Wednesday February 15, 2012

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    kinniku

    HeyLars,

    It is not a matter of splitting hairs. You claimed to prove I was incorrect using a wikipedia page that, in fact, showed I was correct. This shows you did not read the very page you claimed to have read.

    I have already said that the man had the same name as another person and that was the source of the mixup. Do you have a problem with the names the FBI listed as of September 27th, 2001? You see, there have been no mistaken identities since then and the FBI apologized before that for the mistaken identity in question.

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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    kinniku

    HeyLars,

    You also might want to notice that you acknowledged the antagonism Iran has for Israel when you wrote 'Israel, Iran's sworn enemy**. When you have an enemy, it generally means you are not at peace with them. Get it?

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    kinniku

    HeyLars,

    You are incorrect. Iran and Israel are not on peaceful terms. Iran cut off all diplomatic ties with Isreal in 1979 and immediately declared Israel and enemy of Islam. If you think this is an example of a peaceful relationship between countries, your definition of peace is a lot different than mine. Oh, better burn that memo pad before someone realizes you don't know what peace means.

    Posted in: Iran begins production of cruise missiles

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    kinniku

    BTW, I wonder where Ahmadinejad gets his information.

    Voices in his head.

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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    kinniku

    If you're not able to connect the dots in the link, too bad.

    They are not 'dots' to anything. They are half-truths and cut and pastes to make the reader think one way when the facts actually point in another direction.

    One example, your conspiracy site mentions a New Jersey paper saying explosives were found in a van, but neglects to mentions that 8 minutes later that same newspaper issued an update that the police confirmed there were no explosives in the van. Again, this is selecting information to make people see something in a way that does not reflect reality. That maybe ok for some, it sure is not for me.

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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    kinniku

    Kinniku, thank you for finally telling me where you got the information. Before you just said you were surprised I didn't know it, as if it were common knowledge.

    Sigh. You are welcome. However, first, that is not where I got the information. As I said, I don't like wiki that much. Second, when I gave you the information, you said it was not true and used a wiki page to prove it saying it did not contain the information I provided. Therefore suggesting I must be incorrect.. You wrote 'sauce' in your response. The problem was the information I provided that you said was not on the wiki page you provided, was in fact on that very page. It seems to me you did not even read it before you tried to use it to incorrectly say I was incorrect.

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    kinniku

    JHansen and Grafton,

    Excellent points all around.

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    kinniku

    HeyLars,

    As far as the Saudi guy and his family, as I accused you, you made some comments but provided no proof, no links, no video. No nothing. Just your word.

    Sigh...the 'comments' I made saying the family acknowledged the hijacker was a member of their family came from the wiki link you provided when you incorrectly said it did not say anything about the hijacker's family. I can't help it if you did not read the very link you provided.

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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    kinniku

    Its up to us to find the truth out there among all the disinfo.

    Honest question, then why it is that Truthers deseminate disinfo instead of the truth? The site you linked in one great example of half-truths and half-quotes out of context linked in one article in such a way to make things look completely different than the actual events. This is the very definition of disinformation.

    These are not 'little mistakes'. Sites like the one you linked completely misrepresent what people have said and done. That is not what 'truth' means.

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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    kinniku

    Meanwhile, Israel, Iran's sworn enemy, a missle's throw away and also believed to be nuclear.

    Gee. Maybe Iran should stop swearing and just make peace then.

    Posted in: Iran begins production of cruise missiles

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    kinniku

    HeyLars,

    Maybe you should learn to read before you speak. You were mistaken about the Wiki entry about the Saudi hijacker's family earlier and you did not fess up.

    Have a look at our Israeli "friends".

    Why? There is no law against being callous or an idiot. I know you have never been to the Middle East because you have no idea what Israelis and Palestinians look like. So, I will help you out. Middle Easterners see things very differently then people in the west like you do. They see much more violence first hand and as such are much more used to it. Did you know the Israelis only taped the second crash, not the first? Nah, you probably did not. Why bother checking things when blinding believing a website designed to guide into a certain direction is so much easier. Did you further know the Israelis were at work when the first plane hit and were acting like idiots and joking in front of their American co-workers. They then decided to get in a van and video tape the building as it burned, as many others did.

    Again, there were no explosives in the van, zero, zilch, nada, nanimonai. There were no Arab costumes, zero, zilch, nada, nanimonai. There was also no dancing and no video of anyone dancing. There were just some Israelis acting like idiots. Sorry, but acting like an idiot, while idiotic is not illegal and it is certainly not what one would expect of people that were involved in what you are obviously trying to claim they were involved. It further does not make sense that they would then try to sue the US government.

    Again, this is not about defending some government position. Heck, I don't even know the US government's position and I could not care less. It is about looking at things and deciding for myself what is real and what is not. This certainly cannot be done merely by looking at a site created and run by a conspiracy nut, nor can it be done by merely looking at wiki, which seems at times to be written by anyone who had a keyboard and an internet connection.

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    kinniku

    sabiwabi,

    I looked at all the info in that link and then I actually looked at real sources. There is nothing there that is damaging. There were no explosives, there were no Arab costumes and there was no one dancing, except for Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza where they were jumping for joy. In fact, four of the Israelis attempted to sue the US government for millions of dollars for being detained, hit and whatever while in custody by the police and US authorities.

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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    kinniku

    RomeoRamenll,

    It seems there is some confusion, but the link you provided still seems to suggest it is Adam Gadahn.

    Posted in: Pakistan arrests American-born al-Qaida spokesman

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    kinniku

    stevecpfc,

    Sounds cool. Kobe's a great city.

    I agree. Extremists of any shape, religion etc are scary people. Just like this character Adam Gadahn is. Let moderation reign!

    Posted in: Pakistan arrests American-born al-Qaida spokesman

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    kinniku

    In that case we would only use religions as meaningless labels. Hey, today I am Muslim, yesterday I was Christian, tomorrow I'll be Jewish, and ...

    Except that is not the case here. Adam Gadahn converted to Islam as did Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens). Adam Gadahn became an extremist nut, Yusuf Islam did not. That does not mean they both did not convert to Islam. There is no record of Adam Gadahn changing religions daily. So, I'm sorry. I do not know what you are on about.

    Neither Adam Gadahn's Jewish grandfather, who he seems to hate nor the Jewish grandfather's membership in a Jewish group, which you seem to hate have anything to do with this at all.

    Posted in: Pakistan arrests American-born al-Qaida spokesman

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    kinniku

    sabiwabi,

    Again, there are extremists in all shapes sizes and religions. This article describes one of them and he happens to be Muslim. Get over it. You claim, with no specific proof whatsoever, that the man is pretending to belong to the Islamic faith. If you were to say, he is not acting as a real Muslim should, I would agree. Just as I would agree if you were to say the same about any extremist of any religion. However, that is not what you are doing. You are claiming that he intends to fake being a Muslim and it not only makes no sense, you have no specific realistic reasonable reason for thinking so.

    There is no mountain of evidence of Adam Gadahn faking his religion. All you seem to have is a Jewish grandfather he hated and said he hated and the grandfather's religion which Adam Gadahn also said he hated. This is the reason I think your comments don't make sense. Of course you have a right to your opinion. It is just my feeling that it does not make sense.

    Anyway, I knew the CNN video did not exist.

    Posted in: Pakistan arrests American-born al-Qaida spokesman

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    kinniku

    stevecpfc,

    I find it so sad that, yet again, you claim something exists and it absolutely seems to not exist. Israel has nothing to do with this discussion about the non-existence of a video of Israelis you claimed were video taped laughing and jumping in front of the burning toweres. You claimed a video existed. It does not. I asked you several times to point out where such a video is. You could not do so. You were mistaken.

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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    kinniku

    I've been looking for that link for some time. Can't seem to find it, but I certainly did see it.

    It sounds to me like it does not exist.

    but I do not make stuff up...

    It sure sounds like you just did.

    His (Adam Pearlman's) hateful words makes me suggest he is a fake.

    Why? You don't believe there are extremists in the religion of Islam, just in every other religion? I guess you have not met many people. Extremists exist in all shapes sizes and religions. This article describes one of them and he happens to be Muslim. Get over it.

    That his grandfather was an important member of the ADL supports that view.

    Why? It does not have to have anything to do with it and from all appearances it does not seem to have anything to do with it. Especially since Adam Gadahn clearly hated his grandfather's religion.

    That he would speak harshly about his grandfather's religion, rather than his organization, further supports that view

    Ridiculous. It is much more likely that it speaks to his hate of the religion. He was distancing himself from that religion, which he said he hated.

    Sorry, even by your standards you are not making much sense this time.

    Posted in: Pakistan arrests American-born al-Qaida spokesman

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    kinniku

    sabiwabi,

    I can possibly say that I have checked the site you mentioned and found it extremely misleading and inaccurate because it is a mix of cut and spliced quotes meant to make people think a certain way as opposed to showing all the facts as they are known. To wit, there are no 'dancing Israelis' on that website.

    Plus, there is no video of what you like to refer (but no witnesses do) as the dancing Israelis so that we can judge whether the term is accurate or not.

    the parts do not correspond to those that we would expect from the kind of plane that is alleged to have hit the Pentagon.

    They most certainly do match the plane that hit the Pentagon. Again, since you are only checking the kinds of sites that say what you want to hear, you only get that part of the story. The parts do match and are from the plane that hit the Pentagon.

    No, they carefully selected a few shots that show nothing.

    No, they show very specific recognizable parts of the very specific plane that hit the Pentagon. Why don't you know this?

    The Palestinians were not celebrating the 911 attacks.

    I already addressed this above. Yes, they were celebrating the 911 attacks. Anyone interested check out:

    http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp

    Claim: CNN used old footage to fake images of 'Palestinians dancing in the street' after the terrorist attack on the USA.

    Status: False

    In other words, it is an urban legend that they weren't celebrating the attacks. In other words, they were doing that very thing.

    So, sabiwabi, tell us where we can see the video you claim shows Israelis dancing (aka jumping and laughing), celebrating, high-fiving, holding up their lighters while filming the burning towers and dressed up as Arabs.

    It does not exist. If you have access, show us where to see it.

    The interview in Israel is accompanied by false subtitles. As such it is rather useless.

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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    kinniku

    stevecpfc,

    Checked it. No video whatsoever showing Israelis laughing and jumping as the towers burn in the background. I guess you were mistaken again. Thanks for the confirmation.

    Posted in: Iran's Ahmadinejad calls official version of Sept 11 attacks a 'big lie'

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