Thursday February 16, 2012

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    sailwind

    BREAKING NEWS on Karen Kraushaar,

    A woman who settled a sexual harassment complaint against GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain in 1999 complained three years later at her next job about unfair treatment, saying she should be allowed to work from home after a serious car accident and accusing a manager of circulating a sexually charged email, The Associated Press has learned.

    Posted in: Cain says he won't be forced out of White House race by sex scandal claims

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    sailwind

    Karen Kraushaar, broke her silence to say she was one of two women who had settled a claim against Cain for sexual harassment back in the 1990s, when she was employed by the NRA.

    She had issued a statement on Friday through her lawyer saying Cain had made a “series of inappropriate behaviors and unwanted advances.”

    And Kraushaar said Tuesday it may be possible to corroborate her allegations.

    “The incidents in question occurred many years ago, but corroboration may still be possible with respect to some of the incidents, and in some cases it may even be possible to find witnesses,” she was quoted as saying by USA Today.

    What I find so frustrating with all this is the above. Ever since POLITICO reported this OCT 30 it has been a "series of inappropriate behaviors and unwanted advances". The woman now has a name and has went public and yet she still won't tell us what it is that he exactly did. This is why this story won't die and why it is still being talked about 9 days later. Mr. Cain has put all his cards on the table and has flat denied he did anything inappropriate. It is time now for POLITICO and this woman to put her actual real allegations on the table and let the public decide if Mr. Cain is telling the truth that they had no merit. The longer these allegations remain vague and not specific so he cannot finally address them the more damage is done to Mr. Cain and his reputation and campaign. Which it pretty much seems to have been the gameplan since this whole thing came out in the first place.

    Posted in: Cain says he won't be forced out of White House race by sex scandal claims

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    sailwind

    “She could have attempted to sell her story, but chose not to do so,” Allred said.

    “If all of these allegations by all of the women who have been reported to have made them are true, then I, for one, am disgusted at Mr Cain’s serial sexual harassment of women,” she added.

    Somebody needs to get ahold of Ms. Allred and tell her that it doesn't bolster your case when your client has a picture of herself with Mr. Cain and friends with her arm around him less then a month ago. From the Pulitzer Prize Winning Chicago Sun Times....I kid you not.

    The Cain Encounter ...

    They hugged each other backstage in a full embrace like old friends.

    She grabbed his arm and whispered in his left ear.

    She kept talking as he bent to listen, and he kept saying “Uh, huh. Uh, huh.”

    http://www.suntimes.com/8592168-417/sneed-witness-says-cain-accuser-hugged-him-during-tea-party-meeting-a-month-ago.html

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    sailwind

    Article has been updated.

    Speaking on ABC’s “Jimmy Kimmel Live,” a late night comedy show, Cain said he would hold a press conference about the latest allegations later on Tuesday.

    “There’s not an ounce of truth in all of these accusations… and that’s why I’m willing to do a press conference tomorrow (Tuesday) to set the record straight,” a visibly upbeat and smiling Cain said.

    We'll know tomorrow if everything he has been saying is the truth about these allegations soon enough.

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    sailwind

    Yes, the motivation of mature, professional women coming forward to publicly relive the account of a horny executive who was WAAAY out of line when he made a grope for their genital area has to be suspect.

    Or the motivation of payback for being fired (From the Chicago Tribune also)

    In a dramatic news conference Monday in New York, Bialek, a former employee of the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation, said she had sought Cain's help in finding a new job in July 1997 shortly after the organization had fired her.

    A fired employee finally getting some payback after all these years at Mr. Cain. I'm still trying to grasp the logic of somebody going to the CEO of an organization that had fired her and actually think he was going to try set her up with a new job someplace else. What was he going to do give her a letter of recommendation?

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    sailwind

    This is another example of a ridiculous statement. The mind reels at the state of denial a Herman Cain supporter appears to be going through. This Republican professional woman is likely to undergo an onslaught of attacks for having the temerity to come forward to recall an event she would have rather forgotten -- if not for a sense of duty as a citizen to keep a creepy predator from potentially attaining the White House.

    Or a sense of finally getting out of financial troubles, her hometown paper The Chicago Tribune has this to say about her.

    The emerging portrait of Herman Cain's most recent accuser shows a suburban homemaker with a history of financial and legal troubles, but one who supporters say has the guts to do the right thing.

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    sailwind

    SHE ISN"T PRESSING CHARGES.

    She's not even suing him. There are NO legal preceding occuring.

    Which should give everybody here a real huge pause as to the real validity of this woman and her alleged claims.

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    sailwind

    Where is it written that "real" abuse victims go public/press charges right away? Who came up with this intellectually bankrupt concept?

    Our legal system came up with this intellectually bankrupt concept. It called the Statue of Limitations, A type of federal or state law that restricts the time within which legal proceedings may be brought.

    Yabits, Is it actually possible for you to post anything that does actually does not include insults and denigration of people who do not agree with your liberal democratic view when trying to make a your points?

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    sailwind

    It is understandable that those so emotionally invested in the moronic Cain's candidacy have now rendered themselves completely stupid with grief.

    Address the actual point Yabits. It took this person 14 years to come forward with her allegations.

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    sailwind

    Sailwind seems to be yet another on the Right who would rather wish this woman would just shut the heck up.

    Not at all. Just curious as to why it took her all of 14 years to finally start yakking all of the alleged gory details. I'm sure seeking fame and fortune has nothing to do with it at all.

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    sailwind

    The first thing any woman who Cain came onto would need to to is to find and hire legal counsel. Finding the right one would take some time.

    Sure the heck does, took this lady darn near 14 years to find one after the "alleged incident".

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    sailwind

    Perhaps RCP is ignorant of the women's allegations that Cain hit on them in a sexually-suggestive way.

    So what exactly did he say Yabits, so we can judge if it was really in a sexually-suggestive way?

    Posted in: Cain accuser stands by allegation; he ducks issue

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    sailwind

    The lead Politico reporter on this Politico hit peace....errr ....story, a Mr. Jonathan Martin was just on CNN being interviewed about his scoop. Real Clear Politics wasn't impressed with his answers in the interview they have the video link. They titled it:

    Politico's Martin Still Can't Explain Exactly What Herman Cain Did

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/11/06/politicosmartinstillcantexplainexactlywhathermancain_did.html

    Posted in: Cain accuser stands by allegation; he ducks issue

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    sailwind

    Yabits,

    In the court of public opinion, Cain is accused of -- after being given 10 days lead time by his own admission -- acting like an unprepared, deceptive, arrogant, ignorant buffoon.

    Kindly explain how Politico contacted Cain's campaign about the allegations on Oct 20th and how they responded on Oct 24th and I quote from the original Politico article how it fits with your "facts".

    On Oct. 20, Politico first approached Gordon about whether Cain had been the subject of complaints of sexual harassment.

    Gordon didn’t respond for several days but emailed Politico on Oct. 24 that any dispute about Cain’s conduct at the restaurant association “was settled amicably among all parties many years ago.”

    “These are old and tired allegations that never stood up to the facts,” Gordon said in an email response to Politico. “This was settled amicably among all parties many years ago, and dredging this up now is merely part of a smear campaign meant to discredit a true patriot who is shaking up the political status quo.”

    And Politico published it on Oct 30th anyway after his campaign already had responded to them.

    Posted in: Cain accuser stands by allegation; he ducks issue

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    sailwind

    Yabits,

    What is important here is the realization that at no time did the organization seek to defend the reputation of the person accused of the improper conduct.

    You have no idea if they did not defend Mr. Cain or not. It was handled per their internal procedures 11 years ago and you have no clue what went on during the investigation of the validity of the complaint or not. You have no clue if there were other factors also involved either. Your just speculating.

    The statement from the NRA:

    “Based upon the information currently available, we can confirm that more than a decade ago, in July 1999, Mr. Bennett’s client filed a formal internal complaint, in accordance with the Association’s existing policies prohibiting discrimination and harassment. Mr. Herman Cain disputed the allegations in the complaint.

    Posted in: Republican candidate Cain denies report of sexual harassment

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    sailwind

    The statement from the NRA:

    “Based upon the information currently available, we can confirm that more than a decade ago, in July 1999, Mr. Bennett’s client filed a formal internal complaint, in accordance with the Association’s existing policies prohibiting discrimination and harassment. Mr. Herman Cain disputed the allegations in the complaint. The Association and Mr. Bennett’s client subsequently entered into an agreement to resolve the matter, without any admission of liability. Mr. Cain was not a party to that agreement. The agreement contains mutual confidentiality obligations. Notwithstanding the Association’s ongoing policy of maintaining the privacy of all personnel matters, we have advised Mr. Bennett that we are willing to waive the confidentiality of this matter and permit Mr. Bennett’s client to comment. As indicated in Mr. Bennett’s statement, his client prefers not to be further involved with this matter and we will respect her decision.

    Just for more background on this for folks to consider then is reported in the article.

    Posted in: Cain accuser sticks with allegation

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    sailwind

    Nessie,

    Do you think the AP is making it up?

    Not at all. I think A.P and the mainstream media overall journalistic standards have sunk so low over the past years that a large part of the general public itself has lost a lot of respect for what once was a very honorable profession. For example this article starts off with a woman who *thought *about filing a complaint but did not after all. I understand the desire of the Media to dig anywhere they can to bolster the dirt after Politico started the ball rolling though and that is what gives the A.P cover to call this newsworthy. But in effect A.P and others like it will now just be conduits for anyone in Mr. Cain's past to air their complaints or grudges over the years as the bar has been set so low by the Media that any body with a grudge can be assured they can do under the cover of anonymity. That is what I mean by the lowering of journalistic standards down to the tabloid level. I also think Mr. Cain has just learned a very hard lesson about our media and since he is not really a politician and doesn't have those slick answers down when confronted with the "ever had a sexual harrassment suit?" questions thrown at him, (he didn't it was an internal compliant that was found to have no basis) that was only asked to try get him on the record prior to Politico publishing. That is what has hurt him. This whole thing would have been a big nothing if he had just responded "No I have not but there was an allegation of it on my part during my time as head of the NRA back in 1997 that was resolved years ago." And that would have been that. I really do not think this will hurt him in the long run though. The media does not have the sterling reputation it once had with the general American public after the way they covered the last two election cycles and the general public has responded in kind to their coverage of Mr. Cain by giving the Cain campaign the largest amount of cash donations it has received since this story broke and the latest poll after the story came out shows him still climbing as the number one choice.

    Posted in: Third woman says she was harassed by Cain

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    sailwind

    Just for the record this is about the most boring sex scandal I have ever seen. I mean really a compliant filed against a boss by a female in a corporate office that was duly handled by their procedures and their HR department 12 years ago is the best our main stream media can do to bring down a politician or public figure they don't like?

    Shoot, I still remember back in the days of Tammy Faye and Jim Baker, at least that guy payed actual under the table hush money to Jessica Hahn. Clinton well we all know about that one.

    I think some folks might be on the right track here. Cain isn't ready for the big leagues yet at all in the scandal department, heck he can't even get a woman to come to his apartment for goodness sakes to see his private etchings but darn it seems it is sure is worth reporting on though.

    Posted in: Third woman says she was harassed by Cain

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    sailwind

    Nessie,

    Really? I call B.S. on that one. Did they attack the woman when John Edwards had his scandal? NO. You are making stuff up.

    Did the media attack the woman when Gary Hart had his scandal? NO. Again, you are making stuff up.

    Those were Taka's quotes not mine. My response to them was,

    Taka, The media that called them out first was the National Enquirer, they seem to have a lack of stories on Mr. Cain.

    The point being made that our Main Stream Media at least in the past in United States usually doesn't go after gossip and leaves it to the Tabloids to publish innuendo and smears. Now our main stream media has sunk to the level of tabloids in publishing stories with anonymous sources that has even puts rags like the National Enquirer to shame.

    Posted in: Third woman says she was harassed by Cain

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    sailwind

    The only difference here is the media. If a democrat candidate is faced with this, they attack the women.

    Really? I call B.S. on that one. Did they attack the woman when John Edwards had his scandal? NO. You are making stuff up.

    Did the media attack the woman when Gary Hart had his scandal? NO. Again, you are making stuff up.

    Taka, The media that called them out first was the National Enquirer, they seem to have a lack of stories on Mr. Cain.

    Posted in: Third woman says she was harassed by Cain

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