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hermitage
(sorry for the last too lengthy message).
OssanULTRA wrote:
This doesn't work, as the U.S. today has a neutral policy about this dispute about the islets.
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hermitage
bibric, Thanks for the good comments. I am a Japanese, and unlike rightwingers that have upserged in recent years in Japan, I agree that Japan was responsible for many nasty bad conducts before and during WWII; conspiracies, murders, tortures, etc....
The bad, bureaucratic conservatism of the Japanese politics, as many here have pointed out, was not too bad, in the sense of war and peace. The government was not so adventurous to begin a war.
But how adventurous have other Asian countries been? Japan kept the peace in East Asia by not initiating any military action.
Was Syngman Rhee more peace-loving than the contemporary Japanese prime ministers? Are the South and North Korean governments more peace-loving than Japan today?
You should look at the reality of Japan today, not the illusion produced by your or your government.
Moderator: Please stay on topic. Your post should refer to the disputed islets.
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hermitage
To say briefly, many Japanese people are tired of hearing histerical voices of the people obsessed by megalomania again and again.
Japan wants its neighboring countries to be calm, well-balanced and practical, though there can be some differences in opinion.
Farewell to the hysteria.
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hermitage
No, thanks. Serious Japanese nationals are too busy to join the spree in Seoul. When the megalomaniac symptom in the Korean politics is remedied, we will talk with S. Korea again about more practical and valuable issues. See you then.
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hermitage
Fanatic nationalists on both sides cannot see the reality of the history. How good was Syngma Rhee, who gave S. Korean the tiny rocks of Takeshima? How really good he was?
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hermitage
"Japan acts like a little kid who just got a toy taken away ! Whinin and blubberin with no real logical discussion taking place."
Please tell the fanatic activists crying before the embassy of Japan in Seoul, of the meaning of the "logical discussion", and ask them why they are not "a little kid who just got a toy taken away".
Which side is more mature is very obvious. Calm down.
Yes, the voice of "Calm down" can be seen only from the Japan side. This proves the maturity.
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hermitage
BTW, the Treaty of Peace with Japan in 1951 doesn't say Japan must renounce the territory of Takeshima. There's no reason for S. Korean's continuing occupying Takeshima.
However, unlike S. Koeran protesters, we do not think the issue can heavily affect the Japan-Korea relation. The issue is just one of many issues. There are more important issues such as North Korean nuclear weapons.
S. Korean activists lack balance in viewing things happening in the world.
Calm down. Takeshima/Dodko won't go away.
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hermitage
The main reason why S. Korea refuses to discuss the issue at ICJ (International Court of Justice) is that the Syngman Rhee Line was totally irrational and unreasonable.
Yes, the Japanese colonialism and anexation of Korea by Japan was injustice totally. However, not all S. Korean assertions cannot be justified. Each issue needs verification and scrutiny.
If S. Korea does not agree with Japan's claim, she must agree to discuss it at ICJ, before occupying the island.
S. Korea's policy is a doble-tongue policy. On the one hand, they criticize Japan's bad conducts in the past, but on the other hand, they justify their irrational and inconsisting conducts such as occupation of the Takeshima island.
Let's go to ICJ! Japan will follow the final decision at the court! It's strange the state appeals to military force to occupy the island criticizes Japan's annexation of Korea in the past. Use your logics, instead of military force. Let's discuss at ICJ.
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hermitage
westurn,
"Japan appears selfish and immature when it digs its heels into minor riffs like this one."
So, which do you mean? Japan should have protected the island by using her army, when S. Korea started occupying and controlling the island? Or, you mean, Japan should stop insiting on her rights on the island?
You seem not to understand the long history of this dispute. See the following url: http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-paci/takeshima/index.html
Also, Japan has proposed to discuss it at International Court of Justice in 1954. See the following: http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-paci/takeshima/proposal.html
In spite of the long history of this disptute, Japan has not ever unecessarily enlarged this issue, not to make it affect larger, more important elements in the Japan-S.Korea relation.
Even if the Japanese government's policy about Takeshima is unchanged, there are different opnions among Japanese people. People think that the issue is just one issue, and should not affect the basic principle to build better relations with East Asian countries.
It's very natural that there are territory issues between the two adjacent countries. But it should not affect the entire direction of the relationship between the countries. This idea is commonly shared by many people as well as by the Japanese government.
People protesting against the Japanese embassy in Seoul should understand that such a protest is not necessary at all. It's nonsense. It's too emotional. It's too hasty. Japan won't attack Korea to recapture the island, because it's nonsense, illegal, impractical, and wasteful.
I believe Japan's colonialism was a failure, and injustice. However, today's S. Korean's reaction to this issue is eccentric. The true enemy is in North Korea that is oppressing people in North Korea. Why do you benefit the tyrant in North Korea by worsening the Japan-S.Korea relation? What are you thinking?
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hermitage
No one in Japan is angry about S. Korean policies as well as their recent reaction to this issue. They are just embarrassed and disappointed.
On the issue, they have their own opinions not all of which match the government's official policy perfectly. Just that. Some of them may strongly agree with the government's policy about Takeshima, but others may not, and just that.
They are not angry at all. They are just sighing, seeing fanatic and unbalanced, excessively emotional reactions by S. Korean people. Then, they utter: "Oh, how do they cope with more important issues such as North Korean nuclear weapons?. . . ."
Calm down, please. Takeshima won't go away.
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hermitage
Unnecessarily becoming emotional and over-react to this kind of issue is a typical symptom of immaturity. Both sides, calm down. Not to benefit the real tyrant in the north.
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hermitage
Insisting on its ownership is not a too bad thing. Japan won't attack Takeshima/Dokdo, anyway. Korea will continue controlling the island.
So, it's not a thing for S. Koreans to be over-heated and emotional. Calm down. Don't make the Japan-Korea relation worse, because it will benefit the bloody tyrant in the north only.
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hermitage
Ecodrive, okay, so let's go to ICJ. Japan will follow their final decision, if any. Anyway, this is just one of many issues. It's very natural two adjacent states have such an conflicting issue. Calm down. Don't benefit the tyrant in the north.
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hermitage
I think S. Korean people today should restore the balanced understanding of the political situations in the East Asia.
Takeshima/Dokdo won't go away. Japan won't take it in spite of her opinion about the territory.
Why S. Korean people benefit North Korean and PRC by worsening the Japan-Korea relation unnecessarily.
Calm down. The issue of Takeshima/Dodko is just one of many issues, and there are more important issue. Open your eyes, and restore your balance!
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hermitage
ecodrive, "SKoreans are up in arms against Japan's sneaky moves"
Why can they do it? They already control and occupy the island. Japan did not intend to recapture the island by force. They just printed their official opinion that has long been official in a guidebook for educational organizations. So, even if S. Korean's assertion is correct and Japan's is wrong, why can they justify their being "up in arms against" Japan's "sneaky moves"? Before they lift their arms, why don't they try to use their "speech" and "logic", instead of "arms"? Why do they refuse to discuss it at the ICJ?
Why are they so up-heated? Isn't it unnecessary? Japan's constitution prohibits the government to use its military force to solve any international conflicts. So, there's no possibility of Japan's self-defence army attacks Takeshima/Dodko. It's not just legally but also economically, practically nonsense for Japan to take such an hopless adventurous military action.
Most Japanese people, including those who want to have better relation with S. Korea, are disappointed at the S. Korean fanatic, over-heated, emotional reactions to this issue. Why do S. Korean people try to impair the Japan-Korea relation and benefit North Korea that has been severely oppressiing North Korean people, just because of this issue?
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hermitage
Yes, it's a big surprise. “There is no question about our sovereign rights to Dokdo because we effectively control it.”
How this faithfully resembles the logic of the horrible, bloody and fanatic ancien regime of the Japanese Imperialism!
Yes, you are right, Mr. Han. Today's pacifist government of Japan formed after the WWII does not have the legitimacy and power to recapture Takeshima/Dokdo, without bring the issue to the ICJ. We, including even those who believes Japan's assertion about the island is 100% correct, don't think this current state is a shame. Rather, we are glad to know that we could be freed from the fanatic nationalism that instigates the people to appeal to military force to solve problems.
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hermitage
Yes, both sides must be calm about this, because the issue has no solution at all. The Japanese government has to insist on her rights about the islands in principle, but what she wants to solve most is more practical issues such as fishing. It's totally nonsense to worsen the Japan-Korean relation for this island issue.
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hermitage
It's nonsense to overheat this discussion. Because: 1. Its worsening the Japan-Korea relation benefits only the North Korean tyranny.
The issue is just one of many issues between the neighboring countries.
Japan says, "It should be mine". Korea says, "No, it's mine". Just that.
In fact, S. Korea occupies Takeshima/Dokdo today. And, Japan cannot deprive S. Korea of the island by force, because of the Japanese constitution, and many other economical, financial, practical reasons.
So, it's nonsense to make the issue a symbol of Japan's colonialism or imperialism. Because, such things no longer exist, at least about the islands. The truth is just that two countries have different opinions about the possession of the islands.
S. Korean people, why are you so over-heated? Whatever the Japanese government insists about the islands, Japan won't try to invade Korea again, because it's leagally and practically impossible.
Over-heating the controversy will just benefit North Korea. As long as the North Korean tyranny survives, people in North Korean won't be liberated. Do you understand this simple fact?
Regarding the today's Japanese government as an imperialist, militaristic state is just a nonsense illusion.
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hermitage
Having introduced the standpoint of the Japanese government, I really agree that there are some unclear points about the Takeshima/Dokdo territory issue. And, as like many other similar issues, it will not be possible to solve it soon at once. So, I think it important to understanding the following points:
I think the current reaction to the issue by South Koreans is excessive and too emortional. It will effective just in making the North Korean tyranny prolong. It will bad for North Korean people, they won't be liberated soon.
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hermitage
The Marion wrote: "I feel things will calm down when the United States gains a new President and the United Nations come to their senses."
If you read the following page of the Japanese government, you can understand Japan's position more in detail. http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-paci/takeshima/index.html
Also, regarding United Nations, you should read the following page: http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-paci/takeshima/proposal.html
Japan already proposed to ROK that we should solve the issue at the International Court of Justice. But ROK refused to do so.
It says:
In September 1954, Japan proposed, with a note verbal, to the ROK that the issue concerning the sovereignty of Takeshima be submitted to the International Court of Justice, but the ROK rejected the proposal. In addition, on the occasion of the Foreign Ministerial talks in March 1962, Zentaro Kosaka, then Minister for Foreign Affairs of Japan, made a proposal to Choi Duk-shin, then Minister of Foreign Affairs of the ROK, to submit the issue to the Court, but this proposal was not accepted by the ROK. This situation remains the same until now.
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