Wednesday February 15, 2012

weedkila's past comments

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    weedkila

    To those talking about rising sea levels why is that low-level islands like the Maldives promote the global warming threat with stunts such as underwater cabinet meetings …

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/17/maldives-meeting-underwat_n_324772.html

    … While at the same time building a state-of-the-art airport which is right on sea level and which is worth several hundred million dollars?

    http://doreview.blogspot.com/2010/04/indian-firms-eye-male-international.html

    Even the world's top scientist on sea level change, Nils-Axel Morner, says there is no problem with sea level rising but is ignored when he tries to inform governments or other concerned authorities. He says the talk about "sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story."

    Posted in: Climate change: Which nations, cities most at risk?

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    weedkila

    Current warming trends are on track to boost average global temperatures by 3.0 degrees Celsius (5.4 degrees Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial levels, according to some predictions.

    More alarmist nonsense using failed computer models as the source of these "predictions."

    = A senior researcher at the CRU said in 2000 that snow would become a thing of the past for Britain. Wrong!

    = 50 million climate refugees by 2010 because of rising seas. Wrong!

    = In 1988 James Hansen of NASA said if nothing was done to stop global warming, global temps would rise between 2-4 degrees C by 2010. Wrong!

    Yet another prediction to be piled on the ever growing heap of failed prognostications from the global warming alarmists.

    "In searching for the new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. In their totality and in their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which demands the solidarity of all peoples. But in designating them as the enemy, we fall into the trap about which we have already warned, namely mistaking symptoms for cause. All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changing attitudes and behaviors that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself." -- Report written in 1991 by Alexander King and Bertrand Schneider, for the Club of Rome (Global think tank of which Al Gore is a member), titled: "The First Global Revolution."

    Posted in: Climate change: Which nations, cities most at risk?

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    weedkila

    Complaining constantly about the "MSM" while using them as you like to support your theories is rather like a guy complaining about toupees while theirs one their very own head flapping about in the wind. As I said, nobody's buying it.

    Is that the best you can do? Of course I'm going to use the MSM, isn't that where most of the public get their info and why so many are uninformed and deluded? The MSM have been caught lying or manipulating information time and again to promote an agenda. How do I know this? The reason they have been exposed is because others have quoted their stories against the actual situation and it becomes clear what's going on.

    An example: I mentioned in my first post that al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, was reported by the media as being Al Qaeda with the Telegraph saying he fought against the West in Afghanistan. The fact that Nato employs Al Qaeda operatives seems strange enough, but then he was given space in the Guardian to write an op-ed. Why?

    In this case the Guardian clearly showed they are not impartial and that they support Nato's agenda. Doesn't matter that the guy is a murderer who has probably killed Nato or US troops, yet the Guardian dutifully lets him have his say because he now supports the West. So I use the MSM to show these disparities and to point out that the corporate media is often not to be trusted.

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    weedkila

    @zichi

    but maybe you are the one who might need to be more realistic especially about your statements. Since when did NATO kill millions?

    The sentence was ... the West is invading any country it wants for whatever reason it cooks up and kills millions (over the years). Is that not true? Nato and the people behind Nato are a major part of this hegemony, and that includes both economic and hot wars.

    The request for a NATO no-fly zone came from the UN.

    A no-fly zone is not the same as a prolonged bombing campaign. Russia for one was not happy about this.

    I'm sorry to hear that you lost your friend in the Lockerbie bombing but nobody on this board that I'm aware of is claiming that Gaddafi wasn't a bad boy. At the same time there is a lot of disinfo out there and machiavellian tactics used by the Intel agencies and politicians, so does the public know what's really going on?

    For example there seems to be much more to the Lockerbie bombing than meets the eye with it coming out that so-called witnesses have been paid off to give false testimony, as well as strong resistance by the establishment to have new evidence blocked at Lockerbie court hearings in recent years. I believe it was this new and potentially damaging evidence that was the real reason the alleged Lockerbie bomber was sent home to Libya for ostensibly "compassionate reasons." Who knows what happened but I'd prefer to remain skeptical.

    To be honest I don't know much about the IRA thing and other atrocities that were supposed to have been done by him and his operatives. But it is apparent that he was best of mates with people like Tony Blair or Silvio Berlusconi (birds of a feather?) in more recent times and these incidents from the past should really have nothing to do with this latest campaign.

    So you think we should not have been involved and allowed Gaddafi to massacre his own people.

    That's right. But do you really believe that Gaddafi was going to massacre his own people? Who are these so-called rebels anyway and who backs them? Further up the board I wrote that it has been admitted that many members are Al Qaeda. If so he has every right to throw them in prison. Massacre is different matter but where is the proof of that?

    Gaddafi stated he would have killed every rebel and their families, including their children.

    Yep, that's the story, part of the script to pull your heart strings. Just like the fake baby-in-the-incubator psy-op to help get Western audiences to support the first Gulf War. So what's new? Anyway from what I've read it was the rebels who were the wild ones, raping and murdering with abandon in more eastern areas of Libya during the earlier days of the conflict. Depends on where one gets their info, or disinfo as the case may be.

    The NATO action probably help prevent more deaths than what happened.

    More self-justification. How do you know that?

    So please, inform me, what would you have done about the civil war in Libya?

    Nothing! Only the MSM sold it as a civil war, or was it an uprising? As I said, it's none of the West's business what goes on in Libya and with all these Arab Spring uprisings happening around the same time it just seems a bit too coincidental. There is certainly evidence that the intel agencies have been involved so who's to say they did not instigate this 'civil war' in Libya?

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    weedkila

    @zichi

    It sounds like you see Nato et al through rose coloured glasses. People who support the Nato killing machine can justify its actions all they want but that doesn't change the fact that the West is invading any country it wants for whatever reason it cooks up and kills millions (over the years). What Gaddafi did or didn't do is none of our freaking business. He certainly never invaded another country, far from it.

    You and other arm chair warriors who support this killing machine are in denial and being apologists is not helpful, to say the least. Finally, hasn't humanity been down this invasion road before? And how does it always end?

    Posted in: Pulled from drain pipe, Gadhafi was shown no mercy

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    weedkila

    Civilian cost of NATO victory in Libya

    While there are no exact figures on casualties, speaking back in September, the health minister in the new Libyan government estimated that at least 30,000 people had been killed and 50,000 wounded during the first six months of war.

    http://rt.com/news/libya-nato-civilian-deaths-323/

    Posted in: Pulled from drain pipe, Gadhafi was shown no mercy

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    weedkila

    Information Minister Mahmoud Shammam also said authorities are "debating right now what the best place is to bury him."

    In the sea?

    Is it possible that Nato decided to throw in the towel and needed a pretext (Gaddafi's death) to get out and leave the rebels to their own fate? (See link at end)

    We saw the videos of Gaddafi (actor?) being roughed up and covered in blood(?) but then, according to the AP story:

    [M]ost accounts agree upon is that Gadhafi died about 30-40 minutes later as he was being taken in an ambulance to Misrata. […] Prime Minister Mahmoud Jibril gave a different account Thursday, saying the fatal wounds were suffered later, when Gadhafi had been taken to the ambulance. As it set off for Misrata, the vehicle was caught in crossfire between revolutionaries and Gadhafi loyalists.

    Information Minister Mahmoud Shammam mirrored this version Friday, saying the wounds came later, after his capture. “It seems like the bullet was a stray and it could have come from the revolutionaries or the loyalists,” Shammam said. “The problem is everyone around the event is giving his own story.”

    Is it possible the videos were faked? And is the body in the freezer Gaddafi's or someone else's?

    There were reports of Gaddafi's sons being killed earlier on and then turning up alive later. Same goes for the multiple deaths of Osama, especially the latest show in Pakistan, as well as other members of Al Qaeda.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/galleryoffakebinladens.php

    Hilarious Clinton was also in Tripoli the day before on a photo op and calling for the death of Gaddafi. And suddenly, one day later he's dead. I'm not saying that Gaddafi isn't dead, just that there is more to this story than what is being reported.

    NATO Surrenders -- The Real Deal

    http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=629074

    Posted in: Gadhafi's body stashed in shopping center freezer

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    weedkila

    Madverts,

    My ex-girlfriend's father is an Algerian diplomat. From what I understand the MSM haven't reported yet on the height of the actual attrocities committed by Gadaffi in the early days of the uprising. The bones already uncovered at Abu Salim prison from an earlier, failed uprising are chilling enough.

    As someone else said, Gaddafi was no angel. But then again, we hear so many lies it's hard to know what's true and what's not. The yellowcake scam or the missing WMD in Iraq is just one example of blatant lies leading to the destruction of an entire country. Also as I asked before, why hasn't Nato intervened to help peaceful demonstrators in Bahrain, for example if they're so concerned about human rights? Or Iraqi and Afghan prisoners being incarcerated without charge? Ask them about human rights. Point is, suggesting that Nato acts in support of human rights is silly.

    NATO airstrikes do not target civilians, that's simply un-true. Why bring this up?

    Actually, you did! Your quote: "…even though they were being massacred until NATO gave a helping-airstrike." The difference between you and me is that you think it was "a" helping airstrike. Kind of Orwellian don't you think, like war is peace or unadulterated power is kindness. Like I said casualties are in the 10s of thousands and Nato have also been using DU arms. So much for not targeting civilians.

    Civillian casualities are most unfortunate, but inevitable. How many civillian casualties would there have been had he been left to quell the country-wide mutiny with his greatly better armed and trained merc army?

    Where did you get the information that there was was a "country-wide mutiny?" There is no proof of that. Some people hated Gaddafi for sure but as I pointed out earlier there was at least one rally of roughly 1.5 million people held in Tripoli in support of the man. Google it. Further evidence is the fierce resistance put up by loyalists and civilians to defend themselves from the rebels. A bit difficult though when Nato was bombing the cr@p out of them. And why are civilian casualties inevitable? No war, no casualties!

    Today it's Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Pakistan etc, tomorrow it's Syria or Lebanon or Iran or somewhere else. Then this warmongering (or police state) comes home to roost as it's already starting to happen. I don't know about you but I don't particularly look forward to it.

    Posted in: Pulled from drain pipe, Gadhafi was shown no mercy

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    weedkila

    @Ben_Jackinoff

    Thou doth protest too much it seems.

    Maybe. But there's always two sides to a story and it's the MSM which has the bullhorn.

    Posted in: Pulled from drain pipe, Gadhafi was shown no mercy

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    weedkila

    Really? I thought it was a genuine civil up-uprising against a mad dog dictator, even though they were being massacred until NATO gave a helping-airstrike.

    Maybe you're right. But do you have any links for this massacre other than from the usual MSM outlets? And how do Nato airstrikes help when they're targeting civilians? I don't know the number of casualties but I've read it's in the 10s of thousands.

    Other possible and more likely reasons…

    Libyan Rebels Form Their Own Central Bank

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/42308613/Libyan_Rebels_Form_Their_Own_Central_Bank

    BENGHAZI, Libya, May 12 (Reuters) - A central bank set up by Libyan rebels has virtually no reserves, but plans to inject dollars into the economy to prop up the Libyan dinar once funds pledged by Western powers arrive, the rebel economy chief said.

    http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFBAB22578120110512

    Invasion of Libya was About Gaddafi’s Plan to Introduce Gold Dinar

    http://www.goldstockbull.com/articles/libya-invasion-gaddafi-plan-gold-dinar/

    Posted in: Pulled from drain pipe, Gadhafi was shown no mercy

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    weedkila

    @tokyokawasaki - 11:12AM

    Tokyokawasaki, you seem clued up about the problem of central banks and fiat money. Perhaps you should also check out what Gaddafi intended to do and, in fact, had been doing for his own people as well as for other Africans. The Libyan bank was free from Rothschild style usury and issued loans interest free.

    As for trade, Gaddafi's plan was to ditch the petrodollar in favour of gold dinars, not just for Libya but for the whole of Africa. It was a direct challenge to the PTB in the West and was the main reason for the invasion. The issue of oil and human rights has been used as a distraction.

    Interestingly, one of the first things the Nato-backed rebels (aka Al Qaeda) did when they finally managed to get control of Benghaze was to set up a western style central bank. The Libyans suddenly went from freedom to debt slavery.

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    weedkila

    A minus point to my last video link only a minute or so after posting. Hmmm. That bad man, Gaddafi, nobody should know anything about him other than what's said in the corporate media. But with the video getting 600 likes to 34 dislikes, it seems some people prefer not to listen to ABCNNBCBBC news.

    Posted in: Pulled from drain pipe, Gadhafi was shown no mercy

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    weedkila

    Has anyone seen this video? It's really worth a few minutes.

    'Libya & Gaddafi - The Truth you are not supposed to know'

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XorKTwkFPDU

    Posted in: Pulled from drain pipe, Gadhafi was shown no mercy

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    weedkila

    Wonders if the new government will be any better?

    Good question. Believe it or not a large number of the rebels are Al Qaeda. In fact one of them, Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, is the rebel commander and fought against the West in Afghanistan. So why is he now on Nato's side? Basically you have the rebels (Al Qaeda) backed up by NATO killing Libyan people to bring peace. Doesn't that ring a few warning bells? The Guardian even gave al-Hasidi space to write an op-ed (probably penned by Nato people). Surreal, until you really know what's going on.

    Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/27/revolution-belongs-to-all-libyans

    I suggest people go to the following links to try and see another side of the picture. All we get is the West's propaganda about how bad Gaddafi was. But did you know that there was a huge rally in support of him back in June or July. As I recall something like 1.5 million people turned out in a country whose population is only 4 million.

    The reason Libya was invaded had nothing to do with human rights abuses. (Does the West invade Bahrain or Saudi Arabia, for example, for their egregious human rights abuses?) The human rights thing was just a pretext and the public swallow it so easily. Time to wake up and see who your real enemy is.

    Libya & Gaddafi - The Truth you are not supposed to know

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XorKTwkFPDU

    Lizzy Phelan's testimony

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFvpfkUyBqE

    As for the possibility of whether Gaddafi has really been killed see this.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/galleryoffakebinladens.php

    Posted in: Pulled from drain pipe, Gadhafi was shown no mercy

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    weedkila

    2000-2010 was the warmest decade on record. How can this be? Could it be that climate sceptics always start with 1998 because it had a very strong El Nino warming and so is higher than subsequent years?

    Well you're right that the temperature did spike in 1998 because of el nino. But setting aside that particular year global mean temperatures don't just drop or increase overnight. There is a time lag of years before the climate reflects the change and the ocean and satellite measurements have been showing this since around 1998 (or '99 if you prefer).

    Most of the heat (energy) is stored and released in the oceans. You can do a search but there is system called Argo which consists of about 3000 buoys scattered around the world's oceans and they've been showing either a flattening or slight cooling trend. Same for the satellite based monitoring. Argo (and satellites) give a much more accurate indication of mean temperatures than land-based monitors since air and land hold heat for only a short period. (If you think about it there is twice as much stored energy in 2 litres of boiled water than 1 litre despite them both being the same temperature whereas air does not really show this.) You can check out ocean temps here (from 2003 onwards)

    http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps

    You mentioned that 2000-2010 was the warmest decade on record. Could it be that the pro-global warming people focus mainly on computer modelling as well as land-based temperature monitors? The computer models have mostly proven wrong in their predictions (junk in, junk out) and the scientists have been caught cherry picking or manipulating temperatures from ground based monitoring stations, tree ring data etc.

    Indeed, governments don't want clean, safe, cheap and abundant sources of energy - in conspiracy theories. In real life they want to cut expenditures as much as they can.

    Have you ever looked into alternative sources of energy rather than repeating what the MSM tells you? As for governments "wanting to cut expenditures as much as they can." - LOL. Let's start with the US, European, Chinese, Japanese etc. governments giving massive bail-outs to prop up privately owned banks.

    Posted in: Energy ministers: Demand, pollution to skyrocket

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    weedkila

    A report by Swiss bank Credit Suisse predicts that total household wealth worldwide will rise 50% in the next five years to $345 trillion from $231 trillion today.

    What they don't tell you is that with all the money printing going on the cost of a loaf of bread will rise to 1000%, or something similarly outrageous.

    The report released Wednesday suggests China will replace Japan as the second-wealthiest country in the world by 2016.

    But when will China's bubble burst and what will the effect be? With its high inflation and unemployment problem, the talk on the net is that China is in for a hard landing.

    The report says the U.S. will remain the world’s wealthiest nation

    Interesting. They didn't mention the massive quantitive easing going on by the Fed or the $600 trillion derivative death star. Yesterday bloomberg reported that $75 TRILLION worth of derivatives risk was transferred to the US taxpayer. THe world's total GDP is only something like $62 trillion. It's all funny money but guess who is being driven into the dirt.

    http://dailybail.com/home/holy-bailout-federal-reserve-now-backstopping-75-trillion-of.html?utmsource=feedburner&utmmedium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheDailyBail+%28The+Daily+Bail%29

    Posted in: World wealth to rise 50% in 5 years with China replacing Japan in No. 2 spot

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    weedkila

    It refused to sign the Kyoto agreement.

    @zichi, maybe that's because the politicians knew global warming due to CO2 was never a real problem, just a manufactured one. The global warming industry is worth Trillions and the promotion won't be given up easily despite the fact that global temperatures have been on the decrease since around 1998. The decade long cooling trend is the reason for the name change to climate change and lately, climate disruption.

    I agree with what you say about nuke power. It's interesting that the media has changed it's focus of scaremongering from peak oil/peak energy to pollution and demand (thank you internet). It seems the only real problem we face is that clean, safe, cheap and abundant alternative sources of energy have been kept hidden from the public - there is plenty of evidence for that. Control energy and you control people and profit.

    Posted in: Energy ministers: Demand, pollution to skyrocket

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    @JapanGal

    The banksters and their corporate buddies caused the unemployment problem and you want the draft back so the unemployed can go and fight the bankers wars for them. Brilliant! No wonder they are laughing at us.

    Posted in: Occupy Wall Street movement flexes muscles one month on

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    weedkila

    @HumanTarget

    Good questions but can you (or anyone else) answer them?

    Sorry but if you quote Reuters about debt forgiveness then I automatically know it's a promotion by the very same banksters that people are protesting against. Do a search and you'll find that Reuters, AP and other corporate media organisations like these are either owned or indirectly controlled by the elite of the elite, the Rothschilds. As for the HuffingtonPost it promotes the left wing agenda which makes it suspect. It's all about divide and rule and is plain to see in the AFP article above.

    LEFT

    President Barack Obama has led Democrats in tentatively embracing the movement. […] “The president has expressed an understanding of the frustration that the demonstrations manifest and represent.”

    RIGHT

    On the other side, Republican presidential candidates have been scathing in their attacks on the group, signaling that it has at the least become too big to ignore. […] Even Republicans, while mostly disagreeing with the protestors’ views ...

    Left vs Right = Divide and Conquer ---- you can see it in plenty of comments on this board supporting one side or the other.

    The elitists set up an argument or problem, control the debate through controlled politicians, the media etc, and finally come up with the solution that suits them. Problem, Reaction, Solution - works every time. For the most part people are non the wiser, although fortunately a lot of people are now catching on.

    You mentioned David Graeber and his proposal of debt forgiveness. I don't know much about him but one site I trust had this to say:

    What's the alternative media's verdict? Occupy Wall Street has been fomented with organizational elements of the US State Department and its AYM arm, abetted no doubt by the FBI, CIA and other Intel organizations. Funding nominally is being provided via Adbusters magazine, which gets its funding through Soros-managed entities among others and its direct democracy approach from pseudo anarchist David Graeber. -- TheDailyBell.com

    Posted in: Occupy Wall Street movement flexes muscles one month on

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    weedkila

    @HumanTarget

    You mentioned highly educated and well-known economists are in favour of wiping all debts of the 99%. Ok, sounds good but just a few questions to make sure we're on the right track.

    1 How did 100s of millions, possibly billions of people accumulate such large debts in the first place?

    2 Where did the money come from that was borrowed and how was it created?

    3 Do these indebted populations REALLY owe the money the banks and politicians say they do? And if so who do they owe the money to?

    4 Why are so many countries in debt and/or in trouble economically? Even China is entering troubled waters as are the BRIC countries.

    5 Did the people of these indebted countries (ie: Greece) really have any choice in the matter of how their governments acted?

    6 Who are the highly educated and well-known economists you talk about? Do you mean people like nobel prize winner Paul Krugman or Noriel Roubini? If so who pays their salaries and are they really impartial?

    7 If the debt is miraculously wiped will it solve everything or will it just reset the system till it happens again a bit further down the road? Who would lose out?

    You might be right that wiping all debts is the solution but I ask these questions because it is kind of important that people understand the current problems without being led astray by experts who might be telling only half-truths and avoiding the central issue of why the economies and financial system are in such a state.

    Posted in: Occupy Wall Street movement flexes muscles one month on

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