Thursday February 16, 2012

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    sf2k

    sigh.... yes and? Look, the 500 page IPCC report had a few line changes, but the overall report conclusions didn't change. All East Anglia researches were exonerated.

    get a grip

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    This is mindless and pointless to present counter information because you automatically reply with indignation, no matter how many times you are proven wrong. This thread is done.

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    MrRoadrage at 03:17 PM JST - 15th December

    Is Ontario in the U.S.?

    no, but our weather systems tend to terrorize the NE every winter. Not really a news story.

    I like the snow. Made a 12 foot tall snowman the other day with 10 friends. Never gets old. ;)

    Posted in: Bone-chilling cold grips U.S. Northeast

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    sf2k

    Proof of scientific illiteracy doesn't make problems go away. The problems for the captain of the Titanic didn't disappear just because he looked away. Obfuscating the problem is not a solution. QED

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    This joke is from 1990 and gets recycled every so often by denier PR. So people are stupid and scientifically illiterate. Quell surprise.

    Thus if this petition goes through your hope is that it will infer the meaning that thus all scientific documents are also scientifically illiterate. Fallacy of Association.

    ie: If I can't do math, I failed, thus all math is wrong! Or, I found a math mistake, all the reports use math in their findings, thus all findings are wrong.

    What childish nonsense and not the scientific method. Maybe useful in the pre Renaissance era of religious persecution but people today at least still have an education. For now, anyway.

    Sorry to read about this popping up again, but it's not altogether shocking. I expect deniers to do everything possible to muck up the works, paid for by industries who don't want change, and expelling so much energy in the effort, that if they had bothered to just clean up after themselves they'd be better off.

    Typical Boomer do nothing attitude.

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    Could you imagine if a climate change scientist had to answer any of the deniers here? He'd never get any work done because no one would question what they're saying. So while it cannot be condoned in denying public access to the works, which is now available btw, it is certainly understandable if all he/she has to go by is the level of comment here which are two bit conspiracy theory of the day raving nutter level diatribes.

    Really now, who else would want to talk to you?

    Why I do is because this is free writing practice to pull together all the fallacies of argument and show them up for what they are. And I thank you for it.

    Back to work for me

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    Governments of the world are uniting to fund the project, albeit slowly as noted in the article, to fund a developing nation climate change fund, and ultimately your tax dollars are supporting this. (Hey, thanks!) That's what the article is about, not your misguided illogical opinions. Title does not read "Some guy is bitter about change".

    It's not about you or me and given the attitude never can be. Solving problems is not for complainers, it's for doers. That's where the fun is.

    Japan I see as a vast opportunity of geothermal and hydrothermal. I forgot to mention one project here in Toronto Canada that would transplant well. It's called Deep Lake Water Cooling. Basically a giant tube in the water that saves this city a ton of money in air conditioning costs for the downtown area. Without it we'd need a natural gas plant downtown. Thinking about all the cities around Japan along the coasts, this is doable. Water is colder the deeper you go so you don't need the equivalent energy to make it that way. Yes some energy is needed to shunt the water exchange through it too, but the overall savings are there, and proven.

    Don't see why more can't be done. Others want nothing to be done. If one saves money and the other not, then it doesn't matter what view you have of climate change. If the solutions save money and have a business case then they will get done.

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    @arrestpaul

    I see, so upon reading my comment and discovering the name Muir Russell you went to wikipedia and found out that.... he's a noted Scot, who was principal of the University of Glasgow and a former civil servant for the Scottish secretary.

    East Anglia University is actually not in Scotland but I'm sure you looked that up as well.

    Upon asked to do the inquiry he exonerated the science but took exception to the scientists handling of the public requests to that information. No outcome thus changed in the climate science has been reported.

    I must accept therefore that your comments against me are a massive typo or a typical distraction technique beknownst by the denier trolling minions and not otherwise consistent with a rational person we all know you to be.

    Note as well that in Cancun no country said the facts are unproven otherwise they'd not be agreeing to commit billions of your country's dollars to a collective developing nation fund to help low lying areas and other regions predicted to be affected.

    Climate change is proven. I would suggest seeking guidance on by what metric you can accept basic facts, and if not, a vacation from this topic.

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    Away from the hate, Japan could really get going on geothermal and hydrothermal technology since it's an island nation where the major cities are along the coastlines. Really ideal for the green tech needed to get off so many oil imports. I don't think Japanese want more nuclear power so it would be worth it to try. Given success in Japan on a limited scale already and in other countries, the lessons learned will serve it well for other export markets while improving self reliance and reducing emissions. A win-win-win.

    That way even if Kyoto Accord is dead, the intentions need not be with the result in a more profitable and efficient industrial base.

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    bipedal

    I can see though how your suggestion would work if the metric was the health of a human being instead. That would most likely also solve both problems, particularly asphyxiation by air borne pollutants and the trace metals in the body.

    However asking the fattest nation of people on the planet to shape up is about as difficult as having them admit their culpability in climate change. The two are related of course, excess energy used etc, versus actual human requirements. Comparing the two may help each solve the other rather than focusing on only one side.

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    No, I just bill people. I'm not paying for your generation's mess after all. Thanks in advance

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    Youtube search for "Arithmetic, Population and Energy" and you'll be watching a physics presentation of Dr. Bartlett in 1999 where he discusses these issues. Still holds up and is worth your time if you care to know. Don't worry, the math isn't too hard. Wait for the later vids and the example of the squares will drive the concept of exponential growth home.

    If you still disagree in spite of the exonerated evidence noted before, the tutorial here, or just general common sense, then no one can really help you at this point.

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    @arrestpaul

    """...The inquiry by former civil servant Muir Russell into the scandal at the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit found there was no evidence of dishonesty or corruption in the more than 1,000 emails stolen and posted to the Internet late last year. But he did chide the scientists involved for failing to share their data with critics....""" Source Toronto Star under title " ‘Climategate’ report vindicates researchers"

    """...It must be difficult, if not downright embarrassing, to be a climate change denier these days. After all, the scientists they’ve attacked have been exonerated, London’s Sunday Times newspaper ran a retraction and apology for an article deniers were using to discredit climate change science, and more and more denier “experts” are being exposed as shills for industry or just disingenuous clowns. (Naomi Oreskes’s excellent book Merchants of Doubt offers insight into how the deniers operate.) Meanwhile, evidence that fossil fuel emissions contribute to dangerous climate change just keeps building....""" Source Cnews.canoe.ca under "Science delivers repeated blows to deniers"

    @Hashimoto

    It will be amazing to watch all the buffoons picking up a shovel to tend to gardens. Are you even Japanese? Actually Japan fairs much better than the USA in almost every respect, so I have to assume you're American to make such a ludicrous desire for people to die.

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    we need to reduce population size over the world. Most western nations are not in substantial growth, except for America. This follows as America is a religious country whereas other western nations are less so and dropping. This is why it can't be taken seriously in the third world planning when not even America can heed it's own advice on family planning. If that were to change, not only would that help America stabilize but also help other countries respect American advice.

    Other things to do:

    Step one) End subsidies. Remake or disband the WTO, as it penalizes countries who want to control their own resources in a climate change responsible manner. Trade should be possible but at a lower energy cost without subsidies.

    Step two) globalization died in 2008. Time to re-localize, make things and have local jobs. If I'm paying $100 for shoes shipped in from China, then I can make those locally, still pay $100 and have used local resources and not wasted all that energy. Do that with so many other things and people will have a purpose again.

    Step three) read about Peak oil. We're not going to have the energy we have today forever. As it goes so does our ability to solve these problems.

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    India did a study where an increase of CO2 reduced wheat yield by 10%. The crop represents a large portion of the food supply. So, even without the drought in Australia the food supply is dropping. Without addressing the root causes this will continue.

    Source: Plan B 3.0: Mobilizing to Save Civilization by Lester Brown (Note this book is now up to 4.0 and is a free download that you can read. Look for it at the earth policy dot org website.)

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    the requirement of the reduction of CO2 is that it be below 350 ppm (parts per million) such that we then have a stable atmosphere and are able to grow our food as well. Not 0 ppm. Without it you cannot eat, but too much and the plants that our monoculture use for food are not hearty enough to manage swings between unstable drought and floods brought on by climate changes.

    Food supply has thus been dropping worldwide over the last few years with shortages in India and elsewhere to become more endemic. ie: Australia harvest, and others.

    Your way of life is ending. Is not sustainable, and thus people must suffer for its ignorance.

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    @gooddog

    This is just wealth redistribution from American to the poor countries! If you cant see that then you deserve to have all your money taken.

    Yes. It is unreasonable to have 2% of the population control the majority of the resources. It is unreasonable to make 40 to 100 times what the lowest employee makes. Wealth is in need of some redistribution should your country not wish to be attacked any more, either externally or more likely internally. It would be cheaper than supporting endless war and remove the requirement for Americans to be warmongers.

    America imports a majority of its oil from lesser developed countries. It's not your oil either.

    @realist

    the science has been proven. The controversies were assessed through 4 or 5 different inquiries and amounted to a few line changes in a 500 page report with the conclusions unchanged. Unchanged.

    Thus you have no rational basis for your conclusions and are endemic of the Loser American Boomer Generation that must simply die before we can move on.

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    while it would be nice to have America be a leader, they are not ever going to be any more and it's best if the world can learn to move onwards without them. If products are not penalized under the WTO for green taxes by nations who agree on a climate change fund to reduce pollution then that would be another area of negotiation. Once done then rogue climate change denying countries like China and America can be legally restricted

    Posted in: On climate, the elephant that's ignored

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    sf2k

    I don't know, is there not a "police force" anywhere to close down these sham companies and a court system with laws and statues to protect workers who leave?

    Posted in: The dismay of discovering you're working for organized crime

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    sf2k

    so let's all go out and shop for the holidays and buy more Chinese goods ...oh wait... How about we don't?

    Posted in: Jailed Chinese dissident honored at Nobel ceremony

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