Can't someone take this old fraud and put him out to pasture. Sick of this momma's boy and his antics.
Ronald F Stark at Jul. 21, 2012 - 07:22AM JST
As a former prime minister ...
felled by charges of incompetence and failure to keep a campaign promise
Those two phrases just about sum up Hatoyama's political career! Once a loser, always a loser!
CrazyJoe at Jul. 21, 2012 - 08:21AM JST
Can you "trust" him?
YuriOtani at Jul. 21, 2012 - 09:18AM JST
Makes you wonder who is paying the protestors?
Ash Warren at Jul. 21, 2012 - 09:21AM JST
oh please, Hatoyama? What has Japan's worst Prime Minister got to say? Other than trying to ingratiate himself with the crowds in the vain hope that he will not be tossed out at the next election?
tmarie at Jul. 21, 2012 - 10:13AM JST
Hahahaha!!! While part of me is glad he went out, I just have to laugh at the comments about voices not being heard. Does he think he was any different? Did the cops treat him better than the other protesters?? Any pictures of this?
Yuri, the people I know aren't getting paid. Though i am sure they'd be happy to take money for doing something they believe in.
iceshoecream at Jul. 21, 2012 - 10:25AM JST
Didn't this guy run with the tail between his legs? What is he still doing around?
YuriOtani at Jul. 21, 2012 - 11:08AM JST
tmarie, looks like they need jobs :p
bicultural at Jul. 21, 2012 - 11:37AM JST
Mr. Birdbrain doing anything he can to get attention. Too bad nobody takes him seriously.
presto345 at Jul. 21, 2012 - 02:44PM JST
Hatoyama, my man, you're a bit late in joining the action. A few decades late, I'd say.
ubikwit at Jul. 21, 2012 - 03:09PM JST
Looks like a strategy is unfolding, with Hatoyama soon to bolt after drawing as much attention to himself as a politician standing with the people against the establishment. A largely symbolic gesture, no doubt, but at least Hatoyama has appeared to be sincere in trying to accomplish his goals, even if they were somewhat unrealistic and he seemed a bit inept at moments.
After he bolts the DJP and launches another fledgling party later to merge with Ozawa's new fledgling party, and then they will make a party (with a real name!) large enough to be a force that may be capable of countering the LDP in the election.
Such a party would likely gain a number of defectors from the disintegrating DJP.
ares7 at Jul. 21, 2012 - 03:11PM JST
Hatoyama, the guy that pushed aside the US for closer relations with China. What planet is he really from? No nuclear power = expensive imports of oil, gas, and other hydrocarbons. Can Japan afford this? For the citizens that protest nuclear power, do they offer any real solutions? Alternative energy is not ready to support Japan's high demand for energy. As much as the debate rages these days on Japan's decline, it's amazing to see the people that gripe about it are actually the ones contributing to it.
USNinJapan2 at Jul. 21, 2012 - 04:41PM JST
...Yukio Hatoyama joined a boisterous anti-nuclear demonstration outside his old office and residence on Friday...
LOL. I don't think he was in office long enough to be able to have even claimed it as a permanent legal residence...
tmarie at Jul. 21, 2012 - 05:01PM JST
tmarie, looks like they need jobs :p
Um, you mean all those people that head out AFTER work to demand the government of a "democracy" listen to their opinion? You seem to spend a lot of time on here. Perhaps YOU are the one in need of a job?
BurakuminDes at Jul. 21, 2012 - 06:40PM JST
Makes you wonder who is paying the protestors?
Ridiculous comment - although from that right-wing extremist poster not surprised. So - all the thousands of mums and dads we are seeing on TV voicing their concerns (for the first time in Japanese history) about the future for their kids are "being paid"? Pull your head in and let the Japanese protest in a democratic way however they please without snide remarks.
kazetsukai at Jul. 21, 2012 - 09:27PM JST
First time that I have seen someone try to stop unnecessary snide remarks placed in these forums.
Thanks.., I thought I was the only one, concerned about such remarks being allowed here.
Opinions are fine, but personal epitaphs are not really productive or meaningful in any discussion.
Tom Webb at Jul. 21, 2012 - 11:12PM JST
What in the world is a former PM doing by taking part in a demo??? Must be doing the biddings of Ozawa 'cause I can't think of any reason a former PM, regardless of how much he opposes the current PM, takes part in a demo. It's Ozawa or a visit by the aliens in a UFO.
marcelito at Jul. 21, 2012 - 11:14PM JST
" who is paying the protesters"? What are you on about Yuri- do you say the same about anti base protesters in Okinawa? Why degrade people who are being vocal about a cause they strongly believe in?
Btw - I saw heaps of people dressed in in business outfits who joined the protests after they finished work on Friday- so you are way off with your comment.
hatsoff at Jul. 21, 2012 - 11:31PM JST
YuriOtani - a friend of mine goes out on these protests after a hard day's work, and spends her free time exercising her democratic rights when she could be, erm, what - shopping? going to the nail salon? singing in karaoke?
John Becker at Jul. 22, 2012 - 02:35AM JST
One more illustration of just how big a train wreck the DPJ has become. It takes some real talent to make LDP look like a better option.
Hikozaemon at Jul. 23, 2012 - 12:46PM JST
Hatoyama is just trying to get kicked out of the DPJ - Kan proposing an anti nuclear power bill on the weekend (ending nuclear power by 2025) will probably land him in some hot water too, given how pro-nuclear Noda is.
Still amazes me that Kan endorsed Noda to succeed him. Must be fun for the dissenters in the DPJ and defectors to be actually opposing LDP policies again.
kwbrow2 at Jul. 23, 2012 - 03:10PM JST
There are some points that I think are relevant. One, the anti nuclear demo is not making headlines in the Japanese papers. Maybe it will now. Two, hatoyama's presence may encourage others to participate. three, there are alternative power sources in Japan such as geothermal power that could be used instead of nuclear power. Four, Hatoyama's presence may be a political ploy but he could be sincere. I prefer to be an optimist.
basroil at Jul. 24, 2012 - 07:22PM JST
kwbrow2Jul. 23, 2012 - 03:10PM JST
there are alternative power sources in Japan such as geothermal power that could be used instead of nuclear power.
Yes, it's called coal and other fossil fuels, and they shot up from 60% of total energy production to 85% production. These protestors don't understand that every nuclear plant that goes down brings three or more coal plants up, and each one of those has the potential to kill as many people each year as fukushima ever will.
basroil at Jul. 24, 2012 - 07:33PM JST
Hatoyama presided over the idea to ramp up nuclear to 50% and now he flip-flops for political gain. He's just trying to make everyone forget when he ignored the people and canceled the Futenma relocation project.
Thomas Anderson at Jul. 24, 2012 - 08:11PM JST
Hatoyama presided over the idea to ramp up nuclear to 50% and now he flip-flops for political gain. He's just trying to make everyone forget when he ignored the people and canceled the Futenma relocation project.
Pretty much everyone flip-flopped because they all bought in the "safety myth".
ThonTaddeo at Jul. 24, 2012 - 09:40PM JST
@Yuri and Burakumin - The conspiracy theory in me wonders if TEPCO doesn't have a hand in gettting these protestors out onto the streets. Note that the protestors' main plank seems to be that nuclear power itself is more dangerous than other forms of power and needs to be stopped, despite the fact that other countries such as France, Switzerland, and Sweden have exemplary safety records and have seen their GDPs and air quality soar thanks to cheap and safe power. The difference is that their nuclear plants aren't run in a slipshod manner by corrupt amakudari who cover up safety problems and lie to stockholders.
TEPCO stands to benefit from overstating the inherent risks of nuclear power (which, it must be noted, are not negligible), because it absolves them from their malfeasance and lulls Taro Q. Average into thinking that the accident was somehow inevitable and that TEPCO is in fact a victim of overzealous media. And if TEPCO is in charge of producing energy from other sources, they've still got the all-important monopoly on provigind power to the public.
Protestors, don't blame nuclear power as a whole. Drop the "no nukes" slogan, which unfairly maligns power companies who can successfully navigate a dangerous industry, and put the blame for the Fukushima situation where it really belongs: squarely on TEPCO's shoulders.
basroil at Jul. 25, 2012 - 10:49AM JST
Thomas AndersonJul. 24, 2012 - 08:11PM JST
Pretty much everyone flip-flopped because they all bought in the "safety myth".
Hatoyama was an industrial engineer, he likely knew exactly what was going on without buying into anything. Rather, he probably fully understood the risks and believed the benefits far outweighed the risks. This is no doubt a political ploy with absolutely no basis in his own thoughts on the matter.
basroil at Jul. 25, 2012 - 10:54AM JST
ThonTaddeoJul. 24, 2012 - 09:40PM JST
put the blame for the Fukushima situation where it really belongs: squarely on TEPCO's shoulders.
And the government for ignoring safety, and all the citizens outside Noda's place for deliberate ignorance. TEPCO released publications on all upgrade work done at the plants (for financial statements), and IAEA always releases it's recommendations as well. If neither the government nor the people caught that TEPCO was dragging their feet, they need to accept their role in the problem. After all, ignorance is not an excuse.
That's not to say that TEPCO didn't screw up multiple times mind you, simply that the government and citizens also share responsibility in the failures.
Thomas Anderson at Jul. 25, 2012 - 11:56AM JST
basroil
Hatoyama was an industrial engineer, he likely knew exactly what was going on without buying into anything. Rather, he probably fully understood the risks and believed the benefits far outweighed the risks. This is no doubt a political ploy with absolutely no basis in his own thoughts on the matter.
Even many engineers and scientists believed in the "safety myth" or they didn't think that a severe accident would occur in an advanced nation. But they changed their minds after Fukushima. Perhaps Merkel is one of them.
basroil at Jul. 26, 2012 - 11:48AM JST
Thomas AndersonJul. 25, 2012 - 11:56AM JST
Even many engineers and scientists believed in the "safety myth" or they didn't think that a severe accident would occur in an advanced nation. But they changed their minds after Fukushima. Perhaps Merkel is one of them.
If there was any issues, it was with the seismologists and ocean experts. According to the specifications they were given (maximum quake, maximum water level, etc), there was no "safety myth". It was considered safe based on the information they had, and thus, if any information was ignored or not passed on, it was due to weighing benefits and risks (can't tell you how they weighted them though, could have been using meters and inches for all we know). The government has always had a duty to ensure safety, so if they want to attack anyone they better start with themselves.
Merkel has always been anti-nuclear, probably because she hated the fact Germany's electrical costs were several times that of nuclear heavy France.
Thomas Anderson at Jul. 26, 2012 - 12:27PM JST
Merkel has always been anti-nuclear, probably because she hated the fact Germany's electrical costs were several times that of nuclear heavy France.
Umm, I doubt that. She was pro-nuclear before Fukushima.
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takosrus at Jul. 21, 2012 - 07:11AM JST
Can't someone take this old fraud and put him out to pasture. Sick of this momma's boy and his antics.
Ronald F Stark at Jul. 21, 2012 - 07:22AM JST
Those two phrases just about sum up Hatoyama's political career! Once a loser, always a loser!
CrazyJoe at Jul. 21, 2012 - 08:21AM JST
Can you "trust" him?
YuriOtani at Jul. 21, 2012 - 09:18AM JST
Makes you wonder who is paying the protestors?
Ash Warren at Jul. 21, 2012 - 09:21AM JST
oh please, Hatoyama? What has Japan's worst Prime Minister got to say? Other than trying to ingratiate himself with the crowds in the vain hope that he will not be tossed out at the next election?
tmarie at Jul. 21, 2012 - 10:13AM JST
Hahahaha!!! While part of me is glad he went out, I just have to laugh at the comments about voices not being heard. Does he think he was any different? Did the cops treat him better than the other protesters?? Any pictures of this?
Yuri, the people I know aren't getting paid. Though i am sure they'd be happy to take money for doing something they believe in.
iceshoecream at Jul. 21, 2012 - 10:25AM JST
Didn't this guy run with the tail between his legs? What is he still doing around?
YuriOtani at Jul. 21, 2012 - 11:08AM JST
tmarie, looks like they need jobs :p
bicultural at Jul. 21, 2012 - 11:37AM JST
Mr. Birdbrain doing anything he can to get attention. Too bad nobody takes him seriously.
presto345 at Jul. 21, 2012 - 02:44PM JST
Hatoyama, my man, you're a bit late in joining the action. A few decades late, I'd say.
ubikwit at Jul. 21, 2012 - 03:09PM JST
Looks like a strategy is unfolding, with Hatoyama soon to bolt after drawing as much attention to himself as a politician standing with the people against the establishment. A largely symbolic gesture, no doubt, but at least Hatoyama has appeared to be sincere in trying to accomplish his goals, even if they were somewhat unrealistic and he seemed a bit inept at moments.
After he bolts the DJP and launches another fledgling party later to merge with Ozawa's new fledgling party, and then they will make a party (with a real name!) large enough to be a force that may be capable of countering the LDP in the election.
Such a party would likely gain a number of defectors from the disintegrating DJP.
ares7 at Jul. 21, 2012 - 03:11PM JST
Hatoyama, the guy that pushed aside the US for closer relations with China. What planet is he really from? No nuclear power = expensive imports of oil, gas, and other hydrocarbons. Can Japan afford this? For the citizens that protest nuclear power, do they offer any real solutions? Alternative energy is not ready to support Japan's high demand for energy. As much as the debate rages these days on Japan's decline, it's amazing to see the people that gripe about it are actually the ones contributing to it.
USNinJapan2 at Jul. 21, 2012 - 04:41PM JST
LOL. I don't think he was in office long enough to be able to have even claimed it as a permanent legal residence...
tmarie at Jul. 21, 2012 - 05:01PM JST
tmarie, looks like they need jobs :p
Um, you mean all those people that head out AFTER work to demand the government of a "democracy" listen to their opinion? You seem to spend a lot of time on here. Perhaps YOU are the one in need of a job?
BurakuminDes at Jul. 21, 2012 - 06:40PM JST
Ridiculous comment - although from that right-wing extremist poster not surprised. So - all the thousands of mums and dads we are seeing on TV voicing their concerns (for the first time in Japanese history) about the future for their kids are "being paid"? Pull your head in and let the Japanese protest in a democratic way however they please without snide remarks.
kazetsukai at Jul. 21, 2012 - 09:27PM JST
First time that I have seen someone try to stop unnecessary snide remarks placed in these forums.
Thanks.., I thought I was the only one, concerned about such remarks being allowed here.
Opinions are fine, but personal epitaphs are not really productive or meaningful in any discussion.
Tom Webb at Jul. 21, 2012 - 11:12PM JST
What in the world is a former PM doing by taking part in a demo??? Must be doing the biddings of Ozawa 'cause I can't think of any reason a former PM, regardless of how much he opposes the current PM, takes part in a demo. It's Ozawa or a visit by the aliens in a UFO.
marcelito at Jul. 21, 2012 - 11:14PM JST
" who is paying the protesters"? What are you on about Yuri- do you say the same about anti base protesters in Okinawa? Why degrade people who are being vocal about a cause they strongly believe in? Btw - I saw heaps of people dressed in in business outfits who joined the protests after they finished work on Friday- so you are way off with your comment.
hatsoff at Jul. 21, 2012 - 11:31PM JST
YuriOtani - a friend of mine goes out on these protests after a hard day's work, and spends her free time exercising her democratic rights when she could be, erm, what - shopping? going to the nail salon? singing in karaoke?
John Becker at Jul. 22, 2012 - 02:35AM JST
One more illustration of just how big a train wreck the DPJ has become. It takes some real talent to make LDP look like a better option.
Hikozaemon at Jul. 23, 2012 - 12:46PM JST
Hatoyama is just trying to get kicked out of the DPJ - Kan proposing an anti nuclear power bill on the weekend (ending nuclear power by 2025) will probably land him in some hot water too, given how pro-nuclear Noda is.
Still amazes me that Kan endorsed Noda to succeed him. Must be fun for the dissenters in the DPJ and defectors to be actually opposing LDP policies again.
kwbrow2 at Jul. 23, 2012 - 03:10PM JST
There are some points that I think are relevant. One, the anti nuclear demo is not making headlines in the Japanese papers. Maybe it will now. Two, hatoyama's presence may encourage others to participate. three, there are alternative power sources in Japan such as geothermal power that could be used instead of nuclear power. Four, Hatoyama's presence may be a political ploy but he could be sincere. I prefer to be an optimist.
basroil at Jul. 24, 2012 - 07:22PM JST
kwbrow2Jul. 23, 2012 - 03:10PM JST
Yes, it's called coal and other fossil fuels, and they shot up from 60% of total energy production to 85% production. These protestors don't understand that every nuclear plant that goes down brings three or more coal plants up, and each one of those has the potential to kill as many people each year as fukushima ever will.
basroil at Jul. 24, 2012 - 07:33PM JST
Hatoyama presided over the idea to ramp up nuclear to 50% and now he flip-flops for political gain. He's just trying to make everyone forget when he ignored the people and canceled the Futenma relocation project.
Thomas Anderson at Jul. 24, 2012 - 08:11PM JST
Pretty much everyone flip-flopped because they all bought in the "safety myth".
ThonTaddeo at Jul. 24, 2012 - 09:40PM JST
@Yuri and Burakumin - The conspiracy theory in me wonders if TEPCO doesn't have a hand in gettting these protestors out onto the streets. Note that the protestors' main plank seems to be that nuclear power itself is more dangerous than other forms of power and needs to be stopped, despite the fact that other countries such as France, Switzerland, and Sweden have exemplary safety records and have seen their GDPs and air quality soar thanks to cheap and safe power. The difference is that their nuclear plants aren't run in a slipshod manner by corrupt amakudari who cover up safety problems and lie to stockholders.
TEPCO stands to benefit from overstating the inherent risks of nuclear power (which, it must be noted, are not negligible), because it absolves them from their malfeasance and lulls Taro Q. Average into thinking that the accident was somehow inevitable and that TEPCO is in fact a victim of overzealous media. And if TEPCO is in charge of producing energy from other sources, they've still got the all-important monopoly on provigind power to the public.
Protestors, don't blame nuclear power as a whole. Drop the "no nukes" slogan, which unfairly maligns power companies who can successfully navigate a dangerous industry, and put the blame for the Fukushima situation where it really belongs: squarely on TEPCO's shoulders.
basroil at Jul. 25, 2012 - 10:49AM JST
Thomas AndersonJul. 24, 2012 - 08:11PM JST
Hatoyama was an industrial engineer, he likely knew exactly what was going on without buying into anything. Rather, he probably fully understood the risks and believed the benefits far outweighed the risks. This is no doubt a political ploy with absolutely no basis in his own thoughts on the matter.
basroil at Jul. 25, 2012 - 10:54AM JST
ThonTaddeoJul. 24, 2012 - 09:40PM JST
And the government for ignoring safety, and all the citizens outside Noda's place for deliberate ignorance. TEPCO released publications on all upgrade work done at the plants (for financial statements), and IAEA always releases it's recommendations as well. If neither the government nor the people caught that TEPCO was dragging their feet, they need to accept their role in the problem. After all, ignorance is not an excuse.
That's not to say that TEPCO didn't screw up multiple times mind you, simply that the government and citizens also share responsibility in the failures.
Thomas Anderson at Jul. 25, 2012 - 11:56AM JST
basroil
Even many engineers and scientists believed in the "safety myth" or they didn't think that a severe accident would occur in an advanced nation. But they changed their minds after Fukushima. Perhaps Merkel is one of them.
basroil at Jul. 26, 2012 - 11:48AM JST
Thomas AndersonJul. 25, 2012 - 11:56AM JST
If there was any issues, it was with the seismologists and ocean experts. According to the specifications they were given (maximum quake, maximum water level, etc), there was no "safety myth". It was considered safe based on the information they had, and thus, if any information was ignored or not passed on, it was due to weighing benefits and risks (can't tell you how they weighted them though, could have been using meters and inches for all we know). The government has always had a duty to ensure safety, so if they want to attack anyone they better start with themselves.
Merkel has always been anti-nuclear, probably because she hated the fact Germany's electrical costs were several times that of nuclear heavy France.
Thomas Anderson at Jul. 26, 2012 - 12:27PM JST
Umm, I doubt that. She was pro-nuclear before Fukushima.