Thursday February 16, 2012

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    kinniku

    Why won't Obama at least acknowledge all the hard work and mental effort that brave 9-11 truthers like sabiwabi have done?

    I am sorry to say, but sabiwabi's arguments seem to have no link to the truth. As such, the term 'truther' is hardly appropriate. When all you have is a 'blame Jews for everything' template for your 'arguments', it can hardly be said to take either 'hard work' or 'mental 'effort'.

    Posted in: Passports linked to 9/11 found along Afghan border

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    kinniku

    How about CIA AND Mossad...

    How about making random lists of different organizations that come to your mind...Oh, that is already what you do. EVERYTHING must be Israeli or Jewish connected in your mind...

    Most people would have realized that I was trying to illustrate the credibility (or lack there of) of those who find passports linked to alleged acts of terrorism.

    Nah, what most people realize is that you are more than willing to attach your fantastically unrealistic conspiracy theories to any article or discussion. However, upon even the slightest look at what you write, it is easily apparent that you don't have any specific facts to back up your fantastically unrealistic conspiracy theories. THAT is what most people (including me) realize.

    Posted in: Passports linked to 9/11 found along Afghan border

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    kinniku

    I see some posters didn't bother to read the article, or couldn't understand it.

    It really does seem like some people need phonics and reading lessons. Nowhere in the article does it say the passports belong to the 911 hijackers. I mean, how could anyone be talking about how 'resistant' (Actually the word is a strange choice, I assume the word wanted was resilient, but it still would not make any sense) they are or how they 'blew from NY'. Seriously, is logic and reading that difficult?

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    kinniku

    No, you just don't understand them; and I am tired of explaining them to you.

    Probably because you write things like what you wrote yesterday at 2:56pm:

    All you do is attack me by misrepresenting my views.

    Then I write that I haven't misrepresented you views at all and then you admit that I haven't by writing:

    No, you just don't understand them

    So, you don't even understand what you write. BTW, I understood the words you wrote and responded precisely and specifically. You still haven't shown any supposed misrepresentation, neither have you shown any lack of understanding of your position. Your position is quite clear and reflected in your absolutely tepid response to the BNP and in fact you have claimed that there is 'at least there is some sort of logic to their argument', which is basically support for a clear and proven a racist argument. In addition, you still haven't explained how you managed not to realize that people protesting the BNP were protesting an anti-Muslim group. You know when you asked if the protest would also be willing to protest an anti-Muslim group. You have managed not to understand that your question did not and does not make any sense. I am not the only poster to point this out to you.

    I think I made it very clear why I wrote that we must be concerned about:

    No, you have not. Repeating the question over and over again, does not make it clear. This is especially true when the question was discussed and answered the first time you asked. Most, if not all, countries make decisions about what can be shown in the media both at the government and media level. Since the BBC did broadcast the show, did have Griffin on the show, and certainly has at least equally controversial guests on their programs, your already answered questions seems even more strange since you keep repeating it without discussing responses to it. Now, I know what you really want to say, as you have written it many times. Let me spell it out for you, okay? You want everyone to mistakenly believe that Jews control Western governments and media. You want people to believe this and hate the idea of this false conclusion. Then you want to use this false conclusion to encourage people to disbelieve Western governments and media because of your false claims that they are controlled by Jews. All the while you have made almost no comment about the BNP, their policies (which you did not seem to know about when you commented on the protesters as shown in your quote above) and in fact, you seem to feel their is some 'logic' to their racist argument.

    Yes, I understand you fully.

    Posted in: Anti-fascist protesters breach security at BBC

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    kinniku

    That is indeed a silly claim, whatever the claim is. Unfortunately, I never made that claim.

    Yeah, you did.

    sabiwabi 10:51 AM JST - 23rd October

    I wonder if Sarah feels the same way about anti-Arab voices being heard (constantly) on the MSM.

    Unless you have a ghostwriter you wrote that. Interesting how Sarah was protesting against anti-Arab voices on the BBC, ie the BNP and you had no clue whatsoever that that is what she was doing.

    As you can see, I have not misrepresented your views at all. I have shown you didn't have a clue what the BNP was all about. Funny how you can never point to such misrepresentation. That is of course because I merely point out what you write. Funny how you try to deny what you write. Again, just like Griffin does.

    But many feel that Griffin should not have the right to express his views. I am not saying you feel that way, just that many people do feel that way.

    So? They have a right to their opinions. You are correct that I do not feel that way. I like the dirty laundry to be aired.

    All I am saying is that if we start blocking people from expressing certain views, we have to be concerned about:

    Yes, but people do have a right to protest that which they feel is offensive. That is their freedom of expression, too.

    Who decides which views can and cannot be expressed? The BBC? The government?

    Why do you keep writing this? I have asked and answered it. Do you disagree with my answer? If so, it would be more effective to specifically state your disagreement.

    Posted in: Anti-fascist protesters breach security at BBC

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    kinniku

    Huh? I was simply asking a question on principle. If you have an answer, how about giving that, instead of posting personal insults.

    Is there any particular reason why you have not clicked 'show all' above? The questio has been asked and answered by myself and others numerous times. Please read the responses. The term supremacist group fits perfectly. This has been proven over and over again in this very thread and the other BNP thread.

    Posted in: White-supremacist fringe party invited to take part in BBC program

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    kinniku

    To be fair I'd say Obama's hands are pretty much tied in all this. Not a lot he can really do if he doesn't want to pay the price that JFK payed.

    Umm...Kennedy supported the Vietnam war. I realize you are attempting to hint at a conspiracy theory. However, it fails when compared with reality.

    The question is would these people be better off if Saddam were still around.

    Compared to the way things ended up now? Any intelligent person would have to say 'no'.

    And for what? Democracy doesn't seem to be very strong in Vietnam these days.

    Probably because the US did not win that war. Equally, the US has not completely won the war in Iraq either. That is why people are still getting killed.

    Posted in: 147 killed in Baghdad suicide car bombings

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    kinniku

    Grafton,

    Sorry, I just wanted to add that average Muslims in the UK are not to blame. In fact, the real blame lies with the lying BNP. Extremism should not be tolerated. I just wanted to be clear about that. I realize you must have been talking about Muslim extremism (I hope so anyway) and not Muslims in general.

    Posted in: Anti-fascist protesters breach security at BBC

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    kinniku

    They could always send in someone for a delivery and then remotely blow the whole thing up when the guy reaches destination.

    Yeah, or it could have been aliens, or the cookie monster, or a really funny practical joke gone bad. It is interesting that you seem to lack the ability to see anything as it really is. Suicide bombings are not exactly unique. Welcome to reality.

    Posted in: 147 killed in Baghdad suicide car bombings

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    kinniku

    Grafton,

    Another excellent post! Well done!

    Posted in: Anti-fascist protesters breach security at BBC

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    kinniku

    I was responding to opinions expressed in the article and on BBC News that Griffin should not be allowed to express himself in public.

    I forgot this part. This protesting is also a part of a free society. People are free to protest things they don't like. Welcome to democracy.

    Posted in: Anti-fascist protesters breach security at BBC

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    kinniku

    Grafton, In this instance you really do seem to know next to nothing about what I have posted.

    I disagree completely. Grafton has aptly pointed out that it seems you do not no anything about the subject (considering you have written absolutely nothing specific to the BNP or to Griffin). For example, you made a silly claim that you wouldn't not expect the protesters to protest against anti-Muslims, when that is exactly what they were doing.

    Personally, I think you agree with the BNP much more than you are willing to let on. In fact, your response to both the BNP articles here has been tepid to say the least. You even went as far at the beginning of the discussion to claim that you did not understand why people were calling them supremacists (LOL!), and you continued with that strange line of thought even after it was proven that they were and are indeed racist white supremacists.

    Please do not rely on kinniku's distortions and misrepresentations.

    LOL! Heh, you sound like Griffin. Specifically, what distortions and mispresentations would you be referring to. There have been none on my part whatsoever. You seem to constantly forget (as Griffin often does when asked about quotes of his in videos he has been in) that everything we write remains here unedited (one of the many nice things about JT).

    And so I still think that at the heart of this issue is: Who decides which views can and cannot be expressed? The BBC? The government?

    In most country both the media and the governments do. In a free society, such as Britain, people are allowed to air opinions that people may find odious. That is why the BBC let him speak. So, what exactly is the point of your question?

    Posted in: Anti-fascist protesters breach security at BBC

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    kinniku

    neverknow2,

    I think you are living up to your name. IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei is not from the US and his policies are clearly not US policies.

    Posted in: U.N. nuclear inspectors arrive in Iran

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    kinniku

    Nice to see these "antifascists" behaving like fascists.

    Free speech for all means that both Nick Griffin has a right to be heard as do the voices of the protesters. That is democracy.

    Posted in: Anti-fascist protesters breach security at BBC

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    kinniku

    The problem with blocking freedom of expression is:...

    The problem with a lack of reading ability is that you can have trouble understanding that nobody block any thing or anyone and that pretty much no one here on JT has been suggesting that he should be blocked. Nick Griffin was on the BBC. You can see him on Question Time on YouTube as well as all of the videos detailing his racism.

    Posted in: Anti-fascist protesters breach security at BBC

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    kinniku

    JoeBigs,

    While there may be Republicans who are racists, I think it is inaccurate to call the US Republican Party a racist political party. Unless you can point to otherwise, I do not believe the Republican party has a constitution/charter that specifically states they will not allow non-whites to be members of the party or to run for the party.

    Again, although there may be comparisons with a member or members of the Us Republican Party and the BNP, comparisons on the party level fail. In fact, they tend to detract from how seriously racist the BNP is.

    Posted in: White-supremacist fringe party invited to take part in BBC program

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    kinniku

    Everyone grows tired of BS after a while.

    Well, about one fifth are not tired yet.

    One in five 'would consider voting BNP' after Nick Griffin Question Time appearance More than a fifth of the public would consider voting for the British National Party, according to the first opinion poll taken since the appearance of its leader, Nick Griffin, on Question Time.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6417906/One-in-four-would-consider-voting-BNP.html#

    Posted in: White-supremacist fringe party invited to take part in BBC program

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    kinniku

    “It was not a serious event, from a safety issue,” Cole said in front of his Salem, Ore, home. “I would tell you more, but I’ve already told you way too much.”

    Why? Did the aliens tell you to keep it a secret when they transported you to their spaceship and back?

    Posted in: Pilot that overshot airport says crew wasn't napping

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    kinniku

    To me racists think. Extremists and Supremacists do.

    Well, the only reason the BNP haven't 'done' anything yet is that they are not in power. Were they to be in power they would 'do'. So, yes, they certainly are extremists and supremacists. BTW, extremist and racist refers to the strength and scope of their racism. That is what the words refer to. For reference, please look at the above definition of racism.

    So far these people have done nothing but blow out their ideas.

    Again, only because they are not in power yet. The Nazis also 'blew out' their ideas and that did not work out very well after they convinced a population to vote them in.

    Some will bite but most won't. Everyone grows tired of BS after a while.

    I certainly hope you are right. In addition, I agree 100% that the BNP is BS.

    Posted in: White-supremacist fringe party invited to take part in BBC program

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    kinniku

    skip,

    I would agree there are many problems in the UK that need to be taken care of. The BNP has been taking advantage of the dissatification to use it to their advantage. However, Griffin himself admits it is just saying what people want to hear in order to get in power. Then they plan to do as they really would like.

    I read on one of your links that the Neo Nazi types aren't too happy about them for various reasons. Now that is scary.

    Yes, Griffin refers to the voices that call on the BNP to go back to the days of anti-semitism. The BNP in their desire to be accepted have temporarily shifted their racist focus away from Jews (as detailed in quotes above) toward Arabs and members of the Muslim faith. As such, they claimed to support Israel's 2006 war with Hezbollah in Lebanon and encouraged Israel 'to leave a bunch of greasy spots where the Arabs were. It is this fake support for Israel that is rubbing the neo-Nazis the wrong way. In one of my video links you can see as Griffin, appearing along side David Duke, tries to smooth things over with a white supremacist group explaining that although they really share all the same values as the group the BNP have had to make adjustments to their message in order to attempt to get into power. That is the real scary thing.

    Posted in: Anti-fascist protesters breach security at BBC

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