern Democrats walked out in protest. They formed the States' Rights Democratic Party, which became popularly known as the Dixiecrats. Their campaign slogan was “Segregation Forever!” Their platform also included “states’ rights” to freedom from governmental interference in an individual's or organization's prerogative to do business with whomever they wanted.

    New York moderate Nelson Rockefeller's defeat in the presidential primary election marked the beginning of the end of moderates and liberals in the Republican Party.

    Clearer political and ideological lines began to be drawn between the Democrat and Republican parties as moderates and liberals converted from Republican to Democrat. Conservatives in the Democratic Party began to move to the increasingly conservative Republican Party.

    Meeting in Birmingham, Alabama, the Dixiecrats nominated South Carolina governor Strom Thurmond as their presidential candidate, and Mississippi governor Field J. Wright, as their vice-presidential nominee. The party platform represented the openly racist views of most white southerners of the time. It opposed abolition of the poll tax while endorsing segregation and the "racial integrity" of each race. In the November election, Thurmond carried the states of Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina. Although Thurmond did not win the election, he received well over a million popular votes and 39 electoral votes.

    By 1952, southern Democrats had concluded that they could exercise more influence through the Democratic Party and therefore returned to the fold. They remained in the Democratic fold, restive, until the candidacy of Republican conservative Barry Goldwater liberated them in 1964 by refreshing some of the Dixiecrat ideologies and therefore accelerated the transition from a solid South for the Democrats to one for the Republicans. Strom Thurmond switched to the Republican Party that year and remained there until his death in December 2003.

    Other presidential candidates, such as Republican Richard M. Nixon in 1968, have effectively used the Southern strategy of "states' rights" and racial inequality to garner votes from the racially conservative electorate in the southern states.

    the facts/dates/affiliations stand out pretty plainly for anyone getting their info from actual history instead of the left's talking points.

    You are right it does. Just next time don't forget the last 62years in your fact checking.

    Just as many, if not less (yes, I said LESS), than there are on the left.

    Democratic racists, no doubt there are. It is more about belonging to a racial group than a political thing. You still need certain religious and political ideologies that is congruent with you prejudices. It doesn't make sense if they conflict with one another.

    So if you subtract the ones from your ancient timeline then add the ones from the last 62years (hell just from 1957-1964) and I believe the Republicans will be in the lead on the number of racists.

    Remember if you read the article those folks you identified as racist Democrats are now Republicans. Thank you.

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    biglittleman

    @Loki520

    I have shown an article that explains the racism that exists within the Republican Party. Not all are but a large portion are racists. Are you saying that these historical events are all wrong and that none of it happened? If so I would like for you to prove it. If you can show with factual evidence then I will apologize. Care to take the challenge?

    4thestatedotcom --No tungincheke -- No DS-- No

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    biglittleman

    @Sailwind,

    from the same article you used

    Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too.........

    Your asking to change the survey results? That would be unethical.

    So when we say there are lots of racist Republicans it is not wrong, right? Your asking to change the survey result? That would be unethical.

    No one denied the existence of racist Democrats. The article I posted acknowledged it. People on here have been denying the existence that many in the Republican Party are racist. You just helped prove my point.

    Thank you.

    Posted in: Carter: Wilson comments toward Obama 'based on racism'

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    biglittleman

    @4thEstatedotcom,

    No substance!!! Care to prove the article wrong? I keep challenging you and you keep changing the subject. No substance!!!

    @DS

    I am still waiting to hear about anything racist that the GOP has done.

    Example:

    Sherri Goforth, an administrative assistant to state Sen. Diane Black, R-Gallatin, has admitted she sent the e-mail May 28 with the title "Historical Keepsake Photo." She said, without elaborating, that she mistakenly sent it "to the wrong list of people." The e-mail depicting President Obama as two cartoonish white eyes peering from a black background.

    According to the Tennessean, a Nashville newspaper, a note on the e-mail said it was paid for by the Tennessee Republican Party

    DS,

    So do you deny that the racist element of the Democratic party followed Strom Thurmond and became Republicans. Or you saying Mr. Thurmond becoming a Republican and openly fought to make it the law to discriminate against Blacks was a lie. Or that Strom Thurmond wasn't a racist. Or are you saying Evangilcals like Mormons didn't support slavery.

    I would like to see proof of that.

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    biglittleman

    @Gogogo

    How about being happy for her rather than making her look stupid or focusing on the fact the guy is divorced 3 times?

    Because the situation, shows that this could possibly lead to further humiliation if the relationship continues. It is not that she is seeing a 75 year who has been married three times. She is seeing a 33 year old who has been married 3 times. All figure skaters and he is a figure skating coach. See a pattern? A very unhealthy pattern. Which makes perfectly sense why some would be more than a little worried.

    Posted in: Figure skater Miki Ando rumored to be in love with 3-time divorcee coach

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    biglittleman

    Written by LFRagain

    4thEstateDotCom, Don't willfully demonstrate your ignorance by trying to pretend 1800s Democrats and Republicans bear any similarities whatsoever with their modern counterparts. They are similar only in name.

    Once again, no substance!!!

    Sincerely,

    BLM American citizen

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    biglittleman

    @4thEstateDotcom

    If the South is so racist how to explain a major demographic shift of the last few decades - spanning the supposedly racist Republican control of the region - that sees blacks moving back to the South?

    LOL!!! Once again, misdirection. Changing he subject. Once again moving patterns of African Americans have no relationship about the racist base of the Republican party. No substance. LOL!!!

    Read the long article again. It answers your question? You don't know how to use common sense. LOL!!

    Stay on topic!!!!

    @TunginCheke

    You are sad!!! I have already explained it in the long article. Reread it and you will have your answer. If it is wrong then it should be easy to prove, right?

    I asked 4thinlatatedotcom to try and he couldn't. What is your answer?

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    biglittleman

    @Triumvere,

    Why are arguing about extreme situations? None on the this thread other than AK619. Has suggested separating mother from child and sending her away.

    We have suggested is that she follow the law. Are you suggesting she should be beyond the law? Which is let immigration review her case and make a decision. Not based on anything other than the circumstances of this case and law. If they don't give her citizenship now then go home with her child and do all things I laid out in my previous posts to get citizenship later. Nothing would change for her, the child or family either way.

    The father is still gone, the child is a citizen and the mother will be eventually.

    The bases of the relationship between the two has been simply a sub-conversation.

    Posted in: Proxy wedding means Marine's Japanese widow, baby unwelcome in U.S.

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    biglittleman

    @Sailwind

    Read the long article I just posted. It shows and acknowledged the fact that some of the White racist in the original party stayed. That article accounts for all them.

    Try again!

    Posted in: Carter: Wilson comments toward Obama 'based on racism'

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    biglittleman

    LFRagain,

    First of all, my position has never changed. In your attempt to use my own words against me. You have shown that in my statements that I had stated "may have been" which never means 100% definitely. Secondly, you failed to show and ignored in my earlier postings.

    I also wrote:

    Whatever her story is the government should not rush into this. It should take its time and review the facts. It maybe a different time but this rule in particular is still applicable.

    You seem to be selectively taking my words out context and then ignoring other parts to prove your point. That is why sympathy is clouding your rational judgement. Because you are willing to got such lengths.

    And that sir makes you a scoundrel!

    @womanforwomen

    First, it was Cleo who brought up the analogy about Filipino women. And yes it is relevant by your own words nonetheless.

    you wrote:

    Every woman has an 'ulterior motive' in finding a partner. Future security - and financial security in particular I would think. But some women risk too much to secure that and will go to any extend to achieve that.

    Which was my point from the beginning! She had an ulterior motive. Thank you for agreeing with me. Just because some groups go to the extreme as pointed out about getting marriage doesn't mean we totally rule out the point we don't know for sure what her original attentions were in the relationship. So we are back at where we started from with this conversation.

    So you are right I don't see the Japanese woman marrying her husband to hopefully kill him in the future like your Filipino example.

    I do see the possibility of an ulterior motive in both which you have admitted as woman you all possess. Thus the rule is still applicable today as when it was first conceptualized.

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    biglittleman

    @Sarge

    Heck, even Obama disagrees with what Carter said.

    Everybody knows if he openly say that in public then some of the same people who supported him like some Whites and Republicans would not like that.

    No one wants to be called a Racist. Even if it is true about an individual that represents the group you belong to.

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    biglittleman

    Here is some info about the Republican base for 4thEstatedotcom.

    He couldn't address it so he ran from it.

    When President Johnson helped pass Civil Rights legislation in the 1960s he commented that: "Well, there goes the South." He meant, of course, that now the South would become Republican as they now saw the Democrats as the party standing up for the blacks.

    Following the Civil War, the South defeated what little there was of Reconstruction when in a contested presidential election the Republicans under Hayes agreed to pull out Federal troops from the South in exchange for Hayes being president. After the troops wee gone, the whites took back any remaining outstanding power that blacks had and placed blacks in a new type of slavery: this one an economic slavery through the share-cropping system.

    Southerners have traditionally dominated American politics to a greater extent than their proportional representation entitled them, because, although they were largely members of the Democratic party (because the South was poor), they could quickly shift their weight to the Republican party to pass conservative legislation or to block liberal legislation. They voted virtually as a block and this ability gave them legislative power. Southern Democrats were pretty solidly racist and voted to keep the racist system in place.

    Following the Civil Rights legislation, the South temporarily lost some of its legislative power as its voters and politicians switched inexorably to the Republican party. This, of course, has made the Republican party even more conservative and racist than it had ever been following the death of Reconstruction.

    The South also changed its religion. As the former Democratic South changed it allegiances in politics, so did it also start to change its allegiances in religion. In the days of the anti-slavery movement, when the Anglican ministers in the South would not support racism and pro-slavery sentiment, the South changed its religions to the more personal, evangelical religions whose ministers did support racism and slavery. An insistence on maintaining a racist structure leads also to an insistence on racists values and hence racist religions. Similarly, today's Southerners are abandoning the more staid evangelical religions for the highly personalized religions characterized by the phrase "born-again Christians." Whereas, many a Methodist or Baptist preacher would not now condone racism, the Southerners don't have to worry about this with their new preachers of born-again religion.

    With the abandonment by the Southern Democrats of the Democratic party, blacks became somewhat more influential in the Democratic party, because the party was now much smaller than it had been. As a result, the Democratic party is somewhat more liberal than it used to be.

    So the division between the two parties grew. The Republican party represented the wealthy industrialists and other rich persons, the South, and a good proportion of the working class and middle-class who were concerned that blacks were getting too much privilege in this country. (I watched a lot of coverage of the 2000 elections and I heard no one discuss the obvious: the entire old Confederacy went for the Republicans, plus the more rural parts of the Midwest -- with the exception of Ohio. So Bush won the election with a combination of the two R's: ruralism and racism. The networks are both too biased and/or too afraid of losing ratings by offending the South and Midwest, apparently.)

    The Democratic party, although losing the South, did retain some of its traditional base, working class, some of the middle class, and the blacks. But by and large, the Democratic party was much weakened by the overall abandonment of the party by the South.

    The end result was that the two parties now grew very far apart from each other ideologically speaking. The Republicans now had a very strong racist backing which made the party take very conservative stances. The Democrats had a cadre of liberals that kept its ideas in the liberal camp.

    LOL! It is amazing how people are so ignorant about their own history.

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    biglittleman

    Oh, where is your rebuttal that Strom Thurmond, a Democrat originally, a known segregationist who fought to keep Blacks from being equals as whites, latter became a Republican to keep up the cause?

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    biglittleman

    @4thstatedot.com

    Very funny 4thstate. Once again your powers of misdirection doesn't work.

    Where is your rebuttal that the racist Democrats didn't become Republicans to continue their agenda? Where is your rebuttal how Republicans fight for States rights isn't a cover for oppressing groups that are not like majority demographic in the Republican party? Where is your rebuttal that Evangelicals didn't support slavery? Don't forget the Mormons support of slavery!

    It is funny how someone who has a PHD in sociology and study this topic for a living becomes a crank when they show the true base of the Republican party.

    Where the information is posted on the internet once it has been created has no bearing on the conversation. The same article can be taken and posted on a White supremacist site. Or the official Republican website. It still wouldn't change the truth in it. That is unless you can prove it is incorrect.

    Are you willing to take the challenge? I must warn you considering your attempts at logic with me earlier it may be a little difficult for you. :)

    Once again changing the subject are we? NO Substance. LOL!

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    biglittleman

    @4THeSTATEdOTCOM wrote:

    LFRAgain would be more persuasive if he could provide a striking example of which he speaks; but he can't, which is why he resorts to insulting those who disabuse him of certain notions which probably serve as a crutch in his life.

    then he writes:

    The topic is how much potency and relevance the term 'racist' has lost, through overuse by the ideologically bankrupt Left, like LITTLEBIGMAN.

    then Tungincheke writes:

    Maybe by your low standards you may think you have supported your argument but your claims of racism are both unsubstantiated and wildly ridiculous.

    LOL!!! How can you walk upright and lean on that crutch at the same time?

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    biglittleman

    @DS and tungincheke,

    If racism is the "soul of the republican party", perhaps you could explain why the racism which occurred in the US deep south in the 1950s and 1960s invariably occurred under DEMOCRATIC Party governors. Or how the Republican party was born as a result of the anti-slavery movement in the US....

    Here is your answer:

    When President Johnson helped pass Civil Rights legislation in the 1960s he commented that: "Well, there goes the South." He meant, of course, that now the South would become Republican as they now saw the Democrats as the party standing up for the blacks.

    Following the Civil War, the South defeated what little there was of Reconstruction when in a contested presidential election the Republicans under Hayes agreed to pull out Federal troops from the South in exchange for Hayes being president. After the troops wee gone, the whites took back any remaining outstanding power that blacks had and placed blacks in a new type of slavery: this one an economic slavery through the share-cropping system.

    Southerners have traditionally dominated American politics to a greater extent than their proportional representation entitled them, because, although they were largely members of the Democratic party (because the South was poor), they could quickly shift their weight to the Republican party to pass conservative legislation or to block liberal legislation. They voted virtually as a block and this ability gave them legislative power. Southern Democrats were pretty solidly racist and voted to keep the racist system in place.

    Following the Civil Rights legislation, the South temporarily lost some of its legislative power as its voters and politicians switched inexorably to the Republican party. This, of course, has made the Republican party even more conservative and racist than it had ever been following the death of Reconstruction.

    The South also changed its religion. As the former Democratic South changed it allegiances in politics, so did it also start to change its allegiances in religion. In the days of the anti-slavery movement, when the Anglican ministers in the South would not support racism and pro-slavery sentiment, the South changed its religions to the more personal, evangelical religions whose ministers did support racism and slavery. An insistence on maintaining a racist structure leads also to an insistence on racists values and hence racist religions. Similarly, today's Southerners are abandoning the more staid evangelical religions for the highly personalized religions characterized by the phrase "born-again Christians." Whereas, many a Methodist or Baptist preacher would not now condone racism, the Southerners don't have to worry about this with their new preachers of born-again religion.

    With the abandonment by the Southern Democrats of the Democratic party, blacks became somewhat more influential in the Democratic party, because the party was now much smaller than it had been. As a result, the Democratic party is somewhat more liberal than it used to be.

    So the division between the two parties grew. The Republican party represented the wealthy industrialists and other rich persons, the South, and a good proportion of the working class and middle-class who were concerned that blacks were getting too much privilege in this country. (I watched a lot of coverage of the 2000 elections and I heard no one discuss the obvious: the entire old Confederacy went for the Republicans, plus the more rural parts of the Midwest -- with the exception of Ohio. So Bush won the election with a combination of the two R's: ruralism and racism. The networks are both too biased and/or too afraid of losing ratings by offending the South and Midwest, apparently.)

    The Democratic party, although losing the South, did retain some of its traditional base, working class, some of the middle class, and the blacks. But by and large, the Democratic party was much weakened by the overall abandonment of the party by the South.

    The end result was that the two parties now grew very far apart from each other ideologically speaking. The Republicans now had a very strong racist backing which made the party take very conservative stances. The Democrats had a cadre of liberals that kept its ideas in the liberal camp.

    LOL! It is amazing how people are so ignorant about their own history.

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    biglittleman

    Tungincheke

    James Strom Thurmond (December 5, 1902 – June 26, 2003) was an American politician who served as governor of South Carolina and as a United States Senator. He also ran for the Presidency of the United States in 1948 as the segregationist States Rights Democratic Party (Dixiecrat) candidate, receiving 2.4% of the popular vote and 39 electoral votes. Thurmond later represented South Carolina in the United States Senate from 1954 to April 1956 and November 1956 to January 2003, at first as a Democrat and after 1964 as a Republican, switching parties as the conservative base shifted. He conducted the longest filibuster ever by a U.S. Senator in opposition to the Civil Rights Act. He later moderated his position on race, but continued to defend his early segregationist campaigns on the basis of states' rights. Republican stance and viewpoint to this day.

    Thurmond became a candidate for President of the United States on the third party ticket of the States' Rights Democratic Party, which split from the national Democrats over the proposed constitutional innovation involved in federal intervention in segregation.

    Thurmond was increasingly at odds with the Democratic Party. In a notable incident on July 9, 1964, he assaulted Texas Senator Ralph Yarborough to prevent the Senate Confirmation of a moderate from Florida. On September 16, 1964, he switched his party affiliation to Republican. He played an important role in South Carolina's support for Republican presidential candidates Barry Goldwater in 1964 and Richard Nixon in 1968. South Carolina and other states of the Deep South had supported the Democrats in every national election from the end of Reconstruction to 1960. However, discontent with the Democrats' increasing support for civil rights resulted in John F. Kennedy barely winning the state in 1960. After Kennedy's assassination, Lyndon Johnson's strong support for the Civil Rights Act and integration angered white segregationists even more. Goldwater won South Carolina by a large margin in 1964.

    BLM

    Maybe by your low standards you may think you have supported your argument but your claims of racism are both unsubstantiated and wildly ridiculous.

    LOL! Support for my claims come from what we call in the educated world call an American History book. I guess my standards are pretty low. Where does the support for your claims come from Osmosis? Ignorance shouldn't be worn like a badge of honor. LOL!

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    biglittleman

    You are right. Because it makes Republican Mark Sanford who lied to his office and family abandoned them and fled the country to Argentina to be with his lover. Republican John Ensign who came clean about his affair with his aide because her husband was trying to black mail him. And Republican Vito Fosella affair which produced a 3 year old child. Don't forget your last presidential candidate who had an affair on his ill wife, all look like Saints. Most of this came out within the last year.

    Republicans and Family Values hypocrisy at its best.

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