voiceofokinawa's past comments

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    voiceofokinawa

    Yubaru,

    You say you "see things with a wider view." I think I know what your wider view is, but could you explain it for precaution's sake?

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    Yubaru (May. 27, 2015 - 07:54AM JST):

    Key word here "nations" not states, not prefectures, Okinawa and Tokyo have a long way to go and it doesn't help Okinawa one bit, in building trust with Tokyo, by having it's governor go over their heads to Washington.

    There's no need for me to respond to your post dated May. 27, 2015 - 07:54AM JST. I was talking about international relations and not about domestic relations such as those between a central government and a locality -- the topic was about how to reduce tensions among nations.

    You say in another post (May. 27, 2015 - 01:35PM JST) that, just as an apple and an orange are different, so are the U.S. and Japan, arguing what applies to the U.S. doesn't apply to Japan. But an apple and an orange are the same in that both are fruit, and so are the U.S. and Japan in that they are both nations with elected heads (governments) and governed peoples. Both nations claim they are democracies.

    Because you live in Okinawa and pay taxes as a naturalized Japanese citizen, it doesn't mean you know Okinawa better than someone living abroad who is compassionately involved in the Okinawa issue.

    Every society has a few black sheep in the flock. Your opinion doesn't represent Okinawa's consensus.

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    Kazuaki Shimazaki May. 26, 2015 - 11:20PM JST:

    As you say, "smiles" only won't solve an international problem, but genuine mutual trust will. So it's important to work for establishing genuine mutual trust between and among nations however remote the goal may seem. You cannot frustrate the budding of such efforts, saying hard power should be all there is to it.

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    Flyfalcon May. 26, 2015 - 11:01AM JST

    Whether they are for independence or not, Okinawa's struggles will be like Mahatma Gandhi's nonviolent civil disobedience. Didn't India recover their dignity through such measures as nonviolent civil disobedience?

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    Wc626 May. 26, 2015 - 09:16AM JST

    The struggles now sweeping across Okinawa are not for independence but for democracy, justice and equality. The Futenma relocation plan that was agreed on between Tokyo and Washington over our heads runs counter to all these principles.

    It's pitiful of both governments that they wouldn't listen to local people's pressing voice unless they resorted to violence and terrorism.

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    Wc626 Wc626May. 26, 2015 - 01:30AM JST

    Yeah. And those same residents got drunk with joy and celebrated the successful 1941 surprise attack @Pearl. Just like every other major city on the mainland. War is hell. Win some lose some-

    That war you talk about was over 70 years ago. The Occupation on mainland Japan ended in 1952 when the San Francisco Peace Treaty took effect while Okinawa was severed from Japan and kept under ongoing U.S. occupation. The occupation of Okinawa was supposed to come to an end when it was reverted to Japan in 1972.

    But you say: "War is hell. Win some lose some," thus justifying this excessive U.S. military presence in Okinawa. So the U.S. forces are stationed here as occupation forces and not as the "defenders of Japan" as stipulated in the Japan-U.S. Security Treaty. I think you are telling the truth and nothing but the whole truth The security treaty is then nothing but a farce, a facade to hide the reality.

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    smithinjapan(May. 25, 2015 - 07:56PM JST):

    The better question is what are Okinawans? people who should never be trusted to live up to their promises? people who want handouts for not doing the required work? People who LITERALLY build their residences around a place that helps them survive and protects them, then spits on where they eat a couple of generations later?

    Tell me what kind of promise Okinawans made to the U.S. which we reneged on. Did Okinawa ever voluntarily give base land to the U.S. military for alms in return?

    Except for Camp Schwab and its affiliated Northern Training Area, most U.S. bases, Futenma in particular, are planted on mostly private land illegally and immorally confiscated in the early days of Occupation while area residents were herded into concentration-like camps. And you disdainfully say people built their residences around the bases that fed them to survive.

    True, people worked on bases to maintain their meager livelihood in post-war days. But don't you know their former villages and towns together with farms, sometimes wholly and sometimes partially, were swallowed up into bases? Where else could they go except live around bases and what else could they do except work for bases to survive?

    It's disgusting to hear offenders preach morality to us victims.

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    umbrella May. 25, 2015 - 04:55PM JST

    The US should just totally pull out of japan and let the japanese spend the money to defend themselves against China et al. That's what the japanese people want anyway. The japanese won't mind all the extra taxes necessary to fund their own defense

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    You say the U.S. should pack up and leave Japan, Okinawa in particular. Nothing would make us happier than that.

    You then continue to say:

    ... let the Japanese spend the money to defend themselves against China et al.

    Don't worry. There's a way for not so much money to be spent on defense. Pursue omni-directional diplomacy. Make friends with neighbors; don't antagonize them. The idea to establish an East Asia Community proposed by former Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama is one such effort to realize that goal. Of course, the U.S. may not like it and try in all its capacity to frustrate such an effort.

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    smithinjapan (May. 25, 2015 - 04:46PM JST):

    In 1996,then Japanese Prime Minister Ryutaro Hashimoto and then U.S. Ambassador to Japan Walter Mondale announced at a joint news conference that they had agreed to return the Futenma air station within 7 to 8 years. We were enthralled to hear the news. But it soon turned out there was a string attached to the agreement. Futenma's replacement must be found within Okinawa. Can one call this return of something in the true sense of the word, especially in the light of the fact that Futenma sits on stolen property?

    In 2006, the two sides agreed over the heads and against the wishes of Okinawa that the relocation site would be Henoko in Nago City. Since then, Washington has been coercing Tokyo to implement the plan as soon as possible, fully knowing their action and Tokyo's in particular will blatantly violate the democratic principles on which the raison d'etre of the U.S.A. as a nation is fundamentally based.

    Governor Nakaima agreed to the relocation plan by reneging on his election promise that he would reject the relocation plan as the result of incessant cajoling and coercing by Tokyo. That itself was a very undemocratic act on the part of Tokyo. Nakaima was ousted from office by the overwhelming majority of voters in the following election.

    So can you say "the replacement has been found, and decided on three times including by the Okinawan governor"?

    What country is the U.S.A.? Is it a democracy or an empire forcing its will on others?

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    smithinjapan May. 25, 2015 - 02:41PM JST

    Anyway, fine -- don't relocate the base. Keep it right where it is, in Futenma. It's one or the other, people. You decide.

    I call such logic as smithinjapan brandishes "a hooligan's logic." You can't demand a replacement for stolen property (Futenma sits on stolen property, you know) by threatening the land holder: "We will keep the land and stay where we are if you can't find its replacement in the vicinity. It's one or the other, stupid. You decide."

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    Kazuaki Shimazaki (May. 25, 2015 - 11:06AM JST):

    Maybe, but the essence of that statement is that Okinawa can either accept its position as an important geopolitical area or deny it.

    If it accepts, it can actually make a reasonably good deal by "selling" itself dearly. If she refuses, she'd find herself very alone and ultimately become a base of "someone" anyway.

    What Kazuaki Shimazaki describes here about Okinawa's strategic location also applies aptly to Tsushima and Sadogashima. Could he tell the same thing to the residents there to the effect that they must give 18 percent of their land to a foreign army for their exclusive use of it as permanent bases? The fact that he can do so suggests he regards Okinawa not as a sovereign territory of Japan but something that can be used as a bargaining chip or a commodity in business dealings.

    I suspect the central government seethes with people like him who don't care about the welfare of their own nationals. Well, maybe, Okinawans are not Japanese nationals after all for these people.

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    The number may be a drop in the bucket, but even so it is a significant first step. I'm quite sure the protest will spread like wildfire from Okinawa to all across Japan, eventually boiling down to the whole nation questioning the real meaning of the Japan-U.S. alliance.

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    bass4funk May. 24, 2015 - 03:29PM JST:

    I would rather error on the side of caution that is the only thing that keeps us all safe. Japan was an ally and we never thought at the time we would ever go to war with them and look what happened, so you have to excuse me, but I won't rule anything out especially when it involves NK or China.

    You can't trust any country, even a current ally, and so it's necessary to take precaution against a possibility that it might turn into a hostile one? Therefore, it is necessary to relocate Futenma's function within Okinawa? So the Marines are here as deterrence against an ultimate antagonist that is Japan?

    North Korea's young leader may be unpredictable all right, but he must know more than enough that his country's nuclear arsenal is no match to America's. The reason why North Korea is developing nuclear weapons is apparently not out of their intention to attack the U.S. or Japan but out of fear that they might be attacked by the U.S. with such weapons.

    All in all, how does one Marine base in Okinawa fit in this picture? Could it be deterrence against North Korea's or China's missile attacks? Could you explain?"

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    bass4funk (May. 24, 2015 - 10:12AM JST)

    But governments cry wolf too often.

    Take the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, for example, that was concocted by the Johnson administration as a justification for expanding the Vietnam War. In recent years, the Bush administration propagated a rumor that Saddam Hussein's Iraq had stored piles of weapons of mass destruction and that in cahoots with international terrorists attacks against the U.S. were imminent.

    You must know that governments befuddle not only its own people but also the world community in order to pursue their political agenda. Imperial Japan during World War II was the model and champion of such propaganda and befuddlement, telling big lies to the nation to the last minute of the war.

    There's a strong possibility that a "China/NK threat" can be such cry wolf. And there's an ample reason for that.

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    Yubaru (May. 23, 2015 - 07:39AM JST ),

    Camp Schwab was opened in 1956 and the affiliated Northern Training Area was opened in 1957. The Marines there were originally stationed in Yamanashi and Gifu Prefectures but had to close their bases and move to Okinawa because of vehement anti-U.S. base movements on the mainland. Tokyo assisted the Marines to move to Okinawa and so, as Yubaru says, the land is "leased to the U.S. Marines" at least legally on the surface.

    Note, however, that Okinawa is not demanding the return of Camp Schwab. We are demanding Futenma's return with no strings attached! Futenma is STOLEN PROPERTY, you know.

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    Fadamore (May. 23, 2015 - 04:02AM JST),

    You have no authority to demand ANYTHING of a foreign government. What you are wanting to do would be the same as if the Governor of Kentucky went to Tokyo and demanded ANYTHING from Japan's government.

    Alas! You are only brandishing a hooligan's logic here. Why? Suppose Tokyo had stolen a large chunk of property in Kentucky and the Governor of Kentucky asked it be returned. Suppose also that Tokyo answered they would return the said property only if its replacement, with enlarged brand-new facilities attached, was provided in the vicinity?

    What else can you call this except "a hooligan's logic"?

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    sfjp330,

    The U.S.'s defense expenditure is 4 percent of its GDP while Japan's is "a meager 1 percent" so that it's alright for Japan to profligate money for the U.S. military?

    Have you forgotten the fact that Japan is still under military occupation by the U.S., that maintains 88 bases across the breadth and length of it, making one area its formidable military colony? Before saying Japan should increase its military spending to help them, the U.S. must address the status quo of Japan, Okinawa in particular, as its military colony in the first place.

    To our chagrin, the U.S. has no intention for it at all. The recalcitrant attitude of Washington towards the Futenma issue clearly shows that.

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    Yubaru, again.

    Can you tolerate such stupidity in which your tax money will be squandered for a foreign army? Just think about what the U.S. taxpayers would say if they were obliged to do the same.

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    Yubaru,

    Futenma doesn't have such function and facilities as mentioned and so it is the construction of a new base in the name of the relocation of an old, dilapidated base.

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    Yubaru (May. 21, 2015 - 09:06PM JST)

    It is an extension of an existing base, not a "new" base.

    Camp Schwab currently accommodates Combat Assault Battalion, Ammo Company, 3rd Reconnaissance Battalion and 4th Marine Regiment. If Futenma's function were to be moved here, it'd be a completely new base with two V-shaped runways added, where 100 Ospreys are said to be deployed, as well as 274-meter pier attached, where the USS Bonhomme Richard assault ship can easily berth. It will also be equipped with a tilted access for hovercraft to go to and come from maneuvering in the sea.

    So can one call this simply an extension of an old base, as Yubaru says?

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