nigelboy's past comments

  • -2

    nigelboy

    Except that they were not fascist militarists.

    They were militarists nonetheless.

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  • -4

    nigelboy

    So nigelboy, I guess you admit that the Empire of Japan was not much different Nazi Germany, than? Thank you proving yourself wrong.

    If you want to play that "angle", I would extend that the Allieds were no different than Nazi Germany.

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  • -5

    nigelboy

    It was example, nigelboy, can't you make a logical connection? So how do you explain the fact that the Japanese empire was good, according to you, yet at the same time sacrifice their men on suicide missions? How is that "good"?

    Thomas.

    Why is this "need" to conclude everything either black or white, good or evil? I gave you an example how events and circumstances that lead up to the war is "gray". You"re no different than a five year old kid thursting to hear your parents reading a bed time story where good will eventually triumph over evil. Like all wars, there are negatives and positives depending on which angle you want to view them at.

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  • -1

    nigelboy

    No Nigelboy, you were saying that say, the kamikaze pilots were forced to go on their suicide mission by evil fascist militarists. But now they were good after all? How do you explain that?

    Never once did I mention "kamikaze" or "fascist". Are you confusing with someone else again?

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  • -2

    nigelboy

    But Nigelboy, I thought you said that the Japanese people were forced to go to war by an evil fascist empire, and now you're saying that the empire of Japan was just all good and dandy?

    "Even contemporary historians could think that 'as for the present war, the Principality of Monaco, the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, would have taken up arms against the United States on receipt of such a note (Hull note) as the State Department sent the Japanese Government on the eve of Pearl Harbor.'"

    You don't even have a clue as to what I said.

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  • -2

    nigelboy

    What a stupid move. This is why Nobel Peace Prize has been a joke.

    Posted in: Japanese constitution nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

  • -3

    nigelboy

    The alliance between Nazi Germany and Japan is a well documented indisputable fact. Ambassador Oshima had a regular audience with Hitler. When Germany lost the war there was wide spread dismay in Japan.

    Boweevil

    I'm not questioning the alliance but your fallacy stems from Nazi Germany=bad, Germany & Japan alliance, therefore Japan=bad simple minded guilt by association deduction.

    There was dismay when Germany surrendered because guess who was coming? Soviets (Stalin). Remember them? Should I use the same logic as well? Stalin=bad, Soviets=Allieds, therefore Allieds (U.S. Britain, French,)=bad.

    How many foreign correspondents actually speak Japanese well enough, especially the written Japanese of the 1940s, to be able to check facts and do research?

    Mister Ed.

    As far as I know, none. Most are here on assignment so they don't even bother to learn the language of their host country.

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  • -1

    nigelboy

    Economically Korean economy are roaring. Recent my visit to Yangon (known as Rangoon), Japanese firms are struggling to get the small slice of market for newly opened nation. K dramas and K pops are capturing the fans there. Samsung and LG have transformed highly competitive brands instead of Sony, Panasonic, Sharp and Toshiba. Korean wave Hallyu is making the hit there. There are some jealousy of Japanese exporters and J ultra nationalists for Korean wave.

    Hmmm. According to JETRO, Japanese imports increased doubled fold in 2012 placing them third behind China and Singapore while Korea has just one third the amount of Japan, 24% decrease from 2011.

    https://www.jetro.go.jp/world/gtir/2013/pdf/2013-mm.pdf

    Feel sorry for this woman for her efforts to promote this route but there already exists signs and stickers (doesn't have to be in any language, just a picture and a direction arrow would be suffice, me thinks). 4,000 with some placed without permission is excessive.

    Posted in: Anti-Korean stickers posted at several points along Shikoku pilgrimage route

  • -8

    nigelboy

    But China and Korea seem to have managed to convince the world that Yasukuni is evil. And as a result, Japan will not win any friends by continuing to visit it . It's a lost cause.

    Just them, still. Still don't know why Korea makes an issue since they fought alongside Japan. They even had their military attaché pay respects as late as 2002. Move onto something else Korea like textbooks on Takeshima and Japan's Naval Ensighn.

    Posted in: Cabinet minister visits Yasukuni shrine

  • -11

    nigelboy

    Axis powers WWii= Germany, Japan and Italy. Logical fallacy? Historical fact. Tokyo War trials set the postwar order which stood the region in good stead for 70 years. Rejection of the verdicts is a rejection of the order which they brought.

    Thanks for confirming the "guilt by association" fallacy. That's why I mentioned "Stalin" but as predicted, it went beyond your narrow mind frame.

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  • -8

    nigelboy

    Even though such documents could have been destroyed in the big fire of 1945:

    There exists such document in 1942 which is basically a volunteer recruitment/screening method using local government agency as an intermediary. No "Draft". No "force".

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  • -10

    nigelboy

    As far as Japan being seen as the villain of the piece...well were'nt they friends with the Nazis? That in itself is a strong argument. Even revisionists like Abe will accept that the Nazis were evil, but then somehow within the revisionist mind-set there is a miraculous disconnect between Japan and its closest allies at the time. 'Oh no, we were completely different from them.'

    Logical fallacy for you can put "Stalin" in place of Nazi.

    In addition, it's an extension of “Foreigners, especially citizens of the Allied nations (during WW2), tend to view the historical truth in terms of judgments handed down by the Tokyo war crimes tribunal,”

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  • -4

    nigelboy

    Sorry, bud, but that is what YOU are doing. You were given direct responses earlier and said, "Well, I was only referring to this and that, not your answer!" earlier, when given examples of the exact of similar behaviour to that which you asked about. Ie. you do not want an honest answer to your own questions -- you only want to hear what people like the right-wing Harakawa have to say, and if you don't hear it, you shake your fists and pull a "We're not Voldamort! YOU are!" response, save that you forget you are the one doing exactly what you declare you are not. Not surprised, though. I still remember when I pointed out to you that Samsung was ahead of Panasonic in sales and you could only reply "In your dreams!", and when it sunk in you could not admit to what you said. Tells a lot about a person.

    Smith.

    The person linked a wiki entry on 朝鮮人強制連行 which I read but apparently you didn't. Unknowing to you, the page basically sums up what I wrote Apr. 10, 2014 - 10:34AM JST in which since their was a labor shortage around 1938, Korean men were recruited on a volunteer basis from 1939 (Company initiated 募集) and subsequently 官斡旋 in 1942 where the local government acted as an intermediate for screening volunteers. As other have stated, prior to that, there were many Koreans who were illegally trying to get into Japan because the government set limits on Korean immigrants.

    So no. The term "forced" or 強制連行 has expanded so much a normal person going to work next Monday fits that description.

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  • -11

    nigelboy

    Kim Seong-hwan (2004). 일제의 침략 전쟁과 병참기지화. SaKyejul. p. 173. ISBN 89-5828-032-8. Of course I can't read the Korean but according to someone who can, over 450,000 Korean males were forced into the war. Kuniaki Koiso was the Japanese Governor General and it was his plan and idea to force them. That is pretty much written by many sources both Japanese, Korean and otherwise. I don't understand Nigelboy why you can't seem to get this.

    Virgo

    Again, using commen sense, if the Japanese government wanted to force "450,000" Korean males into the war, they would simply just issue a "national draft" ordinance in Korea much like they did to mainland. If I were to, let's say, use today's examples, the current Korean government's mandatory draft would be one. The problem with Korean view is that they must adhere to the narrative of "we were forced by Japanese" when the reality, based on historical evidence, is that they volunteered where the number of applicants exceed 60 times the required quota.

    If any more proof were needed that this right-wing lunatic author was looking in a mirror when he wrote this, look at the staccato posts of the apologists like CH3CHO and nigelboy on this. They can't answer a single question you ask them, and only deflect when you answer theirs. And yet this man, who speaks directly to the aformentioned fans and their ilk, purport to be objective while ALL international media is buying into things 'made up' by Korean and Chinese media?

    Smith,

    What is the question? All I see here is what the man stated which is “According to that view, Japan must be the villain, and anyone who attempts to assert something at odds with that is stereotypically tarred as a revisionist who is attempting to gloss over history." Or in your case, "apologists" or "right wing"

    Gotta love it! So they 'merged' with Korea, did they, like two lines in a highway -- not like one country raping and killing thousands in the other. I doubt you'd use the word 'merge' to describe the way the fires of the atomic bombings melted the skin off people in Hiroshima, or how Japanese 'merged' with death in the gulags in Russia after the war. But hey, look on who's behalf you are arguing here, given the article.

    Of course, when you run out of arguments, use some absurd comparisons.

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  • -15

    nigelboy

    No, but I believe it's going to be a hard to find that order, between the number of documents that are not available to the public, the number of documents that have been destroyed, 70 years between since the order happened, and the fact that most of these documents are likely not available on the internet. However, references abound to the fact that the labor was forced. This isn't enough for those who don't want to believe though, nothing is. Hence the need for a time machine.

    Using common sense and logic, to mobilize thousands of people forcibly or voluntarily across the seas requires ordinance to be issued by the top and dispersed throughout local agencies with their specific instructions and roles. No fear Sttangeland. There is in fact an ordinance in regards to Korean Laborers in 1942. No need for time machine. Just a common sense to read the ordinance itself and not "blindly swallowing" anti-Japanese propaganda.

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  • -8

    nigelboy

    Shall we build a time machine for you to go back in time and see it issued directly? For it seems that you won't be satisfied with anything less.

    No. I just like to see the "order" or ordinance in which "A large-scale forced transfer of Korean laborers to Japan" came about. Unless, of course you believe that majority of the government personnel of Japan communicated and gave instructions via telepathy, hence such written material was deemed unnecessary.

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  • -4

    nigelboy

    If the word 強制連行 (kyosei renkou) isn't "forced," then how would you translate it? There is a huge convergence of evidence that it occurred, and even the Japanese government doesn't deny it outright. Rather they have been saying that the issue of liability and settlement of claims were covered at the time diplomatic relations were established in 1965.

    No. I specifically meant what is discussed in the link you provided. As CH3CHO alluded to, Japanese were conscripted first since 1938 where men went off to the battlefields hence the shortage in labor where 国民徴用令 (national draft) was instituted in 1938. For Koreans up until late 1944, such order was not issued. Hence, prior to that, it was volunteer (募集) by companies then (斡旋) where local agency acted as intermediary. No military police (Kempeitai) in the Korean peninsula unlike the mainland where such draft dodging would result in punishment.

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  • -13

    nigelboy

    Try this: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/朝鮮人強制連行 Unfortunately there's no English wiki on this topic. Depending on who's making the claim, the number of Koreans impressed into wartime service range from 600,000 on the low end to over 3 million on the high end.

    I did. It's not a "force", is it?

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  • -7

    nigelboy

    Please tell me how to "link it" to a Japanese history textbook published in 1968! Ienaga's annotation credits Pak Kyong-sik's book "Chosenjin kyosei renko no kiroku" (Korean Slave Laborers).

    Well, it's simple. "A large-scale forced transfer of Korean laborers to Japan was carried out after 1941"

    Carried out, hence a government order to do so which since the required coordination from many branches of the government. What I ask for you simply is the order itself.

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  • -16

    nigelboy

    GalapagosnoGairaishuAPR. 10, 2014 - 09:16AM JST Nigelboy@This is from page 158 of historian Saburo Ienaga's "The Pacific War": As manpower shortages developed in the late 1930s, plans were made to utilize Korean labor. A large-scale forced transfer of Korean laborers to Japan was carried out after 1941. Kim Dae-ski ... tried to evade the labor mobilzation but was caught in 1943 and taken off in handcuffs to work in a coal mine in Kyushu. A Japanese student called up for labor service to construct an airfield on Tanegashima later recalled that although "Koreans were the hardest workers... they were frequently beaten with wooden clubs."

    What is this "large scale forced of Korean laborers"? Is it an military order? If so, link it. You simply cannot mobilize thousand of people without some sort of directive from the government top.

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