Wednesday February 15, 2012

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    kinniku

    The problem with an independent investigation is there will always be people, like Ahmadinejad, jumping up and down (or 'dancing' as some people refer to it) over anyone involved in the investigation who happened to eat a kosher pickle 25 years ago.

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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    kinniku

    Nah. Ahmadinejad's on the case. All is well. Full steam ahead with the hyperbole.

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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    kinniku

    But who will investigate?

    I thought you said Ahmadinejad had his crack internet genii on the case? Between them and the voices in his head, I am sure all will be revealed shortly.

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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    kinniku

    Jordan has been occupying Palestinian land much, much longer and they are revoking the citizenship of Palestinian citizens of Jordan. Interesting this never concerns you as the Palestinians will never get that land and it was actually created for them. Then again, if it does not concern Israel in your mind, it seems to be of no concern. Now, why do I bring this up? Well, it is obvious that Jordan wants the Palestinians out of their land and they are willing to get the Jordanian Palestinians nice and angry so they will focus their energies on Israel instead of Jordan. Sadly, it is not only working for the Palestinians in Jordan, it seems to be working for most of the rest of the world as Jordan steals the birthrights of the Palestinians in Jordan.

    Settlements are a non-issue in the long run if negotiations ever get going. There is not one Israeli settlement in Gaza or Sinai. That is what the Palestinians should be noticing. They should also notice that neither Jordan nor Egypt was ever willing to allow a Palestinian state to exist in the West Bank or Gaza. Israel has said they are. Big difference and it is high time to build on that difference.

    Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements

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    kinniku

    Have a close look at it, and you'll be surprised at what you find. And I think the Tripoli bombing might be Mossad.

    Yes, and that bad hamburger you got the other day is Mossad fault too. In fact, let's start blaming bad weather on Mossad while we are at it.

    Why not blame Mossad for faked moon landings, global warming theories and that hangnail you get five years ago, too.

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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    kinniku

    gonemad,

    Yes, I agree. There is extremism on both sides. However, Israel says they are willing to negotiate for a real peace. Hamas has not said this as of yet. I agree 100% that that any negotiations without Hamas won't bring any lasting results. Both Fatah and Israel would still have Hamas to deal with and the land Israel controls would be smaller for the trouble.

    Hopefully they all decide to talk one day. As Molenir pointed out, it really is a shame that Arafat did not take the deal he had or at least stick around and continue negotiating until a resolution was reached. Running away from the table was the worst thing he could have done for his people and it still haunts them today.

    Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements

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    kinniku

    HeyLars,

    You certainly suggested I was not telling the truth and I was. You should apologize and begin to check things for yourself for a change. I am tired of teaching you history. 'Get to my other links'? Just click and look. It is quite simple. Black September was indeed the PLO rebelling and challenging the King of Jordan for control of Jordan and it extended from when Jordan ruled the West Bank. It amazes me that even after being shown facts, you ignore them. You ask about common knowledge. When talking about the Middle East, facts about the Middle East are common knowledge. You don't need to be an Israeli to be able to read about the Middle East. You just need to be able to read something other than a quick look at wiki.

    Samu was preceded by many attacks from Jordan, Egypt and Syria. Again, I don't expect you to know this as you don't seem too interested in common knowledge about the region. The King of Jordan could not control the situation in the West Bank. I believe he wanted to. However, he also did not want to piss off his friends in Egypt and Syria etc. So, he let the PLO have a lot more control of the situation that he should have. In fact, the King of Jordan was always trying to balance the fact he did not want the Palestinians to have a nation in the West Bank because he felt it was a threat to his own rule with not pissing off the other Arab countries. Sorry, you cannot expect Israel to have continued to take attacks like that. Your example of Canada is a poor one. The US is not surrounded by enemies. Israel was.

    The Six Day War started almost a year after Samu and many other attacks on Israel. BTW, comparing settlers to the PLO in Jordan in the 60s and 70s truly shows you still have not had time to actually look into the situation. Settlers were not rebelling against their government. The PLO was rebelling against the King of Jordan. You are willing to ignore attacks on Israel because you don't really care about the country. Fair enough. However, it is unrealistic of you to expect Israel to feel the same.

    Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements

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    kinniku

    adaydream,

    Are you talking specifically about East Jerusalem? That is what this article is talking about. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe that Israel has ever said it will not settle in East Jerusalem. Israel annexed East Jerusalem in 1980. Now, I understand this annexation is not recognized internationally. However, the fact remains that as annexed land and not occupied land, I cannot see Israel having agreed specifically to such a thing.

    Anway, you now know Israel did dismantle all of its settlements in Gaza and Sinai. There are none there now. Were the Palestinians to get to the negotiation table and negotiate a peaceful resolution and get their state, any plans or construction of settlements in those areas would be erased or dismantled as they were in Gaza and Sinai.

    Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements

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    kinniku

    adaydream,

    I or Gaza are supposed to believe that statement? How can they believe that?

    There is not one Israeli settlement in Gaza. You don't believe it? Ask Hamas. They know there are no settlements in Gaza. In fact, the whole world knows this. It's been almost five years.

    I think that as soon as Israel and Gaza sits down at the table, Israel will make another memorable statement how they are building somewhere new. Israel has shown their track record.

    You know maybe they will, maybe the won't. I don't particularly like Netanyahu that much. So don't expect me to defend him. However, what the heck difference does it make. Were the Palestinians to get to the negotiation table and negotiate a peaceful resolution and get their state, any plans or construction would be erased or dismantled as they were in Gaza and Sinai. However, we will never know until they actually get to the table and stay there. This means both Palestinians and Israelis. I am sick of the excuses for not negotiating and the violence that is the result of a lack of negotiations.

    It has been a long road, so I understand your lack of optimism.

    Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements

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    kinniku

    Listen adaydream, I agree that this is counterproductive. However, to suggest that the problems are only on one side is incorrect. There will not be any Israeli settlements in the future Palestinian nation. Don't you think it is time for the Palestinian and Israelis both to sit down and negotiate until a peaceful settlement is reached?

    Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements

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    kinniku

    BTW, Did you happen to check what sparked the Samu incident? Nah, probably not. After all, what difference does it make if Fatah was attacking Israel from Jordanian territory, right?

    This is what I mean about having some semblence of balance. Yes, this move regarding the settlements is counterproductive. I have been one of the first to say so on JT. However, when and if there is ever a deal made, the settlements in the Palestinian nation will be dismantled. That is what has happened in Gaza and Sinai and that is what will happen in the future Palestine.

    Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements

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    kinniku

    HeyLars,

    What I wrote about Jordan is quite common knowledge. Did you even bother to check it out on the internet before you asked me? Jordan was once part of the Palestine Mandate and the Palestinians there are and always have been a majority there. Black September was an attempt to take Jordan back as Palestinian territory. It was only three years after Jordan lost the West Bank (you know the one they annexed but did not give to the Palestinians). You asked how Palestinians felt about Jordan and I answered you. They rebelled. They rebelled because the wanted Jordan for their country. Again, why don't you even check these things out? Why ask me first? I am sorry you find it hard to believe I can remember things. However, unless you have anything specific you find to be incorrect about what I have said, I humbly suggest you check it on the internet before accusing me of not knowing what I am talking about.

    BTW, your assumption about what started the 67 War is rather laughable. Please do some research into what Egypt and Syria were doing at the time, blockades and tank and troop build up for a start should help you on the way.

    Yes, no quarter is given to Israel. That is because Israel comes dead last on the Palestinian list of people not to be ruled by.

    Nah, that is not the only reason. Look at the fact you have not heard of Jordan stripping its citizens of their passports.

    Jordan strips Palestinians’ citizenship

    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=167512

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/07/21/Jordan-strips-Palestinians-of-citizenship/UPI-93421248183799/

    And on and on. You really should know by now that I know what I am talking about. You should also apologize for suggesting I was not telling the truth.

    Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements

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    kinniku

    HeyLars,

    Well my question to you is: How badly did the Palistinians want to be free of Egypt and Jordan? Did they even want to be? And how do you know?

    Good question. They rotted in Gaza under Egyptian rule. Of that there is no dispute. In Jordan, they tried to do what they are doing in the Occupied Territories now. Except that resulted in the expulsion of the PLO from Jordan to Lebanon. Please google Black September for more information. In addition, Jordan is now taking away Jordanian citizenship from its Palestinians citizens. Saying they belong to the Occupied Territories. These are people many of whom have lived their whole lives in Jordan and were born citizens of Jordan.

    My point is that when it comes to Israel, no quarter is taken. This is and was not true of the surrounding countries treatment of the Palestinians.

    Bottom line, I want peace and I want two peaceful nations, Palestine and Israel side by side in peace. Negotiations is the only way to get that and Israel, so far, has been the only country to occupy the occupied territories that has been willing to consider it.

    Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements

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    kinniku

    gone mad,

    Hamas has said several times that they will not negotiate with Israel for a true peace (10 year truces don't count). This is a big sticking point.

    Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements

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    kinniku

    See, this is exactly to what I was referring. Here you are arbitrarily linking the ADL with David Duke, who was very graciously invited to Ahmadinejad's Holocaust Denial Love-in Festival a couple of years back, and Stormfront. You see, David Duke is an actual person with actual public opinions that can be read and analysed and Stormfront has opinions by actual people that can be analysed. These opinions closely match those of Ahamdinejad, Bollyn, Dawson and your posts here on JT.

    You randomly associate people with unrelated things merely because they (or someone in their family) support Israel or because they are Jewish and you assume they are guilty of something simply by association with absolutely no specific proof whatsoever. However, in my case, I am specifically talking about public opinions of the people concerned and the content therein and not merely associations with groups.

    I also find it fascinating that Dawson, Bollyn David Duke, Ahmadinejad, Stormfront and yourself all obsess about Jews in the media and in governments and create conspiracies that almost exclusively revolve around Jews and Israel. Sorry, this is not a commenting tactic on my part. It is an observation of not only your posting habits, but the public opinions of the people about whom we have been discussing. A big hint is people linking: The Holocaust (and generally suggesting it did not happen or that no one was gassed or whatever), Jews and how many are in the media, governments, companies, banks or whatever, and now with 911. Sorry, but it is obvious when people constantly attempt to artificially link all these things together, then it is perfectly clear that there is more to their agenda than 'truth'.

    Look right above. You brought the ADL into this conversation, not I. In addition, That mere fact that you still tried to pawn the urban legend that the Palestinians were not dancing in the streets and celebrating 911 when they actually were shows how out of touch you are on issues. I am curious, even being told it is not true, do you plan to attempt to bring it up again I wonder?

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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    kinniku

    What exactly did these do-goody UN twits expect?

    According to the article it sadly seems that some expected a cut of the food aid:

    "Up to half the food aid intended for the millions of hungry people in Somalia is being diverted to corrupt contractors, radical Islamic militants and local U.N. workers"

    Posted in: U.N. report: Much of Somalia's food aid diverted

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    kinniku

    sabiwabi,

    You use this tactic all the time. You randomly associate people with unrelated things merely because they (or someone in their family) support Israel or because they are Jewish and you assume they are guilty of something simply by association with absolutely no specific proof whatsoever. However, in my case, I am specifically talking about public opinions of the people concerned and the content therein and not merely associations with groups.

    What I find shocking and strange is not that David Duke and Stormfront, cut and paste things as you put it, it is the opinions on those sites that are almost word for word the same as much of what you write in addition to what Dawson and Bollyn write. This is not a tactic. It is merely an observation. I further observe that Ahmadinejad obviously approves of David Duke's thinking because he graciously invited David Duke to the Iranian Holocaust Denial Love-in Festival a couple of years back. Both the opinions on Duke's site and Stormfront mirror almost to the very word what 'real truthers' say and write.

    I also find it fascinating that David Duke, Ahmadinejad, Stormfront and yourself all obsess about Jews in the media and in governments and create conspiracies that almost exclusively revolve around Jews and Israel. Sorry, this is not a commenting tactic on my part. It is an observation of not only your posting habits, but the public opinions of the people about whom we have been discussing. A big hint is people linking: The Holocaust (and generally suggesting it did not happen or that no one was gassed or whatever), Jews and how many are in the media, governments, companies, banks or whatever, and now with 911. Sorry, but it is obvious when people constantly attempt to artificially link all these things together, then it is perfectly clear that there is more to their agenda than 'truth'.

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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    kinniku

    Ummm...you really need to fact check more than you do. That mere fact that you still tried to pawn the urban legend that the Palestinians were not dancing in the streets and celebrating 911 when they actually were shows how out of touch you are on issues. Dawson and Bollyn 'back up' everything they write with innuendo and racist undertones. Hardly the area of academia.

    Duke was very graciously invited to Ahmadinejad's Holocaust Denial Love-in Festival a couple of years back. Both his site and Stormfront mirror almost to the very word what 'real truthers' say and write.

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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    kinniku

    I don't think Netanyahu was saying he didn't know about the settlements. It is clear from the article that he was merely apologizing for the timing of the announcement of them.

    Posted in: U.S.-Israel row highlights quandary over settlements

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    kinniku

    A good hint that you are on the wrong path is when sites like Stormfront and David Duke share your views and follow the reasoning of people like Dawson and Bollyn.

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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