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kinniku
is a nut who seems to not only hate Israel, but leaves lots of room for hating Judaism. I doubt he is the person to whom to look for any lessons about the holocaust.
I do think it is sad that some cannot allow others to mark a solemn anniverary. If you are not interested, please ignore it. However, there is nothing wrong with remembering the past and attempting to learn from it.
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kinniku
Like what exactly? Bring Morel back from the dead?
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kinniku
Sour grapes on the part of the Secret Service. The couple got past their security. The Secret Service should be glad for the lesson, in which no one was harmed, and move on with preventing it from happening again. There is no point in investigating these people. Had they not posted it on Facebook, no one would have know about it.
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kinniku
They are ridiculous conspiracy theories not based on fact that tend to fan the flames of the very clash that is described in this question. You are certainly not in a position to claim otherwise. Stick to reality. Ridiculous conspiracy theories merely make the person claiming the conspiracy a part of the religious fanatics you spoke of in your post.
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kinniku
Damien15,
Never mind. I didn't realize you were going on about ridiculous 911 conspiracies.
The fact of the matter is that people have to learn to let other people live their lives as they wish and worship as they wish. The problem with any extremist group is their desire to change others to their way of thinking, living and doing things.
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kinniku
Damien15,
I realize I am not part of your conversation. However, perhaps you could be specific in the list of questions you have posted in your 3:29pm post? I especially can't understand your 5,000 citizens comment. What are you talking about? Just curious.
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kinniku
This statement is not based on fact or history. Israel has given back land and made peace with two nations, Egypt and Jordan and that peace has been stable and lasting. This is history and these are facts. Palestinians should be negotiating for the same thing. I know you don't want this. However, it will happen.
LOL! Your trying that sentence again. Most world leaders do believe both sides should get along and stop acting badly. This is the reality. These are the facts.
Most of the civilized world wants peace between an independent Israeli state and an independent Palestinian state side by side in peace. I know you don't. However, it will happen. You will be disappointed. No one will care that you are disappointed.
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kinniku
Yes, I know. For someone who is still wracked and torn trying to decide whether the Nazis were good or bad (how is that internal debate going, by the way?), I guess peaceful negotiations sounds really horrible, huh? YOu really seem to think it would be soooo bad if there were an independent Israeli state and an independent Palestinian state side by side in peace.
However, the civilized world, including its leaders (Do you finally understand now? Maybe you need a new dictionary?) realize that peace between these two nations is the only solution.
So right back at you...
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kinniku
The world has seen both sides battling each other for many years now. However, your obvious bias prevents you from seeing both sides are responsible for the violent conflict and both sides need to make peace with each other.
Yes, they will someday make peace. There will be both an independent Israel and an independent Palestine side by side in peace. You will disappointed by this. No one will care that you are disappointed.
Yes, because: One) Israel agreed to allowed the Palestinians to have armed security and police forces. Two) Hamas receives support from Iran (as you now know because I taught you about the fact that Iran has admitted they support Hamas and Hezbollah). So, yes. They have a few more weapons. However, it would be a cruel joke to think that this makes them very powerful and that they should avoid negotiations for peace.
Both sides have been accused of bad behaviour over and over again. Your continued fantasies do not change this.
The only path left is for both Palestinians and Israelis to ignore extremist views (like yours) that see no reason for compromise. Compromise and negotiations is the only way to help the Palestinians and the only way toward a real peace between Israel and Palestine. Nothing you write changes this.
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kinniku
Sigh. three examples. One: How many settlements are in Gaza? Zero. Two: How many settlements are in Sinai? Zero. Three: How many are in Jordan? Zero. That is how many will be in the future state of Palestine.
Of course there won't be any settlements in a future Palestinian state. At least, I can't see the Palestinians agreeing to it.
I know they removed all the settlements on the lands I listed above dragging settlers kicking and screaming. Welcome to reality...
Please...you have written numerous times of your wish for Israel to be destroyed. Please do not attempt to by coy.
The term 'the very least' implies you think they should do more. It is not going to happen. The new Palestinian state will not be at the expense of the existence of Israel, no matter how much you wish it to be otherwise.
The resolution does not state Israel must give up all the territory captured. This is the reality of the resolution.
Both sides have taken from each other. If the Palestinians want their state, they are going to have to negotiate for it. This is the reality.
The only way for anyone to get any justice is through negotiations that lead to an independent Israeli state and an independent Palestinian state side by side in peace.
Yes. Hopefully, the Palestinians will decide that they do, in fact, want peace and will re-enter negotiations and stick with them until a final peace is achieved. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
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kinniku
thedeath,
I understand that some may feel that way. However, as you and I know, the only path left to the Palestinians is compromise and negotiations. Without these, nothing will change for them.
I respect all people's right to observe the faith(s) of their choice. However, this should not prevent them from being able to live in peace with others.
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kinniku
One, the Palestinians walked away in 2000 from the closest thing to there being peace in the region when they walked away from negotiations. This is a fact that no one can deny. Two, Hamas has expressed no interest in talks leading to a real peace between an independent Israeli and Palestinian state side by side in peace.
However, you are incorrect that Palestinians have sat down with Israel for serious talks leading to peace. It has not been several times. For clarity, perhaps you can list some of those times you seem to think exist for people to examine and discuss.
Yes. Both sides and both sides need to actually come to the table. This means Hamas must give up its goal of destroying Israel as must all those who support such a goal...ahem, like you seem to constantly support... You seem to think that negotiating 'seriously' must lead to the destruction of Israel. You are incorrect.
I know that Israel has given up rather huge pieces of land and gotten rid of settlements on those pieces of land. Sorry if you don't think peace between Israel and Jordan and Egypt are good things. You see, civilized people think they are. It is a big deal. Since you hate Israel and your only real goal is to convince people that it shouldn't exist, you cannot see that peace is a big deal and movements toward peace are a big deal.
Ummm...No, something gained through wars. If Jordan had not gotten involved in 67 the West Bank would still be its problem...not that they ever planned to give it to the Palestinians. In fact, they are presently revoking the Jordanian citizenship of Palestinians that have lived their whole lives in Jordan. Speaking of stealing things...
You don't know that and you are not in any position to say that. If the other side, the Israelis are still at the table (and they were when the Palestinians walked away), they were serious.
Meh...people have been speaking this way for years. It has not helped the Palestinians. Right now, it is the Palestinians who are not agreeing to negotiate, not the Israelis. It is the Palestinians who have more to gain and nothing to lose by negotiating. Time is on the side of Israel, not the Palestinians, make no mistake.
Meh. People like you have been saying this for decades. In fact, that helped start the 67 war and got Jordan involved. Yet, it has gotten the Palestinians absolutely nothing.
As I wrote before, Israel is not disappearing anytime soon. This is the reality. The Palestinians will get their own nation. It will not be at the expense of the existence of Israel. Of course, it is rather hard to believe you care about the Palestinians so much when you claimed the BNP, an extremist anti-Muslim political party in Britain had logic to their argument. In fact, you really do not seem to know very much about Palestinians, Islam or the Middle East. It all seems to be a playground for you to vent your anti-Israeli, anti-Jewish bias. None of that has ever helped the Palestinians. Negotiations will. Israel has given back land and made peace with two nations, Egypt and Jordan and that peace has been stable and lasting. Palestinians should be negotiating for the same thing. I know you don't want this. However, it will happen.
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kinniku
One, the Palestinians walked away in 2000 from the closest thing to there being peace in the region when they walked away from negotiations. This is a fact that no one can deny. Two, Hamas has expressed no interest in talks leading to a real peace between an independent Israeli and Palestinian state side by side in peace.
Yes. Both sides and both sides need to actually come to the table. This means Hamas must give up its goal of destroying Israel as must all those who support such a goal...ahem, like you seem to constantly support...
Both sides have taken and hurt each other. This the reality. Both sides must compromise.
Please, you have no idea what will be offered in negotiations and you wouldn't find it acceptable anyway. You are against the state of Israel existing. So, of course, for you, nothing short of its destruction will be enough.
Meh. People like you have been saying this for decades. Yet, it has gotten the Palestinians absolutely nothing except more misery. This is not about 'a thief'. This is about two nations that have no choice but to learn to get along. Of course, you really don't want to see that happen. You only wish for Israel to be destroyed. The only hope for the region is for the people there to ignore such attitudes and go forward with negotiations that lead to peace between an independent Israeli state and an independent Palestinian state side by side. Now, to this again, you will probably write a 'yeah but' kind of comment. However, there is no 'yeah but'. The only real option is peace between an independent Israeli state and an independent Palestinian state side by side. The shape of those two nations will be determined by the two nations themselves in negotiations and once peace is achieved, others should butt out and let them live their lives in peace.
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kinniku
thedeath,
Exactly. Thank you.
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kinniku
These examples are excellent proof of how Israel can and does make compromises and has given up land for stable and lasting peace. You are and have been claiming that Israel is not capable of such a thing. I am showing you that, not only are they capable, but they have done it. So, yes, of course I know this based on these examples.
It does not matter. The only thing that matters is what is decided in negotiations. Both sides can babble all they want before negotiations. They mean nothing once a peace deal is actually struck. Welcome, again, to reality.
Sigh. Again, How many settlements are in Gaza? Zero. How many settlements are in Sinai? Zero. How many are in Jordan? Zero. That is how many will be in the future state of Palestine. Once, that is, the Palestinians, both Fatah and Hamas, decide to negotiate for a true and lasting peace with two independent Israeli and Palestinian nations side by side. There is no argument you can come up with against the reality that peace between Palestine and Israel is indeed possible and will indeed happen. Again and again, in the peace deals mentioned above, all settlements in those areas are not there anymore.
It is not 'at the very least'. The new Palestinian state will not be at the expense of the existence of Israel, no matter how much you wish it to be otherwise. As you know, the UN resolution do not specifically require a full pullback to the pre-67 border. As I have told you, this has been debated and this debate has been documented in the UN and I am correct on this.
The final shape of both states will be determined by the two parties in negotiations. For me, whatever they decided mutually during those talks would be fine if it brings the two independent nations side by side in real peace.
Again, there will be no settlements in the future state of Palestine just as there are no settlements on the land that has already been given for peace by Israel.
Again, How many settlements are in Gaza? Zero. How many settlements are in Sinai? Zero. How many are in Jordan? Zero. That is how many will be in the future state of Palestine. Once, that is, the Palestinians, both Fatah and Hamas, decide to negotiate for a true and lasting peace with two independent Israeli and Palestinian nations side by side. So, yes. The Israelis will have to dismantle all the relevant settlements as determined by the negotiations. That is the way is has been done by Israel up to now.
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kinniku
Yes, of course. As I wrote, the opposite of your incorrect claim that leaders of the civilized world do not criticize Israel, is that they do. Yes, one word can make something the opposite of something else. Lastly, this very article is about President Obama, one of the leaders of the civilized world, criticizing Israel. So, yes, you were incorrect all the way.
How quickly you forget. You consistently ignore the reality of the region and the facts, as opposed to fantastic inaccurate portrayals that you present, that Israel is at peace with two of its neighboring countries, Jordan and Egypt and that that peace came from compromise and Israel giving up land. It also meant that any settlements were dismantled. Again, How many settlements are in Gaza? Zero. How many settlements are in Sinai? Zero. How many are in Jordan? Zero. That is how many will be in the future state of Palestine. Once, that is, the Palestinians, both Fatah and Hamas, decide to negotiate for a true and lasting peace with two independent Israeli and Palestinian nations side by side. There is no argument you can come up with against the reality that peace between Palestine and Israel is indeed possible and will indeed happen.
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kinniku
Sigh. So let me get this straight.
You think what you wrote:
'Most of the civilized world, but not their leaders
and what I wrote:
'The leaders of the civilized world also think'
are not opposites?
Again, you think don't and do are not opposites?
As I wrote, it is basic English and basic common sense. Oh...maybe that is why you are having trouble and that is one of the reasons you are incorrect.
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kinniku
Sigh. You wrote something incorrect. I wrote something in response that meant the opposite of what you wrote. I fail to see how you cannot understand it. It is basic English and basic common sense. Oh...maybe that is why you are having trouble.
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kinniku
adaydream,
Think bigger. I hope this turns into peace between Israel and Palestine.
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kinniku
sabiwabi,
Let me try to make it clearer.
You wrote:
I wrote:
Incorrect. The leaders of the civilized world also think both sides have been acting unacceptably and they have said so often enough that anyone knows this, including you.
You clearly stated that you don't think the leaders felt a certain way. I clearly suggested you were incorrect in that the leaders do feel that way.
In other words: you were incorrect.
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