nigelboy's past comments

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    nigelboy

    A group of Korean Americans placed a full-page advertisement in The Hill

    And yet just recently, the Korean former comfort women for the U.S. military filed a suit against the Korean government but of course, these people are silent. Don't want to pi$$ off their current landlord.

    Posted in: Former U.S. POWs, Koreans seek conditions for Abe's address to Congress

  • -3

    nigelboy

    Wiktionary entry for 人民 says Japanese adopted 人民 from Middle Chinese.

    The term that is meant then by China versus that of what was established subsequently have two meanings for the latter implies that "people who established a state and formalized society. Generally, it refers to people under governing class".

    http://www.ps.ritsumei.ac.jp/assoc/policy_science/083/083_07_kato.pdf pg79-80

    和製漢語は中国と世界を繋いだ。独立、平等、自由、民主、法制、主権、民族、国際、それまで分からなかった近代思想、近代語彙が中国に入りました

    The words, independent, equality, freedom, democracy, legislation, sovereignty, ethnicity, international and such other modern ideals and words were incorporated to China.

    http://www.china-embassy.or.jp/jpn/rbjw/t718128.htm

    Posted in: Sign of the times

  • -4

    nigelboy

    i seen this logic and kinda of opinion before, in fact how this absolutely wrong and ridiculous opinion convinced you to spread it shows nothing but your lack of understanding of the chinese characters or just your general ignorance, let me explain it to you plain and simple:

    As the link indicates, 王彬彬

    "...社会和人文科学方面的名词、术语,有70%是从日本输入的,这些都是日本人.."

    As in most combination of these characters, it's easy to assume such combinations came about but that's essentially a hindsight. Stop whining already.

    Posted in: Sign of the times

  • -3

    nigelboy

    According Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei, 1969 map proves Diaoyu Islands belong to China.

    .."Hong pointed out that the Diaoyu Islands and its affiliated waters are extended beyond the sheet line of the map in the form of 'border break', serving as powerful evidence that the Diaoyu Islands are a part of China..."

    Yeah. That makes sense. (NOT)

    Posted in: Japan, China hold first security talks in 4 years

  • -5

    nigelboy

    Yeah. Its funny cause lots of my Chinese friends in CA said the same thing. japan "stole" the Chinese characters to use them as their "own."

    Operative word there is "characters". What your Chinese friends don't know is the "combination" of these characters make up 'words' which Japan incorporated first are now used in the Chinese language.

    In fact 中華人民共和国 ”人民” People "共和国” Republic are words derived from Japan that were subsequently incorporated by the Chinese.

    http://www1.china.com.cn/chinese/ch-yuwai/193347.htm

    http://www.suzuka-iu.ac.jp/campana/num16/1608wang.pdf

    Pg 110-113

    Posted in: Sign of the times

  • -3

    nigelboy

    Japan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs just released a map from PRC in 1969 indicating "尖閣群島” (Senkaku Islands) on their official map.

    http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/area/senkaku/pdfs/senkaku.pdf

    Pg 21.

    Posted in: Japan, China hold first security talks in 4 years

  • -3

    nigelboy

    Major firms on Wednesday announced pay rises for workers after sustained pressure from the government in its attempt to push up prices in long-deflationary Japan.

    It's not a simple "pay rises" for this is "base up" or ”ベア’” which along with the regular annual pay raises (定昇 about 2% per year). During the deflationary cycle, these "Spring offensive" didn't even discuss about "base up" until Abenomics kicked in.

    Posted in: Major firms heed Abe's call to raise wages

  • -2

    nigelboy

    That foreigners want to own US govt debt is an indication of the diversity of its investor base. That diversity is a crucial asset. For even if one of the investors sold or was forced to sell it's holdings (say, a bankrupt Japanese government?), others can still be expected to want to buy.

    Nope. USD is a defacto currency of commodity trading. There is a reason why Oil producing countries rank at the top as well. You got all these USD floating around so it's only natural that US debts are bought.

    Posted in: Foreign holdings of U.S. Treasury debt hit $6.22 trillion

  • -3

    nigelboy

    It is quite obvious that the only reason for LDP politicians to express some remorseful words was pressure on the international stage, not sympathy for the victims (there might be some exceptions in the LDP though).

    As if that wasn't the factor for Germany as well. My god your double standards are simple amazing.

    Every atrocity and every crime against humanity should be looked at individually. What is it good for to compare or to equate atrocities or crimes against humanity?

    They are viewed 'individually'. But the scale of the "Holocaust' is unprecedented.

    Btw there are numerous memorials in Germany that are for other victims then Jews and not focussed on the Holocaust. For an overview: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ListederGedenkst%C3%A4ttenf%C3%BCrdieOpferdes_Nationalsozialismus#Deutschland

    Are you trying to help my argument? What I saw on your link basically confirms Weizsäcker point that " the Holocaust, namely ""..The genocide of the Jews..", is ".. however, is unprecedented in history.." where memorials are set up by foreign countries as far as Argentina (set up by Jews who settled various parts of the world after the war, perhaps?) Like I said, concentration/annihilation/labor camps set up by Germans throughout Europe including Germany which in turn became a memorial of some sorts. No need for Germany to set up "important official memorial for foreign victims" for the foreign countries appears build them themselves.

    And what about the "peace" museums in Japan, do they give a balanced view of Japanese atrocities and crimes during WW2? Usually they show only how much the Japanese had to suffer and how brave the Japanese military was. Except maybe for the Osaka Peace museum which was aggressively attacked by ultra nationalist in the 1990ies for displaying some timid hints at Japanese atrocities.

    That's like asking the Ground Zero museum in NY to give a 'balanced view of U.S. crimes' which lead to the terrorist attack.

    As sfjp330 points out the Japanese officials even try to eliminate memorial abroad that could cast a bad light on Japan.

    They asked for the removal of the plaque since the narrative is factually incorrect.

    "In memory of the more than 200,000 women and girls who were abducted by the armed forces of the government of Imperial Japan 1930s - 1945 known as comfort women, .."

    Nobody can force Japan to properly atone for what it did in WW2, but if Japan feels it did something wrong it should take care that this message gets through to the victims of its actions even this requires a bit of symbolism and endurance.

    It did. Even Abe had stated that he and his cabinet would abide by your precious "Murayama statement" but has it stopped? No. So again, I revert to the Kishida statement.

    Nobody who heard the speech thought that Weizsäcker was passing on the buck. This is only you misunderstanding of his words.

    Please read what I wrote previously which is that anybody with an agenda can misconstrue a statement and interpret them as insincere if they choose to do so.

    Posted in: Murayama says Abe risks alienating neighbors if he dilutes war apology

  • -3

    nigelboy

    Wrong, he uses Trauer for all victims:

    What part of "specifically" do you not understand?

    So then please help us a bit... where can we find those public expressions of empathy of the Japanese society towards the foreign victims of WW2? Where are the monuments for foreign victims, where the public museums that clearly depict the Japanese atrocities and when were there any public events in Japan where empathy was expressed directly addressing the foreign victims?

    As to the first question, many leaders have expressed their empathy through written statements and speeches at general sessions of another country (Korea) which followed after Japan executing bilateral treaties to address and resolve outstanding issues as a result of the war. As to your second question, I see you are again trying to equate German atrocities which is relegated to Holocaust which Japan, in any shape or form, was not part of nor conducted anything remotely resembles such crimes against humanity. As Weizsäcker stated in his speech, the Holocaust, namely ""..The genocide of the Jews..", is ".. however, is unprecedented in history.." Why is unprecedented? From a logistical standpoint, there are concentration/annihilation camps in Germany and parts of Europe. When the war was over, the said locations were no longer used. What do the locals do? They preserved it. What followed? Some became a memorial. So no. There are no memorials simply because Japanese did not conduct this type of atrocity.

    Nobody can stop you from interpreting Weizsäcker's speech in your own way, but you are surely the only one with such a reading. There have been numerous international reactions to the speech non even remotely sharing your harsh view.

    If you haven't got a clue yet, I doubt you'll get what I'm trying to get at. What I'm doing here is playing a devil's advocate. If any leader of Japan issues a statement similar to that of Weizsäcker speech where he waters it down by "passing the buck to Tojo", blaming certain elements of their society as opposed to a whole, make a statement where it suggest to absolve the current generation, and to take a jab at the Allies for their wrongdoing as well, I have no doubt that the naysayers will conclude what I concluded in Weizsäcker's speech.

    You're even doing it despite the fact that the statement hasn't been issued yet but the position you assume Abe would take but completely ignore Weizsäcker's public stance on the rejection of the Nuremburg trial which he took to the grave. Talk about double standard.

    Posted in: Murayama says Abe risks alienating neighbors if he dilutes war apology

  • -2

    nigelboy

    The reason why Weizsäcker talks about the "penitential robe" is because a majority of young Germans of the 70ies and 80ies were feeling so personally guilty for German WW2 crimes that he wanted give them some relief. Given the hands-on remorseful German attitude since the late 60ies nobody in Europe felt this was apologetic.

    Seems like wishful thinking on your part. By distancing the current population to that of previous generation and to further blame their 'powerless' nature at that time is an excuse and nothing more.

    And in the original German version Weizsäcker's uses "gedenken" for all instances. It is only in the english translation that words were exchanged for syntax reasons.

    No. He uses "in Trauer" (in mourning) specifically for Germans.

    There had been plenty of crystal clear apologies and it was more important to show that Germans knew exactly what were the crimes, e.g. to name the crimes, and show sincere empathy with the victims of German aggression. And that is were I feel the biggest difference between Japan and Germany, while most Japanese kind of know that Japan had done something wrong during WW2, you hardly find a postwar born Japanese who can tell what exactly were the crimes of the Japanese military and it is very rare to observe any form of empathy towards to the foreign victims of Japanese war rage in Japan, while we frequently observe heartfelt sympathy for the Japanese victims (Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Yasukuni, etc.).

    Again repeating the same when even Weizsäcker through his own admission have pointed out that the Nuremburg trial was in of itself unjust. You only assume that Germany has more empathy when it's evident that the quality of neighbors accepted this ambiguous statement as well as his stance on the unjust nature of the criminal procedure.

    To summarize Weizsäcker statement, it's "Hitler was bad. We were victims, too". Or more simply, "$hit happened. Let's move on cause we contributed so much" nationalistic BS.

    Posted in: Murayama says Abe risks alienating neighbors if he dilutes war apology

  • -2

    nigelboy

    Agreed, as long as Japan adopts laws against hate speech that make it illegal to deny the Nanjing Massacre, Unit 731, omfort women, and other such atrocities carried out by the IJA before and during WWII. Since that'll never happen and denials remain alive and well while the victims die out and history is rewritten, China will not, and SHOULD not, ever accept it.

    This is a classic example of shifting goal posts where the opposition knows that it's unachievable in a democratic country with freedom of speech so that she could keep this issue alive. Not surprised by the poster who suggested this.

    Posted in: Chinese envoy urges Japan to stick to past apology

  • -5

    nigelboy

    I'm not done.

    "The vast majority of today's population were either children then or had not been born. They cannot profess a guilt of their own for crimes that they did not commit. No discerning person can expect them to wear a penitential robe simply because they are Germans"

    I love this because it's essentially stating that who ever defies this is of person with low characters. The subsequent sentences essentially elevates the modern Germans as "we are so above the rest that despite there are no responsibilities to the current generation, we'll take your complaints so fire away"

    He uses words like "commemorate" when he addresses the Jews, all nations who suffered in war, especially the countless citizens of the Soviet Union and Poland who lost their lives, Sinti and Romany gypsies, the homosexuals and the mentally ill, and the hostages who were executed but in the same paragraph, he uses "mourn" "our own compatriots who perished as soldiers. Is there an apology somewhere? And let's not dismiss the jab he takes towards Soviet Union shall we? "bombing crew...destroyed churches and houses in Kleve"? Or shifting the blame to "For a century, Europe has suffered under the extreme clash of extreme nationalistic aspirations".

    You ask why his message resonates so well despite the fact that he has denied the legitimacy of the Nuremburg trials.

    It's simply the difference in their respective neighbors. This is why I quoted FM Kishida.

    Posted in: Murayama says Abe risks alienating neighbors if he dilutes war apology

  • -2

    nigelboy

    So the Murayama Statement is now acceptable in Chinese eyes? That's a change

    But predictable. It's more proof that China wants to keep this issue alive so I don't understand the need for another anniversary statement for Abe had already stated that he and his cabinet stands by the Murayama statement.

    This is why this apology/statement business is totally unnecessary. Find another goal posts to shift, I say.

    Posted in: Chinese envoy urges Japan to stick to past apology

  • -6

    nigelboy

    Is this an attempt to analyze Weizsäcker's speech? If so I have no idea what you are trying to say with these fragmented quotes out of context.

    No it does not for even mentioning "guilt or innocence of a whole people does not exist. Is to blame, as innocence, not collective, but personal." is an attempt to water down. Mentioning "Hitler" by name instead of "we" is a lame "passing the buck". Stating '..The perpetration of this crime was in the hands of a few people.." is again a attempt to absolve guilt of general population of Germany at that time. Calling "the 8th of May was a day of liberation. It liberated all of us from the inhumanity and tyranny of the National-Socialist regime." is an attempt to distancing oneself from the general population at that time.

    In other words, any person who is not willing to accept an apology can nitpick these statements and come to a conclusion that it lacks honesty and sincerity.

    Let's not forget his interview with Spiegel where he states "My father was tried before the wrong kind of court..." and "The sentence was neither historically, morally nor humanly just.". If this was a leader of Japan, it would surely be interpreted as "denial" and would cancel out his statement in 1985. This is a type of double standard that a person like yourself would never admit.

    FM Kishida is correct.

    "A simple comparison of Japan and Germany is inappropriate. The two countries differ in terms of what happened during the war, under what circumstances they engaged in post-war settlements**, and which countries they have as neighbors**"

    Posted in: Murayama says Abe risks alienating neighbors if he dilutes war apology

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    nigelboy

    Do Japanese goverment need to be told about common sense and still don't get it? If that is the case, why is that your Emperor doesn't have to be told not to go to Yasukuni? He must be a wise man. Germans figured it out right away.

    Paying respects for the war dead is universal. Emperor stopped going after 1975 due to the pressure from the Socialist Party when the debate of 'public' and 'private' came about.

    Posted in: Murayama says Abe risks alienating neighbors if he dilutes war apology

  • -6

    nigelboy

    Facts speaks for itself. Most of Japan's PM has gone to Yasukuni. Unfortunately for Japan, they are not well developed and backward thinking to improve relations with neighboring countries. Merkel is just rolling her eyes.

    No. The "fact" is China nor Korea have made an issue about them even during the times when "most of Japan's PM has gone to Yasukuni" until later. It's these types of shifting goal posts and setting a new bar is the reason why apologies isn't necessary for it's a sure guarantee that they would nitpick the words and subsequent actions. It's what they do. It's in their nature.

    Posted in: Murayama says Abe risks alienating neighbors if he dilutes war apology

  • -7

    nigelboy

    Every year, over 150+ of the top Japanese goverment representives visit and pray for 14 class A war criminals.

    No. Please dispense with the dramatics.

    Posted in: Murayama says Abe risks alienating neighbors if he dilutes war apology

  • -5

    nigelboy

    It seems you either haven't read the speech or didn't understand its message.

    "Day of Liberation", "guilt or innocence of a whole people does not exist. Is to blame, as innocence, not collective, but personal.", mentioning "Hitler" five times.

    Let's not forget that he has maintained his father's (a CONVICTED war criminal) innocence even in later years after his statement.

    It is difficult to directly compare the German and the Japanese situation

    It is. As Weizsäcker states, "..The genocide of the Jews, however, is unprecedented in history.." That we agree on.

    And of course, we have different 'neighbors' which fortunately for Germany, are more developed and forward thinking which even Merkel had praised.(France, being one)

    As Koizumi stated just recently, there is no need to issue an apology simply because it marks another decade.

    Japan has proven themselves over the last 70 years that they have become a productive member of the international community and have abided by the pacifist direction where not a single foreign civilian has died at the hands of their SDF.

    Posted in: Murayama says Abe risks alienating neighbors if he dilutes war apology

  • -1

    nigelboy

    What is bi lateral treaties? To benefit Japan?

    It was generally accepted international norm. Since Germany was split, the process of bilateral treaty was difficult. What are you whining about?

    Why has there not been more pressure on Japan to do the right thing by countless innocent victims?

    They did. That's why Japan was able to conclude treaties with the other nations from the 50-60's. With these efforts, that's why Japan was able to gain world acceptance as evidence by their admission to U.N. in 1956.

    Sure, in the Treaty of San Francisco in 1951, signed by the U.S., Japan, and many other nations, this treaty formally settled all issues arising out of the war. However, China was not a signatory of this treaty, which of course was by far the largest group of potential claimants for compensation.

    Republic of China, who represented "China" at that time under U.N. signed a separate agreement with basically the same term which includes waiving such reparations and in turn, Japan relinquish all assets left there.

    When China began opening up in the 70s, one of Japan's first moves was to press Zhou Enlai, to renounce the Chinese people's claims to compensation.

    If PRC is going to be accepted as a replacement member of ROC, they had to assume the agreements signed by their predecessor. If they are not willing to do so, they are more than welcome to leave the U.N. Permanent Security Council right now.

    Germany would never did that to the Jews or French people.

    I have no idea what this means but as far as I know, Germany promptly rejected Greece's request for compensation. Bravo Deutchland.

    Posted in: A simple comparison of Japan and Germany is inappropriate. The two countries differ in terms of what happened during the war, under what circumstances they engaged in post-war settlements, and which countries they have as neighbors.

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