Back to 1930s nationalism? Historians battle over comparison

History does not repeat; historical patterns recur. A bit like economics in that way.

But euphemistically, can history repeat? In the euphemistic sense, yes of course. How do I know? Because from different views, it already is. Like, well, if it were not Trump, sooner or later it would be somebody else; or if it were not Germany, it would be some other place. Further, as soon as someone says something like, 'It is just like in the 1930s'. Just an historical comparison but then the next thing someone may well say is 'History repeating itself!'.

But it is never a fact, just a perspective.

Well this is easy to debunk. The, nationalism of the, 1930s was an effect of e treme socialist progressive ideology in america it was under tbe total control if democrats who hD unapposed, filibuster proof no one coukd stop them control. Tbat us,why atrocities like,rounding up japanese,americans in the,1940s happened. Today, the democrats are not in powerand their socialism on hild. Since,republicans never did atrocities like,democrats did, dont follow socialism and have some,respect for individualism, natiobalism luje tge,1930s,democrats, wont hapoen. Also back then it,was all about central government oppressing and dividing. Today, what is called nationalism, isnt really. It is just americans rejecting the left wing and the,democrats last decade if misery. Resroring some individual freedom and brraking the power if the political elite isnt nationalism, it is what a people should do when the politucal class is out if control.

What a ridiculous piece of alarmism. No wonder nobody put their name to this garbage.

The only comment to make much sense is this:

Antony Beevor, another best-selling heavyweight on European history, rebuked him. “It is too easy for alarmists to fall for the temptation of lazy historical parallels,” he wrote.

The article takes the lazy route of blaming Trump and right-wing nationalists when the focus should be on globalization and its enabling doctrine of globalism - the erosion of individual and national sovereignty and its replacement with crony capitalism/corporate socialism (I find it hard to drawn the line between them) without accountability. Trump's victory is just a symptom of people getting fed up with the corruption of business as usual, jobs disappearing offshore, rising costs of living, immigration of poor people from lands with vastly different cultures.

And it completely ignores violence and crybaby antics from leftists who can't handle the fact that their side lost, nor does it address the role of finance from George Soros' foundation in spreading this unrest.

Of course AP is part of the mainstream media, the same mob who failed to foresee Clintons's defeat, and an integral part of the Establishment. So there are no prizes for guessing why this "article" has failed to shine a light on the main source of the problem or offer any solutions.

Interestingly, Japans tourism industry is going through the roof and its a nationalistic country run a by a nationalistic leader and government. I guess people just don`t give that much of a hoot.

I have started reading Mein Kampf, to see if I can learn anything. The similarities between the German demagogue and the would be American demagogue are frightening. May God have mercy on us.

The similarities between the German demagogue and the would be American demagogue are frightening.

Yeah, thank god Hillary and her warmongering ways lost the election. Some have speculated that on the day of her innuguration she would have signed off on the no fly zone in Syria which would have definitely sparked a conflict with Russia. WWIII averted thanks to the "deplorables" who didn't buy into warmongering and lies.

The German election of 1932 was won in the second round (April 10) by incumbent Hindenburg (84 years old) (Independent) with 53%, Hitler (NSDAP) was the runner-up with 36.8% and third Thaelmann (KPD) 10.2%. Hindenberg had failed by 0.5% to win in the first round. Hindenburg was persuaded to appointed Hitler Chancellor on January 30, 1933. When Hindenberg died August 2 1934 Hitler became head of state too. If you want to know the complicated details and explanations and have the time then they are available.

Yes, history repeats.And every time it does, some journalist writes about it as if they are the first to notice it. All people die, and when they do, the patterns are pretty similar. All societies collapse, and when they, they follow certain patterns.

We are in the midst of a "Fourth Turning."

They happen about eighty years, and they always include huge wars and kill tons of people. Last one was WW II. One before that was the Civil War. One before that was the Revolution. All the way back to the War of the Roses.

History repeats, it flows in circles. Welcome to the collapse. Next 10-15 years are going to be chaotic. Too much debt, too many weapons, too much hate, too much blame.

Not going to end well.

If the US and UK economies continue to improve with a rise in living standards, and major crises like Syria wind down, these millions of critics are going to end up looking pretty stupid.

Back to 1930s nationalism?

For some in Japan, like Aso Taro, it has never gone away:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/02/world/asia/japan-politician-nazi-comment/index.html

Alfie and Klaus are dead right on this one. 100%. Nationalism is on the rise and its everywhere. We got some dark days ahead of us people.

I think that the article mistakes one hand for the other. It is not nationalism which is an issue, but anti nationalist totalitarianism. For the past two-and-a-half decades America's political systems have preached that we need to be more and more tolerant, that we need to think, behave, and do things in a more politically-correct way. The entire system has moved from a state of individuals with individual ideas, beliefs, and practices, and this individualism has been replaced with a collective idealism, where the overall good of the collective overrides the good of the individual. Religion has become increasingly spurned, cultural beliefs held by generations of people (good and bad) have come under assault, and the national identity is slowly dissolving. During this process, the people have become worse off, and over the past two decades America has seen the first net economic decline during it's entire history. Despite running on a platform of equality for all, in places where equality matters most, economically, the gap has greatly widened. It is not a turn to nationalism that America is experiencing, but a turning against anti-nationalism, which has been increasing in America since Ford was in office.