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thundercat
Evolve.
Posted in: Canada's governor general eats seal heart
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thundercat
I agree completely with that sentiment. I think it is a rouse that many opportunists take advantage of. If you had been more clear with your argument and come out with this statement earlier I wouldn't have carried on in such a way. Just to be clear though, I wouldn't narrow my classification to simply 'native peoples' as geography plays a role for a number of different demographics and hunting and trapping is a way of life all across Canada.
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thundercat
"Support was a poor choice of words on my part. If you are trying to say that you don't oppose it for your own, very personal, reasons than I'm calling you out on it. Need no to hold a placard, I'd be happy if you just recognized that others hold different values from your own.
I guess the reason that I took such offense to your comments...
...is the mocking, condescending way in which you wrote it. You truely don't have respect for a people's tradition if you make those kinds of comments. As someone who has spent a great deal of time in the North-West Territories and the Yukon I've seen first hand what people do to survive there.
Finally:
By that you obviously mean your morality, not something we can decide for ourselves.
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thundercat
BTW, of the articles that you linked to, two of them didn't work and the other three were all written by the same person, who is also the source of this article. The article is sensationalist to the extreme. One of the funniest things about this article is the number of comments it received from people who were upset with the biased journalism... Hardly compelling support.
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thundercat
Of course there are officials observing the hunt. But remember, these would most likely be the same officials who allow the hunt and set the quotas. How independent could they possibly be?
Cleo, you make the argument that the commercial hunt should be banned because of inhumane practices. You use gut wrenching blood filled descriptions to sway opinion but the reality is, and you've said it yourself, that you still won't support it even if it were humane. Why? Because that is what you believe. You even went so far as to make fun of those who depend hunting animals to survive, before you backtracked and said subsistance hunting was acceptable. These are your opinions. Other people believe other things. Get over it.
Posted in: Canada's governor general eats seal heart
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thundercat
You spend so much time focusing on the 'could i eat the heart' and ignore my other points. Fine may be she said it. What does that change exactly?
Posted in: Canada's governor general eats seal heart
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thundercat
So as long as people have just enough to survive that's ok...
If you want to see differing opinions on the matter just read a little more than
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/05/27/jean-hunt.html
The headline is:
Would have been an insult not accept seal heart: Gov. Gen.
The only article I've read with the 'Could I try the heart' quote is this one.
Posted in: Canada's governor general eats seal heart
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thundercat
cleo, you clearly said
I know very well where the hunts take place, I tried to correct you on that, but you still seem to be on the attack.
Your claim of independent observers is a total farce. Who are these people? Independent observers from the SS? Independent observers from the American Humane Society? From Green Peace? There are no independent observers during the seal hunt. The only ones there are hunters and those who oppose the hunt.
I also already said I was against the commerical hunt. COMMERCIAL hunt. You are against any form of hunting. You use emotional arguments and stirring rhetoric to try and convince others. This is what I have a problem with. Some people choose to eat meat, some people have to eat meat (and some people, like the GG eat raw seal heart during ceremonial affairs). Some people choose to wear fur, some people have to wear fur.
BTW, this story is a little over the top. The entire affair was ceremonial and the GG was offered the heart. Had she declined I'm sure some would be claiming she is an insensitive racist.
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thundercat
cleo, you said:
Which seemed to imply the Inuit were the diehard traditionalists because they are the only ones who live and 'hangout' in the far north. I'm not confused but you seem to be.
As I stated before, some people don't have the option to be vegetarians but you still seem to hold all those who do not conform to your values in contempt. Furthermore, every argument I have from you is an emotional tale of blood thirsty, frenzied madmen bathing in the blood of cute seal pups. Give me something more than just emotional hearsay. Even the E.U. restriction argument doesn't hold water as the boycott is forced on everyone by 'animal rights' advocates who use emotional arguments to sway opinion. Would you still be oppossed to the seal hunt if it were done in a completely humane way? My guess is no... which is strange given the fact that you would have no reason for your opposition, except for your personal beliefs.
Your earlier argument was against both the eating of and commerical use of seals. Now you use an Inuk's argument for eating and commerical use of seals as a way to defend your previous argument??? It seems that the only problem this man has with the seal hunt is that it's not Inuit who reap the benefits.
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thundercat
cleo-
I'm sorry, I generally agree with a lot of the opinions you post on JT but on this thread you reek of ignorance.
That sentence stinks worse than seal carcass.
Do you have any idea how Canada was founded? Fur trading is a tradition that also happens to be commerical. The two do not have to be mutually exclusive.
Another stinker. First of all, it's entire communities that are hanging on to their traditions. Secondly, most of the commercial hunt that you seem to tie in with the Inuit has nothing to do with them at all. Your problem is with the out of work fishermen from New Foundland and Labrador who take to seal hunting to support their families.
To be honest, I'm not a supporter of the commerical hunt either. I'm just tired of listening to people spout off about things they really don't understand. Do yourself a favour and spend a little time learning before you condemn. Just watching Green Peace and Sea Shepard snuff films doesn't count as 'educating yourself'.
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thundercat
I think the article speaks for itself that this was a largely ceremonial and traditional affair. The only way you are going to be able to change that is by building a time machine and travelling back a few hundred years to teach the Inuit how to grow corn and wheat in the tundra.
Posted in: Canada's governor general eats seal heart
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thundercat
She is appointed, not elected.
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thundercat
Hey, good job j-cops! Seems like just yesterday more than one poster claimed that unless this guy turned himself in the cops would never find him. C'mon guys, you know who you are, a little congratulations is in order!
Posted in: Man arrested for murder of woman in Nagano love hotel
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thundercat
Dubya, think you got ripped off if your clock goes from 11:59am to 12:01pm...
Posted in: Woman found murdered in Nagano hotel room
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thundercat
With a name like Laguerre, you can expect he would want war.
Posted in: 4 arrested in plot to bomb NYC temple, shoot down military planes
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thundercat
The reason I mentioned my apprehension about 60 year old evidence is that it is a well-established fact that the Soviets were engaged in fabricating evidence to try and discredit those who did not support them. Criminal investigations from the 1940s or 50s and those conducted now are worlds apart and at this point I don't think there would be any way to separate truth from fiction.
You ask me what I suggest should be done about this? Convicting him with conclusive evidence is the only way. Of course, I have no idea what evidence will be used at trail but if he is convicted on circumstantial evidence alone I would consider it a miscarriage of justice.
Posted in: Suspected Nazi guard Demjanjuk arrives at German prison
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thundercat
Let me add: I too, hope he receives a fair trail and that those who presume his guilt (of whom there are many, it would seem) do not sway the courts decision.
Posted in: Suspected Nazi guard Demjanjuk arrives at German prison
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thundercat
Fair by following the rules and fair as in just are two completely different things.
Sorry, you are making inferences there. I never said that there should be a statue of limitations for murder (twice now). I was referring to the fact that he was 89 years old and therefore will have trouble defending himself. Please don't put words in my mouth.
Posted in: Suspected Nazi guard Demjanjuk arrives at German prison
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thundercat
Right, so I'm to understand that being wrongly convicted is fair. A trail can never be fair if an innocent person is convicted of a crime. Whether they followed the rules during trail is besides the point.
I would also like you to point out to me exactly when I said that there should be a statute of limitations for murder. I don't want to see a guilty person walk free no matter how long ago a crime was committed. The evidence should be clear and conclusive when it is as old as the evidence is in this trail. From what has been reported it does not seem very clear.
Posted in: Suspected Nazi guard Demjanjuk arrives at German prison
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thundercat
kinniku, You obviously know a lot less about this case than you are letting on and allowing emotion to dictate judgment. There is absolutely nothing fair is losing your citizenship, being deported to a foreign country, sentenced to death and spending five years of solitary confinement on death row for a crime you didn't commit. That is the absolute opposite result we would expect from a fair and just legal system. Further, you seem to insinuate that because Demjanjuk did not sue the Israeli government over his false imprisonment he is hiding his guilt. Keep in mind this was the government that had wrongly deported him in the first place and who were actively petitioning to bring more charges that clearly lacked any concrete evidence. Aside from that, he was whisked back to the US and would have had to pay legal costs out of pocket. Do you even know if a citizen of a foreign country can sue the Israeli government? BTW, breaching an oath is also perjury. Claiming to be sure of something, under oath and then being proven wrong is also perjury. As for statute of limitations for murder... well, I mentioned nothing of the kind. Had detectives had the same technology for collecting, gathering and investigating crimes and evidence sixty years ago that they have now I would have little problem in believing it. I just don't think there is any way that he can defend himself of these charges given the amount of time that has lapsed. Your comparison with the statute limitations with Japan is laughable. 25 years vs. 60 years is a world of difference.
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