Thursday February 16, 2012

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    yabits

    Huntsman told NBC television’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday that the information needs to come out “in total” because legitimate questions have been raised and the controversy has distracted from real issues on the campaign trail.

    A Republican with honor.

    The former House speaker has been divorced twice and married three times, including to his current wife, with whom he had an affair while married to his second wife.

    And something else entirely.

    Posted in: Cain accuser stands by allegation; he ducks issue

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    yabits

    Coulter, and conservatives in general, naturally support black conservatives.

    Tearing down black people who aren't conservative is a way to support other conservatives? Glad I'm hearing that from you.

    For liberals, who spend their lives seeking out reasons to generate animosity among the races, this is laughable. Coulter does this to Liberals all the time...

    Does what to liberals? Looks for ways to generate animosity? Telling the vast majority of African-Americans they are inferior if they don't accept conservatism is a pretty good way to do it.

    So if someone where to "allege" that President Obama attended a racist black-nationalist church for nearly 20 years then his reputation would be sullied I suppose?

    Imagine that. On the one hand we've got a person in Cain whose organization had to pay off women in order to avoid going to court on multiple sexual harassment allegations leveled against him. On the other is a man who the seeming defenders of racism and harassment accuse of praying to God in the wrong church. Rich indeed. (The video tape, by the way, proves nothing. Whites also attended Obama's church. There was no overt message that blacks who attended that church were superior to anyone else.)

    The Duke issue is worth mentioning. The primary reason the case failed is because another woman came forward with her story that the plaintiff was trying to scam the players. It does not relate at all to the Cain case, which involves a pattern of multiple instances with professional women in work-related settings, and includes other witnesses.

    You have no way of knowing what the lawyers for the NRA or the accusers did.

    The man did not take it to court the way the Duke players did. That is what we ALL know.

    No doubt you don't think he is man of honor after all, he is a black Conservative.

    His color or political beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with it. A man of honor would have protected his name and reputation. Anyone who would not do that is unfit, regardless of his situation. Anyone who takes his case to court to face judgment and possible punishment is acting honorably -- regardless of the offense that brought them there.

    I cannot say what the NRA's rationale was for settling with the accusers

    When there is more than one accusation, the probability grows ever higher that the accusers have a case. Something is definitely wrong. Even more so when given so much time -- Cain claims it was 10 days -- to get his story together.

    Regardless, my understanding is that Cain was unaware of the NRA's decision to settle with the accusers until after the fact.

    Cain says he was aware that a complaint against his behavior was made. Then he first said he was unaware of a financial settlement given to a female employee over allegations he sexually harassed her - but later acknowledged he was aware of an ‘agreement.’ Cain asserts there is a difference in his mind between an "agreement" and a "settlement," but no one else on the planet can discern what that difference is.

    Based on the volume of your posts here and your party line defense of Democrats and their attacks on conservatives, you are undoubtedly a true believer.

    It is my fervent hope as an American that people will resolve to seek the truth, use common sense, and act with honor. I have voted for Republicans in the past and would do so again if and when the party regains its sanity.

    Posted in: Republican candidate Cain denies report of sexual harassment

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    yabits

    YOU suggested that Coulter was being ignored.

    No. It was you who first wrote this: "If conservatives ignore her, why do you think she is so important?"

    I never suggested that Coulter was being ignored; it was you who leaped to that conclusion. There is a BIG difference between being ignored and remaining silent in the face of racist remarks. In fact, far from being ignored, those conservatives speaking out are defending or rationalizing Coulter's racist comment.

    Posted in: Confident Cain plans to cut back campaign events

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    yabits

    He was the chairman and CEO of Godfather's Pizza from 1986 to 1996. Cain was the deputy chairman of the board of directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City from 1992 to 1994, and was chairman from 1995 to 1996. Cain was then president and CEO of the National Restaurant Association from 1996 to 1999.

    Noted that Cain's resume stops over a decade ago. Probably figured he could cash in on the "I'm one of the Better Blacks-Just ask Ann Coulter" speakers circuit.

    Obama, on the other hand...

    Obama, on the hand, became a US Senator, President of the United States, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. A fact that drives conservatives apoplectic with disgust. Just ask bin Laden if he's done an effective job.

    Of course, motivational speaker really comes close to matching those accomplishments.

    Posted in: Confident Cain plans to cut back campaign events

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    yabits

    Coulter claims that "her" team (conservatives) are better than "their" team (progressives and liberals)

    Hold on a second. A few posts ago you were implying that Coulter is ignored by conservatives. I guess the reminder of all those thousands upon thousands of books she's sold them was enough to dissuade that piece of idiocy.

    It's nice for you to use the word "team" because a team is non-specific as to its make-up. But Coulter didn't use the word "team" to defend Cain: She flat out stated that "her/our blacks" were better than any blacks that weren't part of her political bent.

    It's tough to convince others that you are right and they are wrong when you don't understand what they are saying.

    It's even tougher to convince those who shamelessly defend bigotry by dishonestly replacing key words, ie: blacks. Coulter is even better than the fictional Archie Bunker. And her "explainers" sure know how to dance.

    Posted in: Confident Cain plans to cut back campaign events

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    yabits

    Gosh, I'm sorry, I thought "on a par with" meant about the same level", which in this case would be that Cain changed his story about 9 times, which isn't really even close, is it,

    I have lost track of the number of times Cain's story has shifted. However, if a public figure makes a statement that generates 20 stories on average, then 100 stories would be on a par with five statements. Ratios can also express equality as in 20:1 is equal to 100:5. Only a fool would think that there would be a 1:1 ratio from a statement to a story, especially in today's blogosphere where updates come hourly.

    One of these women said Cain sexually harrassed her in 1999. And this is only coming to light now, after several months of campaigning? What took Politico so long?

    The questions themselves betray a lack of understanding of the world of adults.

    Posted in: Third woman says she was harassed by Cain

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    yabits

    Yeah, and since the number of updates was 9, you are insinuating that Cain changed his story 9 times. Don't you see that?

    Yes, I see how it could look like an insinuation to someone who did not grasp the meaning of "on a par with."

    Yeah, as if Cain or anyone else could keep these ankle-biting poodles quiet.

    Cain should have taken a lesson from President Obama. He handled the controversy surrounding his former pastor masterfully. Of course, President Obama is one of those inferior, non-conservative blacks that Coulter refers to.

    Any chance Cain is the victim here?

    Yes, he's a victim of himself. By choosing to have his organization pay off the women rather than take them to court, he himself created the murkiness and ambiguity that his defenders are now using to try to prop him up. If a person levels an untrue accusation of the degree of seriousness of the women's allegations, we will definitely meet in court and the accusing party will be looking at a defamation lawsuit on top of it.

    If the NRA -- the organization that Cain headed -- would not defend Cain's reputation, honor, and good name, what is the basis for anyone else to do so in this matter?

    Posted in: Third woman says she was harassed by Cain

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    yabits

    You don't know that and you certainly can't extrapolate that to all conservatives based on the quote in which she stands in solidarity with Herman Cain. There is just nothing there.

    Oh, how you just wish that were true. When Coulter identifies one entire class of people (black conservatives) as being better than another class (any black who isn't a conservative) she gives the game away. There are at least a million other ways of expressing "solidarity" without having to disparage an entire class of people to do it. I find the conservative penchant to pretend there is "nothing" to be quite laughable, coming from the party that spews out false accusations as though they were shot out of a Gatling gun.

    But to the larger point, conservatives think their view is superior to liberalism or else they wouldn't be conservative.

    What makes liberalism a better choice for human beings is the realization that liberals believe and trust in the truth and the scientific evidence as opposed to blind faith in an ideology. (Which is why conservatives are opposed to change.) Liberals believe that truth should be the guide, and that truth will force change. We don't write off our conservative opponents as hopeless -- the way conservatives write off liberals.

    Which brings us to the "truth" of the inherent contradiction in these two statements:

    It never saw the light of day because the accusers wanted the money more than their day in court.

    and

    How nice to sully a persons reputation for political purposes and hide themselves from public scrutiny.

    Cain's reputation was "sullied" as soon as the women brought their complaints to the NRA, completely independently, it might be added. Cain's organization offered the women an amount of money which they otherwise might have received in a court settlement. What is important here is the realization that at no time did the organization seek to defend the reputation of the person accused of the improper conduct. That can only be done in a setting in front of impartial citizens impaneled as a jury.

    Now you can bend over backwards and twist yourself into a pretzel trying to rationalize that all away. The fact of the matter is that the accusations put the man's reputation and honor at stake. Now I'm very old-fashioned when it comes to things like that. If I know I did not do anything wrong, I would see any party in court to defend my reputation and clear my name. Were I truly innocent, I would never pay a claimant a single penny. Cain's actions in the face of the accusations do not speak as worthy of a man of honor in my book.

    Not unless the accusations had merit. Then, the problem becomes Cain's reaction to the revelations of his clouded past. Well, consistently, he didn't appear to be honorable then -- and he certainly does not appear to be honorable now.

    Does that make him an unfit candidate for our nation's highest office? I certainly think so, but that's for Republicans to decide. Should they stick in solidarity with Cain, one would hope they would drop the hypocritical posing as to how their black conservatives are so superior to the non-conservative members of the race.

    Posted in: Republican candidate Cain denies report of sexual harassment

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    yabits

    The fact of the matter is yabits is correct...

    Cain hasn't changed his story 9 times as yabits claimed

    The fact of the matter is I never gave a specific number of the times Cain changed his story. I said the number of updates given by one poster was on a par with Cain's story changes. serrano doesn't know what "on a par with" means.

    First of all, I think in these days of the blogosphere and instant updating, putting out a number of 90 or whatever updates to the story is more an indication of Cain's miserable failure to control the story. Every less-than-accurate statement that Cain makes is going to be fact-checked with officials at NRA as well as the legal counsel for Cain's victims -- as well as with anyone who worked at NRA during Cain's tenure who may have witnessed his creepy behavior. (And there are one or two of those discovered thus far.)

    Therefore, every misstatement or failure to "remember properly" is going to generate between five to ten updates as the stuff gets sifted out. This is how the internet handles stories like this today.

    Posted in: Third woman says she was harassed by Cain

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    yabits

    Coulter supports Cain because he is a conservative, not because he is a black conservative.

    If Cain wasn't conservative, he'd be an inferior black in Coulter's view.

    Since she no doubt thinks that whites, Hispanic's, Asian's, Native American's, or any other racial or other group of people that agree with the way she thinks are superior to those of the same group that don't.

    It's this strange viewpoint that one's political outlook automatically makes them superior to every other member of their group who doesn't hold their views is what so many conservatives falsely accuse liberals of doing. And yet here we see them doing that exact same thing, in most clear-cut of language.

    Don't you think Liberalism is superior to conservatism?

    I certainly believe that better solutions to problems -- solutions that will benefit the many as opposed to a small percentage -- can be achieved through a liberal philosophy, but that doesn't make liberals better people than others with a different point of view. However, if that other point of view is one that embraces the kind of bigotry that Coulter expressed, then liberalism is most definitely superior to it.

    So basically Herman Cain is racist against himself?

    There are people who do hate parts of their identity, yes. Sharpton may see some of that in Cain. I did not hear his reasoning behind why he didn't feel Cain was authentic. Note that Sharpton didn't say that every black conservative was not authentic -- that would be a bomb equivalent to Coulter's comment. The two are not comparable.

    What woman? No one has come forward and said anything except anonymously.

    The women who got paid damages rather than having their complaints be made public in front of jury in a court of law. Those women.

    Anyone can do that to a politician just to smear them or as a way to leave 'questions' about ones character

    Cain was not a politician but an executive in a position of power over others. The Duke players were exonerated in a court of law. The organization that Cain headed never wanted these multiple allegations brought by more than one woman to see the light of day. Things remained "anonymous" and confidential because that's exactly how Cain and his organization wanted it.

    You keep talking about "proof of guilt." That is not what is relevant here. What is relevant is Cain's behavior when he had so much lead time before the story broke -- and how his story kept changing. He could take potshots at the women involved knowing that they would not be likely to come forward and get the Anita Hill treatment from the conservative character assassins.

    There is something very creepy about Herman Cain that has nothing to do with the color of his skin or the political views he holds. A "Jimmy Swaggart" kind of creepiness. I've seen the type before. I therefore give a lot of credence to the reports of improper conduct, as well as to what the awarding of hush money suggests.

    Posted in: Republican candidate Cain denies report of sexual harassment

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    yabits

    So this entire issue comes essentially boils down to Ann Coulter for you?

    No. It's the spirit of Ann Coulter's statement that pervades the conservative movement. That's what it boils down to.

    She is telling everyone that she shares a solidarity with a black man that thinks the way she does. How is that racist?

    No, she is telling everyone that black people who think like she does are superior to black people who don't. Simple as that.

    Hows this for you, Al Sharpton doesn't think Herman Cain is an authentic black men - whatever that is supposed to mean.

    Well, if a white person makes an utterly bigoted statement against an entire class of people and Herman Cain stands in solidarity with it, I would seriously doubt he would have any integrity when he started speaking out of the other side of his mouth about the content of one's character.

    Liberals have a particular hatred for conservatives that they feel should not be conservative - by this I mean anyone except for heterosexual white man.

    A lot of conservatives really seem to think that. (As a liberal, I have so such strong feelings outside of bemusement and curiosity -- like hearing a chicken clucking the praises of Colonel Sanders.)

    They go out of their minds with hatred and contempt. That is what you are seeing from the main stream media today.

    What we have seen of Cain's persona is just the tip of an iceberg. The women who formally went on record as reporting Cain's offensive and inappropriate conduct -- as viewed by them and other witnesses -- are showing what lies beneath. Nobody appears to be losing their minds but the conservatives who make such ludicrous statements about hatred and contempt -- which is what they are projecting onto others. All that hatred and contempt comes from within themselves.

    Posted in: Republican candidate Cain denies report of sexual harassment

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    yabits

    So go ahead and refute for us here what Coulter claims...

    So you support what Coulter claims. Why would anyone waste their time showing dyed-in-the-wool bigots why bigotry is wrong? By all means, continue to wallow in your own hatred.

    Posted in: Confident Cain plans to cut back campaign events

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    yabits

    I twist nothing. You fail to confront the tendency by the Left to tar conservatives as racist when they demonstrably are not.

    Ann Coulter's statement with regard to the Cain affair that "Our blacks are better than their blacks" proves demonstrably that many conservatives, even a prominent, highly-visible and vocal one like Coulter, are racist to the core. I don't see other conservatives rushing to condemn her remarks. Most likely they would try to defend them.

    Yes, conservatives judge people by their views (ie. what is in their head) so in that you are correct.

    Yes, it's why Newt Gingrich -- who tossed aside two wives (one dying of cancer as Edwards' wife was) -- can run for president. It goes to show there's little between views and actual character. Which proves my point. In Coulter's view the content of the character of anyone who is a black liberal does not rise to the level of any black conservative.

    Liberals are going after Cain because he threatens a core Liberal belief.

    Liberals aren't going after Cain. Cain is being taken down by other Republicans. He is involved in a Republican race, after all -- with millions being collected by his opponents to defeat him. As a liberal, I can attest that Cain does nothing but strongly reinforce my liberal beliefs. He doesn't threaten them in any way whatsoever.

    Posted in: Republican candidate Cain denies report of sexual harassment

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    yabits

    If few conservatives have raised their voices to dispute or condemn her remarks, why do you insist that Coulter speaks for conservatives? If conservatives ignore her...

    Where do you come up with such dense and pointless questions?

    Where did I ever "insist" that Coulter speaks "for conservatives?" She speaks as a conservative and strong supporter of the tea party movement. It is obvious that her views have a great deal of appeal among other conservatives, since they fork over their money to buy her books. It is terribly stupid to imply or claim that conservatives ignore her, judging by the sales of those books.

    Posted in: Confident Cain plans to cut back campaign events

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    yabits

    I wonder what yabits will do if no clear evidence emerges that Cain sexually harrassed anyone

    I would like clear evidence that Cain can tell the truth about the allegations. So far he has done the opposite. Cain should publicly declare that he will subject himself to a polygraph test and then do so. That is what Anita Hill did, and passed with flying colors. (Clarence Thomas absolutely refused the test.)

    even though he runs circles around Obama as far as business knowledge goes

    I'm not sure that running a pizza franchise gives one superior business knowledge in the areas where a president most needs it. Cain's ability to assess and situation and prepare to address it effectively is clearly lacking.

    Posted in: Cain accuser sticks with allegation

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    yabits

    Yeah, well, he isn't a politician, he doesn't have experience of defending himself against smear campaigns.

    This is foolish one many fronts, but one has come to expect no less than utter foolishness from Cain's enablers. First off, a good CEO has to know how to read his marketplace, which includes knowing what his competition is saying about his brand, knowing what is going to be said, and forming a strategy to address those. Cain failed miserably from the standpoint of a business leader on those points.

    Next, when going before the public to defend his brand, a good CEO has to speak succinctly and forthrightly. Cain failed in this critical area too.

    What the campaign against Cain has in common with the one against Clinton is that both originate from among the Republicans. With Republicans for "friends," one doesn't need enemies. Perhaps this is why so many Republicans are so tight-knit: they are following the advice to "keep their enemies closer."

    Posted in: Republican candidate Cain denies report of sexual harassment

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    yabits

    Who cares? ... She doesn't hold office.

    She's a right-wing, tea-party-supporting conservative whose books and ideas sell quite well among them. And she just made a statement asserting that one entire class of people (black conservatives) is inherently superior to another class (black supporters of liberals and Democrats).

    It is rather noteworthy that few, if any, conservatives have raised their voices to dispute or condemn her remarks. Expressing that an entire class of people is inferior because of their racial identity combined with their politics is the proof that many right-wingers do not judge individuals by the content of their character. Such a sweeping generalization shows how right-wingers demonize an entire group of people.

    Thank you, Ann.

    Posted in: Confident Cain plans to cut back campaign events

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    yabits

    Politico has run 90 stories in 5 days about Cain.

    Gee, that's nearly on par with how many times Cain has changed his.

    The political graveyard is fully integrated. There is plenty of room for Cain alongside Edwards, Packwood, Foley, et. al. Funny, I don't seem to recall liberals and Dems defending Edwards behavior the way conservatives defended Packwood's and now Cain's.

    Posted in: Third woman says she was harassed by Cain

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    yabits

    Or we'll never really know unless the women produce recordings of Cain

    What we do know is damning enough: Cain had well over a week (Politico says they gave him 10 days) to get his facts and story straight. And yet, when the story that he knew was going to break finally did, he looked like a man completely unprepared -- constantly changing the details of his stories. Seriously, the man is in need of constant damage control.

    It would be like being handed a report with a title like *Terrorist group poised to attack America** and immediately going on vacation.

    Posted in: Republican candidate Cain denies report of sexual harassment

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    yabits

    Yeah, it's just Cain's word against hers.

    ...and hers.

    ...and hers.

    ...and...

    (Bob Packwood flashes a knowing wink.)

    Posted in: Cain accuser sticks with allegation

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