Wednesday February 15, 2012

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    kinniku

    Sigh. Please do try to stop on topic a bit. You said UNSC referred to East Jerusalem as Palestinian land. I said I thought you were mistaken. I checked and you were. The UNSC did not refer to East Jerusalem as Palestinian land. The ICJ ruling was overturned by the UN anyway. All of the resolutions are non-binding anyway. The only thing that counts is negotiations for peace. Land for peace as is referred to clearly and plainly in UNSC. You claim you are unfamiliar with the idea of land for peace. However, the UN is not and the world is not.

    Never mind Finklestein, you need to re-read the UNSC again.

    Posted in: Israeli police, Palestinians clash at holy site

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    kinniku

    I do not want to get caught up in other of your easily deleted tangents. However, as I wrote earlier I do believe the UNSC does not specifically says East Jerusalem is Palestinian land. You claimed it does. Reading the resolution says it does not. In addition, the judges of the International Court of Justice were certainly not unanimous in their decisions on this issue and this shows how difficult this case is. In fact, their decisions were being made way after both Jordan and Israel had captured the land and were obviously influenced by the current political climate more than the actual realities of the case as it was and really is.

    The reality is that Palestinian Arabs have not controlled the areas in dispute as a nation for hundreds of years. They certainly did not last century or the century before. They did not control it when it was captured by Jordan or Egypt. The only hope they have of both control over those areas and further getting their own nation is brought about by Israel having taken over this territory. There was no international discussions of giving the West Bank or Gaza to the Palestinians before Israel took them over.

    Negotiations instead of this stupid fighting is the only way to get them the nation for which they yearn. No negotiations means things stay as they are. That is not good for anyone is the long run except people who want to fight such as the ones described in this article.

    Posted in: Israeli police, Palestinians clash at holy site

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    kinniku

    I don't believe UNSC resolutions refer specifically to East Jerusalem as Palestinian land. The land was captured by Jordan and then by Israel.

    As to what will happen to East Jerusalem in the future, that needs to be decided in negotiations. Negotiations that, so far, Palestinians have been rejecting in favor of fighting meaningless fights such as the one decribed in this article.

    BTW, this clash is in no way related to any planned demolition, because the plans have been postponed and Netanyahu has urged the mayor to reconsider the plan altogether.

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    kinniku

    featherhead,

    If the Palestinians are not willing to negotiate for a peaceful settlement, they will not get a Palestinian nation side by side in peace with Israel. The 'Native Americans' never got that choice. Hamas does, and they choose not to take it at this point. Hamas must finally recognize Israel's right to exist and recognize that without negotiations there cannot be peace.

    This idiotic fighting solves absolutely nothing. People getting hurt and killed for 'rumours' is also a sad shame and a waste.

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    kinniku

    If Mossad did it and it is shown they did it, so be it. I will sleep just fine either way. However, this plan of looking at faces to try to determine who has Israeli duel citizenship is in fact idiotic. Those are really wonderful police/immigration authorities there in Dubai! They actually think they can tell who is an Israeli duel citizen even if they were born in Europe. Yeah, right. Good luck with that!

    Posted in: Dubai police: Hamas agent was drugged, suffocated

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    kinniku

    Dubai's finest have also announced more idiocy. They plan to look at European people's faces and listen to their accents when they arrive in Dubai to determine whether they have duel citizenship with Israel. Good luck with that!

    Posted in: Dubai police: Hamas agent was drugged, suffocated

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    kinniku

    Dubai's finest have also announced more idiocy. They plan to look at people's faces and listen to their accents to determine whether they have duel citizenship with Israel. Good luck with that!

    Posted in: Dubai police: Hamas agent was drugged, suffocated

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    kinniku

    No, we only have people saying what they think with absolutely no evidence. Dubai has made no evidence public implicating Israel. In fact, the only evidence points to three Palestinians arrested and being held in connection with the killing. These three people are said to be members of Hamas. Dubai police just saying they think it is Mossad, which they have been saying without showing any evidence whatsoever that it could be them, is not evidence of anything. Right now, all that has been made public is the three Palestinians and speculation, rumours and blindly blaming Israel. Until they have more than this, there is absolutely no reason to think Israel was involved and lots of reason to think Hamas was.

    Posted in: Dubai police: Hamas agent was drugged, suffocated

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    kinniku

    I know you like to claim how much Mossad 'screws up'. However, you seem to misunderstand what the words mean. Anyway, the media and people like you have repeatedly accused Israel have being involved in this case. Yet, not one piece of evidence has surfaced to link Israel. Nothing. Zero. Zilch. Zip. Some Israeli experts say they think Mossad is involved. Some say they think they aren't. I say we should wait and actually see if any actual evidence comes out. However, some would prefer to just blindly blame Israel.

    So far, all anyone knows for sure is that three Palestinians were arrested and are now being held in Dubai in connection with this murder. Further, it has been suggested these three people were Hamas members. That is all the evidence there is right now that has been made public. So far, it sure is not pointing at Israel.

    Posted in: More Israeli names match new Dubai suspects list

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    kinniku

    stevecpfc,

    Of course, this could be the first time. However, as of yet, there is absolutely no evidence connecting Mossad/Israel to this case, that includes CCTV images. In fact, you completely incorrectly claimed some Israeli politicians had admitted Mossad was involved and you went so far as to claim this was broadcast on BBC, CNN and Fox. Of course, we all know that was completely inaccurate. So, what we have discovered is that some people are willing to write and say anything as long as it can be used in an attempt to implicate Israel in something.

    I find it simply amazing that some expect us to automatically believe it is Israel when we have no specific reason to do so. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. However, falsely claiming Israeli politicians have said something they certainly have not said certainly makes your case much less convincing.

    Posted in: More Israeli names match new Dubai suspects list

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    kinniku

    They have absolutely made no evidence public linking Israel/Mossad to this case. It is not a matter of not making all of the evidence public as they have made none public. This leads me to believe that, at this point, they don't have any evidence pointing to Israel. They do, however, have plenty of evidence linking Palestinians, seemingly Hamas members, to this case in the form of three Palestinians arrested and being held in Dubai in connection with this case. There are plenty of Israeli intelligence officials saying it is not Mossad. Despite many being 'convinced', no one has actually brought any evidence into the equation as of yet.

    So, again, all we have so far is three Palestinians being arrested and held in connection with this case and, so far, no evidence pointing to Israel or Mossad.

    Posted in: Dubai police: Hamas agent was drugged, suffocated

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    kinniku

    stevecpfc,

    It is not a matter of belief. You made a claim of facts and you cannot back it up. Why not just admit you were mistaken and that absolutely no Israeli politician has admitted Mossad was involved and that no such admission was broadcast on TV? Anyone can make a mistake.

    As far as things unraveling. You have been saying basically since this killing happened. Yet, all we have is three Palestinians, said to be Hamas members, who have been arrested and are now being held in Dubai in connection with this case. We have no solid and specific evidence of Israeli/Mossad involvement as of yet. We just get the same repeated information and speculation neither of which point in any real and specific way to Mossad/Israel.

    Posted in: Dubai police: Hamas agent was drugged, suffocated

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    kinniku

    BTW, still no evidence of Israeli/Mossad involvement. Rumours and random blaming don't count.

    Posted in: Dubai police: Hamas agent was drugged, suffocated

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    kinniku

    stevecpfc,

    Maybe. Anyway, what I'd really like to see is one name of an Israeli politician, of any religion in case you are worried, you claimed admitted Mossad was involved in this case and then further claimed was broadcast on TV. Still have not seen any such thing. Which leads me to believe it is not true.

    Posted in: Dubai police: Hamas agent was drugged, suffocated

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    kinniku

    Here we have yet another article with absolutely no specific evidence pointing to Israel or Mossad. However, we do have three Palestinians, who are said to be Hamas members, arrested and being held in Dubai in connection with this case. So, so far, if there is any conspiracies or spy stuff, it seems they are connected with Hamas and the Palestinians.

    Until further real information comes out, that is all there is.

    Posted in: Dubai police: Hamas agent was drugged, suffocated

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    kinniku

    More idiotic fighting instead of talking and negotiating for peace. We can only pray that this so far endless cycle will someday be replaced by talking, cooperating and negotiations that lead to Palestinians and Israelis each having their nation side by side in mutual recognition and peace.

    Posted in: Israeli police, Palestinians clash at holy site

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    kinniku

    As others have mentioned, Pixar was started in California. They are planning to open a new studio in Vancouver BC and their Pixar Canada site is already online.

    I think both have their own wonderful qualities and comparing US and Japanese animation styles is really like comparing apples and oranges. Just enjoy them for what they are. That's what I say.

    Posted in: Are American animated films better than Japanese ones in terms of quality?

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    kinniku

    sabiwabi,

    I understand you support Hamas and you support what they do. However, the fact remains Al-Mabhouh was a weapons dealer. Plain and simple. He was a death dealer. He helped Hamas to continue to avoid their responsibilities to their people. Hamas has continued to avoid the road to peace since coming to power. Hamas that has taken Gaza to the brink in a very short time. In 2005, Gaza was Israeli free and the Palestinian Authority controlled the border between Gaza and Egypt. Hamas managed to ruin that. Al-Mabhouh's weapons dealing would only have helped Hamas to ruin it further.

    Just because Dubai police say they are 100% sure (I believe they say 99% BTW) does not mean it is true. That is not evidence in and of itself. Neither are experts when other equally expert people have the opposite opinion.

    Mossad has never "screwed up" this badly before. They have never used their own countrymen's passports in the past. We don't know as yet that they have now. What we do know is that assassination was certainly successful. We also know three Palestinians are, so far, the only people to be arrested and held in this case. We have further been told that they seem to be Hamas members.

    Other than circumstancial evidence nothing specific has been provided thus far. That is where the case stands right now. Were this to be Mossad, I and others have certainly made our opinions clear that it would be a big screw up only because they involved their own countrymen. Other than that, the hit was successful. Screw up implies that it was not.

    Anyway, all we have is a bunch of opinions one way or the other. We have absolutely no facts pointing to Israel or Mossad as of yet. If you have some specific facts, I am sure the Dubai Police would love to hear from you, not to mention a few European countries and some Israelis that had their ID's stolen.

    Posted in: More Israeli names match new Dubai suspects list

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    kinniku

    Al-Mabhouh was a weapons dealer. Plain and simple. He was a death dealer. He helped Hamas to continue to avoid their responsibilities to their people. Hamas has continued to avoid the road to peace since coming to power. That is nothing about which to cheer.

    Again, (and again) nobody is saying Mossad is perfect. However, you seem to blame them for everything. In fact, you used to blame them and Israel for Hamas' rockets until Hamas' admitting they were doing it forced you to give that up.

    Being realistic is not the same as being narrow.

    It is when you neglect to see that, as of yet, there is no evidence of Mossad involvement and that there are plenty of experts, both Israeli and not, who think Mossad was not involved.

    Where is your evidence that you think they are involved in this case?

    Posted in: More Israeli names match new Dubai suspects list

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    kinniku

    Sorry, should have been: Quite frankly, while some are saying it is political considerations, ...

    Posted in: Europe in no rush to follow Dubai killers' trail

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