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    voiceofokinawa

    Yubaru, again:

    I reread your previous post dated Dec. 13, 2014 - 11:21AM JST and nowhere did I find an answer to my question why Futenma's function must be relocated within Okinawa.

    You mention that, unless Futenma were to move to Henoko, Onaga would run "the risk of having Okinawa's economy being run into the ground ... ." Wow, is that your answer? First time to have heard that as the reason why Futenma should be relocated to Henoko. Anyway, there's no military reason for Futenma to have to be relocated within Okinawa.

    LOL.

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    voiceofokinawa

    Yubaru,

    I reread your previous post dated Dec. 13, 2014 - 11:21AM JST and nowhere did I find an answer to my question why Futenma's function must be relocated within Okinawa.

    You mention that, if Futenma was to move to Henoko, Onaga would run "the risk of having Okinawa's economy being run into the ground ... ." Wow, is that your answer? First time to have heard that as the reason why Futenma should be relocated to Henoko. Anyway, there's no military reason, you want to say. LOL.

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    voiceofokinawa

    Yubaru,

    I can't skim your many posts on numerous threads all over again. So please write the gist of what you have written or think as regards why Futenma's function must be relocated within Okinawa.

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    voiceofokinawa

    Yubaru,

    Never yield one square inch of spoils of land you seized in the war -- whatsoever. That's what you insist. Get over that victor's complex mentality and hubris. When did the war end?

    Explain why the closing of one base hampers the overall U.S. military presence in the region.

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    voiceofokinawa

    Fadamor, et al.:

    There's no Okinawan, conservative or progressive, who doesn't think however vaguely that U.S. bases must go someday somehow. They cannot be planted here forever.

    But the recent gubernatorial election's point at issue was not about this. It was about whether USMC Futenma Air Station, one among 33 U.S. bases, should be closed unconditionally or with the condition that its replacement should be built at Henoko in northern Okinawa.

    So, please posters, stick your argument only to this topic.

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    voiceofokinawa

    Yubaru (Dec. 11, 2014 - 11:46AM JST; Dec. 12, 2014 - 01:45PM JST)

    You say Onaga doesn't represent the majority of Okinawan people but only represents 360,820 people "out of a population of 1.4 million." With this figures you seem to want to say Onaga represents a mere 24 percent of the whole population.

    Note, however, the voter turnout was 650,362, with the voting rate of about 61 percent. Onaga won 360,820 out of 650,362 or 55 percent as against Nakaima's 261,076 or 40 percent. Which percentage is more impressive, Onaga's 55 percent or Nakaima's 40 percent? I call this margin an overwhelming victory for Onaga.

    My reference to the American Revolutionary War must be considered in this context. It's not totally unrelated.

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    voiceofokinawa

    Yubaru,

    Historians estimate that only 40 to 45 percent of colonists in the 13 colonies supported the American revolutionary war. The Patriots' cause was thus not fully supported by all American colonists. The majority were neutrals. And yet the Patriots' cause was right and righteous, I think.

    Do you think 360,820 votes Onaga won out of 650,362 votes as against Nakaima's 261,076 were a minuscule win for Onaga? And that despite the central government's frantic support of Nakaima?

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    voiceofokinawa

    scipantheist:

    Japan has adopted the well-known national policy of the Three Non-Nuclear Principles that rules out the production, possession, or introduction of nuclear weapons. Japan also ratified the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. Japan thus spearheads other nations in fighting for the abolition of nuclear weapons.

    So it's very illogical and contradictory for Japan to seek protection by the U.S. under its nuclear umbrella. That should be stopped. The "tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye" tactics doesn't solve international problems or conflicts. The arms buildup cannot be deterrence. The most effective deterrence, then, is building genuine mutual trust and friendship .

    Therefore, one can say with certainly that the above article reports a good first step toward that end.

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    sfjp330:

    I'm not so enthusiastic about Okinawa's independence as you try to put what I don't think into my head. But I will think about it when all democratic measures are exhausted to appeal our case. Right now, I'm rather interested in Japan itself's genuine independence.

    As I see it Japan is no other than a pitiful U.S. vassal dominated by tail-wagging Yank-philiac politicians (former PM Junichiro Koizumi was a typical example), because of which Okinawa suffers like hell. Until Japan recovers a full sovereignty Okinawa's independence may be a mere pipe dream.

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    voiceofokinawa

    sfjp330:

    Right now, a pro-independence force is indeed "a drop in the bucket" as you say. But, who knows, it might gather momentum if Tokyo keeps bullying Okinawa, say, by pressing ahead with the Futenma relocation plan and at the same time stifling the financial situation of the newly-elect Onaga administration.

    Tokyo's justification of the relocation of Futenma to Henoko is that the hazardous Futenma Air Station must be closed and relocated to a less populated area at Henoko. But if that argument holds, then Kadena Air Base, the most accident-prone and the most hazardous base, must be closed and relocated somewhere else first and foremost.

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    voiceofokinawa

    Historically, Okinawa has experienced outside influence one way or the other that the people sarcastically call "from To (Tang = Chinese) days to Yamatu (Japanese) days to American days."

    Of these three, who were the worst outsiders? Americans. They came in hordes as invaders, occupied the islands, turning the largest island into a formidable citadel. They administered the islands with iron hand and with disdain like a despicable colony.

    Today, America's iron-fisted administration of Okinawa is the thing of the past thanks to Okinawa's decades-long struggle against it. Japan recovered Okinawa's administrative right in 1972.

    But Okinawa's status as a U.S. military colony remains intact even today. This state of affairs must come to an end someday somehow. It cannot go on forever. It's a tragic irony that Tokyo gives a helping hand to Washington to preserve and even perpetuate the status quo.

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    voiceofokinawa

    scipantheist:

    Your response to my post is off the track.

    The point of my argument is: If there were genuine peace and stability in the region, the Obama administration's "pivot" to Asia would naturally lose its momentum and Okinawa would be exonerated from this miserable plight.

    Are you afraid that such a day might come?

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    voiceofokinawa

    What does modernizing and strengthening alliances, Obama's foreign policy of "pivot" to Asia, mean to Okinawa? Certainly, it means more physical suffering and burden on our part because U.S. bases will be strengthened and perpetuated against our will. There's something absolutely wrong here.

    Every nation that benefits form alliances with the U.S. must take this fact into consideration. They cannot be free riders totally disregarding Okinawa's exorbitant sacrifice.

    It is to the good for everyone that China "is promoting an alternative vision that stresses security cooperation among Asian nations themselves." But, of course, China must work hard to dispel deep-seated suspicion and apprehension its neighboring countries harbor towards it. "Let the person who brought it up do it first," says an old Chinese wisdom.

    It's also good to hear Evan Medeiros say "the U.S. wants its allies to have cooperative relations with China, including its military."

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    voiceofokinawa

    stormcrow,

    I've been suggesting you limit your discussion only to the Futenma issue. Relocating the Futenma Air Station outside Okinawa doesn't mean power vacuum. Explain why you think that means a power vacuum. You haven't answered yet the question I posed above, either, only frantically saying a power vacuum invites invasion by China.

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    voiceofokinawa

    stormcrow,

    You are not responding to my argument logically. And you should stick your discussion to the Futenma issue only. Futenma is a Marine base, so the Futenma issue is a Marine issue by nature. That's why I touched on the Marines in passing.

    As part of the ongoing realignment, the Pentagon is planning to move about 8,000 marines from Okinawa to Guam and Hawaii. Why? Because China has developed new-type ballistic missiles whose striking range easily covers Okinawa. It's also reported that China's missiles are targeted at major U.S. bases in Japan.

    Should a war occur, how could the expeditionary Marines deal with it? That's my question.

    Posted in: Okinawa vote a blow to Japan-U.S. ties, say analysts

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    voiceofokinawa

    stormcrow:

    Do you mean to say the words "occupation" and "partnership" are no different from each other?

    Occupation is defined in a dictionary as: "a. Invasion, conquest, and control of a nation or territory by foreign armed forces. b. The military government exercising control over an occupied nation or territory." Partnership is defined as: "A relationship between individuals or groups that is characterized by mutual cooperation and responsibility." So the two words and the situations they refer to are way different, nay, there's a sea difference between them.

    The U.S. military presence in Okinawa is nothing but occupation. Eliminate or at least reduce this colossal military footprint even a little. Close Futenma and don't demand its replacement at Henoko.

    The Marines are stationed here only for training. As their name "expeditionary force" indicates, after training here they are sent on or designed for military operations abroad as they were engaged so in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Do you think they can execute similar operations against modern-day China? It's almost certain that their raison d'etre in Okinawa is over. If they need constant training of combat skills, they can do so in the U.S. mainland, thus without inflicting enormous burden on the people of Okinawa.

    Posted in: Okinawa vote a blow to Japan-U.S. ties, say analysts

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    voiceofokinawa

    stormcrow:

    My contention is always: Futenma and nothing but Futenma should be closed immediately and its facility should be relocated outside Okinawa, preferably to the U.S. mainland."

    A Prime Minister suggested to the same effect. No, he only said, "Futenma should be relocated at least outside Okinawa." Did Washington listen to this as "a welcome guest"? Didn't its exorbitant reaction reflect that Japan was still under U.S. occupation, the fact on which you said you completely agreed with me?

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    voiceofokinawa

    bass4funk:

    You say: "If you think the bases are going to leave or shut down, I highly doubt it. Tokyo and Washington will never go for it."

    Stick your discussion to one particular base, not "the bases." My contention is: Futenma should be closed immediately and its facility should be relocated outside Okinawa, preferably to the U.S. mainland.

    The kid story is only figurative, not literal. And you know who is like an unmanageable kid. It's Washington , of course.

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    voiceofokinawa

    stormcrow,

    Have you forgotten why I brought up the Hatoyama topic? You earlier said that if asked, the U.S. would return bases without a delay as if it was an easy thing to do. And you exemplified the two returned U.S. bases in the Philippines.

    Htoyama didn't demand the return of Futenma in strong words (Mind you, it was about Futenma only and not all bases as you say; be precise). He actually said "Futenma must be relocated at least outside Okinawa." And what was Washington's reaction? You know the rest of the story.

    Your response to this: "Maybe he hinted too softly and should have hinted a little louder. I can't recall hearing any Japanese PM saying loudly enough for the whole world to hear that the Japanese wanted the U.S. military to get the heck out of Japan."

    No Japanese PM ever asked "the U.S. military to get the heck out of Japan." Don't put what I didn't say into my mouth!

    I have some business to do now. I'll be back.

    Posted in: Okinawa vote a blow to Japan-U.S. ties, say analysts

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    voiceofokinawa

    bass4funk:

    Of course, you are a messenger. But if you are a realist, as you profess, and know that the child is really unmanageable, spank him. That's your duty unless you are part of the same gang.

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