Wednesday February 15, 2012

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    kinniku

    Kinda doubt it was the PLO since they don't exist anymore.

    Quite frankly, some are saying it is political considerations. I think it is that Europe is in no rush because of the person killed and the plain fact that there is, as of yet, no clear and specific evidence pointing to Israel. As SuperLib pointed out, why would they want to waste resources trying to find out who killed a terrorist, especially when it is possible that he was killed by Hamas themselves? After all, the only people arrested and held so far are Palestinians said to be Hamas members.

    Posted in: Europe in no rush to follow Dubai killers' trail

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    kinniku

    “She’s decided it’s time to go back to doing things that she loves,” Gibbs said Friday.

    'Go back'? So does this mean she did not love working at the white house? If so, she should have quit before this trouble started.

    Posted in: White House social secretary Rogers resigning after gatecrasher controversy

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    kinniku

    sabiwabi,

    Do try to be nice. I have never made up anything as you well know. Of course other intelligence agencies have used passports of other countries. Russian intelligence has been well known for such activities for one example. Other agencies have also been caught in the act of espionage. Mossad is not unique in that regard at all. Anyway, I will not get dragged into another of your high risk deletable tangents.

    Al-Mabhouh was a weapons dealer. Plain and simple. He was a death dealer. He helped Hamas to continue to avoid their responsibilities to their people. Hamas has continued to avoid the road to peace since coming to power. That is nothing about which to cheer. You claim to know who and why Hamas killed Palestinians. However, I think it is incorrect to call Fatah 'traitors' to the Palestinians. If anything, it is Hamas that has taken Gaza to the brink in a very short time. In 2005, Gaza was Israeli free and the Palestinian Authority controlled the border between Gaza and Egypt. Hamas managed to ruin that. Al-Mabhouh's weapons dealing would only have helped Hamas to ruin it further.

    Posted in: More Israeli names match new Dubai suspects list

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    kinniku

    goodDonkey,

    As you have correctly pointed out, Mossad is not any less prone to being imperfect than any other intelligence agency. However, the event in 1997 is not an example of stupid actions. It is an example of unsuccessful ones. This time, Israeli citizens' passports were used. If it is Mossad, it would be an example of stupid actions, although the mission did prove to be successful.

    Posted in: More Israeli names match new Dubai suspects list

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    kinniku

    Both the Times and al-Jazeera have reported that sources say al-Mabhouh was traveling under false documents. However, so far, both Hamas and Dubai deny this.

    So far, the only people arrested in connection with this case are Palestinians.

    Posted in: More Israeli names match new Dubai suspects list

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    kinniku

    sabiwabi,

    Yes, it is the standard practice among most countries. That is a fact. Mossad has not got "caught" any more than other spy agency. In fact, they have not, as yet, been 'caught' regarding this case.

    a-Mabhouh was a weapons dealers for a group that uses their weapons randomly, eg rockets and floating bombs and uses their weapons to kill their own people when they disagree with them. This is a reality. That is not defence. It is an offence to anyone who loves peace and wishes for peace in the Middle East. Again, I do not say killing him was right. However, I am not shedding any tears over his loss.

    Posted in: More Israeli names match new Dubai suspects list

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    kinniku

    grafton,

    That is certainly an interesting point about al-Mabhouh's passport. I guess I am a bit naive myself as I just assumed he used his own passport. Did he also enter with a faked passport? If so, you are absolutely correct that the silence about this part of the case is quite deafening.

    I think we both agree, if (it is of course still if at this point) Mossad was involved, the head of Mossad should be required to resign. It will not only be other countries' governments, it will be Israel's very own citizens who will be up in arms over this.

    It is also interesting that we have not heard much more about the three Palestinians arrested and being held in Dubai and what their connection to the case is. So far, they are the only arrested links to it.

    Posted in: More Israeli names match new Dubai suspects list

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    kinniku

    Again, we still don't know for sure who was behind this killing. However, since Israel and Dubai do not have diplomatic relations, Israelis are not considered guests in Dubai anyway. Now, I know you will come back with 'Yeah, that's right.' or 'They should not be.' or whatever. However, that is my personal point.

    You certainly have an interesting point about the use of another country's passport. However, to say this kind of thing is only limited to the particular countries whose governments you don't like and not standard practice amongst most, if not all, intelligence agencies speaks of naiveté.

    Posted in: More Israeli names match new Dubai suspects list

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    kinniku

    Sorry, should be: Since we do not know that it was Israel/Mossad, there is not much more to be said than that.

    Posted in: More Israeli names match new Dubai suspects list

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    kinniku

    I have from the beginning expressed my opinion that this action, were it to have been done by Israel, is counter-productive. I have never written that I support it. Since we do not know that it was Israel/Mossad. There is not much more to be said than that.

    It is not a matter of thinking highly of Israel. I merely stated the fact that Israel leads the world in medical device patents and is a leading in other technologies that help mankind. I find it interesting you would claim this is because the 'steal technology'. That's kind of like the people that claim Einsteing stole his theories. However, the patents and technologies are in fact Israeli and were not stolen or whatever.

    Never said Israel can do no harm or no wrong. I have merely been saying there is no specific evidence that Mossad/Israel is involved. Invectives towards leaders of Israel that you don't like does not count.

    Posted in: More Israeli names match new Dubai suspects list

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    kinniku

    stevecpfc,

    It really is a simple request. Could you please tell me the name of the Israeli politician you said admitted it was Mossad that did the hit in Dubai? I could not care less about the religion of said Israeli politician. I would just like to know the name.

    Thank you for the clarification about the telephone booth. So, you are talking about something in 1987? I think you said it was a few years ago. That is certainly not 'a few years ago'. So, forgive me for not having the ability to random access such information. There was also an incident in 1987 involving Canadian passports. Anyway, Mossad was not specifically shown to be involved. Yes, they were suspected, as people suspect them here. Yes, Britain protested, as they have here. According to reports, in 1987 Israel did say they would not use British passports again.

    Posted in: 15 more suspects in Dubai hit

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    kinniku

    I am not saying 'it was okay'. I am merely pointing out that some are suggesting Dubai is a friendly country. Since they do not have diplomatic relations with Israel, it is incorrect to say they are 'friendly'.

    I realize you would like to take every and all opportunities, whether they present themselves or you wedge them into a conversation. However, you are certainly the only person I have ever seen to suggest Mossad and/or Israel are not particularly talented or smart. Israel leads the world in medical device patents and is a leading in other technologies that help mankind.

    I also find all the feigned shock that an intelligence agency 'may' be involved in an assassination extremely amusing. Yeah, right. Like this kind of thing has never happened before with other countries. Remember the guy thought to be poisoned to death in Britain by Russia?

    Bottom line, so far, no specific evidence of Israeli/Mossad involvement.

    Posted in: More Israeli names match new Dubai suspects list

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    kinniku

    MrUSA,

    Actually, since US car makers finally started to sell cars in Japan that actually have the steering wheel on the right side, there are a lot more US cars to be found here now. However, since they are newer, they certainly would not be considered clunkers.

    Posted in: The Japanese continue to break their promise. They said they would allow American cars to participate in their cash-for-clunkers program but have rigged the rules so that few can.

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    kinniku

    I like Riki Takeuchi snarly face better!

    Posted in: Guitar smash

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    kinniku

    I agree with womanforwomen. Both of these fine atheletes did a great job. Mao Asada has absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. She will come home a hero to people in Japan and to people all over the world. Both Yona and Mao were a class act. It is a shame that the Olympics always end up becoming a whining contest amongst spectators from different countries. This is particularly true of non-Japanese in Japan who almost seem to take an obscene pleasure when Japan does not get a gold medal in something.

    I know you will not read this, but 'Good for you Mao!' 'Good for you Kim!'Good for you Joannie!' You are an inspiration to everyone!

    Posted in: Kim Yu-na wins figure skating gold with record score; Asada 2nd

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    kinniku

    Mao has nothing at all to be sad about. She got the silver medal in the Olympics. She will come home and be a hero here in Japan.

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    kinniku

    Well, lots of other Israeli intelligence experts are saying they don't think it si Mossad. Governments demanding explanations doesn't neccessarily means Mossad guilt either. Many of these governments were also convinced of WMD's in Iraq.

    It is most certainly a war between the Palestinians and Israelis. They are certainly not at peace. They are certainly not negotiating. It is interesting how at the same time you claim Israel is some 'great military power' and then at the same time try to make it out to be some bumbling country.

    Dubai and Israel do not have diplomatic relations. This is Dubai's choice. It was not a Dubai citizen that was targeted (one would assume they were targeted) and killed. It was a Hamas member.

    As of yet, we do not have any evidence that Israel did any of the things the press (which contrary to a few people's claims does go after Israel, evidence or not) has been suggesting is Israel's work. If Israel was responsible, they certainly will get a dressing down, not only from the countries now raising complaints, but from their very own citizens whose identities seem to have been stolen.

    Posted in: More Israeli names match new Dubai suspects list

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    kinniku

    stevecpfc,

    No,the bottom line is we are talking about current events and this current case. Not one Israeli politician has admitted that Mossad is involved. You said they have said so and you have gone as far as to incorrectly say it was broadcast on BBC, CNN and Fox. You were mistaken. They have never said any such thing and there were no broadcasts.

    Keep in mind, you did not say they commented on something. You claim, repeatedly, that they admitted something. You were mistaken.

    As to a case you say happened years ago, I have no recollection of such a thing. You have neglected to clarify your comments. However, since there is no doubt you were mistaken about something that is currently being talked about in the news, it stands to reason you might be wrong about something that happened years ago as well. Canada did scold Israel about passports a few years back. Britian is complaining now. However, as of yet, there does not seem to be any evidence pointing to Mossad.

    Posted in: More Israeli names match new Dubai suspects list

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    kinniku

    ahocchau,

    We are talking about mainstream TV, both Jero and the other young man are featured on a lot of mainstream TV shows. Boyle's music is not Top of the Pops either.

    I agree with your game show comment though. I prefer regular people on shows like Attack 25. There is a show called Nodo Jiman in which only amatuers participate. I do agree that the talent agencies do hold sway though.

    Ratings are a factor, I also know this for a fact. To say otherwise is unrealistic. If sponsors know no one will see their CM, they won't sponsor the show. Of course, this is probably much less than you are used to in your own country. However, to say it is not a factor would be incorrect. Popular people stay on TV, unpopular ones don't.

    Moderator: Readers, stay on topic please. From here on, posts that do not refer to the photo will be removed.

    Posted in: Guitar smash

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    kinniku

    You did not answer the question. Okay, in other words, you cannot name one Israeli politician that admitted Mossad was involved? Great. Thank you for admitting your mistake.

    I have never said the current case does not involve British passports. You were talking about some case years ago, and I commented that I believe they were Canadian as I have never heard of such a case involving British passports a few years ago.

    However, the bottom line, that you seem to be missing, is that there is no specific evidence so far pointing to Mossad. All we have is three Hamas members that have been arrested in connection with this case and are being held in Dubai.

    Posted in: More Israeli names match new Dubai suspects list

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