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    View from Okinawa:

    Abe seems to be instructing Amari to be tough on TPP negotiations with the U.S. But Tokyo's recalcitrant attitude toward the TPP issue will certainly be countermanded by its conciliatory mesaures given to the Futenma issue. In other words, in order to please Washington, Tokyo would be hell-bent on building a new base at Henoko, Nago, for the U.S. Marines as Washington desires.

    So we must be on our guard constantly not only for TPP but also for Futenma.

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    Serrano:

    Historically, Okinawa was incorporated into the Chinse tributary system just like other East Asian countries. But the Chinese court treated Okinawa, the Ryukyu Kingdom, most respectfully and humanely among all tributary countries. Trade was almost unilateral, overwhelmingly in favor of Okinawa

    The Satsuma Clan of Kyushu, Japan, invaded Ryukyu in 1609 and made Ryukyu its tributary, but it didn't occupy Ryukyu. In 1871, Imperial Japan forcefully incorporated Ryukyu into Japan, renaming it as Okinawa Prefecture. The King was raised to the peerage.

    Okinawa was an economically and politically neglected area from 1871 up until 1945, the poorest prefecture of all prefectures. The Meiji government poured its money and resources to Taiwan and Korea so that they could be shown to the world as a proof that Japan could operate and administer colonies just like Western powers.

    In June 1945, the U.S. forces invaded and occupied Okinawa, professing themselves as liberators of Okinawa from Japanese imperialism. But it soon turned out that they were not liberators at all but literal oppressors. Private lands were encroached upon with impunity and turned into huge bases. Political oppression was beyond description. Human rights were tramped on unsparingly if anyone were opposed to the occupation policy.

    It was under such conditions that people began to yarn for Japan, now reborn a democracy with the ideal peace constitution. Okinawans naively thought that if Okinawa was returned to Japan, they could also enjoy peace and human dignity guaranteed by new Japan's peace constitution. U.S. bases would be eliminated or at lease reduced significantly.

    But what did we find? Japan was a U.S. vassal after all and does as its master dictates. Okinawa remains a U.S. military colony with sycophantic Tokyo's full support.

    Serrano, you say, "Okinawa suffered a lot more during the Japanese occupation up till 1945." LOL. You still believe so?

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    bass4funk (Mar. 16, 2014 - 04:22PM JST):

    Is there any possibility for a potential enemy to launch an attack on Japanese cities before they attack U.S. bases in Japan? A full scale attack on Japan thus means a full scale attack on U.S. bases in Japan, such as Kadena, Yokota and Misawa Air Bases.

    This will boil down to: What is the meaning of us Okinawans hosting the bulk of U.S. bases in Japan? As one poster on another thread correctly pointed out, Okinawa has suffered all these 69 years way too much for too little or for nothing.

    A self-righteous realist like you says this state of affairs must go on indefinitely just as it has been that way for the past 69 years.

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    What my posting above boils down to is this: What is the meaning of us Okinawans hosting the bulk of excessive U.S. bases? As Alex80 (Mar. 12, 2014 - 08:25AM JST) correctly pointed out, Okinawa has suffered all these 69 years way too much for too little or for nothing.

    To sum up, the Futenma-to-Henoko relocation plan must be prevented by all means all the more.

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    Is there any such possibility as "a full scale attack on Japan" as this article says? In other words, is there any possibility for a potential enemy launching an attack on a Japanese city without first attacking U.S. bases in Japan -- such as represented by Kadena, Yokota or Misawa Air Bases? "A full scale attack on Japan" then means a full scale attack on U.S. bases in Japan. Only in such cases will the Japan-U.S. Security Treaty be activated fully, they say?

    They are talking about gray zone cases involving the Senkaku Islands. Call this the second category.

    But there is the third category which these negotiators seem to be oblivious of. And that's a war fought in a foreign country far from Japan using bases in Japan as important staging posts. Would it be possible for the U.S. military to deploy and train troops in Japan for such purposes?

    It seems that these negotiators are negotiating nonsense at the best.

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    bass4funk:(Mar. 09, 2014 - 07:11PM JST )

    Actually, I am in appreciation to you for your insistence to keep this thread to go on and on. It gives me rare chances to keep appealing to the world for Okinawa's harsh plight as a U.S. military colony.

    For starters, you said that if we didn't like U.S. bases we should leave Okinawa. LOL. Mind you, yours is exactly the mindset an imperialist-minded person holds. The law of the jungle is his code of conduct.

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    bass4funk (Mar. 05, 2014 - 07:17AM JST):

    You're calling the US an Empire? So what was Japan once called? And what did it do with that empire. Okinawa is a part of Japan because it willingly asked to be part of it?

    Japan called itself "Empire of Greater Japan" until that empire was crushed into non-existence in 1945. If imperialism or expansionism is what characterizes an empire, Japan was certainly an empire whether it called itself by that name or not. In that sense, the U.S. is also categorized as an empire because its history has been a history of territorial expansion.

    Imperialism today doesn't take the form of overt occupation and colonization of foreign land as was the case in 19th and 29th centuries. Instead, today's empire dominates and controls foreign countries by planting and maintaining military bases there through facades of agreements. Today, the U.S. keeps more than 700 bases all over the world, the scale and scope unknown to world history. Compared with today's U.S., empires such as Roman Empire, Mongolian Empire or Ottoman Empire pales.

    It is certainly because of this that scholars like Andrew J. Bacevich and Chalmers Johnson called the U.S. "American Empire". By the way, do you know why New York is also known by the alias "Empire State"?

    Given the current tragic events that are NOW taking place in the Ukraine, reinforces my point and gives even more reason as to why troops should remain in Okinawa at all cost. That is why moving it, would be a suicide move, it would embolden China who's watching these events unfold and we can't let that happen! Simple as that.

    The Futenma-to-Henoko relocation plan is part of the overall U.S. military's realignment in this region. It has nothing to do with the Ukraine issue nor with the territorial row between Japan and China. Isn't the U.S. stance that it does not take a position on the territorial dispute, thus urging both Japan and China to resolve the problem through negotiations?

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    bass4funk (Mar. 03, 2014 - 07:08PM JST):

    No, I did not. I said, that militarily and strategically it would be of course better for US forces to be in Okinawa. You just wanted to embellish that point. This is exactly how words and quotes get out of context.

    Only the privileged people of a colonial power or an empire can say that, disregarding the suffering of people it dominates and colonizes. Have you forgotten about the early history of the U.S.A.?

    What people think and the actual wording and what is written in stone are two completely different scenarios. I canst worry about opinions from other people, I only care about what was written and what is important for the entire country and to have the troops withdraw from Okinawa is a huge mistake.

    Do you mean to say what they think and what they write down are completely two different things? If so, these people must be all schizophrenic. But are they? And is this the reason why you think their thinking about the Futenma relocation issue is ludicrous?

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    bass4funk (Mar. 03, 2014 - 09:48AM JST):

    You say:

    Okinawa is seen nothing more than a vital staging ground for a military assault were we to engage China in the likely hood there would be conflict. Nothing more

    You've perfectly proved my allegation that Okinawa is a U.S. military colony by saying that Okinawa would be a vital staging ground for a possible military assault against China if a conflict were to occur. In the past, Okinawa was a "vital staging ground" for attacks anywhere on Korean Peninsula and in Vietnam, and in recent years a "vital" staging post for troop deployment abroad such as in Iraq and Afghanistan. Such military action clearly violates what is stipulated in the Japan-U.S. Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security. The fact that the U.S. can use Okinawa bases for whatever purposes it considers useful for its global military strategy betrays that Okinawa is none other than a U.S. military colony.

    There are many prominent opinion leaders the world over who share this view with me. They say the projected plan to relocate Futenma to Henoko would be carried out only "to deepen and extend the military COLONIZATION of Okinawa at the expense of the people and the environment." Please read the "International Petition for Okinawa" signed by those luminaries (http://chn.ge/1ecQPUJ), that will be sent to U.S. President Barack Obama very soon.

    Those are some of the perks and privileges you get when you are in the military, they also carry guns whereas regular civilians can't come on now, of course, it's NOT the same. I always see cops breaking the speed limit, but woe on you, if you do it.

    I know police officers have such special perks as you mention but, mind you, these perks are given to them only when they are on duty. Can they break the speed limit while they are off duty? Are these perks given to their dependents, too?

    It really doesn't matter if some people in the US or Japan think that Okinawa is a territory of the US it is not and thinking so is ludicrous.

    Explain why the opinion of those luminaries who think that Okinawa is a U.S. military colony is ludicrous.

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    bass4funk Feb. 26, 2014 - 10:52AM JST

    You ask me:

    Show me proof where it says that Okinawa is a legitimate or documented colony of the US, if you don't, then you are speculating your own personal POV

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    Any casual observer of Okinawa can tell Okinawa is none other than a U.S. military colony. There is no doubt that the mindset of the U.S. military personnel stationed in Okinawa, or Washington policy makers' in that regard, is that Okinawa as a whole is a U.S. fortress where Okinawans live in land unused by the military. In their perception, Okinawa is indeed nothing but their military colony.

    They and their dependents enter/exit Okinawa (or Japan) freely without showing passports or I.D.s to the Japanese authorities as I pointed out in my posting dated Feb. 21, 2014 - 06:51PM JST. They are also guaranteed extraterritorial rights that are beyond Japanese law and live in highly comfortable and exclusive community environments as if bases were U.S. towns with every accommodation furnished, as one poster here described (Cf. atrueokinawan Feb. 17, 2014 - 12:43PM JST).

    And I'm not the only one who thinks Okinawa is a U.S. military colony. Read articles dealing with the Okinawa issue in Asia-Pacific Journal: Japan Focus. Doug Bandow, formerly the Reagan administration's political adviser and now a senior researcher with the Cato Institute, is more blunt and direct. Read his "Okinawa: Liberating Washington’s East Asian Military Colony" (Cato Institute: Policy Analysis No. 314)

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    bass4funk,

    You say:

    "Personally, I am for the bases remaining in Okinawa, but NOT for the reasons you think, more for greater protection as a strategic point of ANY attack be it either from China or N. Korea and I do sincerely want a solution to this serious and highly sensitive issue and think both sides, leaders from Okinawa, Washington and Tokyo come together to resolve this conflict, but I personally don't believe getting rid of the bases is the way to go, but that's how I personally feel about it. But the main thing is that people ARE talking about this whether they are for or against, the topic is out there."

    U.S. bases have been in Okinawa for the past 69 years. Since the original purpose of having these bases was for the attacks and invasion of mainland Japan, they should have been returned when the hostilities ended and their raison d'etre dissipated on August 15, 1945. But they have remained. That means, Okinawa has remained as a U.S. military colony ever since, which may continue into infinity unless something is done to check it.

    If you say you are for the bases, it means you think the status quo, the resultt of U.S. egoism, must be maintained indefinitely -- that is, Okinawa must a U.S. military colony forever. The Henoko relocation plan betrays this long-term scheme and intention of the U.S. The relocation plan has nothing to do with "the China threat" or "the North Korea threat" as Washington and a sycophantic Tokyo are busy to ballyhoo.

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    bass4funk,

    We know this is a long uphill struggle. Obtaining understanding of the world , especially, the U.S. citizens, is an important first step to fight and win this struggle.

    You are free to think it's a futile effort, but you can't keep telling us, "You can't fight a juggernaut. So pack up and leave Okinawa if you don't like the situation."

    I'm beginning to suspect why you keep saying so constantly as if to attempt to crush our cause. You are not an ordinary U.S. citizen, are you?

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    bass4funk Feb. 24, 2014 - 09:25AM JST

    I did, after 25 years, I decided to leave.

    It's become clear that the illegal immigrants issue is your internal problem. No foreign country is involved in it. So don't equate this with the U.S. base issue in Okinawa.

    They did a few years ago, more than 14 years ago. As a matter of fact, our news station was one out of 4 that covered the story. You might have some tidbits of fraction that are maybe if you want to call light accomplices, but overall, No. To your third point, Yes, in Mexico without a doubt.

    If the Mexican government is deeply involved in this matter, instigating its nationals to migrate to the other side of the border with whatever means available, then the "pamphlet" episode must not be taken short shrift of. It's a serious challenge against U.S. sovereignty if they were really involved.

    You say since there was no solution in sight, you left California. Whether you should leave California or not, it's completely up to you to decide. It's a personal matter per se.

    I DID leave the US and going back and forth for business and family doesn't mean I live there, even if I go there a couple of times a year.

    You say business and family are the reasons why you have two residences in both the U.S. and Japan. Since your family accompanied you when you moved from California to a Red state, they must also hate the situation in the U.S.. In other words, they would be glad to forsake U.S. citizenship and come to Japan with you. So your business and family reasons are no reasons at all to explain why you have two residences both in the U.S. and Japan.

    ... in all honesty, you really think that the Island of Okinawa will kick out US forces? I would say the probability of that would stand at you guys have a 2% chance of that happening and that is by conservative judgments.

    So now you are on the side of illegal immigrants, flouting, "Do you guys think you can kick us out? The chance of that happening is 2% or less. It's a nonstarter, a futile attempt. You can't fight city hall. Never."

    Whatever, we will keep appealing. The world is beginning to symphathize with our cause. And, thankfully, many Americans, too.

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    bass4funk ( Feb. 23, 2014 - 10:30PM JST):

    Because I knew the effort would be futile.

    Instead of suggesting we do the same, that is, leave Okinawa if we don't like U.S. bases, you should take that suggestion to your own compatriots engaged in campaigns trying to oust illegal immigrants. Have you done that?

    I asked, "Will the Mexican government acknowledge your allegation that it encourages its nationals to cross the border illegally?" you answered, "Sure thing" and referred me to one source.

    I read your source, "Mexican actually produces ..." A surprising content, indeed! But then I thought, is this a real McCoy? The reasons: (1) Why don't major U.S. media report this sensational fact? Are they accomplice, too? (2) One cannot deny the possibility that the pamphlet was prepared by an underground syndicate of profiteers.

    I have a residence in the US and also in Japan.

    You say you left California because no solution is in sight regarding the illegal immigrants issue. But you also suggested it was a national issue, not simply a local one that is confined to California. If so, you should have left not only California but also the U.S. entirely Why do you still have a residence in the U.S.?

    A fringe group that acts for money and their own benefit, really? So then why is it that whenever you see these protesters in Okinawa, they aren't in the hundreds of thousands instead of a few hundred or less, if that were true what you say?

    Mass protests with "the hundreds of thousands" of participants are held frequently. In ordinary days, you may see not very many people protesting at Henoko, the projected relocation site of Futenma, or at Takae, where 6 Osprey pads are being constructed surrounding the village. Their number may be small but they have a full moral support of the majority of Okinawans. We really thank them for their self-sacrificing efforts.

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    bass4funk (Feb. 23, 2014 - 03:44PM JST):

    If I can't get the result I want, I would.

    How could you get the result in your favor if your stance is Don't fight city hall?

    They do encourage it, that is a part of the bigger issue.

    The Mexican government encourages its people to cross the border illegally, sometimes by digging tunnels? Unbelievable. Can you show me the evidence? Will the Mexican government acknowledge your allegation?

    Both political parties in the US have been derelict in their duties when it comes to shutting down the border. Again, after over 25 years of No results, I decided, it's time to pack up and leave.

    The illegal immigrants issue is not a local problem confined to California but, as I understand from your posting, a national problem. If so, why did you leave California and not the United States?

    But NOT ALL.

    The majority is not all, of course. There's always a fringe group in any society who act for money and for their own benefits. Okinawa is no exception. I'm not speaking for such people.

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    bass4funk Feb. 23, 2014 - 04:43AM JST

    I didn't say, do nothing. I said, it doesn't matter what you do, you're not going to influence or change the status quo. YOU feel that there is NO common sense and once again, you trying to make the equivalency between the US military and a mobster shows me, that you don't know the first thing about the mafia.

    So your stance is it's no use fighting city hall, so move. Right? Illegal immigrants are your own internal political issue. Or is the Mexican government deeply involved in it, encouraging people to cross the border illegally? If that's the case, do you still say you can't fight city hall?

    A mobster or not, if you brandish the logic of mobsters, you are like a mobster.

    Prove it. So now you speak for ALL Okinawans?

    I'm speaking for the majority of Okinawans.

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    bass4funk (Feb. 22, 2014 - 02:19PM JST):

    "Talking goes both ways. My exact sentiments." Please don't forget that these are your own words, not mine, which I quoted.

    *If you don't like the current situation, you can always move. That's my point. *

    So your point is: "Say nothing, do nothing even if a foreign military inflicts injustice upon you and your area." Then you demand: "Accept the reality with no complaints." Only mobsters can say intimidating words such as these. There's no rationality or common-sense logic here.

    *I have no idea, but the people that complain and are not happy are not a collective, every person can go wherever they feel like or they can stay and deal with the situation. *

    Look, Okinawans all have complaints about this excessive U.S. military presence one way or the other. In this sense, their complaints are collective not individual as you say. Therefore, your suggestion that any person who has complaints about this aberrant reality move out from Okinawa applies to them all as a mass.

    To my my question, "Don't you see an absurdity in what you are saying?", you answer:

    *No, as I said, I'm a realist and make no illusions about what's going on. I'm just not griping about something I know will not change in the foreseeable future. So either deal with it or move. Washington and Tokyo are not going to give in on this issue. So I would just move on. *

    You don't see any absurdity in what you are saying? That's because you see no difference in nature between the illegal immigrants issue in California and the Futenma-to-Henoko relocation issue, which is an international issue the U.S. is proactively involved and coercing foreign nationals into accepting.

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    bass4funk (Feb. 21, 2014 - 07:54PM JST):

    You say: "No, those are your words and how you perceive the situation. As far as the complaining part, if you can show some concrete results that your voices are heard and they will make all the military forces leave, then you got my attention."

    Surely, these are my words, but I paraphrased what you had said.

    Talking goes both ways. My exact sentiments.  

    I agree. But you don't deny my allegation that "Washington must be full of egoistic, unreasonable-minded people like you."

    If you don't like the current situation, you can always move. That's my point.

    You said in your previous posting (Feb. 20, 2014 - 10:31PM JST) you didn't like California and so you moved to a Red State because you knew you couldn't change it. You then suggest us to do the same. If we don't like U.S. bases, move. That means Okinawans must move in a mass exodus to a new world. Can you recommend a nice place for us to emigrate to?

    Bass4funk, don't you see an absurdity in what you are saying?

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    Serrano (Feb. 21, 2014 - 07:13AM JST):

    The Chiba farmers pleaded against Narita Airport, but it got built anyway.

    You can't say such a thing unless you think Japan is a U.S. vassal and Okinawa a U.S. colony. You are mixing up Japan's domestic problem with an international one. But, for you, there may be no difference between the two problems because you are inclined to think there's no national border between the U.S. and Japan (Okinawa) as far as the U.S. military is concerned.

    Article 9 of the Japan-U.S. Status of Forces Agreement stipulates that U.S. service members do not have to carry passports when they enter/exit Japan. They are required to carry I.D.s but they don't have to show them to Japanese authorities. The difference between them and their dependents is that the latter must show their I.D.s only when requested by the Japanese authorities while they are in Japan. I think, though, that such occasions are rare unless a criminal case is involved.

    Serrano, or anyone who knows about it, are there any Japanese immigration officers stationed at Kadena Air Base's terminal building? Yokota Air Base's in Metropolitan Tokyo and USMCAS Futenma's?

    The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, Inamine san.

    Of course the U.S. has a larger population than Japan (Okinawa). So your sentence can be re-written as: "The needs of the U.S. outweighs the needs of Japan (Okinawa)."

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    bass4funk (Feb. 20, 2014 - 10:31PM JST) :

    You post:

    You griping about the US military, how is that helping your plight. You think they will relocate, but you have a deep seated bent up frustration towards the military. So how is all this anger helping you so far?

    To say it more concretely, you are simply saying, "Our great military will never end the occupation of Okinawa. There's no reason. We simply like it that way. So there's no use complaining about it on your part."

    Washington must be full of egoistic, unreasonable-minded people like you. Talking to you is like beating the air.

    I asked: "Do you mean, in your hometown in Southern California, an unwelcome foreign army takes private lands from the town's people and farmers with impunity, bulldozing houses and farms to expand their base, i.e., to develop golf courses and spacious housing areas?"

    To this you answer: *We already did, the Democrats and the illegals from Mexico. Sure I get frustrated and angry, but I left, moved from there and live in a now Red State. I knew I wouldn't be able to change California, so I made THE change. *

    Will you clarify this? You're saying you don't like the Democrats and illegal immigrants from Mexico. You got frustrated and angry with them and so you left California. You now live in a state where the majority are Republicans.

    Good for you. But what's that to do with the injustice inflicted upon post-war Okinawa by this exorbitant U.S. military presence?

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