Thursday February 16, 2012

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    kinniku

    Sorry, should have been: "Hamas does not believe these allegations. So, it is also amusing and strange that others think they know better while at the same time continously defending Hamas.

    Posted in: Son of Hamas founder claims he was spy for Israel

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    kinniku

    Hamas was a charitable organization. Now they are the leaders of the people in Gaza. As such, their actions of late have been less than charitable to their own people. BTW, Hamas has never claimed they were created by Israel. I find it rather amusing and strange that others know better than Hamas themselves.

    There a lot of 'probably's' and 'maybe's' in your post. Perhaps, facts would be better suited to the discussion. Hamas does not believe these allegations. So, it is also amusing and strange that others think they know better.

    Personally, I believe it is possible and true. There are spies of many countries all over the world. It would be unrealistic to think they would not be among Hamas as well.

    Sounds like an interesting read anyway.

    I highly doubt there will be much saying people were wrong if they were wrong in thinking Mossad was involved. I remember years ago some regular guy was blamed for a bomb during the Atlanta Olympics in the US. The man was fried in the press on the front pages of newspapers and on TV. He was innocent. That was in the back of most newspapers and was barely mentioned on TV, at least here in Japan and from what I saw on the internet.

    Posted in: Son of Hamas founder claims he was spy for Israel

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    kinniku

    While it was certainly originally supported by some Israelis as a charitable organization, Hamas is not an Israeli creation.

    It will interesting if it comes out Hamas was also behind the Dubai assassination. What will all the Mossad blamers say? Probably that Israel put Hamas up to killing a Hamas member. That is how far fetched the accusations seem to go.

    Posted in: Son of Hamas founder claims he was spy for Israel

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    kinniku

    Again, I believe you are thinking of the Canadian passports. You have posted a few things that seem to be mistaken. This seems to be one of them. Anyway, no one has presented any specific evidence that Israel was involved. So far, only Palestinians have been arrested.

    Posted in: 15 more suspects in Dubai hit

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    kinniku

    “That picture is certainly not me. He’s wearing glasses. I’ve got 20-20 vision,” said Carr, who immigrated to Israel eight years ago.

    Not that I think any evidence pointing to Mossad has surfaced as of yet. However, this did give me a chuckle. As if someone could not use glasses as a diguise even if they had 20-20 vision!

    Posted in: 15 more suspects in Dubai hit

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    kinniku

    Two of the suspects allegedly left Dubai on a ship bound for Iran—Israel’s archenemy—after an alleged reconnaissance trip in August.

    Oops. That is one big wrinkle that seems to point to Hamas.

    stevecpfc,

    Again, it was Canada before, not Britain. In this case, there is absolutely no evidence as yet specifically pointing to Mossad.

    Posted in: 15 more suspects in Dubai hit

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    kinniku

    stevecpfc,

    The religous right now runnin g Israel have admitted to removing arabs from East Jerusleum to make it a Jewish controlled area.

    When has the Israeli government 'admitted' any such thing? This seems to be the second time you claim the Israeli government says things they don't say.

    Reminds me of the US sponsored IRA.

    I don't know about US sponsored IRA. However, you are correct that there are many, many similarities between Hamas and the IRA. If the Palestinian Authority continues on this hysterical path, they will also share the similarities.

    Posted in: Palestinian president warns of 'religious war'

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    kinniku

    As for a religious war, isn't the Jewish faith the root of the muslim religion as it is Christian? I'm atheist so don't get on me. Its a question.

    Yes, you are essentially correct. In fact, this sticks in some people's craws so much that they attempt to claim Jewish people are not 'real Jews' to escape this reality.

    Posted in: Palestinian president warns of 'religious war'

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    kinniku

    skip,

    I mean they are racially 'white'. The top PA figures and the top Israeli figures they are also light-skinned. There is a difference between being darker because of naturally born pigment and because of the sun. Look at Japanese, top politicians are lighter-skin than their farmer counterparts. That does not mean they are any less Asian. It does not even matter. Racially, most Palestinians and Israelis are basically the same.

    That is one of the reasons that this fighting between the two people is so meaningless. Hebron is important culturally to both sides. However, two nations living side by side in peace is even more important.

    Posted in: Palestinian president warns of 'religious war'

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    kinniku

    justice4plstine,

    Palestinians have no peaceful choice except negotiating for peace. Israel has already made peace with Egypt and Jordan and has traded land for peace that lasts until today. Israel also left Gaza and the Palestinian Authority was controlling the border with Egypt for the first time in the history of the Palestinians.

    Negotiations that continue to a peaceful resolution are the only answer to the Palestinians' problems and the only solution in which they get their own nation.

    This bickering that we see here is counterproductive to this. So is racism.

    Posted in: Palestinian president warns of 'religious war'

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    kinniku

    HeyLars,

    In order for there to be peace. Both sides must negotiate. This is true whether one or both sides think things are obvious. I am not interested in your racial profiling or whom you think or Jews or not. However, both most Israelis and Palestinians are 'white'. Your "clarification" does not change this.

    The fact is neither side should be talking about wars, religious or otherwise. They should be talking about peace.

    Posted in: Palestinian president warns of 'religious war'

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    kinniku

    HeyLars,

    Maybe you should take a trip to the Middle East. The typical Israeli today or anytime looks pretty much the same as the typical Palestinian today or anytime.

    However, this is beside the point. The point is Israel exists and the Palestinians should get cracking on negotiations instead of jumping up and down about this symbolic designation on the part of Israel.

    Posted in: Palestinian president warns of 'religious war'

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    kinniku

    sabiwabi,

    There is absolutely no evidence to support the theory that al-Quaeda in Yemen are spies, false flags or anything of the sort. The Taliban recognizes the existence of al-Quaeda. The government of Yemen recognizes the existence of al-Quaeda.

    It seemed to me you were referring to the US when you wrote, " And now the US has a massive presence in Iraq and Afghanistan, well positioned for the next stage." As European countries in Iraq or Afghanistan, they were in business with Iraq before this all started as well. However, it is the Chinese and Russians making the deals now, not the Americans, to the chagrine of the US companies I would imagine.

    Posted in: Al-Qaida leader in Yemen threatens new U.S. attacks

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    kinniku

    Sigh. I don't know why I bother when you drag me into tangents that will probably be deleted.

    Iran should make peace with Israel now. Then Israel having weapons or not would not be of concern to them. It is Iran that has decided to be at war. These drones are certainly less obviously offensive than Iran's recently developed long range missiles which Iran itself claims can reach Israel.

    You mean appeasement to a genocidal regime?

    No, I mean Iran showing they don't want war with Israel right now, thus heading toward peace in the Middle East by then encouraging the Palestinians to negotiate for peace with Palestine and Israel side-by-side.

    That would be wrong.

    No. Encouraging war and destruction of Israel would be and is wrong. However, so far, that is exactly what Iran is doing. That is wrong and it certainly does not and has not helped the Palestinians.

    Palestinians have their nation, its called Palestine

    They don't have it yet. Palestine before Israel's (and Jordan's before that) was merely a mandate. It was not a nation. The Palestinians want a nation. Iran and Hamas's way will not get it for them. Negotiations will.

    Palestine also has a clear border, the pre-1967 border.

    The Palestinian state will certainly look something like that. However, it was never a state. Israel occupying the West Bank and Gaza has been the first chance for an actual Palestinian state since 1948.

    As to recognizing the Palestinians. You don't have to attempt to convert me to what you think is a cause I don't support. I support the cause of the creation of a Palestinian nation side by side with Israel in peace. I believe in the future state of Palestine. That is why I want them to negotiate for peace and get their nation. I wish Iran felt the same way and encouraged negotiations with Israel as opposed to sponsoring Hamas and Hezbollah. Then they would have nothing to fear from Israel and the Palestinians would get their state all the sooner.

    Posted in: Israel unveils new drone fleet that can reach Iran

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    kinniku

    Hamas and Hezbollah happened. Now the Palestinian Authority don't want to be left out.

    Posted in: Palestinian president warns of 'religious war'

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    kinniku

    So why don't the Jews just revert to the name Palestinians and everyone get along? My guess is they would take offense.

    Actually, during the mandate both sides seemed to take offense at the Palestinian label. The identity of the Palestinian Arabs and a Palestinian nation really took hold after 1967. That is not to say their grievances did not exist up to that point. It is just that after 1948 and up to 1967 they referred to themselves as refugees.

    Anyway, these moves by both sides to increase tensions on both sides is counter-productive. The two sides should be talking peace. Let them decide details of the negotiations in negotiations for a change.

    Posted in: Palestinian president warns of 'religious war'

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    kinniku

    they used forged passports of "friendly" nations

    There is no evidence yet to support this. All we have is some Palestinians that have been arrested.

    But I know there are still some stubborn Israel-can-do-no-wrong people out there who disagree with the Israeli senior intelligence officials who are convinced the Mossad was behind the murder.

    There are also Israeli intelligence experts saying Mossad is not involved. Bottom line is that nothing has been shown to be true yet. I have never said Mossad is not involved. I have merely said we have not seen this to be true yet. I have also never said Israel can do no wrong.

    Posted in: Israel unveils new drone fleet that can reach Iran

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    kinniku

    They declared many times they do not want to attack Israel.

    Iran has never specifically done this. I would like them to specifically name Israel and say they are committed to peace with Israel and that they do not want to go to war with Israel. They have never done this.

    They declared many times their nuclear program is for peaceful purposes.

    The IAEA suspects Iran's declarations are untrue.

    The only reason they (and many others) expect the zionist regime

    Iran's leaders do not say they 'expect', they say 'should' and encourage other countries to help Israel toward the path of destruction. That is not the same as 'expect' at all.

    Iranian leaders, Palestinian Authority, Hamas, Arab League have all signaled that they are willing to normalize relations with Israel if it returns to its pre-1967 border.

    Iran and Hamas have never said any such thing. Neither have the Arab League.

    All Israel has to do is to return to its pre-1967 border and show its willingness to negotiate (right of return, compensations) and it would not need drones or worry about Iran.

    All Iran needs to do is say to Israel that they want peace right now and they don't have any worry about drones. All the Palestinians have to do to get their nation is negotiate for it. They will not get it without negotiations.

    Posted in: Israel unveils new drone fleet that can reach Iran

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    kinniku

    Oh, mainstream Muslims haven't stopped criticizing Al Qaeda and terrorism.

    I never suggested they had stopped. I suggested there was a lack of strong and consistent criticism to al-Quaeda and these kinds of threats, both in western and non-Western media.

    We also know that these spies tend to disguise themselves.

    Al-Quaeda are not 'spies' of a country. You seem to be talking about something completely different to al-Quaeda. Perhaps, you should consider discussing spies in a discussion about spies.

    I don't see why this is so hard for some to imagine.

    I can imagine fantasies as much as the next person. However, these fantasies do not apply to al-Quaeda in Yemen or anywhere else.

    The Russian and Chinese had important deals before they west wrecked the place.

    I am talking about the latest auction just a month or two ago in which in a recent Iraq auction of oil deals, the deals were largely snapped up by the Russians and Chinese. The Uniteds States was noticably absent and did not get those deals. You were claiming the US had all the oil. Although you wrote western companies, you were clearly discussing the US and you specifically mentioned it. You were mistaken. The US companies got no oil deals.

    Since western governments want excuses to attack oil-rich countries

    This is your personal assumption. It is not established fact.

    to dress up as Muslims and commit false-flags

    Again, this is your personal assumption. It is not established fact. There is no evidence to suggest that al-Quaeda is a front for any country. Nor is there evidence to suggest that al-Quaeda's terrorism or threats are 'false flags'.

    Moderator: Kinniku and sabiwabi, please stop engaging in these tit-for-tat exchanges. Focus your comments on the topic, not at each other. If you want to refute a post, then please do it in a general way, rather than a sentence-by-sentence analysis.

    Posted in: Al-Qaida leader in Yemen threatens new U.S. attacks

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    kinniku

    Yes. I hear the Soviet Union is humming along smoothly as well.

    Today's friends sometimes become tomorrow's enemies. Today's enemies sometimes become tomorrow's friends.

    Posted in: Israel unveils new drone fleet that can reach Iran

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