Thursday February 16, 2012

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    kinniku

    With an ally like that, who needs enemies.

    Israel does not talk about encouraging the destruction of other countries. Iran does and did this very month.

    Israeli "intelligence" provided much of the fake evidence that got the west to invade and destroy Iraq.

    No, it did not.

    And Israel is behind many of the false-flag attacks against the west.

    No, it is not.

    once again murdered someone in a friendly country

    As of yet, there is absolutely no proof Israel was involved. So far, the only people arrested in connection with the case to which you refer are Palestinians. Also, Dubai does not recognize the state of Israel. So it is hardly 'friendly' to it. Just because it does not call for Israel's destruction as Iran does (see Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's recent quotes)does not mean they are friendly toward Israel.

    They also regularly invade the airspace of their neighbors

    Maybe it is time for such 'neighbors' to make peace with Israel. It is also time for Iran and the other nations at war with Israel to do the same.

    Posted in: Israel unveils new drone fleet that can reach Iran

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    kinniku

    I would like to be clear. I believe both Palestine and Israel have a right to exist. I further believe all sides, including Hamas, should start negotiating for peace immediately.

    Posted in: Blair: Israel-Palestinian peace talks to resume

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    kinniku

    We went over that already.

    Yes, and you were mistaken. Arafat was not ready to accept any deal.

    Israel must return to its pre-1967 borders before any negotiation start, that part is not negotiable.

    Then there were never be negotiations. However, the fact remains that those who believe Israel does not have a right to exist in any form also believe Israel should give back land before negotiations even start.

    Posted in: Blair: Israel-Palestinian peace talks to resume

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    kinniku

    You misunderstood, I did not wish luck to the NATO forces.

    We did not misunderstand. You wished luck to the Taliban who kill and blow up Afghans and have been doing so for quite some time.

    Who killed more Afghans?

    Randomly and indescriminantly using bombs and suicide bombers in crowed civilian areas like markets and such? The Taliban. Do you support these actions? You seem to when you wish them luck. This is not about Nato and the US. You have specifically wished good luck to a group the deliberately targets civilian areas.

    Posted in: Fighting rages in Afghanistan as Karzai urges restraint from NATO

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    kinniku

    Wonder if that comes up here about Israel?

    When and if Israel ever specifically and clearly encourages the destruction of Iran, I would assume it would come up. How do you feel about Khamenei's recent remarks? How do you think they compare with Netanyahu specifically and clearly saying Israel has no plans for war with Iran?

    Posted in: Israel unveils new drone fleet that can reach Iran

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    kinniku

    The technology and material were, however.

    No, I believe it is common knowledge that technology and material for Israel's nuclear power were provided by France.

    Considering recent and not so recent history, reasonable and informed people would be much more concerned about Israeli weapons. Iran definitely needs something to protect itself from Israeli/American aggression.

    Well, Iran's words and actions disagree with your analysis. Israel has stated specifically and clearly that they do not want to make war with Iran, using Iran's name specifically. Iran, on the other hand, even as late as this month, continues with talk of encouraging the destruction of Israel. This month Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said that 'Israel’s obliteration is certain'. In January of this year, Khamenei had this peaceful message for Israel, the Middle East and the world: "Definitely, the day will come when nations of the region will witness the destruction of the Zionist regime," Khamenei was quoted as saying. "How soon or late (Israel's demise) will happen depends on how Islamic countries and Muslim nations approach the issue." Also, from recent Reuters headlines: "IAEA fears Iran working now on nuclear warhead".

    Posted in: Israel unveils new drone fleet that can reach Iran

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    kinniku

    there's no risk to the hostile nation at all.

    As opposed to the missles Iran has developed?

    Posted in: Israel unveils new drone fleet that can reach Iran

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    kinniku

    A couple of points regarding efforts to ignite peace talks. I have noticed an odd coincidence in which those who believe Israel does not have a right to exist in any form also believe Israel should give back land before negotiations even start. Hamas is in this camp as are those who support Hamas' position. Expecting Israel to be willing to take a large risk on the very existence of their country is, in fact, unrealistic.

    As to the comments (completely off-topic, BTW) about Israel's domestic situation. These comments are made by the same people who praise Iran's domestic situation. So, I think one may be excused for taking them as mere rhetoric designed only to blast Israel with little regard for the actual content of the comments themselves.

    Posted in: Blair: Israel-Palestinian peace talks to resume

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    kinniku

    Israel must return to its pre-1967 borders before any negotiation start.

    With no guarantees of a real peace? Unilaterally? Hmmm...they did that in Gaza in 2005. Did not get them real peace. Peace talks, then there will be a Palestinian state.

    Posted in: Blair: Israel-Palestinian peace talks to resume

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    kinniku

    The Palestinian people are experiencing their 42nd year of military occupation.

    Yeah, sure. Let's just forget (as everyone does) that the same lands were occupied by Egypt and Jordan and the only chance the Palestinians have had for getting it back was when they were occupied by Israel.

    Posted in: Blair: Israel-Palestinian peace talks to resume

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    kinniku

    Hamas' stated position is that Palestinian land has been stolen, and its return non-negotiable, and a prerequisite for any deal with israel.

    Hamas believes the state of Israel is part of that land aobut which you are talking.

    To even utter that sentence is to betray the lie behind it.

    Hamas needs to be willing to discuss peace before they get land. They are not. Peace is not truces and ceasefires. Peace is real peace.

    Posted in: Blair: Israel-Palestinian peace talks to resume

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    kinniku

    Iranian leaders have said many times, from the very beginning, that their nuclear program is for peaceful purposes; I'm surprised you missed that!

    From recent Reuters headlines: "IAEA fears Iran working now on nuclear warhead". So, we have Israel on the one side specifically and clearly naming Iran and saying they are not planning war with Iran and we have Iran not specifically speaking to Israeli concerns and, in fact, continuing to use words that suggest encouraging the destruction of the state of Israel.

    Oh please, not that again!

    I agree. I really wish Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and President Ahmadinejad would stop using words like that. Yet, as of this month they still use them. This month Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said that 'Israel’s obliteration is certain'. In January of this year, Khamenei had this peaceful message for Israel, the Middle East and the world: "Definitely, the day will come when nations of the region will witness the destruction of the Zionist regime," Khamenei was quoted as saying. "How soon or late (Israel's demise) will happen depends on how Islamic countries and Muslim nations approach the issue."

    This is the leader of a country suggesting another country disappear and then supporting groups, Hamas and Hezbollah, which are actively trying to destroy Israel and have that as part of their charter.

    It is clear Iran is trying to suggest what countries should and should not exist and further is encouraging other countries to help one country into not existing. Again, I understand you agree with this line of thinking. However, saying it does not exist within the government of Iran flys in the face of the words and deeds of the Iranian government as recently as this month.

    Posted in: Netanyahu: Israel not planning war with Iran

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    kinniku

    Those who are fighting NATO forces are very much justified to do so; and I wish them luck.

    They are killing and blowing up Afghans and you 'wish them luck'?

    From the article:

    “I can’t leave. My wife just gave birth,” Jan told the Marines, some of whom handed out their food rations to his hungry family before taking cover from sniper fire.

    Posted in: Fighting rages in Afghanistan as Karzai urges restraint from NATO

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    kinniku

    Michael Rivero is a conspiracy nut. As such, his opinions should clearly hold little weight.

    The Taliban are not 'most Afghans'.

    It would be the reverse if the Taliban invaded Texas, but they didn't.

    No, they sheltered al-Quaeda, the people that did attack the US.

    Moderator: Readers, please focus your comments on what is in the story.

    Posted in: Fighting rages in Afghanistan as Karzai urges restraint from NATO

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    kinniku

    Meh, how many settlements are in Gaza now? How many in the Sinai? If the Palestinians get a peace deal going with Israel, the present settlements won't have made any difference as they will have been dismantled. However, Hamas is not willing to talk about real peace, not 'truces' and 'ceasefires' and no one seems to ever talk about this. Claiming 'Arabs' want peace while at the same time ignoring Hamas' stated position on the matter is pretty unrealistic.

    Posted in: Blair: Israel-Palestinian peace talks to resume

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    kinniku

    Interestingly, Mr. Blair does not mention how to get Hamas on board. That's a pretty big elephant in the room.

    Posted in: Blair: Israel-Palestinian peace talks to resume

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    kinniku

    stevecpfc,

    Not one Israeli politician has stated that Mossad was involved. You claimed it was broadcast on CNN, BBC and Fox. You suggested these 'news sources and you were wrong.

    Posted in: Mossad under fire over Dubai hit squad

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    kinniku

    Including senior Israeli intelligence officials.

    There are also Israelis inteligence experts saying it could not have been Mossad. With no proof, blaming Israel is just blindness. As of yet, no one has presented any evidence to point to Israel.

    Posted in: In Dubai attack, signs of Mossad shadow war

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    kinniku

    Allows?

    Make a situation in which Israel can exist in peace and the result will be nations in the region following the rules of peace.

    Now, back to the subject at hand, Israel has specifically said they are not planning a war with Iran. They mentioned Iran's name specifically. The US has done the same. You may not believe them as is your right. However, their words do specifically speak to Iranian concerns about war. Iran's words do not speak specifically to Israeli concerns about war. In fact, from yesterday's Reuters headlines: "IAEA fears Iran working now on nuclear warhead". So, we have Israel on the one side specifically and clearly naming Iran and saying they are not planning war with Iran and we have Iran not specifically speaking to Israeli concerns and, in fact, continuing to use words that suggest encouraging the destruction of the state of Israel.

    Posted in: Netanyahu: Israel not planning war with Iran

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    kinniku

    adaydream,

    When sidjtd wrote:

    Remember, only combat troops come home. There'll be plenty that stay behind.

    You wrote:

    That's right, but this stay the course mentality from the prior administration is over. The idea that we'll stay there as long as it takes, even 100 years, is dead.

    Since McCain did not say he wanted the US to be in combat for even 100 years, you were mistaken. Since both McCain said and Obama have said they will leave some troops there for peace keeping, you are going to be just as disappointed with Obama as McCain. No one, except you, is saying anything about fighting a war for 50, 60 or even 100 years.

    I understand you don't want a peace keeping mission in Iraq, however you are going to get it with Obama just as you would have with McCain. That is my point. You seemed to miss that point when you agreed with sidjtd that some troops would stay after the combat troops left. I merely pointed out that that is exactly what McCain said. He did not say he wanted to fight a war in Iraq that would last even 100 years. You are misquoting McCain when you say that.

    Posted in: U.S. mission in Iraq being renamed 'Operation New Dawn'

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