She's right but I have to say, I am not happy with this warlord being in Japan asking yet again for more money. Afghanistan has always been wild and uncontrollable. Stop sinking money into a corrupt government who plays poker with the public's lives.
Lowly at Jul. 08, 2012 - 05:52PM JST
poor hillary-
she has to be a spokesman for meaningless civilian-wrecking war like Vietnam. I guess she chose the job. time to get out.
Yubaru at Jul. 08, 2012 - 08:30PM JST
Poor Hillary? I hardly think so. She loves the spotlight and this just gives her another opportunity to stand in it.
The issue itself is difficult at best, women in most Islamic countries live as what seems to me like second class citizens and the US Sec Of State is hardly the person to be preaching about rights issues when the government she represents can not clean up it's own backyard.
Ronald F Stark at Jul. 08, 2012 - 09:03PM JST
when the government she represents can not clean up it's own backyard.
Exactly! SHE, a woman, is the Secretary of State! The USA has allowed women to advance equally. We don't keep them illiterate and covered from head to toe like some stone-age societies. She has earned her position and this gives her the right so speak for the United States and work towards human rights, even in cesspools like Afghanistan.
Guza! at Jul. 08, 2012 - 09:17PM JST
I dont see negotiations going to well for afgan wemons rights, thats practically their culture zand they seem to be pretty stubborn about things like that
Yubaru at Jul. 08, 2012 - 09:27PM JST
She has earned her position and this gives her the right so speak for the United States and work towards human rights, even in cesspools like Afghanistan.
I disagree that she "earned" anything. It it wasn't for her husband being the former President she would not be where she is today. She is a politician no more, no less. I don't like her being the mouth-piece of the US and it has nothing to do with whether or not she is a woman either. I don't like her for who she is and what she represents about America.
She is an arrogant prima donna.
Exactly! SHE, a woman, is the Secretary of State! The USA has allowed women to advance equally.
I could argue about this endlessly, the US does not allow women to advance equally, the appearance may be that way but the reality is different. While the US is better than Afghanistan, by far no doubt, it still is hypocritical to have her preach about women's rights when she is just a man in disguise.
Aliasis at Jul. 09, 2012 - 12:14AM JST
I agree that the US still has a long way to go in women's equality - sure, on the surface, we have (mostly but not totally) equal rights. On the other hand, I think Clinton has fought long and hard for her position, and though I don't always agree with her - sometimes, passionately disagree, in fact - I admire her strength and generally do think she means well.
I get defensive of her mainly because 99% of the criticism against her uses sexist rhetoric, and in the end, many people who claim that they aren't sexist (though many are right open with the fact that they don't believe women belong in high offices) are still reducing her to her gender and using gender-based slams.
On topic, though, for that reason I think Clinton is more qualified to talk about women's rights in Afghanistan than a male politician, and though yeah, America has a long way to go, that doesn't mean stress shouldn't be put on other countries to strive for equality, too.
konjo4u at Jul. 09, 2012 - 04:30AM JST
The myth about Afghanistan being uncoquerable gets a lot of play. There were opposition powers to the Soviet attempt. When the British were there the Russian Empire had a similar competing interest.
Afghanistan was most recently conquered by the Taliban, from Pakistan. The vast majority of Afghans were subjected to outside rule through the puppet Taliban.
NATO really does not want another Kosovo. But NATO's largest obstical to getting any progress was the inexplicable resignation of George Bush to Taliban control and Pakistan protection of Usama bin-Laden.
Yubaru at Jul. 09, 2012 - 07:24AM JST
My dislike of Clinton goes back to the days when her husband was in office and she tried to take over the health care reform being discussed at the time. She came across to me as being overly-arrogant. Then she pulls the stunt of moving from her home state to New York, prior to the senate election, BECAUSE she knew that was the only place she could win. If she was skilled enough as a politician she could have won anywhere.
I would say the same things about a man as well if he did what she did. I still believe her goal is to become President, and that is one thing I wouldn't like to see at all.
There are better examples of women who should be talking about women's rights instead of Hillary Clinton.
Liberty Joe Lowe at Jul. 09, 2012 - 10:02AM JST
Clinton is right and means well trying her best for equal rights for women in afganistan
Its a cultural issue in Afganisan and the mass are fighting against women having equal rights.
Sadly I think she is farting against a cyclone.
I think when NATO leaves it will go back to the old ways
just-a-bigguy at Jul. 10, 2012 - 08:56AM JST
If the US/Nato troops didnt defeat the taliban how can her plea be respected? Totally nonsenses from Hillary!
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tmarie at Jul. 08, 2012 - 05:18PM JST
She's right but I have to say, I am not happy with this warlord being in Japan asking yet again for more money. Afghanistan has always been wild and uncontrollable. Stop sinking money into a corrupt government who plays poker with the public's lives.
Lowly at Jul. 08, 2012 - 05:52PM JST
poor hillary-
she has to be a spokesman for meaningless civilian-wrecking war like Vietnam. I guess she chose the job. time to get out.
Yubaru at Jul. 08, 2012 - 08:30PM JST
Poor Hillary? I hardly think so. She loves the spotlight and this just gives her another opportunity to stand in it.
The issue itself is difficult at best, women in most Islamic countries live as what seems to me like second class citizens and the US Sec Of State is hardly the person to be preaching about rights issues when the government she represents can not clean up it's own backyard.
Ronald F Stark at Jul. 08, 2012 - 09:03PM JST
Exactly! SHE, a woman, is the Secretary of State! The USA has allowed women to advance equally. We don't keep them illiterate and covered from head to toe like some stone-age societies. She has earned her position and this gives her the right so speak for the United States and work towards human rights, even in cesspools like Afghanistan.
Guza! at Jul. 08, 2012 - 09:17PM JST
I dont see negotiations going to well for afgan wemons rights, thats practically their culture zand they seem to be pretty stubborn about things like that
Yubaru at Jul. 08, 2012 - 09:27PM JST
I disagree that she "earned" anything. It it wasn't for her husband being the former President she would not be where she is today. She is a politician no more, no less. I don't like her being the mouth-piece of the US and it has nothing to do with whether or not she is a woman either. I don't like her for who she is and what she represents about America.
She is an arrogant prima donna.
I could argue about this endlessly, the US does not allow women to advance equally, the appearance may be that way but the reality is different. While the US is better than Afghanistan, by far no doubt, it still is hypocritical to have her preach about women's rights when she is just a man in disguise.
Aliasis at Jul. 09, 2012 - 12:14AM JST
I agree that the US still has a long way to go in women's equality - sure, on the surface, we have (mostly but not totally) equal rights. On the other hand, I think Clinton has fought long and hard for her position, and though I don't always agree with her - sometimes, passionately disagree, in fact - I admire her strength and generally do think she means well.
I get defensive of her mainly because 99% of the criticism against her uses sexist rhetoric, and in the end, many people who claim that they aren't sexist (though many are right open with the fact that they don't believe women belong in high offices) are still reducing her to her gender and using gender-based slams.
On topic, though, for that reason I think Clinton is more qualified to talk about women's rights in Afghanistan than a male politician, and though yeah, America has a long way to go, that doesn't mean stress shouldn't be put on other countries to strive for equality, too.
konjo4u at Jul. 09, 2012 - 04:30AM JST
The myth about Afghanistan being uncoquerable gets a lot of play. There were opposition powers to the Soviet attempt. When the British were there the Russian Empire had a similar competing interest.
Afghanistan was most recently conquered by the Taliban, from Pakistan. The vast majority of Afghans were subjected to outside rule through the puppet Taliban.
NATO really does not want another Kosovo. But NATO's largest obstical to getting any progress was the inexplicable resignation of George Bush to Taliban control and Pakistan protection of Usama bin-Laden.
Yubaru at Jul. 09, 2012 - 07:24AM JST
My dislike of Clinton goes back to the days when her husband was in office and she tried to take over the health care reform being discussed at the time. She came across to me as being overly-arrogant. Then she pulls the stunt of moving from her home state to New York, prior to the senate election, BECAUSE she knew that was the only place she could win. If she was skilled enough as a politician she could have won anywhere.
I would say the same things about a man as well if he did what she did. I still believe her goal is to become President, and that is one thing I wouldn't like to see at all.
There are better examples of women who should be talking about women's rights instead of Hillary Clinton.
Liberty Joe Lowe at Jul. 09, 2012 - 10:02AM JST
Clinton is right and means well trying her best for equal rights for women in afganistan
Its a cultural issue in Afganisan and the mass are fighting against women having equal rights.
Sadly I think she is farting against a cyclone.
I think when NATO leaves it will go back to the old ways
just-a-bigguy at Jul. 10, 2012 - 08:56AM JST
If the US/Nato troops didnt defeat the taliban how can her plea be respected? Totally nonsenses from Hillary!