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flowersOct. 21, 2014 - 04:56AM JST
Whirledpeas, you seem to have a lot of twisted logics, such as:
“if Senkakus belonged to China PRC would have definitely mentioned them in that protest letter.” Only mentioned the words “Formosa or Taiwan” and “such minor islands as we determine” were enough.
“Rather the SF Treaty itemized which territory Japan had to renounce and Okinawa Prefecture was not one of them.” Okinawa had its own sovereignty, where would you think it would be renounced to? You refuted your own logic there; a main logic here is Japan is not entitled to any territories that it gained by war or by force.
“Territorial transfers are done by treaty, and no treaty had changed JPN’s sovereignty over Okinawa Prefecture.” Let me ask you this, who now has the sovereignty over Keril Islands and Dokdo Islands? Do you still think Japan still has the sovereignty? In international law, sovereignty means that a government possesses full control over affairs within a territorial or geographical area or limit so it may or may not be through treaty. Even before the congressional hearing and the reversion in 1971, it was the US position that “the treaty alone is not necessarily the final determinant of the sovereignty issue.”
“No, Okinawa was not mentioned because Okinawa was not territory that Japan was told to renounce.” Re-think you logic here, nothing was about renouncing Okinawa, it was about the limit of Japanese sovereignty.
“The fact is Japan did not steal the Senkaku islands from China, nor did Japan acquire them via the Treaty of Shimonoseki, nor as part of Taiwan. There was no violence and greed involved.” In his biography Koga Tatsushiro, the first Japanese citizen to lease the islands from the Meiji government, attributed Japan’s possession of the islands to “the gallant military victory of our Imperial forces.” The Meiji government, following a cabinet decision in early 1895, promptly incorporated the islands. Negotiations with China never took place and this decision was passed during the Sino-Japanese War. The incorporation was never made public. It took them ten years after the “claimed” discovery to incorporate the islands and the survey was not even complete. China claims a historical title to the islands on the bases of its discovery, its inclusion into its defense perimeter from Japanese pirates during the Ming dynasty, and its incorporation into China as part of Taiwan. The islands were recorded under Kavalan, Taiwan, in the Revised Gazetteer of Fujian Province of 1871 before the start of the first Sino-Japanese War. It was publicly announced. So now it is up to you to think whether it was through violence or greed. But I think it was both.
Maps can be deceiving especially historical ones. There are many distorted versions of maps especially those developed during the war or occupation. What we should consider are those maps produced by other countries not in dispute, and China has plenty of them as proofs.
Posted in: Ball in Japan's court for Xi-Abe talks: China envoy
flowersOct. 18, 2014 - 03:59AM JST
nigelboy, Your apology is accepted because I know how Japanese like to create doubts in people’s mind. My points stand, though.
flowersOct. 18, 2014 - 03:20AM JST
WhirledPeas, note that China was not a signatory to SF Peace Treaty even though Taiwan was part of China, the disputed islands were part of Taiwan, and China was one of the Allied Powers. On September 18, 1951, the Chinese government issued another statement stressing that the SF Treaty is illegal and invalid and can under no circumstances be recognized. Note also that "The Allied Powers recognize the full sovereignty of the Japanese people over Japan and its territorial waters" meant for the sovereignty of the people and territorial waters, nothing mentioned about the lands or islands.
According to international laws, Japan would not have sovereignty over the islands during the period of occupation by the US because Japan had no control of that territory. You also failed to mention Cairo and Potsdam Declarations in which China was a part of. Potsdam Declaration specifically said that "points in Japanese territory to be designated by the Allies" and "Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku, and such minor islands as we determine." Notice that Okinawa was not mentioned because its sovereignty was in question. And according to Cairo Declaration, "All the territories Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Taiwan and the Pescadores, shall be restored to the Republic of China. Japan will also be expelled from all other territories she has taken by violence and greed". When Japan returned Taiwan to China, both sides adopted the 1945 administrative arrangement of Taiwan, with the Chinese unaware that the uninhabited “Senkaku Islands” were in fact the former Diaoyu Islands. This explains the belated protest from Taipei and Beijing over U.S. administration of the islands after the war. In 1958, the Chinese government released a statement on the territorial sea, announcing that Taiwan and its adjacent islands belong to China.
So, why would China raise the issue of ownership of the islands when they were supposed to be returned to China in the first place according to the Declarations? And, why would the two leaders agreed to shelve the issue for the next generation to solve? Notice that China kept its words for decades until Japan decided to open the Pandora box. Japan and China even once agreed to explore the resources together in the disputed area.
You were right that the US had no position on the sovereignty of the islands because it can’t help Japan on that issue. Isn’t it strange that the US would take no position when Japan is a very close ally? Part of the conditions of attaining sovereignty is having effective control, but now the control is no longer effective because China has started to patrol and created the ADIZ over the area. You may think that China has become aggressive but on a contrary, China only tries to assert its sovereignty after Japan broke the agreement first.
Strangely enough you would link the incident in 2010 to the nationalization of the islands. What would you expect China to say when the incident happened in the disputed area? Japan caused it. What would you expect China to respond when Japan chose to nationalize the islands after the Chinese leader advised not to do it? Japan has broken the status quo. J gov’t has repeatedly insisted that no dispute exists, despite you and I, and the rest of the world see a major dispute, why is that? When there is “no dispute” how can China take Japan to Court? I heard Japan tried to take S Korea to Court over the disputed islands but S Korea still insisted that there was “no dispute,” now you can see how sneaky J gov’t is. Sooner or later, J gov’t will have to admit that there is a dispute because when all else failed this is the only way to save Abenomics.
flowersOct. 16, 2014 - 07:44AM JST
No concessions, no talk. The ball is in Japan’s court and it is surely a very heavy one.
flowersOct. 10, 2014 - 02:43AM JST
Abe is looking for a photo op with Xi to boost his rating. A curtesy handshake may be what he can expect. How come recently there are no more reports of Chinese incursion or aggression. No news about China bad is becoming too boring. Is China behaving nicely now? Japanese media must be in the quiet mode. Abenomics is not doing that well and if China decides to tighten the tap Abenomics will be dead in the water. Maybe at APAC Abe should try to speak Chinese to break the ice.
Posted in: Japan sees growing chance of Abe holding talks with China's Xi
flowersSep. 13, 2014 - 08:02AM JST
sfjp330, when you said with the long term approach it would be best for Russia to solve its problems with Japan, but how is that possible when Japan has to get approval from the US for every move that it makes with Russia? For Russia to bend is unlikely as Russia has the upper hand in dealing with Japan. The problems cannot be resolved as long as japan continues to be part of the West in trying to isolate Russia and there is no way that Japan can break the alliance in favour of Russia. When Russia can solve the problems with the West everything else will fall into place as far as Japan is concerned, but that scenario may only be possible if China creates a problem for Russia. China is a better bet in all cases whether it is a short term or long term because China will always be there for Russia and there is nothing that sits in between China and Russia relationship unlike with Japan where the US is always lurking in the background. Notice that China and Russia have been getting closer every day since the Ukraine crisis, and there are more and more the military drills and postponing meetings that seem to slap Japan in the face. Japan has been in the losing position in terms of economy and foreign policies while China has been gaining all along.
Posted in: Russian forces to conduct drill in east, including disputed islands with Japan
flowersSep. 13, 2014 - 04:48AM JST
overchan, who are the rest of the world? You are forgetting that Middle Kingdom is the engine of the world. You don’t want the world to stall, do you? A lot of people may be out of a job including you. Both Japan and the US need China for their economies to hum along and maintain their standard of living. Isolation is no longer work against China, as can be seen from the way the US trying to get China on board on every issue. “Why can’t we be more like China,” Obama once said.
flowersSep. 11, 2014 - 08:13AM JST
OK, we just have to make our own assumption about what high-energy objects are, right? Can someone clarify the following doubtful points for me:
How come the report did not identify what it means by “high-energy objects?” The report does not even state that the aircraft was shot down.
Missiles and machinegun rounds fired by an SU-25 are also “high-energy objects,” are they not? Radar and satellite data presented by the Russian military indicated that a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet was in the immediate vicinity and ascending towards MH17 as it was shot down. On August 9, the Malaysian New Straits Times published an article effectively charging the Kiev regime with shooting down MH17. It stated that evidence from the crash site indicated that the plane was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter with a missile followed by heavy machine gun fire. Why are there so many conflicting reports?
Was there a non-disclosure agreement signed by the four nations involved in the MH17 investigation—Ukraine, the Netherlands, Australia and Belgium? Under its terms, all intermediate results of the ongoing investigation will be classified. The document includes a stipulation that publication of the investigation’s final results would only take place if the four nations arrived at a consensus. Why all the secrecy?
The Dutch Safety Board does not address the absence of any satellite imagery or radar data, or any other evidence supplied by US intelligence agencies, which operate the most powerful global surveillance network. It is implausible, to say the least, to imagine that Washington’s vast apparatus was paying no attention to the war zone of eastern Ukraine, which is also a regular flight path for many commercial airline flights. Moreover, the US was heading a 10-day NATO exercise in the adjacent Black Sea, which concluded the day MH17 was downed. This operation specifically involved commercial traffic monitoring with sophisticated electronic intelligence and “reaction to asymmetric threat warnings, anti-submarine warfare and artillery firing.” In sharp contrast, following the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988, photographs of the area taken by a French satellite were delivered to the investigators within hours. The US Department of Defence and NASA also provided the investigation with high-resolution photographs from spy satellites. Despite Russia continually requesting that the US administration supply the investigation with the images and data it obviously possesses relating to the MH17 crash, it has refused to do so. Note that it was not credible that the US did not possess detailed knowledge of the circumstances of the crash. Are the data too sensitive to share, or do they just want to put the blame on Russia?
Posted in: Report: MH Flight 17 likely downed by 'high-energy objects'
flowersSep. 09, 2014 - 06:30AM JST
Here we go again. It’s becoming an old routine for Abe. Why does it have to do with China all the time? Don’t you find it strange by now that Abe has to follow Xi everywhere and try to copy China in the way they are doing business. Japan must have a lot of cheap patrol boats though; Abe seems to like giving them away so much in order to gain friends. That’s a true friend always expecting something in return , a non-permanent seat on the UN Security Council must be very important for Japan. Abe is looking more and more like a “stalker.” He needs to learn how to be a leader and not a follower. And, don’t say things that Japan can’t even do it, such as addressing war crimes issues to achieve “true national reconciliation.”
Posted in: Japan, Sri Lanka agree to build stronger maritime links
flowersSep. 06, 2014 - 03:47AM JST
Jerel E Rogers, my view is based on facts from western sources including statistics. Capitalism is flourished in China since it’s opened up. Is this not a fact? So your economic slavery concept would contradict your own western sources. Everyday western news shows every action that China makes with biased view I may say, and they even make their own statistics to counter China’s. But they all pointed to the same conclusion that China is getting richer faster than any country ever done in history. Their standards of living are improving at an unprecedented speed, so in a few decades their standards of living may even exceed that of the US.
It is very naïve to use population as a comparative measurement in this case. Say, India has a comparable population to China, do they have more millionaires than Japan? Based on your theory, because China has more population then there must be more smarter people in China than the US and Japan combined, is that right? The US has been spending 5 times more than China in military spending. Well, now you say the US is downsizing but have you ever thought that the US had been spending like crazy before? Based on your population measurement, shouldn’t China be spending more than the US?
Everything that China makes has been in the softer ways and tries to accommodate with the outside forces as much as possible. In the history of mankind, have you ever seen a communist authoritarian country having two political systems? China has made every attempt to prevent chaos and unrest to its population and we from the outside have been criticizing China’s way of doing things. Chinese people are happy with their lives and have the chance to travel anywhere in the world. Why do we want to force them to be like the West? Think of democracy and freedom in the Middle East, how many years already that people there have to suffer and die for the illusive concepts. I have been to many countries but the only country that I admire most is China. The way it transforms itself to this point is really remarkable. Among the three superpowers, China is the best of all. Though, it has to kill some of its own people for the sake of the majority, but every country has a history of doing that. The worse is the US which kills a lot of other people for the sake of ideology and self-interest.
You say Japan has been peaceful for the past 30 years, but have you ever thought that Japan has no choice but to be peaceful after losing the war? What we should look at is how Japan is trying to keep that peace. Provoking China, changing the constitution, involving in arms sale, stirring up conflicts with other nations against China, and military expansion are not at all conducive to peace. In fact, Japan has the choice to be friendly with all of its neighbours and benefit from the combined economic forces in Asia, but it chose to go the other route which is against peace. I am telling you without China, you would have seen troubles all around in Asia, such as India vs. Pakistan, Vietnam vs. Cambodia, and North Korea vs. South Korea. You should be more open minded and don’t think that what you read in the western news are the facts. As they say, there are two sides to every story.
Posted in: China's top leaders remember victory over Japan
flowersSep. 05, 2014 - 05:53AM JST
Jerel E Rogers, “I disagree. Your allegiance is to who you swear it to. It has no bearing on where you were born at all.” In this case, allegiance has nothing to do with the war between China and Japan. We are talking about a country fighting with another country so to distinguish between the Nationalists and the Red Army who are both Chinese is absolutely absurd. In a larger context, if your parents are Chinese no matter where you are you will always be considered to be Chinese by the people around you. In the US during the war, do you know what happened to the Japanese Americans? They were gathered and locked up in camps, so allegiance to whom I may ask? I have no idea of what you are saying about “policies of economic slavery,” all I know is China was able to lift over 500 million people out of poverty in a very short period of time; that was an unprecedented economic miracle. Only within a few decades, now there are more millionaires in China than in Japan. Chinese people also know about the killing in China by the Chinese government, but the Japanese people seem to be ignorant about the killing that their people committed in China. What China and Korea do is commendable in order to prevent the history from repeating out of the Japanese own ignorance. You also seem to know that America’s protection is weakening, so what did the Japanese government do? They allow the US to expand their bases, sell arms to destabilize the region, and boost up military. All in the name of peace, considering this it is Japan that is the root cause of all the conflicts in the region. Without Japan the region would be very peaceful, but without China the region would be like in the Middle East. Yes, Japan used to be peaceful but no more. Abe went around the world trying to cause friction against China. Again and again China has to respond, and you seem to see China in a negative way with one sided view. It has nothing to do with grudges either. As Deng used to say, “we can forgive but we will not forget.”
flowersSep. 04, 2014 - 04:28AM JST
Common guys, it really doesn’t matter which political parties actually fought the Japanese, both the Chinese Nationalists and Chinese Red Army are “Chinese”. When you were born Chinese, you will always be Chinese. Here, we are talking about a country fighting with another country and not a political party fighting with another party. China was a victor in that war, no matter what perverse excuses or denials you can come up with. China wants the people to learn from mistakes about the war and not to repeat the same mistakes again. Because of the recent changes in Japan China has to respond this way.
flowersAug. 21, 2014 - 07:00AM JST
Saketown, “Sometime last August 2013.” As far as I know China did not have a warship in the area to confront the US, especially with Russia. If the story is true, please provide the source.
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flowersAug. 21, 2014 - 06:17AM JST
Saketown, “When Washington moved warships near Syria, Russia and China moved their warships in front of our warships.” What warships? When did this happen?
flowersAug. 20, 2014 - 05:14AM JST
sfjp330, “trade between Japan and China is expected to grow this year for the first time in three years, but won't likely reach the level before a territorial dispute erupted in 2012. Japanese exports to China grew 2.5% to $78 billion in the first half of 2014 from the same period a year earlier, according to Jetro.” I don’t know how you would get the idea that “the trade values with Japan are secondary,” when it comes to “money” everything else is secondary for China. Japanese corporations have lost their market shares in China because of their own bad choices. Yes, diversification is good in the long run, but to re-focus away from growing Chinese markets now is a bad decision that Japan Inc has made.
Posted in: No. of Japanese living in China drops 10% amid island dispute
flowersAug. 09, 2014 - 06:01AM JST
sfjp330, you talk about “glass ceiling,” I read somewhere recently that China has set its sight to be the most innovative country in the world. So, the course is set to tackle the problems that impeding innovation. Now I can see that China is not just copying the products they have improve them as well. China has all of the ingredients, such as money, people, infrastructure, systems and knowledge to be the best in the world. You talked about the political system; I think for the time being its political system is best suited for China because of its massive population and size. Its system provides efficiency and effectiveness in getting things done in the timely manner. China is now a capitalist country, despite people think that it is an authoritarian state. Its markets seem to be even more competitive than the US.
Posted in: Showdown with China looms at regional security summit
flowersAug. 09, 2014 - 04:55AM JST
scipantheist, so you can’t even name one. I tell you among the three world powers (US, Russia, and China) China is the best of all. It doesn’t go around and kill other people incessantly. China has the potential to be the world leader, you will see in the decade to come. Why do think they are scared of China? Think in terms of arms industry, who got the most benefits from promoting “China threat”? Both the US and Japan are benefiting from it. And, no one in their right minds would like the way Japan is dealing with its history. Talking about hurting, Japan is basically hurting itself. Majority of Chinese people like Japan and I don’t see any group that is formed to promote hatred against Japanese people, but I heard Japan has such a group. You mentioned about “community” that is the concept that China is promoting not “alliance”. So, people seem to think that China is all alone and has no ally. China doesn’t go around and create or promote wars, so China only has friends and not enemy.
flowersAug. 09, 2014 - 04:16AM JST
OssanAmerica, how many times that Abe went around and bad-mouthed China? We all know that all these disputes have been in existence for decades. But after the US announced its “pivot to Asia,” Japanese gov’t just got tired of status quo and nationalized the islands knowing all full well how China would react. The Philippines parked their rusty ship right in the disputed area with their people living on it. What did Japan do? It provides financial assistance and free stuff just for the Philippines to be on its good side. And freebies for everyone who would turn against China, now Vietnam got some too. Most recently Japanese jets shadowed unarmed Chinese aircraft. There have been many instances that Japan has provoked China if only China would behave like Russia, I believe Japanese govn’t would instantly shut their mouths and behave.
flowersAug. 09, 2014 - 02:59AM JST
scipantheist, what is it about revenge? Chinese leader had said before that the Chinese would forgive but they will not forget. The problem is Japanese gov’t tries so hard to convince its citizens and the world to forget its awful past. That is not the right way to go. That leads China to prepare for the worst. The key player in all these disputes is the US. The US has poked its nose everywhere and caused so much trouble and suffering for the people there. Without the US standing behind the curtain, none of these disputes would have been escalated up to this point. Think about it carefully, what China has been doing is quite normal for a country to assert its sovereignty, especially when it’s being provoked over and over again. Talking about “aggressive,” think if China behaved like Russia there wouldn’t be words going back and forth like this, only bloodshed and Chinese gunships everywhere. Anyway, every nation in the world whether civilized or uncivilized they all want to have something to do with China. Can you name one country that does not welcome China or being an enemy of China, just one?
flowersJul. 19, 2014 - 02:26AM JST
“The shooting down of civilian aircraft is extremely rare,“ how could it be extremely rare? Russia did it in 1983, South Korean airliner was shot down, 269 people perished. The US also shot down an Iranian airliner in 1988 killing 290 people. And, it happened twice in Ukraine already, maybe they are getting used to doing this sort of killing. Now, I wonder whether next time China would be added to the list, but maybe that would be extremely unlikely.
Posted in: Global anger intensifies over downed Malaysia Airlines jet
Oct. 21, 2014 - 07:20PM JST
It's new the way it works now - it's quite seamless.
Posted in: New iPhones deliver big profits for Apple
Oct. 21, 2014 - 07:18PM JST
Question all of it all the time.
And don't forget your tinfoil hat.
Posted in: Planet marks hottest September since 1880: U.S.
Oct. 21, 2014 - 07:16PM JST
What a display of fear and self-loathing from a bullying little pr@ck.
When Hashimoto challenged him…
Posted in: Hashimoto, Zaitokukai chairman get into shouting match
Oct. 21, 2014 - 07:15PM JST
The first time you get hit, leave. And take the children
Posted in: SDF member arrested over murder of wife
do we have case law to show the law was really broken?
Do you mean case…
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