Wednesday February 15, 2012

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    kinniku

    Who's grasping at straws? So far, there is no evidence of Mossad involvement. There are also no Israeli politicians that have admitted Mossad involvement. You claimed, quite a few times, that there were. You were mistaken.

    The fact remains, three Hamas members have, so far, been the only ones arrested in connection with this case.

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    kinniku

    I am not repeating a mainstream view. I am repeating the fact that Israel has negotiated for peace and those negotiations successfully lead to land for peace deals that have continued for decades. This is a factual history that can be measured that shows Israel's history of negotiating for peace.

    Right now, it is the Palestinians who are refusing to enter negotiations, not Israel. This is a fact. It does not matter if past negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians have failed. That is no excuse for not entering and continuing negotiations until a reasonable solution for both sides is found.

    All of the qualifications and demands you have put in your post above are for the negotiating table, not for before it.

    Palestinians jumping up and down at every symbolic action instead of actually negotiating is completely counterproductive. Those that encourage such actions are encouraging a lack of real progress. Palestinians need to focus on negotiations and not let the voices of distractions get in their way.

    Lastly, I did not play any 'anti-semite' card. A poster bleated on about 'the Jews' this and 'the Jews' that. It was inappropriate and those who supported the posts were rightly chastised about their behaviour by myself and other posters (who have completely different posting histories from myself, as opposed to two people bleating on about 'the Jews' who seem to have signed up and first posted on this thread) .

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    kinniku

    Hey, stevecpfc.

    It's been about a week. How about mentioning just one of those Israeli politicians you claimed 'admitted' Mossad's involvement? Looking at this latest article merely confirms that there is, as of yet, no specific evidence pointing to Mossad.

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    kinniku

    ahocchau,

    While I agree with your comment about the absolutely unbreakable connection between talent offices and TV stations (in many cases one and the same organization), the Japanese beholders do count as well. If they find something interesting, it stays. If they don't, it goes. It is basic economics.

    Moderator: All readers back on topic please.

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    kinniku

    The subject is Israel and the Palestinians and their silly argument about a symbolic appointment that will help neither Israel nor Palestine have a happy future.

    Negotiations will bring about that happy, peaceful future for both nations. This kind of squabbling will not.

    Please stop dragging conversations into unrelated tangents and/or accusations.

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    kinniku

    but why were senior Israeli intelligence officials convinced that Mossad was behind it.

    Many are convinced they are not as well. Why? Everyone has a right to their opinion. That's why.

    And several governments around the world have demanded explanations from Israel.

    That's ok. Several governments around the world thought Iraq had WMD's too. That does not mean they are always correct.

    there is infinitely more evidence linking the Mossad to this murder, than there is linking Al-qaeda to 9/11.

    Ridiculous.

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    kinniku

    Most music shops sell crappy guitars for the same or cheaper prices. People can smash those if they want.

    As to humour, it is in the eyes of the beholders. Maybe Japanese people just don't explain it well. The people are not thought of as funny because they are on TV. They are on TV because they are thought of as funny.

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    kinniku

    There will always be people who will claim there is no point in negotiating. However, it is the opinion that there is no point in negotiating that is pointless. As is this in-fighting about a non-issue like this one described in the article. They need to talk to each other and do it now.

    BTW, we have all read the comments in question once and again. Perhaps you misunderstand his meaning as some of them have been deleted. (Although I am not sure how you can misunderstand 'the Jews' peppered througout) However, it was and is as we decribed it.

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    kinniku

    Yes, so you say. Then, in the same breath, you are willing to claim Mossad is responsible for pretty much everything that happens in the world.

    Anyway, the fact remains, there is absolutely no specific evidence to point to Mossad as of yet. Could it be them? Sure. It could also be Hamas, as three of there people have been arrested in connection with this case.

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    kinniku

    bebert61,

    While that may or may not be true for the descendants, it certainly was not of the people directly effected be they these children or the 'Africans' to whom you refer.

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    kinniku

    You wrote he made a specific distinction. I was merely pointing out that in this thread he did not make that distinction. I am not the only one on this thread to notice this.

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    kinniku

    5,500 views and 800 comments during the two months it was online meant it should have been noticed sooner

    In today's internet, that is nothing. Viral vids get tens of thousands of hits and thousands of comments in a week.

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    kinniku

    Just to add, it is also clearly the opinions of HeyLars and justice4plstine that there is no point negotiations. That is clearly what they have been saying in this thread.

    It is the same mindless calls to violence that have cursed the region for decades. Israel and Palestine must look toward the future and stop obsessing about the past. These silly squabbles over symbols only postpone peace.

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    kinniku

    You really should read before you claim what people say.

    The only heritage the Jews have is in Europe and the USA. The holly land belongs to its indigenous inhabitants, the Palestinians. "

    justice4plstine was making no distinction.

    You have said over and over that there is no point in negotiating. You claim Israel has never been interested in negotiating for peace. However, that completely ignores the fact that Israel in fact has negotiated successfully for peace twice trading land for that peace. That peace continues until today. You also ignore the fact that Israel left the Gaza area and the Palestinians controlled not only Gaza but the border between Gaza and Egypt for the first time in their history. So, the claim that Israel has never made attempts at peace or that they have never been interested in negotiating for peace is incorrect and is historically shown to be so.

    I agree there should be a Palestinian state as a result of a true and real peace. The Palestinians need to be willing to negotiate and discuss it. So far, they are not. They should be and they need to be. This fighting over nothing and claiming religious wars gets them nowhere.

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    kinniku

    BTW, justice4plstine clearly mentions 'Jews' throughout his diatribe. One would have to be blind not to clearly see it.

    Posted in: Palestinian president warns of 'religious war'

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    kinniku

    You know. It is interesting to read what you write. According to you nobody every lies unless you say they are lying and nobody ever tells the truth unless you say they are telling the truth. Anyway, Arafat left the negotiations first. He could have stayed. He didn't. Those are the facts. It is impossible to claim a willingness to negotiate while at the same time leaving the negotiating table for good. President Clinton was there and, yes, since he was not part of the Israeli group or the Palestinian group, I would say he is impartial in this regard. Clinto wanted peace between the two sides. That is why he worked hard to get them together.

    This talk of comparing Jews or Israel or both with Satan are almost as ridiculous as the 'religious war' said to be brewing in this article.

    I am sick of hearing people claim there is no point in negotiating when negotiations have brought peace between Israel, Jordan and Egypt. Obviously negotiations work. The only reason I can see for protesting against negotiations is to continue the status quo and to continue to deny Israel's right to exist. That is of no benefit to the Palestinians or to anyone in the long run.

    Posted in: Palestinian president warns of 'religious war'

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    kinniku

    sabiwabi,

    Interesting. You seem to be claiming Judaism is 'satanic' somehow. That does not seem like a very constructive approach to peace in the Middle East.

    I keep bringing up negotiations because they are the absolute only answer to the conflict in the Middle East. It is not a matter of refusing to believe sources that claim the Palestinians have been willing to negotiate for peace in the past. It is the claim that in the 70's and 80's they have been willing and Israel has been the one to back away from negotiations or have somehow scuttled peace talks when the Palestinians were willing to negotiate with which I disagree. In the examples, the people you have provided give, it is in fact the Palestinian side that was unwilling to negotiate for a real and true peace between Israel and Palestinians.

    BTW, President Clinton was there in 2000 and he made it quite clear it was Arafat that walked away from talks.

    Now, from this article, we can see a bunch of hysteria again when the focus should be on negotiations. Both sides will blame each other, but nothing positive really gets accomplished.

    Posted in: Palestinian president warns of 'religious war'

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    kinniku

    HeyLars,

    You have obviously not met many (any?) Israelis and Palestinians. They are both mostly caucasians. Anyway, as kokorcloud correctly points out, voices calling for more violence are not the answer to the problems of the Middle East. Calm negotiations are. This 'religious war' is just another diversion from the road the Middle East should be on toward peace.

    justic4plstine,

    If you want justice, you should seek it through peaceful negotiations. Violence merely begets violence.

    Posted in: Palestinian president warns of 'religious war'

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    kinniku

    "Holiday Decentralization Working Team"

    Just how much am I paying to fund this 'team'?

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    kinniku

    Sarge,

    LOL!

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