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kinniku
sabiwabi,
Did you read what you wrote? Did you read what I wrote?
You wrote that the leaders don't think both sides have been acting unacceptably. I wrote they have. These are not the same thing.
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kinniku
Compromise means sitting down and negotiating and then making a true and real peace. I am not only blaming the Palestinians for the present situation. However, the fact remains that the Palestinian side, particularly Hamas but also Fatah to some extent, have not been willing to sit down with Israel and negotiate. So, you are incorrect. It is not that I don't realize that Palestinians have compromised for so long. It is that they have not been willing to compromise for so long. This was particularly true in 2000 when the two sides were the closest they have ever been so far to a peace deal and Arafat left the negotiations. Now, I know you do not want the Palestinians to compromise at all with Israel. That is why you see compromise where there is none.
No, again, you are incorrect. Both sides have been at fault. This is the reality. Your obvious and continuous bias gets in the way of your seeing this.
Meh. People like you have been saying this for decades. In fact, that helped start the 67 war and got Jordan involved. Yet, it has gotten the Palestinians absolutely nothing.
Israel is not disappearing anytime soon. This is the reality. The Palestinians will get their own nation. It will not be at the expense of the existence of Israel. Of course, it is rather hard to believe you care about the Palestinians so much when you claimed the BNP, an extremist anti-Muslim political party in Britain had logic to their argument. In fact, you really do not seem to know very much about Palestinians, Islam or the Middle East. It all seems to be a playground for you to vent your anti-Israeli, anti-Jewish bias. None of that has ever helped the Palestinians. Negotiations will. Israel has given back land and made peace with two nations, Egypt and Jordan and that peace has been stable and lasting. Palestinians should be negotiating for the same thing. I know you don't want this. However, it will happen.
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kinniku
Incorrect. The leaders of the civilized world also think both sides have been acting unacceptably and they have said so often enough that anyone knows this, including you. In addition, these some leaders and the citizens represent want both sides to follow international laws, UNSC and common human decency. That is why by obsessing and using settlements to block peace negotiations, the Palestinians gain nothing and keep the status quo. Israel did make peace with Egypt and Jordan. Israel also gave up land and the peace between those countries remains. If Palestine would negotiate they would get the same thing. Israel has had a stable and lasting peace with both Jordan and Egypt. The Palestinians will have the same peace when they all, both Fatah and Hamas, decide to negotiate for it. I know you will be so disappointed when that day comes, but come it will.
Now, I know you will continue to attempt to portray Israel and its citizens as hell and its demons. However, it ignores the reality of the region and the facts, as opposed to fantastic inaccurate portrayals that you present, that Israel is at peace with two of its neighboring countries, Jordan and Egypt and that that peace came from compromise and Israel giving up land. It also meant that any settlements were dismantled. There is no argument you can come up with against the reality that peace between Palestine and Israel is indeed possible and will indeed happen.
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kinniku
First, although it will be, the land is not the state of Palestine, yet. Second, it doesn't matter why they live there if they will not be there after the nation of Palestine is formed. Again, How many settlements are in Gaza? Zero. How many settlements are in Sinai? Zero. How many are in Jordan? Zero. That is how many will be in the future state of Palestine. Once, that is, the Palestinians, both Fatah and Hamas, decide to negotiate for a true and lasting peace with two independent Israeli and Palestinian nations side by side.
no matter how many times you attempt to repeat yourself, obsessing and using settlements to block peace negotiations, the Palestinians gain nothing and keep the status quo. Israel did make peace with Egypt and Jordan. Israel also gave up land and the peace between those countries remains. If Palestine would negotiate they would get the same thing. Israel has had a stable and lasting peace with both Jordan and Egypt. The Palestinians will have the same peace when they all, both Fatah and Hamas, decide to negotiate for it. I know you will be so disappointed when that day comes, but come it will.
The civilized world thinks both sides have been acting unacceptably. However, obsessing about settlements is a waste of time. The two sides (including Hamas) need to negotiate for a lasting peace. Nothing you write will take the hope away that negotiations will bear fruit and the Palestinians will have their nation. The proof is shown by history as Israel has given up land for peace and has a stable and lasting peace with both Egypt and Jordan. That is the reality. That is the way to the future.
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kinniku
My point is simple. It was not a false flag.
You have no idea what the note was meant to make us believe. The person that sent it was a nut. Nuts generally don't make much sense.
No, that is the point. It failed to convince anyone of anything except that the sender was a nut.
Again, unsurprisingly, incorrect. From where do you get your fantasies? He had two unfinished movies and neither was about the Mossad. In addition, you seem to be forgetting that they caught his killer. He was a Muslim however. However, rather than focusing on his religion, I think it is more appropriate to point out he was a nut and that is why he killed van Gogh.
Again, your attempts to inject fantasies about false flags and incorrect information have nothing to do with discussion of Muslim countries seeking blasphemy bans.
Moderator: All readers back on topic please.
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kinniku
Unsurprisingly, incorrect again. 'Muslims' have never been listed as suspects or persons of interest in FBI investigations. The writing might have made you believe it was sent by Muslims. However, nobody suggested that except for you. The person to whom JHansen referred was a Muslim however. However, rather than focusing on his religion, I think it is more appropriate to point out he was a nut and that is why he killed van Gogh.
Bottom line, false claims of false flags have nothing to do with the discussion of Muslim countries seeking blasphemy bans.
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kinniku
Yes, you falsely bring them up a lot.
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kinniku
LIBERTAS,
Many countries don't like that choice actually. Personally, it is up to the Palestinians if they want to elect people that will only cause them more pain and avoid getting them the nation they desire. Hamas is not for negotations leading to a peace between an independent Israel and Palestine side by side in peace. This is counterproductive to the desire of Palestinians to have their own nation. So, I think it is okay for people to suggest they don't like Hamas as a choice.
Umm...a lot of the world whined through most of the eight years the man was in office, as they had a right to do. People also have the right to whine about Hamas if they choose.
They were shooting rockets into Israel from Gaza again. So, of course with that, there will be a next time. Probably a good idea to stop the rockets and start the negotiations. As you often ignore, Israel has given back land and made peace with two nations, Egypt and Jordan and that peace has been stable and lasting. Palestinians should be negotiating for the same thing.
Baloney. Practically no one knows the guy's name or cares. Do you actually talk to real people? Do they mention his name to you? I highly doubt it.
LOL! And there we have it. You claim everyone knows this man's name by heart and yet you don't even know where the man was captured. He was captured on the border of Gaza not Lebanon. LOL! Even thinking about it for two seconds would show what you wrote does not make much sense. I mean, you are attempting to claim Gilad Shalit was captured in Lebanon and somehow magically smuggled into Gaza? Maybe you had better actually read up on the situation and maybe even look at some maps before commenting next time.
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kinniku
anthony39,
Both sides need to negotiate. Both sides need to compromise. As I have explained to you many times, history repeating itself is worse for the Palestinians in this conflict. Why is it you are so against negotiations between Israel and Palestine? Why do you seem to be so against any compromise between these two nations? You continously repeat your one-sided claims of everything being Israel's fault. However, this way of doing things has not gotten the Palestinians their nation. Negotiations will, just as the have led to peace between Israel and Jordan and Egypt.
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kinniku
Because settlers live there now. Just as they did in Sinai and Gaza, but don't anymore. You know, welcome to reality.
Well, it is time for the Palestinians to focus on getting their state and negotiate instead of merely being 'pissed off' and getting nothing for it.
Because they know from seeing Gaza and Sinai that once a deal is made the settlements will disappear. They should keep their eyes on the prize. Again, Israel has had a stable and lasting peace with both Jordan and Egypt. That peace was the fruit of negotiations and compromise. Israel certainly has a proven history of entering into peace negotiations and those negotiations bearing the fruit of lasting peace. Sorry, these are the facts. Nothing you have written changes this.
Again, no matter how many times you attempt to repeat yourself, obsessing and using settlements to block peace negotiations, the Palestinians gain nothing and keep the status quo. Israel did make peace with Egypt and Jordan. Israel also gave up land and the peace between those countries remains. If Palestine would negotiate they would get the same thing. Israel has had a stable and lasting peace with both Jordan and Egypt. The Palestinians will have the same peace when they all, both Fatah and Hamas, decide to negotiate for it. I know you will be so disappointed when that day comes, but come it will. Again, How many settlements are in Gaza? Zero. How many settlements are in Sinai? Zero. How many are in Jordan? Zero. That is how many will be in the future state of Palestine. Once, that is, the Palestinians, both Fatah and Hamas, decide to negotiate for a true and lasting peace with two independent Israeli and Palestinian nations side by side.
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kinniku
That is not true exactly. All of these things are on a case by case basis. You make sweeping generalizations, but these are not true. There was even a musical about the Nazis in Germany recently. As I mentioned, and you finally admitted, Dieudonne charges have been cleared. Again, case by case. That is how all charges of racism should be dealt with.
Not for the incident to which you referred. As I wrote, he was cleared of the charges. I am not going to discuss Twenty times because, again, that is not what this article is about. My point was merely that you were mistaken.
Well, then it seems that you misrepresented what you read as he was cleared of the charges in that incident and, as you now have admitted, others as well. Why is it that you must always attempt to bend reality to suit your argument? Politically charged words always have the chance of getting the person in trouble. Look at the two idiot announcers that spoke ignorantly about the Iranian born NBA basketball player. They got in hot water too.
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kinniku
Ummm...that is not true. The man was cleared of all charges. Read much?
Anyway, I am pretty sure this question is about blasphemy against Muslims. Any particular reason you are obsessing about Jews and the Holocaust so much? It seems the only way you can discuss any subject is by bringing Jews or the Holocaust into it.
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kinniku
Again, no matter how many times you attempt to repeat yourself, obsessing and using settlements to block peace negotiations, the Palestinians gain nothing and keep the status quo. Israel did make peace with Egypt and Jordan. Israel also gave up land and the peace between those countries remains. If Palestine would negotiate they would get the same thing. Israel has had a stable and lasting peace with both Jordan and Egypt. The Palestinians will have the same peace when they all, both Fatah and Hamas, decide to negotiate for it. I know you will be so disappointed when that day comes, but come it will. Again, How many settlements are in Gaza? Zero. How many settlements are in Sinai? Zero. How many are in Jordan? Zero. That is how many will be in the future state of Palestine. Once, that is, the Palestinians, both Fatah and Hamas, decide to negotiate for a true and lasting peace with two independent Israeli and Palestinian nations side by side.
Yes, because those settlements will disappear as settlements have disappeared from Gaza and Sinai.
Israel has had a stable and lasting peace with both Jordan and Egypt. That peace was the fruit of negotiations and compromise. Palestinians will get the same peace and their own nation through the same kinds of negotiations and compromise. This is a fact and it is proven by history.
Again, Israel has had a stable and lasting peace with both Jordan and Egypt. That peace was the fruit of negotiations and compromise. Israel certainly has a proven history of entering into peace negotiations and those negotiations bearing the fruit of lasting peace. Sorry, these are the facts. Nothing you have written changes this.
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kinniku
This is not a matter of the word inadmissible. It is the reality that the UN resolution does NOT require Israel to give back all of the territory. This is a fact of the resolution.
This has been discussed in the UN and the meaning I have taken is the correct one and the one recognized by the UN. You know the body that made the resolution. The word 'the' has specifically been debated, in fact. Again, the meaning is as I said it was. Why not actually read the document and debate in the UN about it?
Anyway, as I said, your complaining about even positive things such as the possibility of a swap being made or of using such a story about a possibility of a swap being made shows that it is impossible for you to recognize peace between an Israeli and a Palestinian state. I want there to be peace between these two nations and I recognize the right of both to exist. This swap would be a great step in that direction. None of your negativeness can take away my hope no matter how hard you try.
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kinniku
sabiwabi,
You can keep repeating the same tired arguments. However, your way, which is the way the Palestinian leadership has done things, has gotten them very little. Negotiations would get them their state. This is about nations and nations negotiate with each other. Welcome again to reality.
Also, the resolution you quoted says nothing about giving back all of the territories gained in the 67 war. That was never the intention of the resolution. It is even written that way in the part you quoted.
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kinniku
That is not how negotiations work. First you negotiate, then you get something in return. You don't get things before you negotiate. Both sides need to compromise.
I have never excused anyone of anything. However, writing the same anti-Israeli stuff over and over with no regard for the future of a real Palestinian state certainly does seem like mindless rambling.
I state, as I always do, that I am for an independent state of Palestine side by side in peace with an independent state of Israel. Anything other than that, including suggesting that 'moving back to 67 borders is just a "start"' does certainly sound like meaningless whinning.
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kinniku
I don't believe I am wrong. The convention you are talking about is discussing warring parties. Technically, the Palestinians and Israelis are not at war. Could you quote the specific part of the convention you think is applicable?
I do not know why you would write such a thing. Don't you think these issues are worthy of debate and discussion?
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kinniku
Unsurprisingly, a look at the convention itself seems to indicate that you are incorrect.
Anyway, it is amazing to see anyone whining about this. Let them make the swap and let them all start on the road to serious talks about peace. All the other ramblings mean next to nothing. Peace between independent Israeli and Palestinian states is the only answer.
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kinniku
anthony39,
Sorry? I don't follow.
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kinniku
Hamas does not think it needs stating. Unfortunately not everyone feels the way we do about peace. I need it is always better to restate it and be sure.
By the way, I never said settlement were not a 'problem'. What I am saying is that it is unrealistic to obsess about something that will not matter of peace negotiations are successful. To be sucessful, Hamas must be on board and the negotiations actually have to take place. By obsessing and using settlements to block peace negotiations, the Palestinians gain nothing and keep the status quo. I think that is a waste and a shame. That is what I have been saying and what I will continue to say about this conflict.
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