Tuesday February 14, 2012

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    itcher74

    I think you need to come to terms with facts.

    Posted in: Israel rejects 48-hour halt to Gaza assault

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    itcher74

    But thats not the point. Palestine belongs to the Palestinians be it Jews, Christians or Muslims. The Palestinians are the rightful owners of Palestine.

    Posted in: Israel rejects 48-hour halt to Gaza assault

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    itcher74

    I have yet to see any proof you provide for your accusations (links, please?) of racism or genocide

    Israel is waging a war against its indegenous peopel and so they have for the past 60 years. Get with the programme.

    Posted in: Israel rejects 48-hour halt to Gaza assault

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    itcher74

    YOU still don't get it. It is a colonist war against the indegenous using religion as an excuse to carry out their crimes.

    Posted in: Israel rejects 48-hour halt to Gaza assault

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    itcher74

    Religion is an excuse for and not a cause of people figthing.

    This is not a religious war it is a war to exterminate the indegenous people using religion as a pretext.

    Posted in: Israel rejects 48-hour halt to Gaza assault

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    itcher74

    I am a non us citizen. I am not a blind, ignorant, moron. But we are really chasing the wind here. Talking pre history and all. The facts are that Hamas is a terrorist organization that seeks the total destruction of babies and toddlers.

    You sound like an American. The fact is Israel is waging a 60 year old war against the indegenous people and the rightful ownerrs of the land and they are trying to win this by corrupting leaders. If your family is starving and ISrael gives you an ultimatum. I will give you lots of money as long as you give up the right of a native Palstinian state, what would you do?

    Posted in: Israel rejects 48-hour halt to Gaza assault

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    itcher74

    get a grip mike...oh, you already have

    This war is about exterminating the native peoples of the land. So it is in a way genocide.

    Posted in: Israel rejects 48-hour halt to Gaza assault

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    itcher74

    So what Israel are you talking about Superlib which has a right to exist?

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    itcher74

    Do you believe that Israel has a right to exist?

    That's the question I usually focus on. You can't really say you support Israel's right to exist and support an armed struggle against Israel at the same time. That tends to remove some of the clutter from the table.

    What Israel are you talking about? What borders? The border which US voted in favour of in the UN security council? What Israel is it that you are talking about. The Israel where there are 600 check points and Jew only high ways which connect to Israel where land is been taken by aggressive settlers backed up by the Israeli occupying force where there is a wall cutting Palestinian towns in occupied West Bank. . And a massacred Gaza under a siege? This Israel is not acceptable.

    The fact is that anyone who supports an armed struggle against Israel is really supporting the destruction of Palestine.

    Palestinians tried peaceful struggle during the first intifada, they did exactly that. and have agreed to UN resolutions. But thats not the point. The point is. Imagine if you sign a contract it means you agree with the contract. US has signed a contract but are not acting according to the contract they have signed on. Honest people honour agreements. Cooperation is totally dependent on pacta sunt servanda. The respect for contracts.

    Ghandi will not work for Palestinians. The population ratio is different. There were only a few thousands against millions of people therefore non violence could work in India. Besised Indians were resisting a civilised country and not crazed racist maniacs who will drop cluster bombs on a residental area.

    As long as Hamas demonstrates that they have a policy of revenge then Israel will treat them as hostile and will take steps accordingly.

    Everyone knows Israel is much stronger than Hamas. Hamas have home made fire crackers and Israel the state of the art military weapons. So far Hamas have fired 600 fire crackers and killed like 2 and Israel hundreds. But you miss the point. The point is if Hamas comes out of this conflict with even more support Hamas have won. Israel will say this is not a war on the Palestinians but Hamas but even you can´t be as gullible in believing this propaganda. Israel had a blockade which have lasted for 2 years where everyone has been suffering because Israel did not like the election results. Israel used to support Hamas to counter PLO but once Hamas gained most popularity among Palestinians, Israel boycotted them. This is a typical example of colonialism. Divide and conquor.

    Hamas is even at war with their own people in the West Bank and are so radical that even Egypt had to close their borders.

    This statement is false. You do realize that Gaza is under an Israeli occupation. What happened was Hamas won the elections but Usrael wanted Fateh to rule Palestine so there was a coup backed by Usrael to let Abbas rule. Then Usrael armed and funded Fateh. But thats not the point either. The point is Israel is not interested in peace. They have had many chances to peace but they never learn and need to neutralize leaders and make them puppets. Usrael calls these people "moderate" Usrael have labeled leaders extreme and moderate in order to not achieve peace.

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    itcher74

    I am neither Jew or Arab and I have no bone in the fight between the two sides in the Middle East. However, it is a fascinating and very sad human struggle. I have found that through "discussions" such as this one with you and with itcher74, that the solution to this problem for Arabs and Palestinians is to simply eliminate the Jews. They do not accept the right of Jews to exist in the Middle East

    How did you come with this conclusion when I told you already that every Palestinian leader has agreed to make a state according to 67 borders. You are in denial.

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    itcher74

    Don´t get me wrong. I love Japan but not every aspect of it. The Olympics is a waste of money. Because the Tokyo Olympics is an Ishihara idea I hope IOC gives it to some other city and comes with a public statement to why Tokyo does not deserve to get the Olympics .It´s the xenophobia, stupid!

    Posted in: Japan ready to bid for both World Cup, Olympics

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    itcher74

    Thank you for the nice feed back Jean Colmar. The parallels between the Warsaw Gettho and the Gaza Gettho is disturbing. You just have to hope people will wake up and smell the coffee.

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    itcher74

    OK - I can reply to your statement once you give me your response to my question: Do you believe that Israel has a right to exist? Yes or No?

    I think my previous post answered your question. What I am interested in is how to achieve peace and security for all peoples. There are 3 alternatives.

    1. Maintain the status quo. Keep Palestinians under a brutal millitary occupation but peace can never be achieved this way because injustice and oppression will only create resentment.

    2. Israel and Palestine live side by side. Palestine creates a state according to 1967 borders.

    3. Merge Israel and Palestine into 1 state where every person be it Jews or Palestinian get the same political and human rights.

    So far every country in the world including USA have voted alternative 2.

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    itcher74

    So Wolfpack. You have supported the Right of Return, USA has supported a full Israeli withdrawal to the 1967 borders AND every Palestinian leader has also agreed to make a state of the 20% of historic Palestine divided into 3.

    If US actually did what they have voted in favor of instead of doing the opposite this conflict would already have been solved a long time ago. Instead of keeping their promise. US and Israel make new excuses, fabricate lies but all US and Israel has to do is keep their promise.

    Jews can stay in Israel as civilians and not as ruthless oppressors who unleash mayhem just so that they can maintain their racist aparthed policies.

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    itcher74

    itcher74 - Do you believe that Israel has a right to exist?

    Every Palestinian leader has agreed to make a state of the remainding 20% of Palestine according to international laws and UN resolution 242. US voted in favor of this too btw. So what´s the problem?

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    itcher74

    Wolfpack wrote.

    If the Palestinians were to throw out Hamas and all other terrorists within their midst, they would have a brighter future. The problem is, they will not because they actually support Hamas and it's goal of wiping Israel off the map. Do you have any evidence that shows otherwise? Most polls in Gaza and the West Bank show support for Hamas.

    As I already told you. Israel was created by stealing land from the Palestinians. Thats how this conflict started. And you did agree that the Palestinians have the Right Of return. By stating your support of Right Of return you are saying that Israel is the aggressors and you are right here. Israel is the aggressors. They have been and they always will be no matter how much disinformation and lies the Zionist are trying to spread and brain wash ignorant people.

    How can you be supporting democracy and boycott Hamas at the same time as Hamas is democratic. Hamas also happened to win the elections in occupied Palestine. This is the political reality which the west have to come to terms with. By boycotting the election results you are also boycotting democracy.

    The reason why people support Hamas is because Hamas does not want to bargain Palestinians and humanitarian rights. These rights are internationally agreed rights which UN together with USA havs also agreed to. And also yourself Wolfpack from the previous thread. So when you say hitsory does not matter anymore you are not being very consistent from what you were saying in your previous thread where you tried to spread disinformation and lies about this cause of this conflict.

    As you have said previously. You did support Right Of Return Wolf Pack and this is a right which cannot be negotiated. This does not mean that every Palestinian who was terrorised out of their homes will return to their homes but this is more a matter of the idea or coming to terms with the reality of this conflict and history and that is taht the Palestinians have got the crap end of the stick due to Israeli aggression.

    Israel will have to come to terms with their past and acknowledge that they were the aggressors and they stole land which did not belong to them. Once Israel can come to terms with this fact both Palestinians and Israelis can move into a more constructive dialogue. US too has actually supported the Right Of Return. Why is it that US say one thing on paper and do the opposite of what they have promised. Is it American nature to be lying hypocrites?

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    itcher74

    If Israelis thinks that they will win over Hamas by starting massacres they are very wrong because oppression and injustice and cruelity never wins. The terror duo Israel and US can run amok as much as they want but they will never win over Hamas by supporting injustice and oppression. What choices do the Palestinian really have facing a racist state which have been stealing their lands ,much like how the Native people in Canada and USA got their land stolen. As much as I would like to see a non violent form of resistance, but facing an ethnocratic and colonial state backed with Western lies what is it that the Palestinians can do to get their well deserved justice and freedom?

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    itcher74

    The thugs in Hamas are not at all angels in this; again quite the contrary. But the disproportionate reaction, and the constant blockade and reclaiming of land that is not theirs by Israel is far worse.

    Just to make a few clarifications on this latest conflict. Israel say that they are going to Gaza to stop Hamas from firing rockets but there is more to the story. Hamas had repeatedly said it was willing and ready to stop "all" firing of home made rockets from Gaza if only Israel would lift the deadly blockade. And Israel repeatedly said No. Gaza had been under a crippling blockade against international law such as the Geneva Conventions ever since 2006 which reminds you of the Warsaw Getthoe Siege. Israel had given Palestinians in Gaza two choices. Either to die of starvation as a result of the blockade or be exterminated by the Israeli war machine.

    Hamas had not fired rockets for months but did that change the situation? No, it did not. Also. During the cease fire Israel killed 49 Palestinians. Israel had excursions into Gaza when no rockets had been fired from Gaza at all and during the blockade which have caused hundreds of deaths due to starvation and disease due to lack of medicine.

    I think that the Israelis treatment of the Gaza Palstinians resembles the nazis who treated the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto. You put a great number of people in a very small area, you forsake them of pretty much everything, and when they strike back, you shred the ghetto in pieces. I thought the population of Israel said "Never again!". Is that just true for the Jewish population?

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    itcher74

    Hamas deserves what it's getting now, for the breaking countless cease-fire treaties, for endless terrorist attacks, and for hampering any and every attempt at peace.

    Hamas as the winners of the elections should be representing Palestine and not Abbas the puppet.

    Posted in: Defiant Hamas hits Israel with dozens of rockets

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    itcher74

    I thought US was against terrorism. Terror from the Israeli state is one of the most serious and bloody form of collective punishment of a whole people. So if US takes a clear stand against terrorism, they should also comdemn Israeli occupation and suppression of the Palestinians.

    Posted in: White House blames Hamas for new Mideast violence

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