Thursday February 16, 2012

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    kinniku

    I agree with all four of you (Mullen included).

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    kinniku

    TumbleDry,

    'Israel' is not a person. While there are certainly those in Israel that might feel that way, Ehud Barak is quoted right in this article as not feeling that way at all. Regardless, the present situation is worse for Palestinians than it is for Israelis. It is to the advantage of the Palestinians to attempt to make their situation better.

    Posted in: Militants pledge to float more bombs toward Israel

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    kinniku

    TheQuestion,

    Agree. Instead of random acts of violence that only begets more violence in return, Hamas should seriously work to repair the rift between them and Fatah and pledge to work toward a real peace with Israel. Barak's comments are very wise indeed. Israel must also pledge to work with the Palestinians (once the Palestinians can actually agree to work together themselves) towards a true peace agreement. Both sides will have to make great compromises, but the end agreement of peace would be worth it and that is really what most average people on all sides want.

    Posted in: Militants pledge to float more bombs toward Israel

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    kinniku

    Final season starts this summer in Japan. Before that they are planning to re-run all the previous seasons' shows in a row one more time.

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    kinniku

    sabiwabi,

    Welcome to reality. Please look up, at your earliest convenience, the jubilent Palestinian reaction after Israel disengaged and they were able to freely cross the border back and forth into Egypt. Yes, for a sadly brief point in time, the Palestinians of Gaza were indeed happy about the prospects for their futures. Hamas, unfortunately, had other plans and the Palestinians' situation is worse.

    Now, you are still avoiding the basic question which is directly related to this article: I have agreed that Israel's blockade is too severe. Let's see how balanced YOU are. Do you think Hamas handled things well after Israel left Gaza in 2005?

    Moderator: Please stop badgering other readers.

    Posted in: Israel: Slain Hamas leader smuggled Iranian arms

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    kinniku

    sabiwabi,

    The subject here is Hamas and again my question was: I have agreed that Israel's blockade is too severe. Let's see how balanced YOU are. Do you think Hamas handled things well after Israel left Gaza in 2005?

    You respond with silly and inappropriate hyperbole. Israel is here to stay. I believe in a two state solution. You believe only in blaming Israel and Jews for pretty much everything. (Including incorrectly suggesting there were too many Jewish heads of the US Federal Reserve) So far, you seem the complete opposite of balanced.

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    kinniku

    sabiwabi,

    the point is that you point fingers at Israel and Jews for pretty much everything but you avoid the real questions. Such as: I have agreed that Israel's blockade is too severe. Let's see how balanced YOU are. Do you think Hamas handled things well after Israel left Gaza in 2005?

    I think they missed a huge opportunity. IMHO, the Palestinians certainly have done worse since Hamas came to power in Gaza. The facts on the ground show this to be true.

    Posted in: Israel: Slain Hamas leader smuggled Iranian arms

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    kinniku

    Sorry, but that is complete BS, and you know it.

    Nope. That are the sad facts of your posting history. You'd find a way to weave Israel into a conversation about Kitty-chan.

    You keep on making a big deal about them leaving Gaza

    Yes, I do. It was a big deal. It is also a shame Hamas did not take advantage of it.

    but the fact is that the Gazans have NEVER been free

    They should have been on the road to freedom with Israel leaving. That is what should have logically happened. Instead, Hamas took advantage of the situation and made things much worse for the very people they claim to represent.

    For you it seems completely normal to have the Gazans caged in like animals under very poor conditions, and you expect them to behave!!!

    See, this is perfect example of you not paying attention. Israel LEFT. They were GONE. Palestinians were able to CROSS the border into Egypt. The Palestinians in Gaza were HAPPY. Hamas ruined that. Yes, I expected Hamas to act better than that.

    Your views are extremely one-sided

    Yeah, sure...not. Just above I agreed that Israel's blockade is too severe. Let's see how balanced YOU are. Do you think Hamas handled things well after Israel left Gaza in 2005?

    are you still getting your talking points from the Israeli government.

    Hamas needs to form into the government that the Palestinians need and ignore the 'let's rocket Israel some more' crowd.

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    kinniku

    If Gazans were a free people, they wouldn't need to smuggle and tunnel.

    They were tunneling INTO Israel when they broke the ceasefire. You know when you were wrong again. In 2005 the Gazan border was open with Egypt. Everyday Palestinians were cheering and happy at the new prospects for peace. Hamas used tunnels and smuggling to bring in weapons and to kidnap soldiers. Then once elected, Hamas decided to ignore all of its border obligations with Israel and Egypt. Again, it was a missed opportunity to show what Hamas could do as a real government for their people and not just as militants. They failed miserably.

    A little over a week ago "United Nations agencies and their non-governmental partners warned of the impact of the Israeli blockade on Gaza’s population and on health services, and repeated their call for an immediate opening of the border crossings."

    Well, I think the blockade is too severe. However, Hamas should indicate clearly and specifically its intention to finally make real peace with Israel. They might also want to consider not stealing food and supplies from the UN that is supposed to be for the Palestinian people. They also should consider sending their leaders overseas to talk about peace instead of how to get more weapons in their vain attempt to destroy Israel. Again, Israel for its part needs to let all essential aid into Gaza and the UN should monitor the aid to make sure it gets into the right hands (Hamas is not crazy about UN monitors, but then again they have stolen aid meant for average Palestinians.

    it deserves to get rocketed.

    It got 'rocketed' after it left Gaza. That was a ridiculous reaction to what was a chance for the Gazans to have peace with no Israelis there.

    Many of the lies that got the west into Iraq, originated from Israel.

    Yeah, yeah, you and LIBERTAS blame EVERYTHING on Israel. Moon lauch faked? Israel! Holocaust faked? Israel! sabiwabi and LIBERTAS get bad burgers at Lotteria? Israel! However, none of what you two write matches reality. Heck, LIBERTAS does not seem to know the difference between Gaza and Lebanon and thought Shalit was kidnapped in Lebanon.

    . I would just add that the west (the people, not their leaders) also has legitimate grievances against Israel.

    LOL! You are trying that sentence again. Leaders complain plenty about Israel and we all get to read about it.

    Cleo is correct. Both sides bear responsibility for this mess and both sides need to take that responsibility more seriously. The first step is to ignore calls for more 'rockets' and the like.

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    kinniku

    Now THAT is very mature indeed!

    It is merely a fact.

    Even with the last war crime committed by Israel, it was Israel that broke the ceasefire, not Hamas.

    Incorrect. Hamas was caught tunneling INTO Israel. That was what broke the ceasefire.

    If there is one of the two sides that should not be armed, it is the Israeli side.

    Yes, well, everyone knows how impartial and balanced you are on this issue...not...at...all...

    Hamas just needed to stop the violence and get on with the business of governing their people. They still have not managed to form into a real government for their people and cling to their militant ways.

    As I stated many times, all Israel has to do to stop the rockets from coming is to follow international law, return to its pre-1967 borders, and stop treating the Palestinians like cattle.

    It does not matter what you state or don't state. Since Hamas does not feel that way, your attempted point is pointless.

    Israel left Gaza in 2005 and got smuggling, tunneling, violence and rockets in return. Hamas needs to realize this is not the answer and others cheering them need to start to make them understand this.

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    kinniku

    Dear Phd,

    If you were to take a look at the article or even the headline, you would see it is not a mystery that the man was slain. No reason to claim natural causes and no one making that claim.

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    kinniku

    sabiwabi,

    The MSM and people like you like to portray Hamas as being only a terrorist organization, rather than the democratically elected party that runs Gaza.

    I am not particularly interested in your analysis of the 'MSM' or of 'people like me'. However, I am perfectly aware of Hamas' role of the democratically elected representatives of the Palestinians. I have never said or indicated otherwise.

    Those who support Hamas support Gaza.

    Sorry. I don't understand what this is supposed to me. Those who support Hamas, support Hamas. Hamas' actions in Gaza have made things immeasurably worse for Gazans not better.

    Just one year ago, Israel was committing war crimes and crimes against humanity, slaughtering helpless civilians in Gaza.

    According to the UN and human rights organizations, both sides have been accused of war crimes. You only choose to see one side.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with supporting Hamas in their defense against Israeli war crimes.

    There is everything wrong with supporting Hamas' continued denial of reality that they have no choice but to make a real peace with Israel.

    There wouldn’t even be anything wrong with given rockets to Hamas, but we don’t know if they did that.

    Of course there is something wrong with it. It is one of the things that keeps the two peoples fighting each other. Instead of shooting rockets after the Israelis left, Hamas should have made Palestinians lives better, as any democratically elected government should do for its people.

    BTW, ignoring a nuisance is not the same as running away from it, but if it makes you feel better…

    No, it is the fact that you were wrong and proven to be wrong. It is your standard pattern.

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    kinniku

    We don't know that yet. We just have Israel saying that he was, but they lie constantly.

    Yes, so you constantly claim. However,Iran has admitted that they support Hamas. You remember when I proved that to you before and you ran away from that conversation?

    He could very well have been on a mission to get medical supplies for Gazans.

    Yes, he could have also been on a mission to get parts for the first Gazan space shuttle. He could have been doing lots of things. However, we do know Hamas is supported by Iran and that, in recent years, they mostly seem to use this support to make weapons to use against Israel even though they know this just gets Israel attacking them again.

    Using passports from other countries is very typical of the Mossad.

    So? It is also very typical of every spy organization on the planet in addition to criminals and weapons dealers around the world. You'd scream 'Mossad' if you got a bad burger at Lotteria.

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    kinniku

    Indeed. People would be very surprised to know why, who pressured the US government to block their entry.

    Indeed. No one is interested in your silly holocaust denial and conspiracies. Try to keep up. We are talking about Israel and Hamas.

    It seems Israel has hitmen all over the world. I wonder how they can get away with it.

    Ummm...most countries have spies and 'hitmen' as you call them all over the world. Remember that guy poisoned by the Russians in the UK?

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    kinniku

    First of all, Israelis have a long history of lying, why should we believe them this time?

    Well, because Iran has admitted that they support Hamas. You remember when I proved that to you before and you ran away from that conversation?

    Second, even if it was true that this man played a critical role in smuggling rockets from Iran to Palestinian militants in Gaza, does that make it OK to murder him (by electrocution and poisoning).

    Well, I would not say it makes it 'OK'. However, assassination is hardly unheard of on any side in the Middle East. Look at how an Israeli killed Rabin and how Fatah and Hamas kill each others' leaders.

    You mean, as it was before Palestine was wiped off the map, when Muslims, Christians, and Jews all lived side-by-side in peace.

    Yes, it was all kisses and smiles before 1948.

    Only a very small fraction of the Israelis are descendants of the Israelites.

    Blah, blah, blah...there are Israelis and Palestinians there now. They need to learn to get along, all of them. Your silly attempts at faulty DNA analysis does not change this.

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    kinniku

    Wow! Just wow! You honestly expect the Palestinians to act like Israeli politicians while the Israelis live in mansions and are free to travel the world and the Palistinians in a walled up ghetto similar to WWII Warsaw??? That ghetto is courtesy of the Israelis you know?

    Wow! Just wow! I expected the Palestinians to take advantage of Israel's exit from Gaza in 2005 to make peace, not more war. I was disappointed. Again, you constantly only see one side and you refuse to acknowledge that the Palestinians gave up a big chance in 2005 to reap the benefits of a Gaza with no Israelis in it.

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    kinniku

    LIBERTAS,

    Interestingly, you have put together a bunch of unrelated (both to each other and most to this article) stories to again link Israel to stories that have nothing to do with Israel.

    Independent news sources have confirmed that, again, a certain democracy in the middle east is the epicenter of the organ trade. Not a conspiracy theory, not a slanderous or libelous statement. The Israeli Minister of Health even stood up the the Knesset and admitted it.

    Independent sources such as? Stormfront?

    Anyway, the Minister of Health never 'admitted' Israel was the "epicenter of the organ trade", nor did they admit and nor is there any proof of any wrong doing in Haiti (which I assumed this article was about).

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    kinniku

    sabiwabi,

    It certainly is not my intention to 'distort' anything you have written. You have indeed written what I wrote you have. My opinion is that it is highly inappropriate to use this article to vent your hatred of Israel.

    Your history of calling Auschwitz a 'theme park', of saying Hitler was probably not such a 'bad guy', of saying your still aren't sure whether the Nazis were patriots trying to 'save' their country or if their were really Zionists (interestingly and sadly you never attempt to consider they were a racist regime and that there was no Zionist conspiracy whatsoever), of falsely claiming top Nazis were Jewish, and of falsely claiming that the Nazis did not kill anyone by gassing are what make your comments here all the more sad.

    I've read this article several times. Netanyahu does not specifically mention Iran here. The author thinks he is alluding to it and maybe he is. However, Netanyahu focused on the suffering of the inmates. You, on the other hand, focus on Israel. Yes, I am confused, because as I wrote your whining about Israel has no place in this conversation. Considering your false and constantly unprovably wild claims about your version of the Nazis and what you constantly falsely claim did not happen in Auschwitz, it is hard not to be confused about your posts here.

    In short, your constant point merely seems to be to promote your silly conspiracies. Again, IMHO, this is not the conversation for that.

    Posted in: In Poland, survivors mark Auschwitz anniversary

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    kinniku

    sabiwabi,

    I am confused. You are on record as having said you don't believe what you refer to as 'the big lie' of the holocaust. You then proceed to complain because Shimon Peres is not extraditing a dead person. Next, you then use your posts here to complain about the state of Israel. Again, What you are doing is exactly what I think is sad. The people you named are not preventing or criticizing the marking of this solemn anniversary. You seem to be. I find that sad. Combine that with your history of holocaust denial and it is ridiculous as well. If you are not interested in this anniversary, please ignore it. However, there is nothing wrong with remembering the past and attempting to learn from it.

    Posted in: In Poland, survivors mark Auschwitz anniversary

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    kinniku

    But I know you'll keep on defending them and criticize anyone who "hates Israel".

    As I said, I do think it is sad that some cannot allow others to mark a solemn anniverary. If you are not interested, please ignore it. However, there is nothing wrong with remembering the past and attempting to learn from it.

    In short, this is not really the place for your whining about Israel. What you are doing is exactly what I think is sad. The people you named are not preventing or criticizing the marking of this solemn anniversary. You seem to be. I find that sad.

    Posted in: In Poland, survivors mark Auschwitz anniversary

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