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goodDonkey
Wait a minute. I hope I did not send a mixed message concerning Sarge's comment. The sarcasm was not meant against Sarge in any way. Let me try that again.
Sarge said:
I could not agree more.
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goodDonkey
sailwind said:
Good luck convincing people of that too.
Sometimes it is obsession with Bush! Other times it is MEDIA BIAS! Now it is "blatant hypocrisy on display from the left."
But all the rest of hear, "Sour grapes!" "Sour Grapes here!" "Sour Grapes!" "Step up and get your Sour Grapes!" "Sour grapes here!" "Sour Grapes!" "Sour ..........!"
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goodDonkey
sailwind said:
Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush and Obama = Bush.
sailwind said:
You should learn to read English. It is clear to everyone I was saying Obama did not put prisoners in Gitmo. Leave me a message when he does. IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
sailwind said:
Obama did not put them in there. He is forced to straighten out this mess. You are changing the issue because you lost this one. Every time you say Obama is doing the same as Bush in Gitmo you will be wrong. Everyone can recognize it. OBAMA DID NOT PUT ANY PRISONERS IN GITMO.
NEXT POST sailwind says: Obama is just continuing Obama's policies in GITMO.
I'll say: OBAMA DID NOT PUT ANY PRISONERS IN GITMO.
saiwind said:
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I guess if you can't win an argument by using my words you will just have to continue to tell people I said things I never said or what now "(paraphrasing) I am suddenly cool with something I never was before," let's just have some quotes from me on that shall we. What I suggested was a special court and Defense Attorneys with security clearances - a long time ago I suggested this. What I said before was that the Democratic Congress was wrong not to take responsibility for America's prisoners. We have no business housing them in Cuba. Cuba does not want us there, that is a separate issue. But it is immoral and unethical to force our prisoners onto their land.
sailwind cannot support his statement on Obama continuing Bush's policies so he tries his damnedest to change the subject. I agree he used the topic of the article. But I do think we need a terror interrogation unit that will implement the new procedures of NOT TORTURING PEOPLE.
In the Past I acknowledged:
That it would be very difficult to bring some prisoners to trial.
That torture was wrong.
That housing these prisoners at Gitmo was wrong.
That every prisoner should be entitled to a preliminary hearing to determine there status. One status may be: no trial until the war is over or other circumstances allow.
I will sign an affidavit stating I have said all those things. sailwind cannot quote me on anything he says I said. Why is that? I can't tell you why or they will remove my post. But you all know why.
I said this specifically because of TOP SECRET information that the defendant should be entitled access to. I suggested that the Defense Attorney should be required to hold a security clearance. I believe that not only should special courts be formed where the Judge and jury also have security clearances but the defendant is not allowed to hear the secret information but his attorney is allowed to present it outside the defendants presence.
I unequivocally state that I think it is wrong for Obama or any one else to imprison someone without a preliminary hearing determining their status.
I never had a problem with P.O.W.'s being held. But Bush refused to classify them as P.O.W.'S didn't he?
MANY FUTURE POSTS sailwind says:
Obama is just continuing Obama's policies in GITMO.
I'll say: OBAMA DID NOT PUT ANY PRISONERS IN GITMO.
MANY FUTURE POSTS sailwind says:
It is pretty obvious you approve of Obama holding people without charges, no hope of trial and just left to rot in legal limbo
I'll say: Good luck convincing people of that. Come up with a quote from me or provide evidence that proves I would support such a statement. Put up or Shut up.
And I saved the best for last.
sailwind said:
How could I possibly have time for that when you continue to try to state that Obama is continuing Bush's policies?
I have had to take the time to prove that you are a .... Oh wait I can't say. Why is that? I can't tell you why or they will remove my post. But you all know why.
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goodDonkey
USNinJapan2 said:
You don't have to be in the service to understand many things related to the military. But since you bothered to bring it up, I was in the service. I was a Sgt.
USNinJapan2 said:
It had nothing to do with the election. I said I had respect for him concerning his behavior; logic might have suggested to you that I used hem as a perfect example of an honorable P.OW.. I guess it puts you into too precarious position to actually comment on him. McCain acted perfectly honorable. Look I have respect for you also. I have noticed that you are very knowledgeable on many subjects. I wrote about 5 different comments since I first noticed your initial comment and did not send them because I did not think I had found a way to be respectful to you. I could debate you on this for days but to what avail? Suffice it to say that I think I am being honest and realistic and I think you are being idealistic. I refuse to believe you or your marine friend do not have a breaking point that would render the same results. It is simply a matter of degree; a matter of how high is any given person's threshold. Why in the world would our very best, the best of the best, trained agents have needed to carry cyanide?
Sarge said:
Hear hear Sarge! By the way real men don't cry either and bears in the woods are infallible.
By the way USNinJapan2 I am not going to lose any respect for you on this issue. I have no doubt that your intentions are honorable and that it is actually true patriotism that motivates you.
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goodDonkey
sailwind said:
Yeah right you are not obsessed with Bush. Oh but you were just putting it in the "right context."
sailwind said:
You never did. That's the point.
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(yet another Bush related comment by sailwind - wasn't he the one always going on and on about being obsessed with Bush) sailwind said:
Yeah right you are not obsessed with Bush. Oh but you were just putting it in the "right context."
sailwind said:
I had no idea Obama has put or is putting prisoners in Gitmo; that would be Bush policy. I thought he requested 80 million dollars to close Gitmo and was turned down. That is not Bush policy.
sailwind has zero credibility.
I guess everyone agrees sailwind just can't get over those sour grapes.
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goodDonkey
Sen. McCain said he signed a statement saying, "I am a war criminal; I bombed innocent women and children." McCain admitted this in a 60 Minutes interview.
I have absolutely no condemnation for McCain and have always had high regard for his behavior during his captivity. I have to laugh at anyone who can convince themselves of exactly what they would do in a similar situation. I guess if this kind of fantasy makes one feel like a hero they should join with any close Marine or anyone else who can share the fantasy. No one knows what they would do. We have people who comment on JT with actual combat experience. I would defer to them. I believe timorborder has extensive combat experience but I could be mistaken.
TALK IS CHEAP! Get a P.O.W. to condemn then I will listen. Unfortunately this is not the first time this issue has come up and I am getting to be an old man. I have seen P.O.W.'s comment on this but I have never seen one condemn others for a trivial unpatriotic statement like this.
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goodDonkey
Helter_Skelter said:
Nah, I'll stick to the topic and enjoy a very special moment in history that I watched happen.
I also remember the astronauts bouncing as they countered the lower gravity on the moon. At the time I wished I could be doing the same with my friends.
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goodDonkey
sarge said:
Typical sarge, instead of celebrating this historic moment with other human beings from nations across the earth, he must relish in the "fact" that he is better than other people from other nations. He is American. He did absolutely nothing to help the U.S. get to the moon but he is better then other citizens of the world. He must live vicariously through the U.S. government accomplishments. Why is that sarge? Many of us know why other people live vicariously through others, perhaps you have the same motivations. On the other hand I think it is wonderful that this celebration knows no borders. It shouldn't. It was a human accomplishment. I have no more right to claim it as an American than others that are not Americans unless I help get them up there or was there.
If sarge had stepped on the moon first he would have said, "That's one small step for man; one giant leap for America."
Helter_Skelter said:
Keep up the negativity. You do it so well. Well you be setting up another negativity scene this year for the holidays?
I was 10 years old soon to be 11 when I watched the lunar landing on the moon. I watched it with my family crowded around a black and white television set (my farther was frugal). I thought it was early in the morning but I can't say. We had watched so many of the Apollo rockets take off and other Apollo events as they occured; I know many were early in the morning. Then at elementary school we would all talk about it all day long asking each other if they got up to watch the launch etc. It is funny looking back at it now. All of us kids had no doubt that we were going to land on the moon; we knew the timetable of events. I bet many of our parents weren't quite as sure. It must have been hard to believe if you were born within a decade or two of the introduction of the mass production of automobiles. I remember the anticipation of each stage of the rocket.
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goodDonkey
sarge said:
Good ole sarge and his qualifiers. He hates using them but if you push him enough, out they come.
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goodDonkey
Score one for sailwind. Although I suspect he had the information from the very beginning and was just baiting and waiting for the challenge. Although it does not change the fact that Obama is not just following Bush's policy because he did not fill up Gitmo and has not receded in his desire to empty the prison. He tried months ago as most people know to get the funding through Congress to do so. sailwind used Gitmo as an example of Obama following Bush policy. No that would be Congress. The simple fact that Obama attempted to get legislation to fund the closing of Gitmo is a complete reversal of Bush's policy. Bush never would have sought funding to close Gitmo, now would he? So sailwind's example of Gitmo falls flat on it's ass in spite of Obama's broken campaign promise.
I knew there would be no response on the fact that America is not taking responsibility for capturing these guys. They are being held in a country that does not even want us on their soil. Yes indeed, I include Democrats. Congressional members lack the fortitude to own up to America's responsibility of either housing prisoners where they were captured or on their own soil. I don't give a crap who agrees with me. I believe America obviated their responsibility, in the world, by dumping prisoners in a county's back yard with whom they were estranged. It disgusted me to see the Congressmen recoil even though I did agree that a prison holding an actual terrorist or operative, whatever you want to call some of them, could be a target for terrorists.
So again sailwind congrats on your victory of citing a reference of an Obama campaign promise. It had absolutely nothing to do with proving that Obama is following Bush's policies and even less to do with the article.
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goodDonkey
SuperLib said:
Never mind my "lectures on the law." I posted the law itself.
Whoever said anything about Obama doing anything about it? This thread is on the House of Representatives conducting an investigation. I guess you are still having problems distinguishing the branches of government.
PROVIDING INFORMATION TO CONGRESS
SEC. 605. [50 U.S.C. 425] Nothing in this title may be construed as authority to withhold information from the Congress or from a committee of either House of Congress.
SuperLib, we know you won't get those pesky facts get in the way of your opinion.
My interest lies in the House of Representatives investigating the matter and divulging the truth. I hope the Senate opens an investigation also.
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goodDonkey
Translation: She would not say what I wanted her to say.
skipthesong said:
Go skip!
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goodDonkey
Sounds very cool to me. Very historic moment for Britain.
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goodDonkey
sarge said:
United States: Anthrax attacks on the offices the United States Congress and New York State Government offices, and on employees of television networks and tabloids.
United States, May: Luke Helder injures 6 by placing pipebombs in mailboxes in the Midwest. Motivation to protest government control over daily lives and the illegality of marijuana and promotion of astral projection
United States, July 4: An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing two Israelis before being killed himself.
United States, October: John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo conduct the Beltway Sniper Attacks, killing ten people in various locations throughout the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area from October 2 until they are arrested on October 24.
United States, October 1: Joel Henry Hinrichs III detonated a bomb near the packed football stadium at the University of Oklahoma in Norman, Oklahoma killing himself in the process.
United States: Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.
United States: An Afghani Muslim hit 19 pedestrians, killing one, with his SUV in the San Francisco Bay area.
A teenage gunman kills five bystanders and wounds four more in a popular shopping center before being shot dead by police in the Trolley Square shooting in Salt Lake City, Utah.
A pair of improvised explosive devices are thrown at the Mexican Consulate in New York City. The fake grenades were filled with black powder and detonated by fuses, causing very minor damage. Police investigate the connection between this and a similar attack against the British Consulate in New York in 2005.[111]
Knoxville, Tennessee. Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting, Jim David Adkisson kills 2 people and injures 7 in Knoxville, Tennessee.
Dalton, Georgia An explosion at a personal injury law firm in downtown Dalton, Ga., injured four people, including at least one lawyer, and resulted in the death of the apparent bomber in what a federal law enforcement spokesman described as a suicide attack.
Woodburn, Oregon. Woodburn police Capt. Tom Tennant, and Oregon State Police bomb technician Bill Hakim were killed, and Woodburn Police Chief Scott Russell was critically injured after a bomb exploded at the West Coast Bank Branch in Woodburn. Customer Service Manager Laurie Ann Perkett was taken, and later released from the hospital after being hit by shrapnel. The explosion happened just before 5:30 p.m. while Hakim and Tennant were trying to open the bomb, which Hakim felt confident was not a bomb. Officers were on the scene investigating a bomb threat called in to the bank at 5:00 p.m., when the explosion occurred. There had been an earlier bomb threat at a Wells Fargo branch at 10:19 a.m. Joshua Turnidge and his father, Bruce Turnidge were charged with the murders.
West Memphis, Arkansas, United States. Trent P. Pierce Chairman of the Arkansas State Medical Board was critically injured in a car bombing that occurred in his drive way. There are reports that he received serious injuries to his abdomen and face, but no internal trauma was reported. No one else was wounded in the blast.
Victorville, California, United States. An improvised explosive device went off inside a federal prison in California during a search Saturday, according to federal authorities. No one was injured, the authorities told CNN. The incident happened in the recreation area of the Victorville Federal Penitentiary. Bureau of Prisons spokesperson Traci Billingsley said the device was found by a staff member during a “routine search of inmate property”. She said it “detonated upon discovery.”
New York City A small explosive device exploded out front of a Starbucks in New York City destroying a bench it had been placed on. No injuries or deaths were reported in the blast that brings fears of terrorism.
Little Rock, Arkansas Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, an American Muslim opened fire on a U.S. military recruiting office. Private William Long was killed and Private Quinton Ezeagwula was wounded.
Washington D.C. 88-year-old white supremecist fires shots in the Holocaust Memorial building. Kills guard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listofterroristincidents,2009
And that doesn't include the recent slaying of the doctor by the nut bag in Kansas.
AGAIN!
(credit to taka313)
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goodDonkey
sailwind, Oh I thought you were going to post a link to where you claim Obama said he would close Gitmo in 100 days. There are a whole lot of references to where he said he would close it in one year.
I guess you were have another "sailwind moment."
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goodDonkey
SuperLib said:
Oh that clears things up. I did not know you supported the war in Iraq. It clears a lot of things up.
You will debate "when the mood strikes me" but others should "get over it." How very revealing.
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goodDonkey
sailwind said:
Saying "they aren't in a hurry about that" is a false premise. Obama would like to pull more troops out of Iraq in less time. He is trying to preserve the United States' reputation. He would like all the troops out now. It is so inaccurate to compare someone who never would have placed troops there in the first place to someone who sent the troops there. I expected Obama to do the right thing when I voted for him and try to preserve as much order in Iraq as possible. Obama is also following agreements made by Bush. That is a long held tradition in world politics; it is a sign of integrity and allows other nations to see that we maintain as much continuity as possible between administrations. It has nothing to do with maintaining Bush policies; it has everything to do with trying to respect Iraq after we made a egregious error. It has everything to do with trying to maintain the trust of other nations. It does not get any more disingenuous then holding Obama to a standard when he had no option of turning back the hands of time and never having entered Iraq.
Obama attempted to appropriate funds to relocate the Gitmo prisoners. He was unable to accomplish that task. That is all that needs to be said to reasonable people. I prefer to address them rather then one of the most partisan persons that comments on JT. sailwind said, "the detainees are still being held without charges, because he can't figure out what to do with them either." This is simply not true. He can't go forward with his plans at the moment and that is not the same as not figuring it out. Once again Obama is cleaning up a mess he did not make. He is not following Bush's policy. Bush's policy was to populate the Gitmo prisons. Obama never did that. Bush's policy was to go to war in Iraq. Obama never did that. sailwind likes to take small details and compare them to a huge Bush policy and say they are equal. Most people know better than that.
sailwind said in reference to closing Gitmo:
If you are going to make such bold statements I wish you would back them up with references. I am not saying Obama did not say that; I am saying that many of us will not believe it until you show proof. Many of us have shown you proof of many things.
It is also extremely disingenuous to claim Obama does not have certain policies because he cannot immediately accomplish them. sailwind said, "Obama isn't exactly doing anything much different then Bush did except fine tuning on what that administration had put in place." When Gitmo is closed sailwind will have been wrong now. Obama said he planned to do it in a year's timetable. When Obama pulls troops out of Iraq sailwind will be wrong. Claiming Obama is following Bush's policies is erroneous. Just because it takes time and an enormous effort to accomplish massive undertakings like pulling troops from Iraq or because it is extremely difficult to make America take responsibility for the prisoners they captured and detained does not equate to following Bush policy. It is shameful to keep a prison in a country that does not even want our presence instead of taking responsibility for your actions.
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goodDonkey
SuperLib said:
Pure conjecture on your part. I actually posted the law. You start out with "No one knows..." and follow up with nothing but conjecture and speculation. I do know for a fact that Congress is entitled to know everything. I do know the media reported Pannetta said Cheney directed the CIA to withhold information.
PROVIDING INFORMATION TO CONGRESS
SEC. 605. [50 U.S.C. 425] Nothing in this title may be construed as authority to withhold information from the Congress or from a committee of either House of Congress.
The executive branch is not allowed to order or direct agencies to break the law. Typical SuperLib. He has determined that this is political. He has determined it is obsessive to be protective of the constitution where it has at its core a separation of powers. I posted the law itself. If Cheney directed the CIA to withhold information as has been alleged then he broke the law.
SuperLib said:
I am over myself. That is why I spend huge portions of time researching and delivering facts along with my opinion. That is why I have admitted to making mistakes in the past. I do my best to get my facts straight and when I screw up I eventually humble myself into admitting my mistakes. And that is why when you say "get over yourself" it will not deter me from stating a heartfelt desire to expose Cheney as someone who didn't give a rat's ass about the constitution. I took the time to dig for facts that prove my opinions are based on the law and the original intent of the constitution. SuperLib why don't you spend some time reading the Federalist Papers and gain a respect for a constitution that puts the highest value on the rule of law and not the rule of the executive at the top.
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goodDonkey
We will never learn from our mistakes if we don't evaluate what we did in the past and determine what was successful and where we failed. I want to learn from any mistakes Bush has made. I don't like the Democratic Congress' repeat of surveillance procedures in legislation they enacted that Bush used and I find reprehensible.
I am far less critical of Bush than I am of Cheney. Even when I am highly critical of Bush it may not be evident that I think he lacks the subversive intent that I have seen in Cheney. I don't recall Bush continuing to claim linkage between al Qaida and Iraq the way Dick did when the facts were known to the contrary. But it sure pleased the conservative base. I found Dick and the base disgusting. Dick because he was a bold faced liar and the base because they chose to remain ignorant.
I don't think we need to shield Bush insofar as not thoroughly looking into what was done and what failed. But I personally would not want to see charges brought up against Bush; even for some unethical behavior that may be uncovered. I feel very differently about Cheney. I have seen ample evidence of deception and violation of the public trust. Part of that hinges on Pannetta not having lied about Cheney directing the CIA to break a law which I have posted that clearly states information must not be withheld. For myself it all boils down to intent. If you have ordered an agency to break the law you should be prosecuted. With great power comes great responsibility.
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goodDonkey
SuperLib said:
I am amazed at how many times Superlib comments on foreigners; amazed at how many times SuperLib has commented on others commenting on Bush. I am amazed at how often SuperLib comments on the reasons others comment and how little time he spends presenting facts. I see so many JT posters presenting facts; facts that actually took a bit of research. It is enlightening to get further exposure to facts and references to the sources. It bores me to hell to hear a steady stream of comments on others opinions and presentation of facts and so little willingness to actually give opinions about the news article itself that one might have to defend. Oh but SuperLib defends; don't get me wrong. It may be some insignificant detail but he defends. I have seen him defend an insignificant detail post after post and then when he is proven wrong he states that you are challenging an insignificant detail. But he was the one who brought it up. He was the one unable to let it go - until he was exposed by the facts.
Another thing that must be obvious to every regular poster here is SuperLib's constant claims of being a moderate, constant criticism of liberal attacks on conservatives and a near total lack of criticism of the conservative attacks on liberals EXCEPT WHEN HE IS DEFENDING HIS VOTE FOR OBAMA.
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