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More girls turning to sugar daddies to wine and dine them

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By Jamie Koide, RocketNews24

While the concept of having a sugar daddy, or "papakatsu," probably isn’t new to anyone in the Western world, right now in Japan, girls hoping to capitalize on their good looks and companionship are flocking to find middle-aged men who are open to becoming their mentors — as long as they have a steady bank account, that is.

From an outsider’s view, "papakatsu" doesn’t seem all that different from "enjo-kosai," or compensated dating, where girls (particularly those who are high school-aged) seek out and/or are approached by older men who are more than happy to give them money and gifts for a little bit of their time, or possibly more. But those who currently have a sugar daddy say the concept is completely separate because they aren’t centered around physical desire or love. That is to say, unlike the Western concept of a sugar daddy, these sugar daddies aren’t getting any sugar, and the relationship is closer to one of a hostess and her client.

“It’s the same as getting presents from friends,” one site in support of "papakatsu" says. Admittedly though, this still seems fishy, as I don’t really know anyone who considers showering someone with expensive meals, money, and gifts, just for the privilege of their company, to be a real friendship. I’d be hard pressed to say that regularly expecting a friend, let alone a middle-aged man, to wine and dine you is completely innocent and normal, especially in light of comments made by some of the women involved like the following.

“This sucks! I got cheated by my ‘daddy’. It was our second time out, and even though we’d agreed that he’d pay me 20,000 yen for two hours of my time over dinner, while we were eating he got up and excused himself to the bathroom, and then left and went home, so I was stuck with the 30,000 yen bill. (; ;) I went to the police, but they told me that because it was a personal dispute, I wouldn’t be able to file a report. I’m so disappointed.” [Original text available here.]

I guess the “daddy” part of “sugar daddy” isn’t supposed to cover teaching your “daughter” a lesson about depending on rich strangers to pay your way. Additionally, most people don’t usually turn to the police when their family members/friends leave without offering presents, or when they take a break from footing the bill for once. As you can see, this kind of rationale goes against goes the “it’s the same as getting a present from a friend” argument.

Understandably the concept has been met with a lot of scrutiny, criticism, and backlash, with some sugar babies, like Ms Yuyuna here, feeling the need to speak out on the matter.

“People against having sugar daddies just don’t have the courage to get one themselves, or they’re not pretty enough to make much if they did so they’re just jealous of cute girls that are investing in themselves. What’s so wrong about having a sugar daddy? We’re just fulfilling a demand and it’s not any of your business.” [Original text available here.]

While it’s true that in essence that it’s a transaction that only concerns the two people involved, the problem is that should the transaction turn sour, like the previous situation above, parties tend to seek out involvement from others. That’s completely ignoring how, like compensated dating and prostitution, agreeing to privately meet strangers can pose a real safety threat. As for just being jealous, I think it’s safe to say that most people would rather spend time with people they enjoy hanging out with over people they share no real connection with. It also begs the question that if sugar daddy relationships indeed have no physical element to them, why would it matter what the girl looks like?

But beyond all that, why are more and more women searching for sugar daddies to supplement their incomes all of a sudden? Well, if you’ll remember from the previous explanation of "papakatsu," receiving money from a sugar daddy supposedly isn’t that far off from the premise of working for a hostess or cabaret work, where women converse and/or pamper men for a set hourly rate.

One theory is that because of the new My Number system (a social security number-like system) that was recently rolled out in Japan, it’s now harder for women to work at hostess clubs and other negatively viewed "mizu shobai," or nighttime services, without being recognized by the government or any other companies they may be working for.

Before My Number, a number of personal records (even those computerized), were not linked to a nation-wide database. This allowed people, especially women, to find alternative sources of income that they could easily get away with not declaring or paying taxes on. If a hostess or "mizu shobai" worker were keen on keeping her extra job or income a secret, it only makes sense that she would turn to keeping things under the table by managing her own sugar daddy clientele.

Alternatively, since many hostesses and "mizu shobai" workers already engage in compensated dating (often forbidden by their employers, but a necessity to keep clients interested and paying more to reserve them by name, and therefore boost their popularity ranking), it makes sense that some women might be eager to go ahead spare themselves the competition by cutting out the middleman and meeting these clients one-on-one.

Third, with a decrease in employment opportunities, salary earnings, and benefits at regular companies, especially for women, it’s possible that for some, finding one or more sugar daddies to support them is an easier option, and more reasonable than working long hours for little pay and little chance of promotion at a normal job.

Whatever the reason, though, it seems like the sugar daddy trend doesn’t appear to be going away any time soon, and will likely to continue to lure more women in who are looking to be wined and dined on someone else’s tab, and aren’t exactly picky about who.

Source: Hachima Kisoku, Papakatsu.com

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while we were eating he got up and excused himself to the bathroom, and then left and went home, so I was stuck with the 30,000 yen bill. (

Best thing I've ever read on JT.

51 ( +53 / -2 )

Such writing! "It's a trend! It's growing! We won't give you a shred of evidence to back up that claim, but trust us!"

19 ( +24 / -5 )

Just another form of enjokosai....

Such writing! "It's a trend! It's growing! We won't give you a shred of evidence to back up that claim, but trust us!"

Lol....sad part is that there are people around the world that may stumble upon this article and repeat it as fact. While many people may believe that because of the internet the people of the world are getting "smarter" or more aware of their surroundings, which is basically a good thing overall, crap written like this just further mucks up the reality.

Education systems around the world can not keep pace with teaching students and adults how to sift through the chaff to find the kernel of truth that stories like this are based upon, and teach them how to throw the rest away.

4 ( +4 / -0 )

it's hard to condemn this kind of thing given the poor treatment women receive in japanese companies... countless cases of high-skilled women being relegated to serving tea to oyajis.

0 ( +7 / -7 )

while we were eating he got up and excused himself to the bathroom, and then left and went home, so I was stuck with the 30,000 yen bill.

She should feel lucky that the person didn't do anything more serious to her. That should be a good lesson for her to wake up and figure out that there are other ways of getting things, and selling yourself to a high bidder is probably not the best way.

I sort of ran into the phenomena back when I was single and on a various online dating sites. It would seem that there was one lady who wanted to meet, but for the first meeting would want to choose a very expensive venue like Blue Note Tokyo to do an initial meeting, so we could have dinner and catch a concert, all on my dime. Didn't fall for it. Talking with friends who also had received responses from this same "profile" they too got the "let's meet an expensive place X to get to know each other" so I guess she was trying to get as much out of the site as possible.

People against having sugar daddies just don’t have the courage to get one themselves, or they’re not pretty enough to make much if they did so they’re just jealous of cute girls that are investing in themselves.

The person I related in the story above, wasn't that cute or young, but that is something that whomever made that quote needs to understand, beauty and youth fades. And like it or not, it is easier for an older somewhat not attractive man to have a date than a woman who has wasted her time chasing after the cash and when youth leaves her she is left alone. There will always be someone younger and prettier coming along.

10 ( +15 / -5 )

One theory is that because of the new My Number system (a social security number-like system) that was recently rolled out in Japan, it’s now harder for women to work at hostess clubs and other negatively viewed “mizu shobai,” or nighttime services, without being recognized by the government or any other companies they may be working for.

In my previous reply here I made a comment about "sifting through the chaff to find the kernel of truth"....

This article is a clever disguise to attempt to shed light on the problems that are coming about with the "my number" system and in this case, women who may be moonlighting to make extra cash in businesses or a line of work that their daytime employer would most likely frown upon, or worse.

This is only going to increase and more problems are going to come about because many of the people who work daytime jobs and NEED the nighttime extra income to survive, will be forced to take on work like this to make ends meet.

3 ( +7 / -4 )

This sucks! I got cheated by my ‘daddy’. It was our second time out, and even though we’d agreed that he’d pay me 20,000 yen for two hours of my time over dinner, while we were eating he got up and excused himself to the bathroom, and then left and went home, so I was stuck with the 30,000 yen bill. (; ;) I went to the police, but they told me that because it was a personal dispute, I wouldn’t be able to file a report. I’m so disappointed.”

Good for the sugar daddy. A few more of these incidents and this disgusting practice will come to an end.

4 ( +10 / -6 )

yepp, I personally know girls with daddies and 99.9% of those girls are badly messed in the head or and no it is not innocent and daddies do expect sexual services in most occasions ( it is just a taboo to talk about, since its basically prostitution) that said most of these guys are old money or boss types that enjoy this kind of relationship...

14 ( +17 / -3 )

This is all nothing new. It has existed almost everywhere, and will probably continue to exist. Young women want money and comfort, older men can offer it. In exchange, these women offer what they have, which is youth and beauty. A few of the smarter women will use the system to get a head start in life. The vast majority, as Alphaape said above, will simply rely on it until they are replaced by someone younger or prettier. Then they will be left with no skills, no money, and expensive tastes that they can no longer afford.

The new part of this is emergence of a black market economy to get around the mynumber system. This is what happens when governments get to aggressive in taxes, regulation and corruption. The black market thrives and the real economy moves off the grid.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

She should feel lucky that the person didn't do anything more serious to her. That should be a good lesson for her to wake up and figure out that there are other ways of getting things, and selling yourself to a high bidder is probably not the best way.

I agree with Aplphaape. I've heard of many so called "dates" where the woman was ordering the most expensive things on the menu all in the assumption that the guy will pay for all of it. Back when I was single I had a few of these"dates" where the girl was clearly just looking for a total meal ticket. I didn't get burned too badly but I remember reading someone's advice of, "when at a restaurant, cafe or wherever, always keep your phone, wallet etc on your person. That way if it becomes clear that your date is just out for free drinks and dinner, excuse yourself to the bathroom and don't return." Pretty good advice, I think. Sure, some women may be low paid, but expecting something for nothing is hardly an attractive trait. I think the girl who had to pay the 30,000 yen bill got off lightly.

9 ( +12 / -3 )

They are called street friends in China and Prostitutes everywhere else

17 ( +18 / -1 )

GIRLS hoping to CAPITALIZE on their good looks and companionship are FLOCKING to find middle-aged men who are open to becoming their MENTORS

More victim-blaming. Shame on Japan!!

"They are called street friends in China and 'prostitutes' everywhere else"

Yes.

4 ( +10 / -6 )

What’s so wrong about having a sugar daddy? nothing wrong in my opinion, but if you dont have any worries then having this job on the record and paying taxes on the income shouldn't be a worry also. Doesnt matter if its gifts, free apartment, jewellery, cash etc, your providing a service and getting compensated in return, that legally is taxable.

-5 ( +4 / -9 )

This is just old wine in new bottles. Re-branding, if you will. Very little changes wrt gender relations in Japan.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

They should also do a story on the men who look for sugar mommas. There are a lot of middle aged and elderly women who are sitting on wads of cash, and look for some young men to spend it on. I recall back in the 90's (before the internet took off) that there was such a place in Tokyo/Yokohama where Navy guys would go and "work" as basically hosts in the club in order to get picked up by such women and have gifts showered on them. So much so guys didn't have to spend their regular paychecks. But as soon as the economy slowed by the mid 90's as well as over zealous clamp down on that type of behavior it stopped.

But there are still some guys that are on the look out for these types of women, and I have known a few who don't mind being shacked up with a woman that is either much older than they are, or maybe not so "hot" looking but they are getting paid for it. To each their own I say.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

Moral drum-beating, lying embellishments and general fear mongering just like that Victorian cow Josephine Butler gave us. Jealousy is a big issue here. Yeah, there are some scumbags not worthy of a benign title like "sugar daddy" but then any teen girl could die in a violent car crash and they so often do. But you notice we don't hear stories of how 17 year old Naomi got innocently into a car and wound up a pizza on the pavement as a scheme to end teens riding in motor vehicles? Moral drum-beating, lying embellishments and general fear mongering, largely spurred by jealousy. Some people just need to learn to shut up and life their own lives and stop meddling in others just because their own misery wants company.

-12 ( +1 / -13 )

For the sake of equality we need sugar mummies too.

7 ( +11 / -4 )

while we were eating he got up and excused himself to the bathroom, and then left and went home, so I was stuck with the 30,000 yen bill. (

Best thing I've ever read on JT.

Ouch!

5 ( +9 / -4 )

serves you right to have a fast one pulled on you. Sorry, no sympathy in this case.

I have sympathy. Society has attached punishing laws and stigma to this and many normal human activities. And the result is that people have no guide on how to go about things or work out arrangements. The girl may have gone overboard ordering for not having any sense of where the boundaries were, and the guy may have skipped out realizing he did not have the cash to foot the bill she was racking up. There may have been zero intent from either party to screw the other over, but the meddling off the goody-two-shoes of the world likely has them the both pointing fingers at each other. But oh no! Its the meddlers of the world where the blame so often belongs. So many problems in the world could be solved through regulation and guidance, acceptance and tolerance. We are seeing this with marijuana. We should also see this with prostitution and sugar-daddies.

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

So many problems in the world could be solved through regulation and guidance, China system is bascially this yet they seem to have plenty on internal problems.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Old and ugly females hate practices like these, particularly if they let their youth go to waste and did not do these things when they had the chance. Jealousy is such an ugly emotion, and we should strive to erase it from society.

-9 ( +4 / -13 )

Old and ugly females hate practices like these, particularly if they let their youth go to waste and did not do these things when they had the chance. Jealousy is such an ugly emotion, and we should strive to erase it from society.

Are you serious? You think it's okay for young women to basically prostitute themselves? You really think the women who are against do so because they are, as you put it so kindly, 'old and ugly females'... un-effing-believable.

I hope you were being sarcastic?

0 ( +7 / -7 )

You think it's okay for young women to basically prostitute themselves?

If they are adults, yes. Their bodies, their decisions.

4 ( +10 / -7 )

First of all, sugar dating has nothing to do with prostitution. It is true that there is a very thin line between - a grey zone - but it is not prostitution. And even if it would be - it is still the world s oldest profession. I guess everyone has the right to decide for themselves and wto do whatever they feel like to do. Just because some of you consider sugar dating wrong, that doesn't mean it is wrong. It might be wrong for you. Maybe it might seem wrong for me something that you do.

I am pretty satisfied having a sugar daddy. I met him on SugarDaters, and to be honest, I would not imagine my life without a sugar daddy. Not just because he provides me with money. But because he is also a source of knowledge and I get to spend time with sophisticated, educated, rich people. It is a totally different world.

-14 ( +5 / -20 )

Women seeking sugar daddies are prostitutes, plain and simple.

5 ( +10 / -4 )

Women seeking sugar daddies are prostitutes, plain and simple.

Nope. If there is no sex, it's not prostitution.

And even if there is sex, and it is prostitution, so what?

-3 ( +9 / -12 )

The title of the article is a bait and switch. Where is the data, the discussion, or stats backing up the headlines claims of "increasing numbers"?

3 ( +3 / -0 )

Wish my wife would find a sugar daddy. I wonder if there are sugar mammas?

1 ( +2 / -1 )

The most interesting point in the article was that the My Number system is posed as a direct or indirect cause of the sugar-daddy-seeking practice. Some commentators noted this.

Trends in Japan tend to happen from below. Could this be the tip of some more extensive readjustment in the culture and market than just an increase in old-fashioned sugar-daddying?

0 ( +1 / -1 )

"while we were eating he got up and excused himself to the bathroom, and then left and went home, so I was stuck with the 30,000 yen bill."

I've seen too many men turn into sweating, slavering wrecks when a pretty girl is around.

My faith in the male of the species has just been restored. Jolly good show, sir. A credit to the gender.

4 ( +8 / -4 )

If these women are prostitutes, then so are half the women you read about on the social pages, or in celebrity gossip magazines. Some women have built great wealth and careers by marrying older and wealthier men. Are they prostitutes as well? What about the woman who chooses a husband with a good salary over a slightly better guy with no money? Is she a prostitute?

And, frankly, the guy that insists on calling these women prostitutes is reflecting a certain kind of hatred toward women. The kind of guys who sneak off to Bangkok or Manila and treat some poor working girl like dirt. As Strangerland said, if they are prostitutes... then so what? Can the persons casting stones here stand in front of the mirror and truly say that they have never sinned?

Some Westerners are just warped beyond words about this stuff.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

...he got up and excused himself to the bathroom, and then left and went home, so I was stuck with the 30,000 yen bill.

Perhaps he saw himself as more of an "nutrasweet daddy".

3 ( +3 / -0 )

hmm, nope , the type of women that flock to these relationships and the instability it does to them is beyond weird... these are not marry a rich husband type things mostly., dont be mistaken

0 ( +1 / -1 )

This is a win-win situation. Girls who don't mind doing it for money plus dirty old men who wouldn't normally get anything if it weren't for their money. Win-Win!

0 ( +2 / -2 )

If these women are prostitutes, then so are half the women you read about on the social pages, or in celebrity gossip magazines. Some women have built great wealth and careers by marrying older and wealthier men. Are they prostitutes as well? What about the woman who chooses a husband with a good salary over a slightly better guy with no money? Is she a prostitute?

And, frankly, the guy that insists on calling these women prostitutes is reflecting a certain kind of hatred toward women. The kind of guys who sneak off to Bangkok or Manila and treat some poor working girl like dirt. As Strangerland said, if they are prostitutes... then so what? Can the persons casting stones here stand in front of the mirror and truly say that they have never sinned?

Some Westerners are just warped beyond words about this stuff.

Well said.

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

"Some Westerners are just warped beyond words about this stuff"

What we don't like is watching some DIRTY OLD MAN approach a young school girl outside the train station while she is waiting for a lift home after school. I watched as she had to politely say "no" to him and watched as he walked off and she waited a few more minutes for her lift to arrive.

This young girl should not have to live her life every day with DIRTY OLD MEN thinking that she is a PROSTITUTE.

And that is what is warped beyond words!!!

0 ( +4 / -4 )

What we don't like is watching some DIRTY OLD MAN approach a young school girl outside the train station while she is waiting for a lift home after school. I watched as she had to politely say "no" to him and watched as he walked off and she waited a few more minutes for her lift to arrive.

This young girl should not have to live her life every day with DIRTY OLD MEN thinking that she is a PROSTITUTE.

Which has nothing to do with this article.

5 ( +7 / -3 )

I guess the “daddy” part of “sugar daddy” isn’t supposed to cover teaching your “daughter” a lesson about depending on rich strangers to pay your way. - article

There seems more criticism of young ladies seeking 'daddy pay for me' relationships. Few have pointed out that men seeking these young ladies aren't just lonely 'out of towners'.

Some attention should be paid to the psychological needs men are satisfying in buying the attention of young ladies. If these young women can be called prostitutes by some here, what are the men paying for their company called? "Johns"?

1 ( +3 / -2 )

Its kind of very sad to read this article. One of the many side effects of recession, sugar daddy culture.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

Actually I respect prostitutes than Gold diggers, atleast prostitutes will give their clients the sexual satisfaction in few thousands of yen, they help men release their sexual stress and loneliness rather than roaming around with their heads full of stress ready to explode out in public, whereas gold diggers, they will milk and abuse their "sugar daddies" weakness and never give him back in return, they are fungus in louie vitton and perm curly hairstyles. When karma hits these women I don't pity them, I would even mind to stand in front of them point at their faces and laugh at them. I whish there is a demand for that kind of work, It would be a good part time job.

4 ( +6 / -2 )

That is to say, unlike the Western concept of a sugar daddy, these sugar daddies aren’t getting any sugar, and the relationship is closer to one of a hostess and her client.

So it is an artificial sugar daddy? Kind of an Aspartame Daddy?

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Its kind of very sad to read this article.

Me too. What happened to guys and gals who date within their own age brackets? Or the ones who just naturally hook-up because they like each other? No gimmicks.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

What happened to guys and gals who date within their own age brackets? Or the ones who just naturally hook-up because they like each other?

Nothing happened to them - they are still by and far the majority of people out there.

1 ( +4 / -4 )

Nothing happened to them - they are still by and far the majority of people out there.

That's good to know. Now I wish only that sum of my Japanese friends would quit bugging me to "introduce them" to someone (woman).

It's really not that hard. Don't let things like pride and culture get in their way, lest you resort to "paying" for the company of a gal. Pathetic, in my opinion!!

1 ( +2 / -1 )

it's hard to condemn this kind of thing given the poor treatment women receive in japanese companies... countless cases of high-skilled women being relegated to serving tea to oyajis.

How does that explain the popularity of sugar daddy finding sites in the US and the UK, countries presumably more enlightened than Japan? For example,

http://www.sugardaddysite.org/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/35521859/a-quarter-of-a-million-uk-students-now-using-sugar-daddies-according-to-app (Almost certainly exaggerated.)

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

The issue I have is with girls/gold diggers who prey on vulnerable, insecure and depressed men which is, imo, the vast majority.

I doubt that these girls make it clear from the start that nothing will EVER happen between them and/or that he being rich is the only thing that makes him attractive. Taking advantage of the vulnerable, gullible etc will never be "just another way to make money" in my book. I have much more respect for prossies.

4 ( +4 / -0 )

Too many times lickin' da Surgar Daddy! What a sticky situation. A fool and HER money are soon parted.

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

I doubt that these girls make it clear from the start that nothing will EVER happen between them and/or that he being rich is the only thing that makes him attractive.

I agree, but it is reasonable to say some of these are scoring. Money talks.

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

Women seeking sugar daddies are prostitutes, plain and simple. agreed, but hey prostitution is one of the oldest jobs known to man, men and women have needs and if they cant get a gf, wife partner etc then a prostitute is the next best thing. Doesn't matter if you approve or not. As long as humans have the need there will always be a market for sex, even if we got hit by a comet and wiped out 90% of the worlds population taking us back to the stone age there will still be prostitution. The job that just keeps on giving.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

This is great for us who have good jobs and are married to maguro.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Some Westerners are just warped beyond words about this stuff.

And, some non-Westerners.

Perhaps he saw himself as more of an "nutrasweet daddy"

Nice one!

0 ( +0 / -0 )

This has literally been happening for hundreds of years. Thanks JT for stating the obvious.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

This wouldn't be nearly such a problem if part time workers and women were properly paid as opposed to exploited for a demeaning and ridiculously small minimum wage thanks to an increasingly neoliberal government deliberately shifting income from poor to rich. When you get such an imbalance, it's only natural that exploitation increases. As the government doesn't even properly cover school fees and expenses for high school students and university students, this further adds to the pressure. I'm not saying some don't do it for luxury items, of course they do, but that's of less concern, we need to worry about people feeling they are forced to do this kind of thing. And being forced to do it is not something people are likely to own up to publicly.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

nfijapan

I disagree,gold digging is not even a profession, it's very gray what these women are offering to men, at least with prostitution it's clear what kind of service their clients is gonna get, there is a price and there are rules and limitations. But with gold diggers especially the independent ones, they always give their sugar daddies that expectation that someday they can be more than companions, and that is more dangerous as these men are investing their emotions to these women. It's too hypocrite to say that these men only want a companion during dinners, NO! I think gold diggers are like scammers, they will just get your money , make your expectations high and in the end you will get nothing. They wasted your time, emotion, energy and money , Prostitutes however provides a real service.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

some broken logic to suggest looks wouldn't matter...if sexual favors are absent...what is the expression? beggars' banquet? no such thing as a free lunch ( god bless the Sikh canteen, though). Everyone wants to be loved/liked. so a girl who is constantly told she is ravishing might eventually give a bit of sweet smiles and flirtatious thrills to an old lonely man. Only the best of them will pull it off for weeks on end without ever having to offer more than an arm and a cheek....(oh,man i'm so good! thanks for reading.)

0 ( +0 / -0 )

I once went to dinner with a girl I met online. During the meal she kept asking me if it was ok to order more food or another drink. I got the message. When it was time to pay, she slyly went and waited outside. So I treated her like a prostitute and asked if she wanted to go to my place. I was just trying my luck. She agreed to and we went back to mine for a roll in the hay. I woke up a few hours later to find her fully dressed going through my bag. Luckily I'm wise to skeezers and my wallet was safely hidden.

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