nigelboy's past comments

  • -3

    nigelboy

    I have already informed you that I read everything on the AWF website.

    Except the 5 volumes here.

    http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/document.html

    Posted in: Defiant Hashimoto says U.S. troops abused women during occupation

  • -3

    nigelboy

    if you have any problems with the information provided on the AWF site, you need to take it up with them directly, and not me.

    I don't have a problem with AWF's publishing 5 volumes worth of archived documents which mostly consists of evidence that the Japanese government and the IJA were involved in regulation and compliance to prevent wrong doings. What I do have a problem though is you proclaiming that you read them when in fact, you just read the translated version of the documents that AWF selected which is in no way, shape, or form the overall context of the 5 volumes.

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  • -4

    nigelboy

    Is that it Zichi? I took the time to go through all 5 volumes but you, on the other hand, chose the highlighted version selected by AWF which only indicates that there or there may have existed some operators that may have recruited women under false pretenses. Secondly, the Dutch case is well known and is often repeated as some but what you fail to understand that the operation was immediately shutdown when the Superior officer found about the operation further supporting the fact that IJA did not condone such actions.

    And yes. Military had closely and directly controlled these stations acitivities for their control is based on adhrence of regulations and compliance which most of the 99% of the 5 volumes indicate.

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  • -3

    nigelboy

    Zichi,

    I have, on previous occasions, posted the links and summarized my findings.

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/quote-of-the-day/view/there-is-no-evidence-that-people-called-comfort-women-were-taken-away-by-force-or-threat-by-the-japanese-military-if-three-is-such-evidence-south-korea-should-provide-it

    @Aug. 24, 2012 - 10:06AM JST

    The archived documents in the below link.

    http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/document.html

    Today, I read every single page and linked document which are available in both Japanese and English, and the AWF have provided English translations of documents for those who need it.

    Perhaps you could provide the link of the English translated material of the above.

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  • -4

    nigelboy

    Korean women who are in debt with finance firms are often recruited by Korean brokers and sent to Japan (e.g. around Kinshicho, Tokyo) to work for a "delihel" or fashion-health massage parlor. They have no choice to quit the job until they pay back their debt. It seems not much has changed since pre-war era. Sex slavery still continues.

    And this is what Hashimoto stated last August as well. Does Korea want to continuously deal with the ghosts of the past or deal with their current problem which is the current sex trafficking sexual slavery overseas?

    Posted in: Restoration Party member ousted over Korean prostitution remarks

  • -2

    nigelboy

    Kappnets2

    the counterpart of Japan (comfort women system recruiting women from foreign countries).

    That's not what I said. The comfort women system recruited women from Japan, Korea, and Taiwan which the latter two were part of Japan at that time. And hence, as a general rule, the recruitment by IJA in other occupied territories were discouraged or even outright banned.

    The reason behind this, as some of AWF's documents sites, is that the local brothels of the occupied territories were unchecked for there were cases of underaged girls, girls recruited illegally, not medically checked for VD, or the threat of espinoage.

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  • -3

    nigelboy

    Zichi

    You're not even reading (or can't read) the archived documents in the site that you linked to.

    If you do, most of them were legal prostitues hundreds of documenation with age verification for passports, pay scales, reports of medical checkups, requests for additional supplies (condomns), operating hours, requests to go home, etc. Having skimmed through the entire volume of documents (which you haven't), I venture to say that 99% of documents presented on the site you linked to are of regulation and compliance nature.

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  • -1

    nigelboy

    Guru29

    Your whole premise is false from the beginning.

    As to Okinawa itself, this is clearly written in the Reversion agreement of 1972.

    "Considering the United States of America desires, with respect to the Ryukyu Islands and the Daito Islands, to relinquish in favour of Japan all rights and interests under Article III of the Treaty of Peace with Japan signed at the City of San Francisco on September 8, 1951, and thereby to have relinquished all its rights and interests in all territories under the said Article; and Considering further that Japan is willing to assume full responsibility and authority for the exercise of all powers of administration, legislation and jurisdiction over the territory and inhabitants of the Ryukyu Islands and the Daito Islands"

    Hence your sentence of

    "You mean the US government have different positions on the administrative rights of Diaoyu/Senkaku and the administrative rights of Ryukyu?"

    should be corrected to

    "You mean the U.S. government have different positions on the administrative rights which U.S. recognizes of Senkaku and the full sovereignty rights of Ryukyu islands".

    That would be yes.

    As to your previous U.S. statement on Senkaku which states,

    "The United States believes that a return of administrative rights over those islands to Japan, from which the rights were received, can in no way prejudice any underlying claims. The United States cannot add to the legal rights Japan possessed before it transferred administration of the islands to us, nor can the United States, by giving back what it received, diminish the rights of other claimants."

    is in essence saying that "We (U.S.) aren't taking the position of other legal rights we received from Japan in regards to Senkaku nor the other legal rights we gave back to Japan". Of course, this is when PRC officially protested the ownership of the islands after the underwater resources were discovered.

    But of course, the PRC was arguing at that time that Senkaku were theirs because it's NOT PART of the Ryukyu islands, hence in essence, pretty much admitted that Ryukyu was not theirs to begin with.

    And to this day (41 years and counting), the "official" position of the PRC is that it does not belong to them. This is further evidenced by the fact that when People's Daily ran an article about the issue of Okinawa, the Japanese government summoned the Ambassador and he denied that it was the official position and that it was an opinion piece of an individual.

    It doesn't matter since the description in the latter sentence is already covered in the first sentence under "United States as the sole administering authority."

    Again, as pointed out by others, the proposal by the U.S. to UN Trusteeship was never made, hence the U.S. kept the sole administration authority in it's entirety up to the reversion agreement of 1972. This is also covered in the reversion agreement as well.

    In summary, China has absolutely no chance in claiming Okinawa or Senkaku in terms of international law by using these treaties and agreements. In fact, it's probably their weakest argument. Better stick with "XXX is part of China since beginning of time" argument.

    Posted in: Chinese general says Ryukyu islands do not belong to Japan

  • -4

    nigelboy

    As is the case, since there exists very little records to verify the 200,000 number," it must have been destroyed " argument. Sigh.

    This the problem with these academics, namely Yoshimi, who first establishes a high number, then look for evidences to support it. When this fails, he makes a similar argument in that he claims there are still unresearched documents in the archives. This is what he did with "forced" argument as well in expanding the meaning to include those individuals, whom due to economic hardship, became a comfort woman.

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  • -1

    nigelboy

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1542438/China-launches-bid-to-teach-good-manners.html

    It's been over 5 years but old habits are hard to break.

    Posted in: Some Chinese tourists 'uncivilized,' says top official

  • -2

    nigelboy

    Nigel, remember what President Bush said when Japanese media asked him about the shrine. He said he wouldn't visit it and said he understood the honoring of the dead but he had "personal feelings" against it. He said he father Senior Bush was shot down as a fighter pilot by the Japanese. Friendship with Japan asides, personal feelings still lingers.

    Perhaps you could enlighten me on the exact quote of the this media coverage. But in any case, your comment reminded me of this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvzTfdceOiQ

    Back in 06, he repeatedly ask Koizumi on whether he would stop visiting the shrine but K refused.

    He did?

    We don't like the shrine. U.S. "tourists" would visit it and most of the guides are Japanese English speaking guides don't talk about the Class A Criminals. They just talked about the shrine. Most tourists are ignorant but some wanted to see the evil of it as well. I've been there. All my vet buddies had been there. We visited it not to honor it but to see the evil contained in it.

    Considering that you were also "ignorant" of what Class A meant, this is not surprising.

    Intent of the visit is more important than the visit itself. We don't care if the uninformed who visit it. We care WHY you are visiting it.

    To honor the war dead. If these lawmkers say something else to the contrary, let me know.

    Posted in: LDP policy chief to keep visiting Yasukuni Shrine

  • -2

    nigelboy

    At the end, the Americans did transfer the administrative rights of Ryukyu to Japan without consulting the Ryukyuans but said the transfer of the administrative rights will have nothing to do with the final sovereignty of Ryukyu in the following statement:

    "The United States believes that a return of administrative rights over those islands to Japan, from which the rights were received, can in no way prejudice any underlying claims. The United States cannot add to the legal rights Japan possessed before it transferred administration of the islands to us, nor can the United States, by giving back what it received, diminish the rights of other claimants."

    Guru. Those are U.S. position on Senkaku's only.

    It is therefore only logical to conclude that the final sovereignty of Ryukyu is still an unsettled issue and should be settled through the UN trusteeship system as agreed between President Roosevelt and Chiang Kai Shek at the Cairo Conference in 1943 and as described in the San Francisco Peace Treaty signed between the US and Japan in 1951 which says:

    "Japan will concur in any proposal of the United States to the United Nations to place under its trusteeship system, with the United States as the sole administering authority, Nansei Shoto south of 29° north latitude (including the Ryukyu Islands and the Daito Islands)"

    Again, you are missing the last sentence of Article 3 which concludes,

    "...Pending the making of such a proposal and affirmative action thereon, the United States will have the right to exercise all and any powers of administration, legislation and jurisdiction over the territory and inhabitants of these islands, including their territorial waters. .."

    Posted in: Chinese general says Ryukyu islands do not belong to Japan

  • -4

    nigelboy

    CH3CHO, you can't be serious, are you claiming now that the sex slaves for the Japanese troops lived in luxury? It's obvious that article means hill of beans, since they're describing Japanese prostitutes who were hired to service the Japanese generals.

    It's not an article. It's an official report from the U.S. army after the capture of certain IJA unit in Burma.

    For the sake of argument, let's say they weren't forced or fraudulently lead to battlefield comfort stations. Let's say that for the sake of argument. So the next question is then, did these women who were hired as prostitutes, have the choice to quit after they arrived and saw the conditions? What happened to the women who refused to continue to do their work? Did they have the choice to say, I'm not doing this, I'm going home?

    The same report states the following.

    "In the latter part of 1943 the Army issued orders that certain girls who had paid their debt could return home. Some of the girls were thus allowed to return to Korea."

    If the answers are no, then it's still forced prostitution or sexual slavery, even if they were prostitutes. Even in common laws of most civilized nations, it is still against the law to rape prostitutes. So the entire argument that it was OK, because these were paid women, just cannot be justified by using the line that they were professionals.

    Same in Japan during that time. Rape is a crime.

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  • -8

    nigelboy

    I can not find USA ever had Comfort Women system as a country

    Because at that time (WWII) and beyond, they used the local brothels in other countries. As a general rule, IJA prohibited their soldiers to use the local brothels or have sexual relations with local women.

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  • -3

    nigelboy

    Once again, they have time and again. You just choose not to see it. That's called having the blinders on. When it suits you, you take them off. When you don't like it, you put them on and deny everything under the sun and claim attack on culture, victimization, etc.

    Smith. Upgrayedd is correct. Nobody has. If you like, you are more than welcome to provide one for us.

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  • -2

    nigelboy

    How about if people were to say nasty things about the atomic bombs and that they were just a figment of the Japanese imagination? Can we also joke about it? It's funny how you're always here to defend any disgusting behaviour by Japanese politicians.

    Where did that come from? I think you need to distinguish between PC and absurdity.

    Posted in: Hashimoto says he lacked sensitivity to U.S. perception of prostitution

  • 0

    nigelboy

    No offense but SK President didn't mention "Japan" as part of the collective effort on her latest speech in U.S. in regards to dealing with her northern neighbor so the Japanese government acted solo.

    Posted in: S Korea, U.S., China differ over visit by Abe's envoy to N Korea

  • -9

    nigelboy

    This P.C. stuff is getting a wee bit ridiculous. How many have actually been court marshalled for the violation of Executive Order 13387?

    Posted in: Hashimoto says he lacked sensitivity to U.S. perception of prostitution

  • -4

    nigelboy

    The Fund was run by a third party funded by the government without any official government acknowledgement of complicity.

    Under the joint administration of MOFA and the PM's office.

    Not a "wiki" link.....lol!

    No. Looks like there are forces within certain nations that they wanted to continue this to get more money. What the article doesn't mention that the organization in Korea threatened ex-comfort women to not take the funds. Of the 7 that took the funds, they were promptly banned from the said organization. In addition, the NGO group that specifically brought these funds to the Korean organization lobbied the Korean government for their permant ban to enter to Korea.

    Posted in: Hashimoto offers to meet 'comfort women' to apologize

  • -5

    nigelboy

    Yes indeed, that's the crux of the debate isn't it? Japan says these women were volunteers. Korean women says they aren't. Japan says they are sorry that these women suffered through the war, so here's a few dollars, now please go away. Korean women says not good enough, we don't want your worthless sympathy, we just want you to recognize what you did to us and make it official. Japan says no way, you whores are liars. Round and round it goes.

    I believe that the interrogation report by the Allieds I linked to pretty much states they were recruited byprivate operators. Whether or not they were "volunteers" or how many they are, we will never know but it's clearly apparent that the system itself did not have IJA recruit them unlike the Korean government recruitment of their comfort women for U.N., U.S., and their own soldiers during the Korean War.

    Posted in: Hashimoto offers to meet 'comfort women' to apologize

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