JAPAN NEWS AND DISCUSSION
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Why do Japanese change their attitude when they communicate with foreigners?
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Confrontation
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U.S. Navy investigating how parts fell off aircraft near Atsugi
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California court to decide if SeaWorld whales are illegal 'slaves'
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Kuroki reported pregnant 2 weeks after denying relationship with Akanishi
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kinniku
It seems Ahmadinejad does not have a TV, radio or any access whatsoever to any news outlet:
From the article:
He has also questioned the Sept 11 death toll of around 3,000, claiming the Americans never published the victims’ names.
On the 2007 anniversary of the attacks, the names of 2,750 victims killed in New York were read aloud at a memorial ceremony.
Basically, it seems that if we start with the correct premise that Ahmadinejad does not seem to have any reasonable access to international information that would allow him to know the simple fact that the names of the victims has been known and published for years (it is not exactly a matter of national secrecy), it stands to reason that he doesn't know what he is talking about in other aspects of his case.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims.section.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,62151,00.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2003-09-09-wtc-official-list_x.htm
In fact, it took less than a few seconds to find the above list.
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kinniku
sabiwabi,
Just because Adam Yahiye Gadahn came from a partly Jewish family has nothing to do with anything. His grandmother was said to be the editor for some Christian newspaper. Does that mean a Christian church was involved in 911? Anyway, it still does not change the fact that al-Quaeda was involved in 911.
BTW, I wrote I don't like wiki so much. However, wiki still shows Ahmadinejad did not clarify his remarks. In fact, his government confirmed them by saying the same thing again last month and the month before. Oops! Guess they can't deny it or their support for Hamas and Hezbollah since they have admitted that too!
Is basically a nut that got to be president of Italy. Scary stuff. The guy actually claims al-Quaeda videos were produced in Italy on the orders of Silvio Berlusconi. So, using him to further your case just shows how little a case you have to present.
Anyway, Bollyn/Dawson/Cossiga are a bunch of nuts cut from the same cloth with a bunch of silly fantastic theories but no reality to back them up.
The hijackers have been confirmed by family and witnesses. Sorry, the tin-foil hat brigade loses again.
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kinniku
HeyLars,
Just popped back for a sec. Lee H. Hamilton never said the official version of 911 was a 'lie'. So, I am confused as to why you think he is relevant to this particular conversation.
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kinniku
HeyLars,
I gotta go. However, I have specifically responded to your points with counterpoints. You and Ahmadinejad have not made your cases sufficiently. We know how many people were killed on 911 and we know who they were. We know who the hijackers were and we have witnesses and family who confirm their IDs. Then we have people saying things that are patently untrue. Ahmadinejad is one of these people.
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kinniku
HeyLars,
This article is specifically about the 911, not Iraq or anything else. Thus, your links is not connected. It is as simple as that.
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kinniku
The actual hijacker Abdulaziz al-Omari was eventually confirmed by his family in Saudi Arabia. Funny you don't know this either.
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kinniku
There were two people with the same name. This is not a new story. Funny you can't keep up.
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kinniku
HeyLars,
You forgot to mention that your youtube has nothing to do with this article.
Moderator: All readers, please keep the discussion civil.
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kinniku
HeyLars,
To your challenge about what hijackers were on what planes:
Generally I don't like wiki, but there are footnotes to lead you to the sources of information. Maybe you should have actually looked into this a bit before commenting. Heh, maybe Ahadinejad should have too. Nah, he loves to shoot his mouth off as we can see in this article.
Again, we will probably have a bunch of tin-foil hat people saying how Ahmadinejad was misunderstood about this remark too. Heh, I guess they never learn.
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kinniku
sabiwabi,
Hmmm...al-Quaeda says they did it. We know who was on the planes. We know they are dead. There is no proof of Israeli or Mossad involvement in this case.
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kinniku
HeyLars,
Do you actually read the links you provided? There were no explosives in the van. Also, there was no one dancing. I decided not to look further at your links after that. After all, your two big points were proven wrong by your own links.
Ahmadinejad was interviewed and questioned several times about his comments in 2005. Ahmadinejad has declined on those several occasions to distance himself from his own remarks when directly questioned about the quote. He has never tried to specifically clear up what he said in the five or so years since it was said. Add to that that Khamenei has repeated similar specific remarks just last month and the month before and the result is that Ahmadinejad meant to say what he was quoted as saying. This is not a matter of what I post. It is a matter of him not ever clarifying what he wrote.
Funny you can't point to him saying he was mistranslated or misquoted even once in the past five years since his comments started a whirlwind of speculation. I guess that is because he does not wish anyone to think he was misquoted or mistranslated.
We will probably see other people claim he did not say what is reported here in five years, too. That and his ridiculous Holocaust remarks. Yeah, poor guy. He and Khamenei are two misunderstood nice guys who mean absolutely no harm to Israel. That is why their country supports both Hamas and Hezbollah in their attempts to destroy Israel (you know like it says in their charters). It is because Iran loves peace and wants to make the Middle East warm and friendly...not.
It does when there are questions about it and they are raised over and over again. Obviously Ahmadinejad prefers people to think he meant what his own government's new agency said he meant.
Nah, what is silly is having the need to use about 10 different user names in the past year to peddle the same tired opinions. Keep forgetting your passwords?
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kinniku
HeyLars,
Of course, it matters that Ahmadinejad has declined on several occasions to distance himself from his own remarks when directly questioned about the quote. He has never tried to specifically clear up what he said in the five or so years since it was said. Add to that that Khamenei has repeated similar specific remarks just last month and the month before and the result is that Ahmadinejad meant to say what he was quoted as saying.
Funny you can't point to him saying he was mistranslated or misquoted even once in the past five years since his comments started a whirlwind of speculation. I guess that is because he does not wish anyone to think he was misquoted or mistranslated.
We will probably see other people claim he did not say what is reported here in five years, too. That and his ridiculous Holocaust remarks. Yeah, poor guy. He and Khamenei are two misunderstood nice guys who mean absolutely no harm to Israel. That is why their country supports both Hamas and Hezbollah in their attempts to destroy Israel (you know like it says in their charters). It is because Iran loves peace and wants to make the Middle East warm and friendly...not.
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kinniku
Just to be clear: There is tons of evidence pointing to al-Quaeda and zero evidence pointing to CIA/Mossad.
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kinniku
Ahmadinejad has never ever said he was misquoted. Never, ever. If he has specifically said he was misquoted and he did not mean that he wanted to see Israel disappear and if you can further show that last month and the month before Ayatollah Khamanei did not specifically call on other Muslim countries to help Israel into oblivion, I would love to see it.
The Dubai police have NOTHING linking Israel so far. Zero, Zilch, Nada, Nanimonai.On the other hand, al-Quaeda themselves have admitted to being involved in 911. Add to that that the al-Quaeda protectors, the Taliban, also have a nasty habit of blowing up and killing civilians and it is patently obvious al-Quaeda was behind 911 and that the Taliban cheered them on.
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kinniku
Yes, LIBERTAS. Because the Taliban just want to win the hearts and minds of the local people, right?
From the article you seem not to have read:
'The Pakistani Taliban have staged numerous attacks that have killed hundreds across Pakistan, and they are suspected to aid militants involved in attacks across the border in Afghanistan.'
In case, you are having trouble. The Taliban kill civilian purposely all over the region. It is kinda hard to see why you would seemingly support such a group.
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kinniku
Sorry: Easy, as compared with the 9/11 in which there is plenty of evidence pointing to Al Quaeda, so far Dubai police have NOTHING specifically and conclusively to show Israel/Mossad was involved at all. Yet, you seem to cling to that.
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kinniku
HeyLars,
Good advice. People should Google 'dancing Israelis' so that they can see no one was 'dancing' and that the whole thing basically did not happen as some conspiracy fanatics would like to say. Thanks for that!
Oh and Ahmadinejad never ever said he was misquoted by Iran's own Islamic Republic News Agency about what he said in 2005.
sabiwabi,
The difference between 9/11 and the Dubai investigation? Easy, as compared with the 9/11 in which there is plenty of evidence pointing to , so far Dubai police have NOTHING specifically and conclusively to show Israel/Mossad was involved at all. Yet, you seem to cling to that.
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kinniku
stevecpfc,
No, as I wrote, what I don't accept is any notion that Israel does not have a right to exist side by side in peace with Palestine. Both sides need to accept this and stop fighting. This idiocy with symbols and violence over basically nothing that we can see in this article should be replaced by the two sides talking until all the disagreements are settled and the two sides can live in peace. That is what I want and what most, if not all, Palestinians and Israelis really want.
If you cannot see I am saying both the Israeli and Palestinian nations have a right exist, possibly you need to get your eyes examined.
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kinniku
The International Court of Justice was merely ruling on the legitimacy of the wall that Israel put up in the territories and saying that it was illegitimate to put up on wall on occupied territory and it says no such thing about 100% belonging to the Palestinians. Now, that is what might result from negotiations, but it does not say that. That is not quite the same as you are saying.
I believe in a Palestinian state made from the West Bank and Gaza created through land for peace negotiations. The reality is that, although it will become the Palestinians state, it has not been Palestinian controlled for hundreds of years. It was controlled by the Ottoman Empire, the British Empire, Jordan and Egypt and now Israel. So, this talk of giving it back to the Palestinians as if it were taken from a Palestinian country is incorrect. BTW, there is no debate that it did belong to Egypt and Jordan. In fact, Jordan even officially annexed it. Funny, did not hear anyone in the international community complaining about that or the Gazans rotting under Egyptian rule. Now that Israel is in control, the Palestinians finally have a chance at getting their nation for the first time in hundreds of years. How is that for irony? It would be nice if both sides took advantage of this irony and made peace through land for peace negotiations as described in the UN and the ICJ and to which all logical and reasonable subscribe instead of this nonsensical fighting over symbols and what have you. Stop fighting and start talking.
What I don't accept is any notion that Israel does not have a right to exist side by side in peace with Palestine. Both sides need to accept this and stop fighting. This idiocy with symbols and violence over basically nothing that we can see in this article should be replaced by the two sides talking until all the disagreements are settled and the two sides can live in peace. That is what I want and what most, if not all, Palestinians and Israelis really want.
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kinniku
The audio of the conversation described in this article is available here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G5xV_N8N1U
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