Thursday February 16, 2012

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    kinniku

    Prayers to the victims of this tragedy.

    Posted in: Minaret falls during prayers in Morocco, killing 36

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    kinniku

    adaydream,

    You claim to know what McCain 'means'. However, he told you what he meant in the quote I provided for you. There is no need to guess. BTW, US troops have been in Japan and Germany for about 60 years, and in Korea for about 50 years.

    Obama isn't leaving troops in Iraq 100 years either, for whatever reason.

    I sincerely doubt (though with medical science improving day by day one never knows) that either will be around in 100 years. So, the point is rather moot.

    Anyway, you were mistaken about McCain and what he said about 100 years. You might want to continue not referencing incorrectly in the future.

    Posted in: U.S. mission in Iraq being renamed 'Operation New Dawn'

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    kinniku

    To add, it seems Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain agree on this point and adaydream agrees with both as well.

    Posted in: U.S. mission in Iraq being renamed 'Operation New Dawn'

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    kinniku

    adaydream,

    I think McCain knows what he meant better than you do. He spefically was not talking about committing the US to 100 years of war in Iraq. It seems you are mistaken:

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Republican presidential front-runner Sen. John McCain on Thursday defended his statement that U.S. troops could spend "maybe 100" years in Iraq -- saying he was referring to a military presence similar to what the nation already has in places like Japan, Germany and South Korea.

    Posted in: U.S. mission in Iraq being renamed 'Operation New Dawn'

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    kinniku

    Again, so far, this does not point to Mossad or Israel. I agree with skipthesong. I think this is either a weapons deal that went bad or an internal conflict of some kind involving Hamas. Of course, Hamas is going to blame Israel or Fatah. At this point, if they thought they could get away with it, they'd probably blame Doraemon.

    Posted in: Hamas: Suspects in Dubai killing include Fatah men

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    kinniku

    adaydream,

    If you check you will see McCain's statement about "100 years" meant exactly what you quoted from sidjtd. He was talking about troops staying behind to maintain the peace. You say, 'that's right'. Does that mean you agree with him?

    Posted in: U.S. mission in Iraq being renamed 'Operation New Dawn'

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    kinniku

    Israel does NOT respect international law.

    It does to the extent the situation it finds itself in allows.

    All who live in Israel are NOT treated equally.

    I don't know to what you are referring. However, all citizens of Israel can vote and run for local and national elections. You might want to check out the situation in Iran before casting aspertions on Israel.

    Israel is not a real democracy.

    By the definition of the word, yes it is. I would never say there is no discrimination or racism in Israel. There is. There is here in Japan, as well. However, both Japan and Israel are in fact democracies.

    Now, back to the subject at hand, Israel has specifically said they are not planning a war with Iran. They mentioned Iran's name specifically. The US has done the same. You may not believe them as is your right. However, their words do specifically speak to Iranian concerns about war. Iran's words do not speak specifically to Israeli concerns about war. In fact, from yesterday's Reuters headlines: "IAEA fears Iran working now on nuclear warhead". So, we have Israel on the one side specifically and clearly naming Iran and saying they are not planning war with Iran and we have Iran not specifically speaking to Israeli concerns and, in fact, continuing to use words that suggest encouraging the destruction of the state of Israel.

    Posted in: Netanyahu: Israel not planning war with Iran

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    kinniku

    FromEurope,

    Who said anything about 'blindly trusting' Israel. In this case it seems many are 'blindly blaming' Israel. This has nothing to do with support of Israel at all. I criticize Israel when I feel there is something to criticize. As of yet, no one has presented any evidence to point to Israel. BTW, Israel is a democratic nation and all of its citizens have the right to vote.

    Posted in: In Dubai attack, signs of Mossad shadow war

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    kinniku

    it's only the Israeli agancy that could steal the identities of 5 Israeli citizens for those passports.

    Why? As has already been pointed out, lots of identity theft goes on all the time. Doubtlessly, most of it has nothing to do with Israel or Mossad.

    Even the most of Israeli media and Israeli people accuse Mossad to be involved in this assasination.

    That's okay. Until better evidence came along, most of the world thought the world was flat, too.

    Better to wait until some actual evidence comes to light before jumping on the Mossad wagon. There certainly does not seem to be any evidence so far.

    Posted in: In Dubai attack, signs of Mossad shadow war

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    kinniku

    There is a UN recognized state called Israel. It exists now. It has borders and citizens. They are in Israel. Israel, as any country does, has a right to determine who from outside the country can and can't be citizens.

    BTW, international law also talks about a comprehensive peace and compensation as an alternative to the right of return.

    The Palestinians are not just people from another country.

    They do not live in Israel, they are not residents, nor are they citizens of Israel. That is the reality. I know you believe it should be different, but it is not.

    If Israel respects international law, and all those who live there are treated equally and have the right to vote, then we can talk about a true democracy.

    Great! You have just described the situation within the borders of Israel. Thank you for acknowledging that Israel is a democracy. I know that took a lot of guts.

    Posted in: Netanyahu: Israel not planning war with Iran

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    kinniku

    Granting only a select group of people citizenship and only allowing them the right to vote, wow, what a shining example of democracy.

    I've got news for you. That is how democracy works. The "select group" as you refer to it are people who live in Israel. I don't know of any country that automatically grants to citizens of other countries. Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are not citizens of Israel, so they do not have the right to vote in Israeli elections. You are not a citizen of Japan. As such, you are not allowed to vote in Japanese elections. It is not a unique concept.

    I understand you think the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza should have the right to vote in Israeli elections. Probably some people in Korea think they should have the right to vote in Japanese elections (I don't know, but they may exist). However, they cannot.

    Posted in: Netanyahu: Israel not planning war with Iran

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    kinniku

    Most of the world is.

    I guess this disproves the theory some peddle that the media is Jewish and/or Israeli controlled, huh? See, there is always a silver lining.

    The fact is there is no specific proof of Mossad involvement at this time. In fact, as Grafton pointed out, another Hamas member was arrested in Syria in connection with this incident. Two other Palestinians have been arrested in Jordan and are now in Dubai. So far, these are the only suspects in custody. Yet, this goes ignored by most in favor of Mossad.

    I will also say that although, anti-semetism and anti-Israeli sentiment should be seperate affairs, amongst some individuals they coexists. Hints to this lie in Jews being mentioned as occupying too many positions of power, etc. Of course, anyone who would make such statements has more on their minds than just Israel.

    Posted in: In Dubai attack, signs of Mossad shadow war

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    kinniku

    Funny how all nations are allowed to defend themselves except the Palestinians.

    It is not the defending with which I have a problem. It is the offensives. Stop the rockets, stop the bombs and start talking about real peace. That is where Hamas needs to assume blame. They are not willing to talk about peace. (Not truces, but peace.)

    For decades, Israel has been illegally occupying Palestinian land

    When Israel finally left Gaza, Hamas used that to increase the fighting instead of using the opportunity to make life better for the people of Gaza. I am surprised this is not of concern to you.

    Posted in: Mossad under fire over Dubai hit squad

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    kinniku

    stevecpfc,

    Perhaps you would be willing to specifically name one Israeli politician who has stated 'this is a Mossad hit'. You wrote 'some', one is less than some so that will make it easier for you. If you cannot provide even one Israeli politician, you might want to stop stating they are saying such things as not one has said anything of the sort as of yet.

    Lots of people say they are convinced Mossad is involved. However, so far, nothing has been shown to prove this is the case. Lots of others say they are not.

    Posted in: Mossad under fire over Dubai hit squad

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    kinniku

    It was a slaughter of defenseless civilians who were fenced-in, not a war.

    Hamas disagrees with you. When they described Mahmoud al-Mabhouh's role in the 2008-2009 Gaza War bringing in weapons, they described it as a war. That is what it was.

    so I guess she is a legitimate target as well then.

    My point is floating bombs on the sea are not legitimate. I have already said I don't condone al-Mabhouh's killing. However, your analogy does not work. al-Mabhouh was not a citizen of another country supplying Hamas. He was a member of Hamas.

    Posted in: Mossad under fire over Dubai hit squad

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    kinniku

    That is not to say that I condone the killing or think it was productive. I have already said in the past that I see no benefit for Israel in this individual being dead.

    Posted in: Mossad under fire over Dubai hit squad

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    kinniku

    Hey, stevecpfc!

    Maybe now you can admit you made a mistake when you wrote that Israeli politicians had admitted Mossad was involved and when you further said that it was broadcast on TV on BBC, Fox and CNN. As we know, no Israeli politician has said any such thing.

    BTW, how do you feel about Hamas aligned militant randomly floating bombs to kill whomever or damage whatever they may come in contact? This was a hit against a specific individual who was well known in the weapons trade and about whom Hamas had even spoken saying he was the one mainly responsible for providing weapons during the Gaza War. If I had to compare the hit on a weapons dealer or possible innocents being killed by Hamas related bombs. I think the bombs are more illegal.

    Posted in: Mossad under fire over Dubai hit squad

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    kinniku

    Yes, along with other Israeli intelligence experts who say they think Mossad was not behind it.

    Posted in: In Dubai attack, signs of Mossad shadow war

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    kinniku

    Israel, a democracy! You don't really believe that, do you?

    It is not a matter of belief. It is a matter of fact. All citizens of Israel have the right to vote and Israel and freely exercise that right. That is the very definition of democracy.

    According to international law, many Palestinians have the right to live there.

    No. This is incorrect. Palestinians have the right to live in Palestine, which they will do when they make peace with Israel and create their own state side-by-side with Israel.

    but you seem to have no problems with the zionists wiping Palestine off the map. Interesting no?

    Not particularly interesting because I have never said Palestine was wiped off the earth, you have. Palestine disappeared the minute Arab countries surrounding the new state of Israel attacked. It continued to wiped off the face of the earth when Jordan and Egypt took control of the West Bank and Gaza but chose not to give it to the Palestinians as they should have. Ironically, the best thing that could have happened for the potential return of the state of Palestine was Israel taking control of the West Bank and Gaza for the Palestinians now actually have a chance to negotiate for peace and get their nation. This was not possible when the area was controlled by Jordan and Egypt.

    Anyway, Israel has specifically said they are not planning a war with Iran. They mentioned Iran's name specifically. The US has done the same. You may not believe them as is your right. However, their words do specifically speak to Iranian concerns about war. Iran's words do not speak specifically to Israeli concerns about war.

    Posted in: Netanyahu: Israel not planning war with Iran

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    kinniku

    So if I said 2 years ago that the regime in Washington will vanish from the page of time. And then someone asks me "Is it true you want to blow Bush's brains out? And I reply "in the upcoming election, the American people will vote for a different regime"....

    No. In your example you are talking about two different things: Washington (the capitol or the government, I don't know which you mean but either fits) and a person and then other person). In Ahmadinejad's case, with either translation, it means, as do you it seems that you want Israel the nation to disappear. Using the 'changing regimes' rhetoric is just that: rhetoric. What Ahmadinejad is suggesting is the end of the nation of Israel and replacing it with a Palestinian nation. Now, I realize you agree with this suggestion. However, it ignores the fact that Israel exists and is a country recognized as existing by the United Nations. As such, it is inappropriate and unrealistic to suggest that Israel being willing to submit to disappearing just because Ahmadinejad suggests it.

    Interestingly in your post, you still have neglected to show anywhere that Ahmadinejad refutes the meaning generally put to his comment saying Israel should fade away, drift off into the wind or whatever words one chooses to use to say the same thing. He has never said, 'No, I did not mean that. Iran would never suggest Israel should be wiped off the face f the earth.' I believe the reason he has not specifically refuted it is because that is exactly what he and Khamenei's recent comments mean.

    If the zionist regime occupying Jerusalem feels threatened by democracy, tough beans!

    There is democracy in Israel. Iran is suggesting giving the vote to people who live outside of Israel. Understandably, Israel is against this. Maybe Iran will consider allowing all US citizens and Japanese citizens to participate in their next election. I wonder how much Ahmadinejad would like that democracy.

    "I assure you... there won't be any war in the future," both the BBC and AP quoted him as saying.

    Was he referring to Israel? Did he mention Israel by name? Did he actually say Iran would not go to war with Israel? I certainly would accept him using Zionist regime instead of Israel in his statement. Did he say this? When?

    Indeed, and the Iranian government has made that very clear, again from the Wikipedia page (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel)

    Ayatollah Ali Khamenei saying that 'Israel’s obliteration is certain' does not help peace in the region either. In January of this year, Khamenei had this peaceful message for Israel, the Middle East and the world: "Definitely, the day will come when nations of the region will witness the destruction of the Zionist regime," Khamenei was quoted as saying. "How soon or late (Israel's demise) will happen depends on how Islamic countries and Muslim nations approach the issue." This is the leader of a country suggesting another country disappear and then supporting groups, Hamas and Hezbollah, which are actively trying to destroy Israel and have that as part of their charter.

    It is clear Iran is trying to suggest what countries should and should not exist and further is encouraging other countries to help one country into not existing. Again, I understand you agree with this line of thinking. However, saying it does not exist within the government of Iran flys in the face of the words and deeds of the Iranian government as recently as this month.

    Indeed, and the Iranian government has made that very clear, again from the Wikipedia page (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel)

    Sorry, that just seems to be playing the semantics card. Nobody can wipe a country off the map. You have suggested time and time again that Israel wiped Palestine off the map. So indeed you subscribe to the possibility that a country can be wiped off the map. As does the Iranian government. In addition, they do not specifically say that don't want to wipe Israel off the map.

    Israel has specifically said they are not planning a war with Iran. They mentioned Iran's name specifically. The US has done the same. You may not believe them as is your right. However, their words do specifically speak to Iranian concerns about war. Iran's words do not speak specifically to Israeli concerns about war.

    Posted in: Netanyahu: Israel not planning war with Iran

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