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Alex80@ is that why there was a war on terror?
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Even Tom has forgotten about The Last Samurai, which is probably for the best.
Posted in: Cruising
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Obviously you're not a poker player....
Posted in: U.S. deploys stealth fighters from Okinawa to S Korea
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The only comical bit here is that anyone actually believes Sarah Fisher was anywhere close to Danica Patrick's skill level. Yes, she's irritating and petulant, and yes, she's never passed up an opportunity to capitalize on her looks, but the truth is that she's always been a better-than-average driver. Now that it appears Tony Stewart's operation has the new car figured out a little bit earlier and better than the rest, she's taken good advantage of it. We'll find out whether she has the racecraft over 500 miles to cash in, but it's an achievement nevertheless.
Posted in: Patrick's Daytona pole position makes NASCAR history
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It truly would be a shame for all the 35-yr-old losers' fantasies to be trampled by the knowledge that the women being paraded before them solely to collect their cash are actual human beings with their own lives. And for this woman to shave her head as contrition for living her life as she wants to, not because that's wrong, but simply because she's terrified of being kicked off the gravy train--disgusting.
Posted in: AKB48 singer shaves her head as act of contrition for dating
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Nothing Motoyama has revealed here qualifies as "insight" into why Ichihashi committed murder, so we're no closer to "understanding" his crime. So you're saying that by identifying the breaking point of a spoiled, self-centered narcissist who had the best of everything handed to him (apparently having a fight with his girlfriend, i.e., the first time things didn't go as he'd have liked), we can somehow "protect" ourselves in the future? His crime was selfish and cruel in the extreme, and a woman that had nothing to do with his pathetic girlfriend troubles is dead because of it, and lives of her relatives are shattered as well. So the lesson is to never deny the spoiled rich anything, or else justifiable murder will result? Ridiculous.
Posted in: Ichihashi's former mentor sheds new light on 2007 Hawker murder case
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The event is to be held at Planet Hollywood, not Bally's (thus the PH logos in the background).
Posted in: Reaching for the universe
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People are free to make the choice to smoke, even knowing what they know...That said, the government should simply give up its disingenuous efforts to pretend it doesn't want people to buy its product. Or perhaps turn the theme of its "antismoking" efforts to more of a "You Don't Have to Smoke Them, Just Buy a Lot of Them."
Posted in: Light up a Mevius
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It's pretty clear that there's no shortage of people who just aren't interested in thinking too deeply about it (stopping at the idea that it's somehow only about free speech). If so, so be it. It's more of a "you can't say you were never told" sort of thing. You know what your money is going toward, and if you're OK or indifferent to that, fine.
I just think it's clearly wrong to support inequality for some people and to try to legislate it. The moment you think it's OK for one group to be treated unfairly, you're next, regardless of whether you think this one is your fight.
That's exactly what they are, so that argument begins and ends right there.
Tolerate my intolerance of you, or else you're intolerant. Pure nonsense. Why be so intolerant of some people's sexuality that has absolutely nothing to do with your life? Oh, that's right--because it's "gross and disgusting."
Posted in: U.S. chicken chain sales soar amid gay marriage flap
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@bassoon
If they were the same, there'd be no need to pointlessly change the term, because they'd both be marriage.
The idea is not to be 100% embraced (whatever that would be), just to have 100% of the same rights. Fighting for that is anything but "throwing a tantrum."
I see. Let's just take the prohibition of murder off the law books, then. After all, as much as we don't want people to murder each other, we'll never be rid of it, so people should just protect themselves as they see fit.
Again, your message seems to be "give up." How utterly sad.
Do you honestly think this ever happens, anywhere, or that it happens with some kind of frequency, so much so that it's considered a standard practice to somehow convince churchgoers of something? I guess they're just exercising their freedom of speech. It might be misguided and a dumb way to try to "convince" people of something, to say nothing of the fact that those peoples' acceptance isn't even necessary, but that has nothing to do with the overall fight to make sure everyone has the same rights. Did somebody (randomly capitalize) Straw man argument?
Right, and as we've already established, homosexuals could care less about religions accepting their lifestyle; they simply want to have the same rights as everyone. The religious types and the homosexuals never have to come into contact at all. Curious, then, that it's religious groups that lobby to deny homosexuals their equality. Perhaps they should simply live and let live.
Chick-fil-a gives money to bigoted organizations and proudly admits that fact. No assumptions being made at all.
They're both clearly morally wrong, and both practices have apologists who tie themselves in rhetorical knots trying to justify them.
Unfortunately, in the real world, no one is ever afforded the opportunity to simply put every other issue on hold while one and only one is worked on. Sure, the economy is important to a vastly larger group of people. And guess what? Some of those people who can't put food on the table are even homosexuals. That doesn't mean it's OK to ignore it completely until someone arbitrarily decides the time is finally right to even start thinking about it.
And how exactly would granting homosexuals the right to marry increase the tax burden?
Once more, homosexuals aren't lobbying to have everyone like them or accept them, which is obviously pointless. They're lobbying to have the same rights as everyone. Doesn't matter whether you're a hater of heavy women, because even if you were, it's unlikely that you would then form a group that lobbies the government to deny heavy women the right to marry, correct? You could live your entire life without caring what heavy women do or how they lead their lives. It wouldn't affect you one bit.
By supporting the idea that homosexuals should not have the same rights as everyone else, you're saying it tacitly. You don't have to explicitly state it.
Absolutely. They can feel any way they want. What they can't do is try to have the laws changed to deny homosexuals the same rights they enjoy.
I think everyone on both sides is now comically overstating the quality of the chicken served there. Those who support CFA are pretending like it's an absolute revelation, and have seemingly sworn to make it their sole purveyor of chicken from now on. Those who oppose CFA act like they now have some kind of dilemma, because after all, there simply are no other places to get fast-food chicken, and whatever will they do? I've had a Chick-fil-a less than two miles away and haven't visited it for years. I'm pretty sure I'll find a way to carry on.
I really don't know how this is supposedly not an established fact--we know, for a fact, that Chick-fil-a has given money to the Family Research Council, and Dan Cathy proudly admits it.
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@bassa
Time to make the donuts, yet again. Sigh...
I suppose it is possible that you simply can't see the "uleavings" part. It would fit in with your pattern of being unable or unwilling to see.
Civil unions and marriages are not the same, and the rights afforded a couple in each are different, to say nothing of the fact that some states don't even have civil unions. Civil unions therefore do not suffice, despite what you think is best for homosexuals. And as the two concepts are not the same, the wording is important, obviously.
Me? We're not talking about me. When you tell homosexuals that their equality simply isn't important, you're both demeaning them as well as telling them to shut up and wait.
I'm glad YOU haven't, but there are places where homosexuals are regularly harrassed, beaten, raped, murdered, and treated as less than human. They have quite a larger slate of problems. And your experience is hardly a large enough sample size.
I wish I didn't have to, but some people just need to hear things a few times before it sinks in.
Gee, because the religious types have certainly been level-headed in the matter. Believe away--just don't try to impose your belief in a the magical sky man on anyone else. You see, that's the part they have such a hard time with. No one needs to convince them. However, letting them (and the organizations we've been talking about most definitely identify as Christian) lobby for unequal treatment of the people they don't like is unacceptable and needs to be opposed.
To think it's all clouded in mystery, that we somehow are unsure that any money at all goes from your local Chick-fil-a--at least you're good for a laugh. Yes, Dan Cathy somehow finds money in the street and it has nothing at all to do the corporation of which he's CEO. The whole point of the franchising is that the operators pay the franchiser for the use of their corporate IP. The entire reason why Chick-fil-a is so large today is because of all the cash from the franchisees. But you're not convinced--after all, it could all just be a huge coincidence. And no one ever made any claim that every owner and employee of a CFA franchise is a bigot--just that dollars spent there end up going to bigoted organizations.
What a muddled mess of thinking this is. "you try where you can"? Except you then go on to say it's not important. Yes, it does depend on your point of view, indeed--which in no way implies both are right. Slave owners were once completely certain they were right (and hey, they even had some convenient biblical backup).
First, this simply isn't true--in some places, homosexuals are in fact being physically assaulted and killed simply for being who they are, whether you choose to close your eyes to it or not.
Not at all patronizing in the slightest. But wait, someone once said "you try where you can..."
For a moment, it's almost like you're suggesting that buying fast food chicken is a better answer to the more pressing issue of the economy. Yes, economics are an issue--and? It's really easy to rank what problems are most pressing when they're not yours, I guess.
You have a problem with this? Paying for police and fire protection is something you'd rather your tax dollars NOT go toward? Impossible to please everyone, I suppose. To say nothing of the fact that taxes are mandatory, and what private companies people support with their money (and what those profits are then used for) is not.
I'm not sure even you understand what you're saying at this point. I'm just repeating the simple fact that supporting unequal rights for some people and being OK with some people as second-class is bigotry. You just don't want to own up to it, it would seem, with all this willful blindness.
So as long as homosexuals "accept" and "understand" that they're second-class, there's no problem, right? When you say that religious people (who are operating completely on faith) are free to hold the opinion that homosexuality is immoral because God and the bible say so, how exactly would you suggest the LGBT community go about "educating" them patiently?
I guess that's why I said "time will tell." You know, actual time has to pass, or at least more than one week. The brand is actually at a lower ebb than ever, which should be more troubling to its executive officers. Ask a marketing professional. As for the huge one-day turnout--well, so long as they can keep those three-hour lines going, they'll be fine, right?
Correct--just for what that person uses the company's profits to fund.
@wolfpack
You're a little late to the party, wolfpack--we've already established that no one is impinging on his right to say whatever he wants, just that he uses his corporations' profits to fund organizations that lobby for unequal treatment for some people. But if what you're saying is true and he honestly believes what his religion says he does, I suppose he'll be familiar with the phrases "love one another" and "turn the other cheek." And don't forget supporting slavery and women as the property of men--in the bible, donchaknow.
I guess some basic reasoning powers on the part of the listener are implied. Giving money to hate groups is as it sounds. If he announced he was giving money to the KKK, would you even ask this kind of question? I know you're a fan of "it depends on your point of view" and all.
Sure--Chick-fil-a openly supports the Family Research Council, which has been labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, a nonprofit organization that monitors hate groups such as the Aryan Nation and the KKK. Chick-fil-a also openly supports Exodus International, and organization that claims to "cure" homosexuality by way of religion.
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Yes, they really should stop fighting to be treated equally--makes all kinds of sense.
Once again, no one objects to anything he said (although by your logic, protesters exercising their same rights are 'forcing their beliefs on others"). The objection is to supplying money to groups that support unequal treatment of the people they disagree with. No one wants to deny anyone's right to object--they can do that all they want. They simply want equal treatment.
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And now Dan Cathy has conveniently made it clear that they do, so the chicken sandwich-buying public can make its decision accordingly.
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That should be:
To believe that none of the dollars that go into an independently owned and operated franchise then go on to the franchiser is pretty naive and foolish.
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@bass(insert brainless onanistic toy pun that I've been ignoring for days now)
Just a word, so call it marriage and everyone's happy.
Progress to give everyone equal rights is sometimes bad? As long as you have yours, you're OK, and those that don't are just "whining." This is just who you are and what you believe, I guess. Hope no one (especially the big bad mean old Obama government) ever tries to abridge your rights, because by your own stated viewpoints, you'll just have to shut up and accept it until your opposition deems it the right time to address the issue that they've already made up their mind about.
And they do so largely out of fear and ignorance, until they actually take a moment to think about how some of the actual people in their lives are homosexual--then it's not so scary, after all.
To believe that none of the dollars that go into an independently owned and operated franchise is pretty naive and foolish.
So your plan is to simply ignore the bigotry? When did you give up on the world? And there's the idea again that homosexuals want something above and beyond, not equality.
And there's the patronizing "this isn't important right now" argument. I'm Martin Luther King would've been happy to simply wait until the bigots lynching black people were ready to hear him out.
They give the money that customers (some of which at least might have been homosexual) give them to groups that work to make homosexuals lesser in the eyes of the law. I fully understand why you continually misrepresent this to be the idea that they won't sell to homosexuals--red herrings are important when you don't have an argument.
Why? Again, he exercised his freedom of speech, and that has consequences, both for him and the company of which he's the CEO. Time will tell-- a few days' worth of increased sales versus a plummeting brand image. Which will win out over time?
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The bottom line is that the money "anyone" gives CFA at the restaurant level ultimately makes for more money to donate to groups that want certain groups to have fewer rights than everyone else. And once again, no one ever suggested that CFA was somehow refusing to serve homosexuals.
First, there's not much "alleged" about these groups encouraging unequal treatment. Second, if CFA wants to throw its lot in with them, fine. Other large corporations such as Ford and JC Penney have embraced the LGBT community and reaped the rewards. Those such as CFA that choose to publicly align themselves against it will take their chances, as is their right. And before anyone cries about "bullying," it's not--simply people making decisions.
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@bassa
The word becomes important when someone has always denied it to you.
You don't think this is possible or even desirable? Sad.
Well, when the conservative word on the matter is ALWAYS to marginalize and consider homosexuality disgusting and repugnant, it's hard to "flip-flop." If anything, so-called liberals like Obama are forced to pretend to toe the line artificially to placate the pretend-Christianity of the right.
For the billionth time, the issue is not that he stated his opinion. The issue is that his company gives money to groups that encourage a group of Americans to be treated unequally.
Yes, the people who have been accustomed to treating some people unequally might have a hard time adjusting. I don't feel particularly bad for them.
@sailwind
If you don't worry about the "toilet seat issues" and "other dynamics" of an Adam/Eve marriage relationship, why do you care about the same in an Adam/Steve marriage relationship, enough so that the law has to somehow be involved?
@Noliving
Because those are not euphemisms, they're the terms themselves.
Because it comes at the expense of another group's rights.
Because if you use the term that they use to describe themselves in a pejorative sense meaning "stupid or dumb," it's a bit of an obvious insult regarding who they are, wouldn't you say?
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No, they want "marriage." Do often refer to "different-sex marriage"?
Well, slavery was once considered completely normal and "fundamental," and the idea of man flying through the sky was crazy talk. Progress is a good thing.
I would imagine those who are barred from marrying don't much care whether it's government or religion bestowing some kind of ultimate authority over the institution. They simply want access to it, and I imagine it's equally frustrating that their attempts to obtain it are met with "this is the way it's always been, therefore it can't be changed."
Not sure how I can respond to that, other than to remind you that you are in fact allowed to actually think for yourself; you don't need to cede all your thinking to some other entity.
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Hetero-challenged--that's just it. You clearly believe that they're "less than," and it shows in how you refer to them.
Because that's what it is--why should they accept something less than what it is, with a secondary term for the same thing? Why is that so important to the people who aren't involved in their marriages?
Right, he's a politician looking for political advantage; business as usual. Not sure why it's relevant.
And pointing out that the giving of money to certain groups is not forcing an agenda on anyone--they can make their decisions accordingly. Put it this way--if I was totally indifferent, but then decided I wanted some Chick-fil-a, only to find a three-hour wait because thousands of people were "supporting" them, I'd feel like something was definitely being forced upon me, as opposed to people simply not going there.
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Right--if it's the same thing as marriage, why bother with the euphemism? To protect someone else's precious conception of the term "marriage"? Why should they have to accept even different language to describe what others have? That in itself is insulting and demeaning. What's the difference, indeed?
Why? What would be different other than your delicate sensibilities being catered to?
Very egalitarian thinking here--everyone be the same, or at least have the smarts not to complain.
Why, when they'll only be told to fall in with the majority? How can you educate people who have no interest in even considering something that isn't "traditional"?
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If they'd like to enjoy the benefits of being legally married, obviously they cannot live anyway they want. The fact that you continue to refer to them as "The Gays" is pretty telling, by the way.
That's just it--granting homosexuals the right to marry affects those who aren't homosexuals not a single bit. "Something they may not want"--why? What difference would it make to their lives?
Insert standard Obama rant here.
They just want to have the same rights and could care less what you believe. Asking for equality in the land of supposed equality is not forcing anyone to believe in things they don't want to. Giving money to organizations that seek to deny people equality or change them is trying to impose your values on others.
Posted in: U.S. chicken chain sales soar amid gay marriage flap