China says U.S. should be concerned about Japanese nationalism

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  • 42

    Yubaru

    Memo to China: repeat after me, Pot-Kettle-Black!

  • 33

    KariHaruka

    Oh god my sides are hurting from laughing too much...

    Sorry China but the sewage you spew to your citizens doesn't work on the international community. It just makes you the laughing stock.

  • 20

    Riffraff

    This statement is utter nonsense. Why should the United States be concerned? Japan lacks the natural resources to prosecute a war without obtaining them from an outside source. How is Japan going to obtain the resources it would need? Who is Japan going to invade? This is not 1940, Japan sits on her little island and exports tech to the world. Some may dream of the past glory days of imperialism, but the general population does not have the stomach for conflict, they have the memory of two bright flashes of light that destroyed two cities in the blink of an eye. A lesson well learned.

  • 16

    nigelboy

    U.S., who fought against Japan does not complain about official visits to Yasukuni for they understand a simple concept of honoring their war dead nor do they consider Japanese actions in regards to the islands as provocations for they are the ones witnessing the aggressive Chinese behavior first hand on Japanese soil.

    "Diayou islands? Where's that? "

    Sincerely,

    U.S.

  • 12

    OssanAmerica

    Okinawa prefecture has been since 1945 and continues to be the home of the largest US military presence in Asia and a crucial hub for operations in that part of the world. And China actually believes that the United States is going to allow them to take a part of Okinawa? With a government with this kind of absurd thinking it's no wonder that their internet supporters don't make any sense. Yes China we are very concerned about nationalism. CHINESE NATIONALISM.

  • 13

    Schopenhauer

    It is China which awakend the nationalism in Japan if any.

  • 24

    Speed

    This article should've come with a laugh track.

  • 10

    littleleon

    To be honest, I believe that the current generation of Japanese could do with an actual increase in nationalism and national pride.

    The United States has said that it does not have a position on the island dispute.

    I thought that they'd stated that the islands were under the control of Japan, and that was that. Case closed? Or something to those words....

  • 9

    Crazedinjapan

    Cornflakes exiting nose.....unbelievable ! Hey United States and the rest of the world should watch out! Next thing you know Japan will lock down google and censor the Internet (sarcasm insert here) stones dropping own own feet?? I'm really starting to think about fortune cookies here...and space/time continuum eg; contract signed by china stating islands owned by Japan has been removed do to trickery....excuse me folks have to clean up these cornflakes

  • 11

    hatsoff

    Just another reason why China is not taken seriously. Yes, the world wants its cheap factories, and yes its bullying is seen as destabilising the region, but China should not for a minute think that it's taken seriously for anything else. Too funny.

  • 9

    paulinusa

    This is push back over the recent US position supporting Japan's control over the islands. And probably the hope that some Washington politician will pick up on the ambassador's comments and stir up opposition to Japan.

  • 8

    Farmboy

    I thought that they'd stated that the islands were under the control of Japan, and that was that. Case closed? Or something to those words....

    Specifically, they said the islands should be administered by Japan, and that they took no position on sovereignty. The administration of the islands was previously done by the US, and was then turned over to Japan. The US, under a treaty they signed with Japan, will protect the islands.

  • 7

    MarkG

    China tries.....I guess.

  • -24

    Chin4Sailor

    China says U.S. should be concerned about Japanese nationalism

    Absolutely...!

    It's the 100,000 Pound Elephant in the room!

    You already have a country of a 100 million that mostly believe they are the victims of WW2, It's almost exactly like Germany after WW1, the conditions are almost ripe for a ultra-nationalist to gain power and set up righting their perceived injustices (because of white-washed history) hence you have this belief of aggrieved victimhood.

    Let's hope we never let them get that far, for the sake of all humanity...

  • 9

    Jaymann

    we should ALL be concerned about nationalism in ALL of our countries. Nationalist sentiments are growing globally if one is honest.

  • 24

    OssanAmerica

    Chin4SailorMay. 02, 2013 - 08:04AM JST China says U.S. should be concerned about Japanese nationalism Absolutely...! It's the 100,000 Pound Elephant in the room! You already have a country of a 100 million that mostly believe they are the victims of WW2, It's almost exactly like Germany after WW1, the conditions are almost ripe for a ultra-nationalist to gain power and set up righting their perceived injustices (because of white-washed history) hence you have this belief of aggrieved victimhood. Let's hope we never let them get that far, for the sake of all humanity...

    An example of type of argument necessitated by the Chinese government's absurd position. We have an country of 1.344 BILLION who can not vote and live under state controlled media and education, who have replaced "communism," with "nationalism" and who believe hey have been victimized by the West and Japan, are on a massive military and territorial expansion program, and are currently in disputes with many Asian neighbors, protects and coddles North Korea, and have declared their intent to replace the United States as the dominant strategic power in the region. And we are supposed to be worried about Japan? Seriously?

  • -2

    Yubaru

    The US, under a treaty they signed with Japan, will protect the islands.

    Actually no this is incorrect. The US will not protect the islands, the US will protect Japan's right to protect it's territory.

    There is a difference there. Let's say China decides to land troops on the islands and blockade them from further intrusion by Japanese forces. Also for the discussion here only, let's say there were no Japanese vessels in the area to stop the landing. The US is not going to stop China on it's own. It will assist and protect Japan.

  • 12

    Atezuka

    That's right, because the Japanese government has been picking up protesters from farms, busing them into major cities, and allowing them to protest in front of the Chinese embassy, burning cars, and smashing things while the police stand-by and encourage. In the background censoring the internet and disappearing anyone who makes a squeak to complain.

    How deluded are the Chinese? Do they really expect any intelligent person to not see their insecurities and bullying are so obvious to the rest of the world?

  • 8

    AkashiAussie

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2013-05/02/content_16466380.htm

    This is the Chinese take on things. Reads just like a CCP play book!

  • 10

    Daniel Sullivan

    What I don't understand is why Japan hasn't tried to do the same thing as Russia does with Sakhalin - just build infrastructure on the damn island. Look, how much money would it be costing to endlessly debate the topic and scramble fighters whenever China starts getting a bit frisky? For that money (and probably a little bit of citizenship lest the islands accidentally become Australian), I will happily move to Senaku, build a house, create agriculture, and start trade with the mainland thereby making it an operational part of Japan. Anyone with me?

  • -10

    sfjp330

    OssanAmerica May. 02, 2013 - 08:17AM JST and who believe hey have been victimized by the West and Japan, are on a massive military and territorial expansion program, and are currently in disputes with many Asian neighbors,

    It is quite clear that in 1972, the Chinese were very keen on achieving the normalization of diplomatic relations with Japan., In 1978, the conclusion od the Peace and Friendship Treaty, and since both agreements faced serious difficulties, the Chinese leaders did not want the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands problem to stand in their way. The two diplomatic agreements were achieved, but at the cost of sweeping islands issues under the carpet, by agreeing to disagree for the time being. At the time, Zhou Enlais response is particularly interesting, since he let known that the sovereignty issue would become a problem if oil should be extracted from the area. It is also interesting that already in 1978, the continental shelf issue was recognized as an item of disagreement between China and Japan. Looking at official Japanese statements in 1978, it is fair to say that there has been an evolution from agreeing, at least implicitly, to theshelving arrangement', to later Japan goverment explicitly denying such an agreement.

  • 23

    Hansaram

    Consider the barbaric anti Japanese protest last yer, I think the world should be concerned about Chinese nationalism.

  • 15

    buggerlugs

    Chinas usual rhetoric, trying to curry favour and build mistrust. It's not gonna work. The rocks will stay as Japanese territory.

  • 13

    Jay Que

    "Mr. Ambassador, Why not give each Chinese citizen the right to vote, to choose their leaders like in every other adanced society? Perhaps such a reform on Chinese soil, will herald a new era of trust and prosperity among great nations of the world. Falling back to bad old habits, reinforced by a one party dictatorship not beholden to represent an electorate, will just end badly, for all. So, please, Mr Ambassador, help your home nation to stand tall, in the fellowship of democratic nations. Stand tall, as does Japan, and all other demicracies, where border disputes are more gentlemans disagreements rather than a childs spat, or worse. Let your people vote."

  • -17

    sfjp330

    nigelboyMay. 02, 2013 - 07:18AM JST U.S., who fought against Japan does not complain about official visits to Yasukuni for they understand a simple concept of honoring their war dead nor do they consider Japanese actions in regards to the islands as provocations

    Reports say that Barack Obama’s administration, through the Japanese embassy in Washington, has raised some concerns over various issues involving Japan and its neighbors over the past few days. They are referring to Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s controversial statements about Japan’s history and the visit of over 170 ministers to the Yasukuni Shrine.

    China and South Korea did not take kindly to Abe’s statements to the House of Councillors’ Budget Committee earlier this week. Abe said during the parliamentary session that he “has not necessarily inherited” Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama’s statement apologizing for Japan’s wartime militarism that affected countries like China and South Korea. In the same week, the visits by cabinet members, including Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Taro Aso, to the shrine that honors Japan’s wartime dead, was met with a lot of criticism by those who were victims of Japan’s aggression, again China and South Korea. Abe defended his cabinet members, saying they “will not give in to any threats.”

    The informal message from the United States said that these incidents might cause destabilization in the region. State Department acting deputy spokesman Patrick Ventrell said that they have not issued a formal protest to the Japanese embassy but urged them to fix these issues in a diplomatic manner. He said they’ve always hoped that the countries in the region would be able to resolve their respective issues with each other. Washington has expressed frustration before over the continuing tensions between the three over various historical and territorial disputes.

    Source: Japan Daily Press

  • 10

    nigelboy

    It is quite clear that in 1972, the Chinese were very keen on achieving the normalization of diplomatic relations with Japan., In 1978, the conclusion od the Peace and Friendship Treaty, and since both agreements faced serious difficulties, the Chinese leaders did not want the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands problem to stand in their way. The two diplomatic agreements were achieved, but at the cost of sweeping islands issues under the carpet, by agreeing to disagree for the time being. At the time, Zhou Enlais response is particularly interesting, since he let known that the sovereignty issue would become a problem if oil should be extracted from the area. It is also interesting that already in 1978, the continental shelf issue was recognized as an item of disagreement between China and Japan. Looking at official Japanese statements in 1978, it is fair to say that there has been an evolution from agreeing, at least implicitly, to theshelving arrangement', to later Japan goverment explicitly denying such an agreement.

    Word for word copy/paste job from the below source by sfjp330 once again.

    http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/20881/1/Japanese-Chinese_territorial_disputes_in_the_East_China_Sea_(LSERO).pdf

  • 4

    LFRAgain

    Well played, Nigelboy. Well played.

  • 6

    nigelboy

    Reports say that Barack Obama’s administration, through the Japanese embassy in Washington, has raised some concerns over various issues involving Japan and its neighbors over the past few days. They are referring to Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s controversial statements about Japan’s history and the visit of over 170 ministers to the Yasukuni Shrine.

    Yes. I'm quite sure the Japanese counterparts have also raised some concerns over various issues involving U.S. and Middle East. Your point? The bottom line. Does U.S. officially disagree with Japanese officials going to Yasukuni when the U.S. Armed forces from time to time had their officials visit there as well?

  • 13

    don-in-japan

    A rise in Japanese nationalism? Err... if anything, it seems significantly less than when I came here 15 years ago...

  • 19

    gogogo

    Japan was “clearly” the one acting provocatively over the islands, not China, he added.

    Says the country that turned on radar lock to Japanese planes inside Japan's own airspace?

  • 5

    OssanAmerica

    YubaruMay. 02, 2013 - 08:22AM JST "The US, under a treaty they signed with Japan, will protect the islands." Actually no this is incorrect. The US will not protect the islands, the US will protect Japan's right to protect it's territory.

    No actually you are incorrect. Japan already has the right to protect it's territory and is expected to do so. . Article 5 will kick in if a third country invades or attempts to occupy Japanese or Japanese administered territory. In other words, as the US Sec of State and the US Sec of Defense has stated, the Senkakus fall within US defense parameters.

  • 13

    SuperLib

    This is probably the result of a government that can say what it wants and not be accountable to its own people. They tend to forget that people outside of China aren't under the same restrictions.

  • 5

    Eigen

    Wow. Who is seriously orchestrating China's (pathetic) attempt to shake Japan's image, an 8 year old? This is going to be JUST like Scarborough in the battle with Manila. China is going to try and legitimize their illegal actions, then drop a complete military takeover of the region they "claim".

    And they say watch out for Japanese nationalism...

  • 8

    JanesBlonde

    More meaningless propaganda statements from the Chinese Communist Party. Unfortunately like with all totalitarianism regimes, the only people likely to believe what they are saying are the actually living in the country. The rest of the world actually has access to news sources and free internet access and can clearly see that China CANNOT BE TRUSTED. The Senkaku "dispute" is the perfect opportunity for the Chinese Communist Party to band the drum of NATIONALISM and divert their peoples attention away from rising unemployment, the property bubble, corruption, the growing gap between super rich and poor etc.

    That said only has itself to blame for this mess. None of this would be happening today if Ishihara had not given the Chinese Communist Party the perfect opportunity to start all of this.

  • 11

    tkoind2

    We all knew that China's foreign policy is problematic. But now it seems we can add desperate to the description. To play this card is either a sign of desperation, utter stupidity or a record breaking level of denial over their own policies.

    Nice try China. I suggest next you should try the following line.

    "America should just give us the world, we will take good care of it." :) Don't forget the smiley face it helps with this sort of statement.

  • 2

    Scrote

    "the rise of nationalism" is mainly limited to the nutcases in the Diet. I wonder to what extent their extreme views are shared by the population? We will find out when/if the people vote for conscription and censorship under Abe's proposed changes to the constitution.

  • -8

    Tiger_In_The_Hermitage

    Its seriously funny how views are extremely distorted in America. The western media portry China as some kind of a bully, nationalist... blah blah. US needs to be concerned about Japan's nationalism becuase its us who bombed pearl harbour, Australia should also be concerned because we also bombed Darwin. Also with the rest of our neighbours, whom a fraction of their population had their heads cut off in WWII. Start taking Japanese Military seriously! China, no need to worry about them, when did they ever had the ability or the mentality to invade another, the Chinese are too weak.

  • 13

    Pidestroika

    Yes, there is indeed a significant rise of Japanese nationalism. Japanese undoubtly prefer AKB48 and Momoiro Clover Z to Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga.

  • -2

    Yubaru

    No actually you are incorrect. Japan already has the right to protect it's territory

    Go back and read what I wrote again. The US is not going to get involved in WWIII just for some rocks in the sea.

    If China takes them by force, the US will ASSIST with their defense but will not take the point.

    If you think otherwise, you are.....

  • 8

    Tamarama

    China are diplomatically very ham fisted at times. They lack nous, subtlety.

    If there is a rise in Japanese Nationalism, and this is a big 'if' at this point, I believe that China are largely responsible for it. Their ever increasing Nationalist posturing and expansionist agenda has forced Japan to think about it's safety in light of a neighbour that continues to spend like a drunken sailor on military expansion whilst behaving in an ever more belligerent and threatening manner. You only have to read the vitriolic sentiments of the Chinese posters here on JT to see how much they have learned to hate Japan under the guidance of the State.

    Japan has to consider it's position in light of this. It's pacifist constitution is, in my opinion, one of the most enlightened aspects of it as a modern state and world leader. But they can't be expected to retain this if their massive neighbours across the sea take advantage of this when itching to settle old scores. And honestly, I really suspect that this is what the whole Senkaku affair is all about. Payback, retribution. That is the timbre of the argument of many of the Chinese who post here. They reference past misdeeds and link it to national pride - a dangerous and incendiary combination that is clearly stoked by the state.

    There are some here who criticise Japan for hiding behind the US, which in my opinion shows a poor understanding of Japan as a modern state and their complex relationship with the US. Japan is right to use this alliance for protection. The US has long prospered from it's relationship with the Japanese State it created - both strategically and economically. Prospered tremendously. Japan has also prospered from this, but pragmatically, the US military IS Japan's protection. Of course they will look to invoke the military agreements when the time is right. That's smart, responsible government, not cowardice.

    Just keep in mind, with no threat from China/North Korea, we wouldn't even be discussing this. It would be a non-issue. But to see Chinese officials sprouting rubbish like this to the international press shows how duplicitous they are.

  • -17

    Tony Ew

    Unless people are blind, Japanese nationalism is in full display in Tokyo and Yasukuni Shrine with the black vans making lots of noise. I don't see any in China. So the Chinese ambassador is making a correct factual observation. Worst, the politicians esp Abe is whipping up more nationalism that he try to awaken to win the upcoming election to change the Constitution to remilitarise. Asian countries who suffered WWII are you sleeping?

    I have to clarify that nationalism means a very narrow selfish agenda be it immigration, war, economic policies that harm the nation itself for one's own narrow faction's or personal gain. On the other hand there is nothing wrong with patriotism which means love for country just like nationalist do but they do not go overboard to hijack the will of the majority, esp the silent majority who goes undetected compared with what the noisy nationalists are doing.

    People who accuse China to be full of nationalists, please give proof, any proof other than some angers, acts of natural human beings who are not subhumans or robots, those acts are not to be confused with having nationalist attitudes.

    Please don't murder the English language. Different words have different meanings, like 'regrettable is not the same as 'sorry/apology', so being patriotic is not the same as being a nationalist. A patriot does not harm his country whereas acts of nationalists do.

    America has finally realise Japan is not worth defending if she gets too nationalistic. Better lead from far far behind and let the Japanese suffer first before US offer to step in. Just ask Kerry and Hagel, they know better than Hillary how to manage Japan! Recent news out of the White House shows a shift in US attitude towards Japan, no more blind support in the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands disputes as the wool over US eyes is finally lifted!

    CNN should do a survey of Japanese sentiment and once and for all confirm that Japan is indeed rearing her ugly nationalists head again with devastating consequence as seen in the lead up to WWII.

  • -12

    Tony Ew

    @Tamarama

    Just keep in mind, with no threat from China/North Korea, we wouldn't even be discussing this. It would be a non-issue. But to see Chinese officials sprouting rubbish like this to the international press shows how duplicitous they are.

    What threat from China are you talking about? Disputes go on all the time and some are endless, unsolvable, like Spain and UK over Gibraltar. China moves towards Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands CAUSED by Ishihara, remember? Japan is the last country in the world anybody want to invade. Little resources, aging demographics, who in the world want to touch Japan? It's a liability!

  • -15

    Tony Ew

    @JanesBlonde

    The Senkaku "dispute" is the perfect opportunity for the Chinese Communist Party to band the drum of NATIONALISM and divert their peoples attention away from rising unemployment, the property bubble, corruption, the growing gap between super rich and poor etc.

    Why on earth should the Chinese technocrats who run the country waste time with such 'nationalists' diversions that is a product of your fertile imagination? Remember the difference between China and the West/Japan is she is run by capable technocrats, not politicians with forked tongues telling lies to hoodwink people. The one fault about Chinese leaders is they are not as slick in presenting their position, so as a result they got misunderstood. This is quite obvious to some who knows sociable, political people, trial lawyers, well trained, they are more manipulative, agile than the dull technocrats, nerds, engineers who will fall flat if they ever try to do a stand up comic routine! So it's always seems like the more manipulative guys win out over the more studious, boring type.

  • -10

    Nippon Nation

    @<<riffraff said: they have the memory of two bright flashes of light that destroyed two cities in the blink of an eye. A lesson well learned.

    What lesson well learned?

  • 2

    MarkG

    We must not forget the student-tank standoff in China not so long ago. Ad should we take advise from China?

  • -20

    Tony Ew

    @sfjp330 @gogogo

    Thanks for exposing the Inconvenient Truth. US is not going to support Japan blindly. US is tired of Japan's scheme to lure China into a war, first in the radar lock incident last year (ask military expert and they will explain Japan's dirty tricks @ gogogo) Next up: the recent 9 boatload of nationalists taking a cruise around the islands.

    US finally realise the INSTIGATOR is Japan ALL ALONG, so that's it, Kerry/Hagel, BOTH MILITARY MEN are advising POTUS to wake up and realise the real devil is Japan!

    "Reports say that Barack Obama’s administration, through the Japanese embassy in Washington, has raised some concerns over various issues involving Japan and its neighbors over the past few days. They are referring to Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s controversial statements about Japan’s history and the visit of over 170 ministers to the Yasukuni Shrine."

    "The informal message from the United States said that these incidents might cause destabilization in the region. State Department acting deputy spokesman Patrick Ventrell said that they have not issued a formal protest to the Japanese embassy but urged them to fix these issues in a diplomatic manner."

    HINT TO JAPAN: The American public, once CNN make this into headline news, all eyes will be away from NBA/Baseball and people will realise Japan is the source of all recent tensions. Sentiments will quickly shift against Japan and not a single Senator dare to support Japan wholesale once the truth is out!

  • 13

    SuperLib

    Tony EW: The one fault about Chinese leaders is they are not as slick in presenting their position, so as a result they got misunderstood.

    China recently circulated a story from TheOnion.com saying the US Congress was going to move to a new city unless a new Capitol was built. It was a joke about what professional sports franchises do.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/congress-threatens-to-leave-dc-unless-new-capitol,98/

    China's government circulated that story as fact because they don't understand the concept of satire. It's something you don't understand when you make publishing your own outrageous stories routine. You're unable to separate fact from fiction.

    Not as slick? Not quite. More like living in your own bubble.

    Oh, here's another story China reprinted: Kim Jong-Un Named The Onion's Sexiest Man Alive For 2012

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/kim-jongun-named-the-onions-sexiest-man-alive-for,30379/

    Now ask yourself how this might change someone's perception of what the ambassador said.

  • -15

    Tony Ew

    Expanding on the Nationalism and Constitution change in the upcoming election.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/02/us-japan-politics-constitution-idUSBRE94101D20130502

    Many people are confused to think Nationalism in Japan is due to China's fault. Abe is using the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands issue AS A DIVERSION. You Read It Here First! In fact, Abe push to change the Constitution IS THE REAL REASON HE WHIP UP NATIONALISM TO WIN MORE VOTES.

    Abe's Japan cannot accept Western style individualism freedom of expression, too vulgar for Japanese traditional cultural values. He will be in collision course with America's principles and America will cut him loose!

    Reuters report, excerpts below: Japanese should be scared of Abe, not just China. Soon if he succeed I may not be able to post here due to his censorship, like China!

    "However, sweeping changes proposed by Abe's Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) in a draft constitution would strike at the heart of the charter with an assault on basic civil rights that could muzzle the media, undermine gender equality and generally open the door to an authoritarian state, activists and scholars say."

    ""The real concern is that a couple of years later, we move to a redefinition of a 'new Japan' as an authoritarian, nationalist order," said Yale University law professor Bruce Ackerman"

    "The draft deletes a guarantee of basic human rights and prescribes duties, such as submission to an undefined "public interest and public order". The military would be empowered to maintain that "public order.""

    Hmm, Abe, secretly admiring the Communist system?

  • 2

    jojotoday

    I'm not sure if many of you live in Japan or perhaps you live out in the sticks here but it should be clear to those venturing out in the cities that nationalism IS increasing in Japan.

  • 8

    WilliB

    "China says U.S. should be concerned about Japanese nationalism"

    That is rich, coming from the PRC. Has Japan perhaps fired up mobs of screaming fanatical nutcases to burn down Chinese businesses and attack Chinese visitors?

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

  • -1

    noriyosan73

    FORGET IT! If Japan does start thinking about its self defense, then China will put the squeeze on the USA to abandon Japan by not buying the USA debt. It is time to change the constitution, stop spending money in foreign countries, and defend Japan.

  • 3

    Bgood41

    The best place for such talk is China under strict dictatorial control of communist machine, where the mass always being manipulated by the state. In other places, peoples have better information and freedom of surfing and speech, such as searching on "Tibet" or " leadership corruption" without fear of reprisal from government. Freedom worth more than money. Well, let's speak Chinese" It is a matter of internal policy"! It seemed he put his foot in his mouth.

  • 6

    Saketown

    When the day Communist China allows their People the right to Vote for their Politicians vice Goverment Selected Politicians THEN we can talk about "NationalIsm".

    Brainwashing the populace as Communist China does gives them No Right to lecture The United States on "Nationalsim" and or who we choose to side as Our Allies and Friends.

    China needs to drop Communism...it's a dangerous disease.

  • -1

    CrisGerSan

    what a most amazing joke for them to say this. What a laughtable amazingly just fantastic huge stretch of imagination. I am in awe :)

  • -15

    Tony Ew

    @SuperLib

    I cannot comment on who was in charge of the publication in China but I can tell you this: English is not well translated in China, I have seen this countless times, even my posts and may others in Globaltimes.cn gets through with crude languages deliberately written which won't cut it here, because I am pretty sure the censors don't have good English command there. So a little word play is all it takes to confuse those guys!

    I want to emphasize that Nationalism is currently whipped up by Abe to win more votes to change the Constitution. It is true that many Easterners cannot stomach the West US style freedom of expression, corroding, polluting their Eastern traditional cultural values. They do not want to become 'McDonalds. like US, the world over', so some countries want their own unique culture.

    I suspect Japan is using the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands disputes, true, it is a genuine dispute, but I suspect Abe MAGNIFY it to manipulate the Japanese people sense of nationalism to vote for him to change the upcoming Constitution. In other words China is set up as a fall guy for Abe grand scheme to change the Constitution. Once successful, he will probably be more willing to meet China half way.

  • -3

    tmarie

    Frankly, I AM concerned. Just as I'm concerned about nationalism in China.

  • 0

    Upgrayedd

    It's hilarious that anyone believes the current LDP draft would pass the diet and a national vote.

  • 2

    SecularBeast

    It didn't take long for the CCP to play the victim card - and throw in a couple of 'subtle' threats at the US for good measure. Rocks? Feet? lol.

    The CCP need to heed the old addage, "It's better to not say anything and let people think you are a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt."

  • -4

    Redcliff

    @ OssanAmerica

    " And China actually believes that United States is going to allow them to take part of Okinawa"

    No OssanAmerica China does not expect that. China is more than happy for US to keep the 20% of Okinawa currently it occupies. It hates to stir up the hot pot.

    @ Tamarama

    " ....But they can't expect to retain this if their massive neighbour across the sea take advantage of this when itching to settle old score. And honestly I really suspect that this ... Payback retribution. That is the timbre of the argument of having Chinese who post here."

    Chinese posters here are just like any patriotic Japanese who voiced their support and concern of their sovereignty of the disputed Islands and no as you have claimed for settling old score of the WWII. I hope your logic is better than your claim.

  • 1

    Redcliff

    @ Saketown

    Don't confuse Patriotism with Nationalism.

  • -13

    Tony Ew

    @HansaramMay. 02, 2013 - 08:52AM JST

    Consider the barbaric anti Japanese protest last yer, I think the world should be concerned about Chinese nationalism.

    Correction! Those are acts of ANGRY PEOPLE, not nationalists. Read my other posts so you can differentiate between nationalists and patriots. Normal humans with feelings like the angry Chinese, not subhumans, robots with no feelings. So why should you be surprised at the Chinese angry reaction to a perceived slight?

    Nationalists are groups of people who are minorities with a narrow agenda who hijack their government's policies for their own selfish interest and damage their country's own economic wealth and security. In other words they damage the interest of the majority of the citizens who voted to elect the government through their clever schemes. You can use Ishihara as a very fine example. He is a nationalist that is in a minority group in Japan and he manage to hijack the government policies resulting in today's mess. The Noda government by itself will not have created this mess, so I hope you see the difference between a patriotic normal people who vent their anger vs a nationalist like Ishihara who hijack a country's foreign policy for their own narrow selfish interest.

    Interestingly the nationalists in Japan may become a majority of the population as I noted in other posts, courtesy of Abe's scheme to whip up nationalism to change the Constitution to make Japan more traditional in values and less Western orientated besides remilitarism.

  • -2

    Redcliff

    @ Yabaru

    "...If China takes them by force the US will assist with their defense but will not take the point."

    I have to agree with you on this point.

  • -6

    Redcliff

    @ Tony Ew

    Further to your commenst on Obama displeasure. Last Saturday the Washington post Editorial has an article with head lines "Japan chides for ignoring History"

  • -1

    Mark Elrod

    Why should any country be concerned? The Japanese self-defense forces are so small & they don't have very many ships that they can't do anything to any country. It has been reduced to that purposefully, since WWII. Japanese imperialistic fanaticism, invading all countries around it & the willingness to fight until the death is the reason for this.

    Just like Germany only has self-defense forces, not a full military, after WWII. In the past, the governments of Germany & Japan both invaded countries *needlessly * with primal lust for power.

    As it stands, Japan is reliant on other countries protecting it. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

  • 3

    Wakarimasen

    Ridiculous. Japan knows it couldn't hope to compete with US, China thinks it just might be able to.

  • -2

    toannds

    There are no nationalism in China. They are just angry only. If Chinese people anger then you should be careful. They attack Japanese football team, attack Japanese cars (regardless of the owners, Chinese or ambassador), attack ... you name it, with police stand by, doing nothing. Just some (billions) uncivilized people, don't worry :)

  • 0

    Sentiments

    The comment from the Chinese ambassador makes one thing clear. He has formulated his statement from a logic that not many others share. why does he have such a strange view of the situation? Of course he is only trying to use political means to end US support for Japan. That would make it much easier for China to take what they want from their neighbors. Overt time China has been pushing Japan into a stronger nationalistic sentiment, thats for sure. Thus the simplest solution to stop Abes "shady plan" would be to stop pushing Japan over the Senkaku islands. Im sure the Chinese ambassador can sleep easier if he convinces his government to let go of the islands and start a more intense program of social reforms in China.

  • 5

    toannds

    Tony Ew:

    HINT TO JAPAN: The American public, once CNN make this into headline news, all eyes will be away from NBA/Baseball and people will realise Japan is the source of all recent tensions. Sentiments will quickly shift against Japan and not a single Senator dare to support Japan wholesale once the truth is out!

    You are absolutely rite ... if you replace the word "Japan" by "China" in that phrase. The comment from Chinese ambassador already has became a laughing stock now, at least in this forum.

  • 3

    budgie

    The US, Asia and the world should be far more worried about Chinese nationalism. Japanese nationalism, though real enough, is a small scale nuisance that does more to hold its own society back that anything else. If Japanese leaders ant to be a bunch of backward-looking Imperial apologists the truth is they're only hurting themselves. China's expansionist tendencies are a looming danger to world peace.

  • 3

    Altruist777

    Another idiotic remark by China.

  • 6

    Urqinchina

    @tony Ew. It is very interesting to read all of your comments put together from over the past 3 months. I have a long list of questions to ask, because I can't quite get a handle on the reasoning behind your comments.

  • 0

    highball7

    Any citizen or representative from their own country should have the rights to be proud and patriotic about their own nation. There is nothing wrong with that.

    HOWEVER, it might not be the best when you have all these so called representatives who are nothing but scheming politicians trying to gain favors and supports from their right wing constituents by visiting an extremely controversial shrine and have your prime minister proclaimed long live the emperor, just like how Tojo did it back when.

    You have your rights, its your country, but not the most sensitive thing to do when virtually all of your neighbors hates your guts while you're trying to get out of a three decades old economic rut. And its never a good thing to sound an alarm to neighbors who not only hates your gut but has became increasingly suspicious of your new regime's motives of a right-wing movement. As we all know, when Japan turns right, and turns it to the far right, nothing good has come out of it. That's just history talking.

    So it might not be a good strategy to keep everyone on edge and erases any possibility for any good will left. This me against the region can go only so far. I don't think anyone in US would agree that seeing a right leaning nationalistic Japan would benefit anyone, including US.

  • 0

    Kazuaki Shimazaki

    Some things are legitimately controversial. Others aren't. Yasukuni, house of countless millions of Japanese military dead is in the latter category.

    I'll argue in that sense, Japan should never have allowed itself to be influenced on Yasukuni. Let them influence you once and they'll cling onto your weakness like ..., while ignoring them quickly persuades them to find more productive usages of their time. It is too late to change the past so Abe is doing the right (though costly thing) here.

    Though I do agree with those who are suspicious of Abe's motives. I've read the proposed "amendment" (more like a Bottom-Up Review - ironically in politics Bottom Up Reviews are amendments while amendments are BURs) and raise eyebrows at all those alterations. Nevertheless, the Japanese may feel as if he has little choice. The only Constitutional Amendments offered in Japan are BUR package deals, and if he feels China is threatening, he may have no choice but to accept a package that clearly establishes a Japanese military even if he is aware of the dangers of the more vague alterations elsewhere...

  • 6

    SuperLib

    Tony Ew: I cannot comment on who was in charge of the publication in China but I can tell you this: English is not well translated in China

    Jeeze.....it's a bit scary to think the Chinese government isn't capable of translating an English document and realizing it's a complete farce. I really hope you weren't serious.

  • 2

    SuperLib

    Tigerinthe_Hermitage: US needs to be concerned about Japan's nationalism becuase its us who bombed pearl harbour, Australia should also be concerned because we also bombed Darwin.

    But we aren't. Why? Because we have a good history of building good relationships with people even after war. Look at Japan and Germany, two of the US's biggest allies now. Even the relationship with Vietnam is positive and we all know about the atrocities there.

    China, on the other hand, just seems interested in revenge. They know nothing about the benefits of building relationships with countries unless they are in Africa and need a check. Their inability to evolve is becoming more dangerous as time goes on and that's what worries people the most.

  • 0

    highball7

    Kaz,

    I don't think anyone is arguing against visiting and paying respect to the innocent souls enshrined at Yasukuni. But the point is the shrine ELECTED to accept those Class A mass murderers that caused so much pain and damage around the world. They can ELECT to get rid of them or never accepted them in the first place. Those murderers do not deserve to be visited or have anyone paid any respect to. In fact, those murderers had cast a shade and disservice the ones that are innocent.

    There are MANY shrines in Japan that these politician can visit and pay respect to but they all, meaning the right-leaning ones choose this one. Funny how the emperor doesn't care much about it but the politicians do. That tells you a whole lot about their motives.

    And its never too late to change the fact that they can remove these convicted murderers so there won't be an finger to point at. I don't think Japan deserves any pride or tradition on this topic. Japan wanted this as a reminder of the pain the past and also the glory in the past, then you must bear the consequence that others who had suffered from the pain you caused will continue to use it as a detriment against you.

    Tell me, how much had Japan gained out of this? No more high level exchanges on the political front from SK and China. I don't see any more significant business deals allowed by China to Japan. And the Chinese aren't keen on purchasing your products these days as sales for most Japanese goods had dropped significantly.

    Its your economy, your people's job security and the outlook of your country that are being affected. Just the fact that China is vetoing anything Japan throws out at the UN or any Economic Forum should be clear enough. How long can Japan endure this and what good can Japan gain out of it?

  • 4

    888naff

    "The United States should be just as concerned as other countries about a rise in Japanese nationalism"

    Dear China, can you provide a list of "other" countries that are "concerned" about this? ...shouldn't take long to write.

  • 6

    smithinjapan

    Stating that they should be concerned about a rise in nationalism because of the current island dispute is not quite the same as saying one should be concerned about a rise in nationalism in general. And in any case who is China to talk about warning someone of rising nationalism.

  • 10

    Tamarama

    Tony Ew

    What threat from China are you talking about?

    Oh, dear me. You can't post something like this and expect anybody to take you seriously as an impartial observer. Or even an objective, informed observer, for that matter. If you are trying to pretend that China are NOT threatening Japan's territorial sovereignty, and therefore Japan itself, then you are tripping.

    China moves towards Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands CAUSED by Ishihara, remember?

    Ishihara does not represent Japan, stop making anaemic excuses.

    Japan is the last country in the world anybody want to invade.

    By definition, China ARE invading Japanese territory constantly. That's EXACTLY what they are doing. Hence, the problem.

  • 7

    DaveAllTogether

    The government of China: always a good laugh.

  • 6

    RzGen

    @Tony Ew

    All I hear from my buddy in the Marines is how they trained to counter an invasion from china. I'm pretty sure the U.S.A is going to pick another democracy over a communist state, if push comes to shove.

    [the following is a poorly constructed opinion] I can't honestly say I know of a person with my circle of friends or family that would think anything terribly negative about japan. I have family living there, and from what I hear its a very friendly, welcoming, and warm country. As opposed to a friend of mine who studied in china and said the place was filthy and you could barely breath the air and drink the water. I've never been to either country, so my opinion is drawn entirely from 3rd party perspective/experience. The only thing I've heard that has been negative about japan is the amount of xenophobia. China while posturing, doesn't really seem all that much of a threat to me. I mean, they pirate most of their technology and and 'try' to implement it.. only to have it explode or sink. And Japanese nationalism? I seriously doubt Japan herself wants to dominate the world, or invade china for its rich amounts of desert. I don't doubt however, that there are several hundreds or more people wishing Japan would just break free of American bondage, we have that kind of thing here in the states.. its called wackos and cranks. The evangelical right and the socialist left contain people who think the U.S.A. 'ish der berst and better invade canadiana'. People with too much time and not enough hobbies. To give one extreme example, its the extreme right/left populace's belief in the that we're hot stuff and everyone had better start being us or **** you. (**** you = JDAMs). I'm not about to damn an entire country for having a few politicians with extreme ideals, china however, is a commie state which is extreme already. The whole place is a joke.

    I probably come across as someone with little knowledge or experience on the matter. Sorry.

  • 5

    Serrano

    The U.S. isn't as worried about Japanese nationalism as it is about Chinese iPhone knock-offs.

  • 6

    oedo1

    @Tony

    I'm pretty sure the censors don't have good English command there.

    Finally something we might agree on, especially after reading your comments here for a few months! The words look familiar but the logic is usually incomprehensable!

    Is "nationalist" always translated as "angry person" is their nationality is Chinese?

  • 0

    oedo1

    sorry is = if

    JT needs an edit button!

  • 4

    nigelboy

    HINT TO JAPAN: The American public, once CNN make this into headline news, all eyes will be away from NBA/Baseball and people will realise Japan is the source of all recent tensions. Sentiments will quickly shift against Japan and not a single Senator dare to support Japan wholesale once the truth is out!

    Do you realize how many resolutions were passed by the Senate denouncing China's past actions?

  • 3

    toannds

    RzGen:

    I can't honestly say I know of a person with my circle of friends or family that would think anything terribly negative about japan. I have family living there, and from what I hear its a very friendly, welcoming, and warm country. As opposed to a friend of mine who studied in china and said the place was filthy and you could barely breath the air and drink the water. I've never been to either country, so my opinion is drawn entirely from 3rd party perspective/experience

    Air or water may not tell you about the people. I have not been at either of the 2 countries but I do meet wide range of people. Japanese people that I have work with, ALL talk soft, humble, polite, elegant, seldom talk about their country. May be because they are white collars. In opposite, impression from most people I met from mainland China not that nice. From Phd, master degree, university students to workers, they bear a common trait: Talk very loud as if they are arguing something, even in public transportation. They seem to be arrogant and very proud of their country. They all hate Japan and US. When asked about the South China Sea claim they show a strong "indisputable stance" without a convincing explanation. A Phd goes further that China will take Vietnam as a province in future! This does tell you something accurately at some degree: They are all nationalists!

  • 2

    HonestDictator

    Ok everyone, point and laugh at China. They like to make the international community laugh at them... not with them.

  • 2

    Kazuaki Shimazaki

    Its your economy, your people's job security and the outlook of your country that are being affected. Just the fact that China is vetoing anything Japan throws out at the UN or any Economic Forum should be clear enough. How long can Japan endure this and what good can Japan gain out of it?

    Here's my counter. WHY does China do this? Because she thinks that whining will actually get her somewhere. Why does she think that? Because a while back, some Japanese politician with a short-term outlook and a failure to learn from Chamberlain thought that appeasement would work ... well we have the results in now (again), don't we?

    China and Korea's insistence on this issue actually forces it into a battle of sovereignty. To yield in this respect is now to accept China and Korea's control over Japan's sovereignty.

    If they let it stay regular size, the right-wing politicians will probably decide to play golf rather than waste time going to the shrine.

    This issue should have been settled by simple mokusatsu (or playing back China's claims of "internal affairs" right in their faces) while Japan still had a good deal of power advantage over China and Korea. Since Japan's politicians failed to take the long term outlook, the only thing left to do is try to do it before they have a large power advantage.

    As for the whole Class A thing, let me ask you this. If Japan took objection to some memorial in America that housed Tibbetts and his Enola Gay crew, would it be a valid claim? OK, sure they hadn't actually been sentenced (America never even allowed the judiciary a chance here), but they still average something like 20-30000 kills each ... all with one A-bomb. They COULD have dropped it "accidentally" into an ocean, you know? They had orders, but America and Britain were so insistent on denying the Nuremberg defense that surely they can apply their own standards to themselves. So will you accept that the memorial should have cut Tibbetts and his crew out?

    I don't think so, and it comes down to this. Tibbetts did the best for his country. And so, ultimately, did the Class A war criminals. Even if Tibbetts is universally reviled around the world (it hasn't happened now, but the world is ever more squeamish to casualties so in a future zeitgeist it might just be so), in his home country, in America, I won't deny him a burial as the American people see fit.

  • 5

    Saul Schimek

    China is not seen as an ally to the U.S. in spite of business contacts. And people have been noticing the increasingly bellicose tone coming out of China over the last five years, and are not inclined to think in it favor. Americans (except policy wonks and Party hacks) by in large regard Japan as an ally as we have had amicable relations since the end of WWII. China....Not so much

  • 3

    nigelboy

    Tell me, how much had Japan gained out of this? No more high level exchanges on the political front from SK and China. I don't see any more significant business deals allowed by China to Japan. And the Chinese aren't keen on purchasing your products these days as sales for most Japanese goods had dropped significantly.

    Which in the long run is a good thing IMO. The latter stages of Noda cabinet and of course Abe's cabinet clearly indicated that Japanese businesses there will not be held as some sort of hostage where for instance, government of China implicitily allows destruction of Japanese businesses anytime there is a dispute. Secondly, it is no accident that Abe's cabinet members including himself have made rounds to other countries surrounding China to pledge more investments in those countries. Look what's happening during this short break during the Golden Week. 11 of the cabinet members have made visits to countries other than China and Korea with joint statements on investments and national security. In short, this last riots by Chinese citizens showed Japanese business leaders, lawmakers, and citizens what "China Risk" was all about without hiring some fancy market consultants.

  • 1

    globalwatcher

    ** Important**

    Japan should be aware that that is how Beijing has been influencing American Chinese intellectuals first who are politically very manipulative and powerful among US congress and journalists. Hope you understand what I meant.

  • 1

    nigelboy

    Expanding on the Nationalism and Constitution change in the upcoming election.

    It's one thing when western media points out the trend but it's another when China cries about it to U.S. In Japan, the term used is "Omae ga yuuna".

  • -9

    Tony Ew

    @Saul SchimekMay. 02, 2013 - 11:30PM JST

    China is not seen as an ally to the U.S. in spite of business contacts. And people have been noticing the increasingly bellicose tone coming out of China over the last five years, and are not inclined to think in it favor. Americans (except policy wonks and Party hacks) by in large regard Japan as an ally as we have had amicable relations since the end of WWII. China....Not so much

    I think you have to update your thinking about US Japan relationship soon. US relationship with say UK is like genuine friendship between countries, a kind of kindred spirit. Not so with Japan, more like a business friendship, no deep rooted sharing of culture though many Americans are impressed with Japanese highly structured, cultured lifestyle and perfectionist demands that also translate to making high end goods.

    US China relationship is more like a friend and enemy, but more enemy at the moment. When China become more democratic and both US and China 'make space' for each other in the military sphere in Asia, relationships will improve, esp after they settle the hacking episodes, and now under Kerry, is working to rein in Japan who is now increasingly seen as the instigator of trouble in the region, like the recent 9 boatloads of nationalists sight seeing around the disputed islands.

    US is more fearful of raising nationalism in Japan than China because of WWII precedence that result in Pearl Harbor, so Americans should be very worried of Japanese rising nationalism which is also going to chip away at democratic values US promote the world over.

    China on the other hand is edging towards more democracy while Japan is moving away from it per Abe push to change the Constitution. Check out this Reuter article

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/02/us-japan-politics-constitution-idUSBRE94101D20130502

    For eg when I was in Tokyo, I saw vulgar business cards calling cards all over telephone booth pre smartphone time, I think Abe want to abolish certain freedom of expressions in Japan which is against US fundamental stance on human rights of free expression!

  • -9

    Tony Ew

    @Kazuaki Shimazaki

    Did you get my memo? Abe is whipping up nationalism in Japan, MAGNIFYING the low grade Senkaku/Diaoyu islands disputes into a major confrontation in preparation for the upcoming vote in your country (assuming you did not emigrate )

    More nationalism translates to more votes for LDP as Abe will frame the issues to show LDP is more able to defend Japan's interest. That will give him the basis to change to Constitution to remilitarise. He need a decisive victory in order to do it since the bar to change the Constitution is very high. Not only the military angle, he is basically trying to redo Japanese way of life, Western style too alien to his party's taste. He want to bring back 'old Japan'. I don't say it, read this article that tells it all. It's all done in a very democratic way, but democracy have a way to produce monsters, so I hope Japanese follow the news very closely!

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/02/us-japan-politics-constitution-idUSBRE94101D20130502

  • -9

    Tony Ew

    @globalwatcherMay. 03, 2013 - 12:41AM JST

    ** Important**

    Japan should be aware that that is how Beijing has been influencing American Chinese intellectuals first who are politically very manipulative and powerful among US congress and journalists. Hope you understand what I meant.

    I follow your post with 'great interest' Please explain. You are cordially invited to show your beef so we understand what you mean. Thank you.

    Last time I check, there is no Chinese lobbyists or influential journalists. Please name a few.

  • -9

    Tony Ew

    @oedo1May. 02, 2013 - 08:46PM JST

    @Tony

    I'm pretty sure the censors don't have good English command there.

    Finally something we might agree on, especially after reading your comments here for a few months! The words look familiar but the logic is usually incomprehensable!

    Is "nationalist" always translated as "angry person" is their nationality is Chinese?

    If you cannot follow my logic, show me the 'line item veto' and I will explain again to see if it is comprehensible to you. I want to remind you and many others in the world of high power politics many many events is more than meets the eye. I never buy 100% what the Chinese said, neither should you or other Japanese supporters what Abe said, esp given his attempt to rewrite history and make insincere apologies.

    I never say there are no nationalists among the 'angry Chinese' but I sure want to hear from you who among the angry Chinese are nationalists. 100% or just 10%? You got to have the facts to back it up. I just say I cannot be sure about the mix.

    In Japan on the other hand you can nail down 100% which party is nationalist eg Ishihara party. Other parties not so easy, they play up nationalist attitudes pre election, I mean LDP to win more votes to change the Constitution.

  • -9

    Tony Ew

    @RzGenMay. 02, 2013 - 08:00PM JST

    @Tony Ew

    All I hear from my buddy in the Marines is how they trained to counter an invasion from china. I'm pretty sure the U.S.A is going to pick another democracy over a communist state, if push comes to shove.

    Wake up sir, it is all business. More training, more reason to show the world US indeed do need to be in the Pacific. The Pentagon is facing budget cuts, so they have to 'cook up something' to justify keeping their budget intact. In this case probably Japan is footing the bill to simulate an invasion of the disputed islands, to be held off San Diego in June. It is all setup'ed, like a movie to keep the issues in the news. Just ask yourself, where is the Chinese simulation big time exercise to take over Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands? Zilch, nada.

  • 0

    sfjp330

    Tony Ew May. 03, 2013 - 01:20AM JST US is more fearful of raising nationalism in Japan than China because of WWII precedence that result in Pearl Harbor, so Americans should be very worried of Japanese rising nationalism which is also going to chip away at democratic values US promote the world over.

    If your assumption is correct, both countries will be in no win situation. You have to remember that China and Japan has over $345 billion dollars in annual bilateral trade and they have alot to lose if they cannot figure out diplomatically. The Japan's current nationalism rise is more of a preception than a reality. If you look at facts, Japan has not increase defense spending in a last few years after the Senkaku/Diaoyu trawler incident became a problem. Maybe the actual increase of Japan military spending is less than half a percent? At the same time, China is increasing their defense spending at a double digit rate with minimal transparency? In less than two decades, China will be importing 80 percent of her oil needs, and they will continue to have problems finding new source of energy. China with the energy shortage, they will most likely be much more assertive around the East and South China Seas, and around the world, and conflicts will most likely happen unless China improve it's diplomacy.

  • -10

    Tony Ew

    @Tamarama

    Tony Ew

    What threat from China are you talking about?

    Oh, dear me. You can't post something like this and expect anybody to take you seriously as an impartial observer. Or even an objective, informed observer, for that matter. If you are trying to pretend that China are NOT threatening Japan's territorial sovereignty, and therefore Japan itself, then you are tripping.

    Fact check: US never confer sovereignty to Japan, so stop your wild imaginations. As a matter of fact Japan is an arrogant administrator doing things willy nilly without first consulting with US how to proceed. Imagine you run a big company and you delegate a part of your property to another co, say call it J Inc. You allow this J Inc to run amok and do things as if she have sovereignty/title? You will have fired J Inc, won't you, for her runaway self delusional right to do as she please? Every job delegated to another entity have Rules Of Engagement, Operation Manuals. If it is not clear to Japan, ask US how to proceed!

    Nationalism abound everywhere, esp in Japan. Read my posts about the reason for the spike in nationalism in Japan, all vote getting scheme by Abe.

    It is blind nationalist attitudes that cause you to 'confer' sovereignty of Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands to Japan, just like blind nationalists cause Koreans to confer sovereignty to Dokkdo Island which I think belong to Japan, ditto blind nationalists who let Russians to confer sovereignty to Kurile Islands to them which I also think actually belong to Japan, robbed, stolen from Japan after WWII JUST LIKE Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands ROBBED, STOLEN from China under duress, unequal Treaty of Shimonoseki. Use this as the Starting Point to see why China have a case in the disputed islands.

    Remember nationalists of all stripes harm their own countries, resulting in less security, less economic progress, less goodwill from others.

    By definition, China ARE invading Japanese territory constantly. That's EXACTLY what they are doing. Hence, the problem.

    Please don't murder the English language. Call that 'intrusion' if you want, but 'invading'? Invading means going to the heart of Tokyo already! Are you trying to best Abe in word manipulation?

  • -1

    sfjp330

    Recently, PM Abe seemed to deny the truth of Japanese aggression during and prior to World War II when he said "the definition of what constitutes aggression has yet to be established. Things that happened between nations will look differently depending on which side you view them from." PM Abe would do well to recall his own wise words about five years ago, during his first term in office, when he said he "agreed with the Chinese leadership that we together shall build a mutually beneficial relationship based on common strategic interests.

  • -8

    Tony Ew

    @sfjp330May. 03, 2013 - 03:42AM JST

    Tony Ew May. 03, 2013 - 01:20AM JST US is more fearful of raising nationalism in Japan than China because of WWII precedence that result in Pearl Harbor, so Americans should be very worried of Japanese rising nationalism which is also going to chip away at democratic values US promote the world over.

    If your assumption is correct, both countries will be in no win situation. You have to remember that China and Japan has over $345 billion dollars in annual bilateral trade and they have alot to lose if they cannot figure out diplomatically. The Japan's current nationalism rise is more of a preception than a reality. If you look at facts, Japan has not increase defense spending in a last few years after the Senkaku/Diaoyu trawler incident became a problem. Maybe the actual increase of Japan military spending is less than half a percent? At the same time, China is increasing their defense spending at a double digit rate with minimal transparency? In less than two decades, China will be importing 80 percent of her oil needs, and they will continue to have problems finding new source of energy. China with the energy shortage, they will most likely be much more assertive around the East and South China Seas, and around the world, and conflicts will most likely happen unless China improve it's diplomacy.

    There is NO winner between countries that have too many nationalists in their midst. There will always be some, but in the current climate I think Abe is PURPOSELY manufacturing nationalism to get more votes so he can change the Constitution. This is a high bar, so he need to whip up sentiments to get people to vote for LDP.

    What I mean is there is hardcore registered nationalists in Japan like Ishihara's party, a minority but there are many hidden sitting on the fence, ready to be influenced by Abe schemes, so it is this group that will become 'temporary nationalists' but when things cool down, they are back to normal sober headed Japanese again. They will regret being exploited by Abe, and I am sure the LDP are really peeved at me!

    After the election is over, he will most likely offer an olive branch like declaring 'joint oil/gas exploration' off the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands, like before Ishihara gambit to turn the islands into tourism, in other words back to square one, THE OWNERSHIP WILL NEVER BE SOLVED, THAT IS FINE FOR BOTH SIDES, just get on with drilling for oil. Case closed. Everybody happy!

    As for China military, that is normal, China need to avoid being seen as weak, never to be bullied again is the Chinese mantra. This should not be mistaken as preparing to invade other countries. People should read China last couple of hundred years history and understand the Chinese National Anthem that inspire them to have strength, stand up and never be bullied again. Thus the necessity for a min military strength to counter US/Russia/Japan/India/Vietnam etc.

  • 5

    OssanAmerica

    YubaruMay. 02, 2013 - 10:48AM JST "No actually you are incorrect. Japan already has the right to protect it's territory"

    Go back and read what I wrote again.

    OK.you wrote : " The US will not protect the islands, the US will protect Japan's right to protect it's territory." As I said, you are incorrect. Japan already has the right to protect it's territory,.

    The US is not going to get involved in WWIII just for some rocks in the sea.

    Yes it is. Unless you know more than the US Sec of State, Sec of Defense, Congress and the US Military themselves? These are not "just some rocks" in the sea. They are part of Okinawa Prefecture. And they are a crucial element in the Chinese PLA Navy's plan to break the first island chain.

    If China takes them by force, the US will ASSIST with their defense but will not take the point. If you think otherwise, you are.....

    And exactly how do you know this? And more importantly, what difference does that make to China?

  • 6

    kaimycahl

    **Tony EW, ** Your Quote

    "Can't believe Americans are so dumb"! What nerve you have, what you have to understand is American think for them selves not believe something because they are forced to believe something! I since you are Chinese based on all the arguments against everyone who has posted here. If they don't agree with what you said you label them ignorant. Sorry to say most Americans are not dumb, if they were and I for one would believe your DUMB azz post here!! And as one posted said Japanese are polite and I agree most that I have met are that way but when he mentioned Chinese people being loud and screaming I agree with his statement and all the post you are making here. I can only bet that you are Chinese too because you are screaming at everyone who disagrees with YOUR WAY OF THINKING. People are dumb they are entitled to their opinions, unfortunately you came up in a culture where you couldn't!! Now scream back!!!****

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    OssanAmerica

    RedcliffMay. 02, 2013 - 01:38PM JST @ OssanAmerica " And China actually believes that United States is going to allow them to take part of Okinawa" No OssanAmerica China does not expect that. China is more than happy for US to keep the 20% of Okinawa currently it occupies. It hates to stir up the hot pot.

    Unfortunately ongoing Chinese actions, such as the ship and air intrusions in Japanese waters and airspace, and China having declared the Senkakus a "core interest" indicates that your comment is totally incorrect.

  • -9

    Tony Ew

    @sfjp330May. 03, 2013 - 04:03AM JST

    Recently, PM Abe seemed to deny the truth of Japanese aggression during and prior to World War II when he said "the definition of what constitutes aggression has yet to be established. Things that happened between nations will look differently depending on which side you view them from." PM Abe would do well to recall his own wise words about five years ago, during his first term in office, when he said he "agreed with the Chinese leadership that we together shall build a mutually beneficial relationship based on common strategic interests.

    Read deeper. As I said, he is pandering to the nationalist votes so he can change the Constitution. He want to show he can make Japanese feel powerful, sovereign, The Japan That Can Say No (remember Ishihara's book?). He is trying to make Japanese have PRIDE in their nation, but little did they know he is trying to hoodwink them to go back to old Japan! All his aggressive policies in the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands, rewriting history is designed to win more votes. Hope Japanese are not blind to his schemes and will regret if they give him the mandate to rewrite Japan's Constitution and maybe bring back 'feudal Japan'.

  • -7

    Tony Ew

    @UrqinchinaMay. 02, 2013 - 04:08PM JST

    @tony Ew. It is very interesting to read all of your comments put together from over the past 3 months. I have a long list of questions to ask, because I can't quite get a handle on the reasoning behind your comments.

    Name one. Just spit it out.

  • -10

    Tony Ew

    @YubaruMay. 02, 2013 - 08:22AM JST

    The US, under a treaty they signed with Japan, will protect the islands.

    Actually no this is incorrect. The US will not protect the islands, the US will protect Japan's right to protect it's territory.

    There is a difference there. Let's say China decides to land troops on the islands and blockade them from further intrusion by Japanese forces. Also for the discussion here only, let's say there were no Japanese vessels in the area to stop the landing. The US is not going to stop China on it's own. It will assist and protect Japan.

    Wonderful logic. I agree. US will 'lead' from far far behind! US is not going to waste precious taxpayer dollars to defend the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands on Japan's behalf which isn't even recognized as sovereign by US. US citizens will throw out Senators who support Japan without good reason, esp regarding a non recognized group of rocks as sovereign to Japan.

    Let's analyse this carefully. US Security Treaty CLEARLY to defend sovereignty of Japan's mainland/Okinawa, those are not disputed and US is obliged to defend 100%.

    For the disputed Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands, Japan should stop her wishful thinking and expect US to be sucked into her game to defend the islands. In fact I bet Japan need to suffer heavily first before US get involved. Why? Because POTUS afraid to get impeached for acting prematurely. In America, there is the War Powers Act and Congress will have to go through the motion before giving the green light to defend the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands. US can drag her feet out while China eat Japan's lunch!

    If Abe understand how America go through her war deliberations, he will not dare to provoke China any more. Hope this will sober up nationalists in Japan to just make their noises in the park instead of near the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands.

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    nigelboy

    Let's analyse this carefully. US Security Treaty CLEARLY to defend sovereignty of Japan's mainland/Okinawa, those are not disputed and US is obliged to defend 100%.

    No need to analyze "carefully". The treaty in of itself does not differentiate between mainland, Okinawa, Hokkaido, or administered territory under "dispute". And since "treaty" executed by U.S. is under supremacy clause as stated in the Constitution, U.S. will no doubt act accordingly if attacked and the so-called "deliberations" will come after when it's over.

    Why do you think the Japanese officials from time after time ask the U.S. to confirm that it falls under the treaty?

    "Let's analyse this carefully" my b***

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    Hide Suzuki

    @Tony Ew

    "US citizens will throw out Senators who support Japan without good reason"

    Yes, they will, in your dreams LOL. 99.9% of American people never heard of and don't know anything about Senkaku. What's on their mind is Boston bombing, immigration reform, Obama care, gun control, budget cuts etc.

    Territory disputes among Japan and China is one of the least important concerns, unless of course you are Chinese or Chinese American.

    One good thing is that your biased opinions even turn usual Japan bashers on JT into Japan defenders LOL.
    But good luck defending your home country that is undefendable

  • 0

    sfjp330

    Just as we overlooked the structural flaws in the Japanese economy and their goverment during Japan's rapid rise, so too are we blind to limits and constraints of China that will prove to put brakes on growth. China's economic expansion is more illusory than spectacular. The constraint on future growth by severe environmental problem in China is not being addressed with urgency, even as their people chokes on dense smog and contaminated water. China expansion has been achieved at the terrible cost of pollution, and damage to ecosystem functions, and depletion of natural resources.

    The magnitude of the environmental pollution and destruction in China is so staggering. Majority of the world's 20 most polluted cities are in China and 90% of its groundwater is polluted and majority of China's rivers and lakes are heavily contaminated. The air is so nasty with sulfur dioxide and nitrogen dioxide. Many regions of Chin are the most polluted air in the world. The situation is only getting worse, because China is adding 18 million automobiles a year, and this is the leading cause of dirty air. And acid rain is so pervasive and severe that crop yields have declined by one-third in China. The impact of air pollution on human health is enormous. Rather than increase military spending, the environmental crisis should be a top priorty that China must overcome. If this continues, China is fighting a losing battle on pollution.

  • 3

    nigelboy

    Just as we overlooked the structural flaws in the Japanese economy and their goverment during Japan's rapid rise, so too are we blind to limits and constraints of .....blah blah

    As usual, it's taken almost word for word from here.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/china-asias-toothless-pap_b_2981393.html

  • -8

    Tony Ew

    @nigelboyMay. 03, 2013 - 05:13AM JST

    Let's analyse this carefully. US Security Treaty CLEARLY to defend sovereignty of Japan's mainland/Okinawa, those are not disputed and US is obliged to defend 100%.

    No need to analyze "carefully". The treaty in of itself does not differentiate between mainland, Okinawa, Hokkaido, or administered territory under "dispute". And since "treaty" executed by U.S. is under supremacy clause as stated in the Constitution, U.S. will no doubt act accordingly if attacked and the so-called "deliberations" will come after when it's over.

    Why do you think the Japanese officials from time after time ask the U.S. to confirm that it falls under the treaty?

    "Let's analyse this carefully" my b***

    Just say no reporters have the guts or willing to ask any admin officials in the White House and seek a definitive answer. Ask a question like: 'Japanese nationalists inflame situation in Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands, just note recent POTUS displeasure', Will US defend Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands aggressively or lead from far far behind, like let a few Japanese ships sink first? Hope you join the journalist pool and be the first to pose that question.

    Per RedcliffMay. 02, 2013 - 01:54PM JST

    "Further to your commenst on Obama displeasure. Last Saturday the Washington post Editorial has an article with head lines "Japan chides for ignoring History" "

    You think US want to waste time, blood and treasure defending such a nuisance friend? US is finding every opportunity to wiggle out of this nightmare.

  • -1

    sfjp330

    nigelboy May. 03, 2013 - 05:13AM JST No need to analyze "carefully". The treaty in of itself does not differentiate between mainland, Okinawa, Hokkaido, or administered territory under "dispute".

    It should be noted that in providing its consent to U.S. ratification of the Treaty, the Senate did not act on the advice of several committee that it include a reservation concerning the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands in the resolution and consent to ratification. The Security Treaty itself declares in Article V that each party would act “in accordance with its constitutional provisions and processes” in response to “an armed attack ... in the territories under the administration of Japan.” “Administration” rather than “sovereignty” is the key distinction that applies to the islands.

  • 2

    nigelboy

    You think US want to waste time, blood and treasure defending such a nuisance friend? US is finding every opportunity to wiggle out of this nightmare.

    I'm quite positive that both U.S. and Japan want these irrational incursions by Chinese to stop but considering the fact that the U.S. Security's revised focus on Asia and the Pacific with Japan being the most reliable ally in that area (with Japan being the only foreign country to be the home base for their Air Craft carrier) not to mention a security treaty in place, the issue now becomes whether or not U.S. wants to dismantle everything that they worked up for 50 years. The answer is no.

  • -10

    Tony Ew

    @Hide SuzukiMay. 03, 2013 - 05:27AM JST

    @Tony Ew

    "US citizens will throw out Senators who support Japan without good reason"

    Yes, they will, in your dreams LOL. 99.9% of American people never heard of and don't know anything about Senkaku. What's on their mind is Boston bombing, immigration reform, Obama care, gun control, budget cuts etc.

    Territory disputes among Japan and China is one of the least important concerns, unless of course you are Chinese or Chinese American.

    One good thing is that your biased opinions even turn usual Japan bashers on JT into Japan defenders LOL. But good luck defending your home country that is undefendable

    Don't be silly. I am not a Japan basher 101%. For example I support Japan on Kuriles and Dokkdo islands, make you happy now? And I even say Senkaku/Diaoyu islands should belong to Taiwan if she have a voice in the UN/ICJ to start. But China is the next best claim in the order of precedence, Japan steal it from China/Taiwan.

    My interest here is just as affected by you or other Japanese descent due to historical ties to motherland. This is only to be expected but I hope to be impartial and make my case without bias. I am biting and sarcastic, that's for sure. I welcome any counter arguments, take a swing at me!

    What I am against is nationalism of all stripes, from all countries, including China, Japan, India, Vietnam etc

    My criteria is simple: Nationalist have narrow vision and they hurt the country, hijacking the will of the majority in their respective country.

    In this case I am bashing Abe policies on Senkaku/Diaoyu islands because I saw he use nationalist sentiments, turn ordinary Japanese into temporary nationalists in order to win votes to change the Constitution. Did you take a look at the Reuter article?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/02/us-japan-politics-constitution-idUSBRE94101D20130502

    Americans will learn more about Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands once CNN make this into headline news. I blame US news media for dereliction of duty here, spending time on sensational events/NBA/Baseball and not focussing on events far far way that will affect Americans in this interconnected world.

  • 1

    nigelboy

    It should be noted that in providing its consent to U.S. ratification of the Treaty, the Senate did not act on the advice of several committee that it include a reservation concerning the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands in the resolution and consent to ratification. The Security Treaty itself declares in Article V that each party would act “in accordance with its constitutional provisions and processes” in response to “an armed attack ... in the territories under the administration of Japan.” “Administration” rather than “sovereignty” is the key distinction that applies to the islands.

    sfjp330. What are you arguing about? Is Honshu, Hokkaido, Shikoku, Kyushu, Okinawa, Senkaku under the adminstration of Japan? Yes. If so, is it covered under the Security Treaty? Yes.

  • 3

    oedo1

    @Tony

    Please don't murder the English language. Call that 'intrusion' if you want, but 'invading'?

    So what your saying here Tony is that you agree that the Chinese are "intruding" into Japanese administered territory?

    Perhaps we've found another point we can agree on. Oh, by the way, I should mention "intrusion", as you call it in your correction of Tamarama's English, is ILLEGAL. Can we agree on that too?

  • 4

    nigelboy

    For example I support Japan on Kuriles and Dokkdo islands, make you happy now?

    Good. Perhaps you can take Japan's example on how to handle those two territorial disputes in that Japan does not infringe upon their "administered" territory on a daily basis like China. Another thing that they have in common is that for both territories, Japan had asked both of them to settle this via International Court of Justice. Perhaps China can start there?

  • -12

    Tony Ew

    @oedo1May. 03, 2013 - 05:52AM JST

    @Tony

    Please don't murder the English language. Call that 'intrusion' if you want, but 'invading'?

    So what your saying here Tony is that you agree that the Chinese are "intruding" into Japanese administered territory?

    Perhaps we've found another point we can agree on. Oh, by the way, I should mention "intrusion", as you call it in your correction of Tamarama's English, is ILLEGAL. Can we agree on that too?

    Don't be silly oedo1. If I am rude, I would have put you into the 'Johnny Can't Read' column. I wrote " 'intrusion' ", not "intrusion". See the difference? If you can't I cannot help you.

    I am trying to explain to you that the word is RELATIVE based on who's point of view one is looking from. From China's point of view, there is NO intrusion. Just reclaiming her territory, one bit at a time.

    From Japan's point of view, it is definitely called 'intrusion'.

    Therefore, I do not take side, I just write it as 'intrusion' and let others judge, but as usual, for pro Japanese it is intrusions, not doubt about it, but from pro China side it is not an intrusion at all. Get it?

  • -12

    Tony Ew

    @nigelboyMay. 03, 2013 - 05:57AM JST

    For example I support Japan on Kuriles and Dokkdo islands, make you happy now?

    Good. Perhaps you can take Japan's example on how to handle those two territorial disputes in that Japan does not infringe upon their "administered" territory on a daily basis like China. Another thing that they have in common is that for both territories, Japan had asked both of them to settle this via International Court of Justice. Perhaps China can start there?

    You have connections to people in China? Ask them to put in your idea to Mr Xi. Why do you think China map out the Okinawa Trough and Japan protest loudly when China submit it to the UN for review? China is making an orderly process to strengthen her claim when she think the time is ripe to present to ICJ. This is off topic so I won't dwell any further.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20730880

  • 4

    oedo1

    @Tony

    I wrote " 'intrusion' ", not "intrusion". See the difference? If you can't I cannot help you.

    It doesn't seem I'm the one needing help with reading/writing here, Tony.

    However, it doesn't matter how China "justifies" their intrusions, or even how the party being "intruded upon" sees it for that matter, the world sees it as illegal.

    If you broke into a bank to reclaim the your money that had been entrusted to that bank you would still find your butt in prison, no? That's because such things are ILLEGAL!

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  • -13

    Tony Ew

    @oedo1May. 03, 2013 - 06:21AM JST

    @Tony

    I wrote " 'intrusion' ", not "intrusion". See the difference? If you can't I cannot help you.

    It doesn't seem I'm the one needing help with reading/writing here, Tony.

    However, it doesn't matter how China "justifies" their intrusions, or even how the party being "intruded upon" sees it for that matter, the world sees it as illegal.

    If you broke into a bank to reclaim the your money that had been entrusted to that bank you would still find your butt in prison, no? That's because such things are ILLEGAL!

    Simplistic thinking! The bank analogy holds no water because there is NO dispute involved. In China/Japan Senkaku/Diaoyu islands case, there is DISPUTE over ownership so what one claim to be intrusion is not so when viewed from the other side. Enough said and if it don't relates to nationalism topic I won't respond any further.

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    sfjp330

    Tony Ew May. 03, 2013 - 06:34AM JST implistic thinking! The bank analogy holds no water because there is NO dispute involved. In China/Japan Senkaku/Diaoyu islands case, there is DISPUTE over ownership so what one claim to be intrusion is not so when viewed from the other side. Enough said and if it don't relates to nationalism topic I won't respond any further.

    Then, why did Taiwan follow the treaty? Following the 1895 Treaty of Shimonoseki, Japan exercised sovereignty over Taiwan and held title to its territory. Unfortunately, the Treaty of Shimonoseki reveals no clauses which would allow such a unilateral cancellation, either by the Qing Dynasty, or by a successor dynasty, or a non-dynasty, such as a republic. Certainly, the Chinese statement of the cancellation of the Treaty of Shimonoseki was not recognized by Japan, other countries, or by any other international bodies. Nor are there any international court cases on record which recognize the validity of such a unilateral cancellation.

    Validity of the 1895 Treaty. A treaty which involves a cession of territory is "unequal" by definition. A treaty in which a defeated State is forced to cede a territory is necessarily unequal because the defeated State is not in an equal bargaining position with the victorious State. The defeated State cedes the territory to end the war and save the State. The term "unequal treaty" is a political concept rather than a legal term recognized in international law.

    Source: www.taiwandocuments.org

  • 1

    globalwatcher

    Tony EwMay. 03, 2013 - 01:35AM JST

    @globalwatcherMay. 03, 2013 - 12:41AM JST

    For the safety of these American Chinese intellectuals, I rather do not want to reveal these names. Some of them are in university academic arena.

  • -14

    Tony Ew

    @globalwatcher

    The term "unequal treaty" is a political concept rather than a legal term recognized in international law.

    There is some validity to your viewpoint. However this being human nature, the victor or stronger party if she sees fit will 'Jew the other party down'

    So there you have it, China is 'Jewing the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands' down Japanese throat by constantly patrolling around the disputed islands, perceiving herself in a position to do so. What is Japan going to do about it?

    Remember China did not inflame the dispute to cause her to take this New Stance, her Opening Chess Move so to speak until being forced to do so by the ingenuity of Noda/Ishihara.

    I did mention this is an unsolvable problem for two sumo wrestlers of more or less equal strength. That is why I said after the Japanese upcoming election, I suspect Abe will soften his stance and sound out China to resume the joint oil/gas exploration which China had being calling on Japan to do so all along! IT WAS JAPAN'S INTERNAL POLITICS that prevent such oil/gas exploration all these years! THAT is caused by nationalist fervor in Japan.

    At that point after the elections, the nationalists in Japan will be screaming murder at Abe, but by then they will find out they are just an expendable evil given the boot. Maybe because I write this, they are going to ask Abe to promise in blood not to sell out Japan.

    Adios nationalists!

  • -5

    sfjp330

    nigelboy May. 03, 2013 - 05:57AM JST Perhaps you can take Japan's example on how to handle those two territorial disputes in that Japan does not infringe upon their "administered" territory on a daily basis like China.

    Maybe China can take Japan's examples and send three lawmakers to travel close to Senkaku/Daioyu Islands. Japan sent three Japanese lawmakers in the summer of 2011, Yoshitaka Shindo, Tomomi Inada and Masahisa Sato, all from Japan’s LDP, of their plan to travel close to Dokdo islands claimed by South Korea and Japan. The trio then made a confrontation in South Korea Airport with a big scene, being arrogant, and refused for hours to board a return flight home.

  • 3

    nigelboy

    You have connections to people in China? Ask them to put in your idea to Mr Xi. Why do you think China map out the Okinawa Trough and Japan protest loudly when China submit it to the UN for review? China is making an orderly process to strengthen her claim when she think the time is ripe to present to ICJ. This is off topic so I won't dwell any further.

    As to China's recent submission to Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, the commission itself does not decide territorial disputes nor does the decisions handed down effect the soverignty issue of Senkaku. As to disputes involving CLCS, it's heard by International Tribunal for the Law of Sea (ITLOS). In this matter, there was a case last year between Myanmar and Bangladesh in regards to the maritime boundary in the Bay of Bengal but the court pretty much decided that the equidistant line would be observed when there is an overlapping EEZ. Hence, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that China won't be able to exercize their rights beyond the median line. (i.e. status quo where equidistant line is observed between mainland China and Senkaku) Hence, Japan objected to China's CLCS application simply because their extension request infringes on Japan's EEZ. Therefore, under UNCLOS, when such request overlaps as in this case, the law specifically states that you need a official consent from the other party (meaning Japan which China has not gotten a permission).

    In other words, China has it backwards in that they first must establish the soverignty of Senkaku which involves ICJ. For reference in regards to Japan's objections.

    Japan's note verbale in regards to China's recent application to CLCS

    http://www.un.org/Depts/los/clcsnew/submissionsfiles/chn6312/jpnrechn28122012.pdf

    It cites Article 83 of UNCLOS and paragraph 5(a) of Annex I of Rules and Procedures of CLCS. (i.e. within International Law)

    China's response.

    http://www.un.org/Depts/los/clcsnew/submissionsfiles/chn6312/chnrejpn0701_2013e.pdf

    Cites "the Law of the People's Republic of China on the Territorial Sea and the Contiguos Zone". (Chinese own domestic law.

    In addition, this is what civilized nations do when there may be a possible overlapping territories when applying for extension of Continental shelf.

    http://www.un.org/Depts/los/clcs_new/submissions_files/jpn08/usa_22dec08.pdf

    http://www.un.org/Depts/los/clcs_new/submissions_files/jpn08/plw_15jun09.pdf

    Again, I thank you for giving me the opportunity for presenting an example of what China should do.

  • -13

    Tony Ew

    Ladies and gentlemen,

    This article on this site I mentioned earlier on Reuters about Abe's attempt to change the Constitution is nicely tied to Japan's rise in nationalism. This is Abe's scheme to create tensions with China to make LDP more popular so more Japanese vote for him to help him change the Constitution. Remember again in an ordinary situation he cannot garner enough vote since changing a Constitution requires a lot more % to do it, so every vote he can get, through Abenomics, whipped up nationalism, these are his one two punch to get over the hump to stifle freedom in Japan ( back to China?) and of course to remilitarise.

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/abes-stealth-constitution-plan-raises-civil-rights-fears

  • 4

    Tamarama

    Tony Ew

    Fact check: US never confer sovereignty to Japan, so stop your wild imaginations.

    I would say the burden of proof in this entire case lays with China, not Japan. Can you prove they are Chinese?

  • 3

    nigelboy

    Maybe China can take Japan's examples and send three lawmakers to travel close to Senkaku/Daioyu Islands. Japan sent three Japanese lawmakers in the summer of 2011, Yoshitaka Shindo, Tomomi Inada and Masahisa Sato, all from Japan’s LDP, of their plan to travel close to Dokdo islands claimed by South Korea and Japan. The trio then made a confrontation in South Korea Airport with a big scene, being arrogant, and refused for hours to board a return flight home.

    Sfjp330

    Your first sentence is dead wrong. Secondly, the lawmakers were planning to visit the island of Ulluengdo, a territory that is recognized as Korean by Japanese. Therefore, the Korean official's refusal for them to enter the country saids a lot about the Korean!s irrational behavior than that of Japanese lawmakers.

  • -12

    Tony Ew

    @TamaramaMay. 03, 2013 - 07:30AM JST

    Tony Ew

    Fact check: US never confer sovereignty to Japan, so stop your wild imaginations.

    I would say the burden of proof in this entire case lays with China, not Japan. Can you prove they are Chinese?

    Not going there. I don't have the arrogance to say sovereignty belongs to China when in Japan's case you just 'conclude in your own mind' administration = sovereignty for Japan. Isn't the US position telling and you just 'don't get it'?

    I would allowed however that Taiwan have more priority than China, and China have more priority than Japan in this sovereignty issue.

    Just see what nationalism is doing to Japan these days. It is even being tapped to help rewrite the Constitution. Abe is using China as the convenient bogeyman to boost his vote getting strategy.

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/abes-stealth-constitution-plan-raises-civil-rights-fears

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    oedo1

    @Tony

    Abe's attempt to change the Constitution is nicely tied to Japan's rise in nationalism. This is Abe's scheme to create tensions with China to make LDP more popular so more Japanese vote for him to help him change the Constitution.

    At least Japan allows its people to vote. This is one reason that the world is much more concerned about the raging Chinese nationalism than it is about the "rise of Japanese nationalism". In Japan a few nationalistic politicians are offset by the a democratic populous whereas the nationalistic rulers of China simply censor the public, tell them what they should think and hide the rest, and then do as they please to protect their positions. Very scary! I would still like to see a list of the countries that agree with China that the "the US should be just concerned as other countries" about Japan's nationalism, with no list and implying that they needn't worry about China?. NK doesn't count!

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    globalwatcher

    Tony EwMay. 03, 2013 - 07:16AM JST

    @globalwatcher

    The term "unequal treaty" is a political concept rather than a legal term recognized in international law.

    There is some validity to your viewpoint. However this being human nature, the victor or stronger party if she sees fit will 'Jew the other party down'

    Safety and LEGAL issues.

  • -9

    sfjp330

    oedo1 May. 03, 2013 - 08:29AM JST At least Japan allows its people to vote.

    Are these candidates and elected officials making Japan any better when you have most of these politicians going to Yasukuni to pray for Tojo and 14 Class A?

  • -12

    Tony Ew

    @oedo1

    At least Japan allows its people to vote.

    sfjp330 highlight the danger of democracy. I am not saying Communism is good. Between nationalists in China and those in Japan wouldn't it be fair to say it is scarier to have those from Japan as noted by sfjp330, you know those that still worship Tojo and the other Class A Criminals. You proud of THIS kind of nationalism?

    I can't tell if they are paying homage 'for show' to win votes to change the Constitution or are really really nationalists in their hearts. If they are really really nationalists, I am afraid Japan is going to reprise her pre WWII situation, acts of a desperate country short of natural resources, then she starts to do evil acts you cannot even imagine.

  • 0

    ka_chan

    "The draft deletes a guarantee of basic human rights and prescribes duties, such as submission to an undefined "public interest and public order". The military would be empowered to maintain that "public order.""

    Hmm, Abe, secretly admiring the Communist system?

    This indicates fascism, similar to pre-1945 Japan. As for the US being concerned with Japanese nationalism, I don't think so but the US may be concerned that Japanese nationalism is turning into ultra-nationalism. But in the bigger scheme of thing, probably the US is more concerned with cyber-attacks from China and Russia. And as much as Japan is showing it's pre-WWII obsession with fascism, Russia is also showing it's own inclination to fascism.

    The main problem with the island dispute is that neither country will go to the international courts to settle the matter. I guess both Japan and China does not trust the rest or the world. Then again, the real argument is about the history among Japan, China, Korea, Taiwan, and Russia.

    Here is the editorial that someone refer to earlier: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/shinzo-abes-inability-to-face-history/2013/04/26/90f5549c-ae87-11e2-a986-eec837b1888b_story.html

    I find the comments telling as well as: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/japan-faces-history-with-humility-and-remorse/2013/04/30/5cd6c6b0-b0de-11e2-9fb1-62de9581c946_story.html

  • 4

    oedo1

    @sfjp

    I doubt that the representitives of the US Forces Japan that visited Yasukuni were there to "prey for Tojo and the 14 class A", and a don't believe you can speak for the thoughts of others either. Nice deflection though, but my comment was about the world's concern in regard to nationalists with total control in a communist state vs politicians in a democratic state. Which is more believeable, state controlled media with severe censorship or open discussion in the international arena. Even with attempts by China to stimulate talk of "rising nationalism" in Japan in an attempt to cover their own nationistic and expantionistic desires I think most of the sane world is clear on which is of the greater concern!

  • -11

    Tony Ew

    @oedo1May. 03, 2013 - 09:03AM JST

    @sfjp

    I doubt that the representitives of the US Forces Japan that visited Yasukuni were there to "prey for Tojo and the 14 class A", and a don't believe you can speak for the thoughts of others either. Nice deflection though, but my comment was about the world's concern in regard to nationalists with total control in a communist state vs politicians in a democratic state. Which is more believeable, state controlled media with severe censorship or open discussion in the international arena. Even with attempts by China to stimulate talk of "rising nationalism" in Japan in an attempt to cover their own nationistic and expantionistic desires I think most of the sane world is clear on which is of the greater concern!

    See China for what she is, a group of technocrats running the country vs politicians in Japan who is fanning nationalist flame to get votes.

    China don't need excuses to get more votes because their system is orderly, structured as seen in last Oct leadership transition every ten years. They make backroom deals to choose their leaders. You can sneer at their system of governance, but hey, they are efficient and they sacrifice democracy, suspend it for a while, just call it a detour and they will give their citizens more democracy real soon with less destablizing interference from outsiders. It is not easy for outsiders to understand but you have to understand there is NO NEED for China to whip up nationalistic fervor. People get angry for a while and subside, go back to work, not like Japan where there are actually nationalist political groups with 24/7 365 days a year agendas to push their narrow agenda that is Harmful for their country. Not so in China. The leadership's agenda is what they see is best for the country, no need further nonsense from other's opinions except those that are in their inner group of decision makers.

    The leadership in China do Patriotic deeds for their country's good and there is NO nationalist group that I know of to Hijack the govt's foreign policy as in Japan's case eg Ishihara. Hope you see the distinction between China and Japan and stop using nationalist words liberally on China when you don't understand how their system works.

  • 0

    neobios

    I believe China is not that worry about rising Japanese nationalism but some have got overacted by such comments which are more of advice rather than demand towards US which has influence on Japan in some way or another. It mentioned that US to take note of the current issue and avoid heating it up after more than 100 lawmakers visiting the shrine and 10 boats protesting near the islands.

    There is a cause for every reason but I'm shocked at the readers here bashing China like there's no tomorrow even though this is a Japanese new site. I'm from Malaysia and yes I do concerned about Japan's nationalism not as a threat but isolation towards others mainly South Korea and China.

  • 4

    toannds

    Tony:

    The leadership in China do Patriotic deeds for their country's good and there is NO nationalist group that I know of to Hijack the govt's foreign policy as in Japan's case eg Ishihara. Hope you see the distinction between China and Japan and stop using nationalist words liberally on China when you don't understand how their system works.

    Not sure why they need to hijack the govt's foreign policy if the policy serve them well? Both the government and billions are nationalists and expansionists already :D That's the distinction between China and Japan. Reading all your posts in JT, I keep wondering if you are working for the China's Communist Party because you do the propaganda for it quite well.

  • 3

    toannds

    Tony:

    sfjp330 highlight the danger of democracy. China don't need excuses to get more votes because their system is orderly, structured as seen in last Oct leadership transition every ten years. They make backroom deals to choose their leaders. The leadership's agenda is what they see is best for the country, no need further nonsense from other's opinions except those that are in their inner group of decision makers.

    Yeah, all others'opinions are nonsense. That's why there's only "tanks" and "cannons" in Chinese leaders dictionary, not "negotiation" or "democracy". No wonder why Global Time on Oct 2011 said: "If these countries don't want to change their ways with China, they will need to prepare for the sounds of cannons. We need to be ready for that, as it may be the only way for the disputes in the sea to be resolved".

    Do we really need to care the nationalism in Japan, laughing-stock ambassador?

  • 6

    SamuraiBlue

    This is just PRC's Pych tactics to spook the general populous that the Japanese bogey man is coming. To make it had as possible for Japan to change her constitution.

    PRC does not want Japan to renounce article 9 because if Japan does then Japan obtains the right to retaliate if and when PRC decides to attack. I believe at this moment PRC believes that even if they invade Senkaku the chances of retaliation to their own land is slim when battle area is isolated to the Senkaku islands since the US would not readily want to expand it to a full blown war with PRC and would want to contain it at Senkaku even if they are required to engage. In which case PRC has the edge to either prolong the battle or end it while the US and Japan can only anticipate the next move. This scenario only comes into play while article 9 is in place, without it Japan may take the initiative and retaliate on military ports and airstrips to ensure end of battle in which case it will become more difficult for PRC to engage without insurance that it will not expand out of control.

    In other words PRC doesn't want a full blown war but wants to maintain option for an isolated battle when they have modernized their navy to ensure success to capture the islands.

  • 5

    oedo1

    @Tony

    See China for what she is, a group of technocrats running the country

    Correct me if I'm mistaken, but haven't six of the seven members of the new Politburo Standing Committee studied humanities and are not, by definition, technocrats? True a break from the last group but, in any case, you'll have to memorize a new story now! If they can no longer be classified as "technocratic" maybe "nationalistic" works for you now?

  • 4

    SamuraiBlue

    There is no such thing as a 50/50 split it's Japan's sovereign territory and PRC is not going to gain a milimeter of it.

  • 0

    Jerome_from_Utah

    Earth to Middle Kingdom: Take a tape measure to the map. Those islands are closer to Japanese territory than anything else. Next, please note the nut-job just across the Yalu River from you. Do the world a favor and solve that problem before Fatty* Kim does something stupid. *[Kim's nickname inside China.]

  • 6

    Tamarama

    Tony Ew

    Not going there. I don't have the arrogance to say sovereignty belongs to China when in Japan's case you just 'conclude in your own mind' administration = sovereignty for Japan. Isn't the US position telling and you just 'don't get it'?

    I think that's because you can't make a good case for Chinese sovereignty, as opposed to you not wanting to.

    And yet...

    I would allowed however that Taiwan have more priority than China, and China have more priority than Japan in this sovereignty issue.

    you couldn't help yourself after all. Care to explain why you think so?

  • -1

    virgo98

    There is a typical joke on Japanese that it is truly difficult to get Japanese mad. Even dropping atomic bombs or kidnapping Japanese citizens could not make it.

    You did a great job, China and Korea. At last you could make Japanese people angry. That's the last straw. It is very tough to see from outside as Japanese anger is calm and deep, as being called a silent claimer. Japanese never complain, but never come back. Just ignorance.

    I think you have already noticed, haven't you?

    Decreasing trade, decreasing tourists, just because we hate you.

  • -7

    Redcliff

    It is interesting to read a lot of anti-China comments here some with relevant input others are just plain illogical and irrelevant comments only following the mass to denounce China without having a thought as to whether China did assist Japan to become a economy power in the 1980s. Sure China needs to improve and it has a long way to go. At the same time do look at the US's and Japan's backyard and sincerely look at individual country problems.

    Let me refer a comment by a current Journalist based in Australia in his dealing with Japan and the West in the 198s while he was a young business executive.

    He commented that the 1985 Plaza Accord by the American and the European was to limit the rise of Japan economy . The European Trade Policy was to limit Japanese export to Europe. To overcome this Japan products with made in Japan would have to source their components from countries like Singapore and Hong Kong then, Not that the Japanese components were inferior far from it their products were of high quality but to ensure that their products made in Japan could sell they have to infuse other countries component to make sure they passed the stringent European Trade Policy. Japan was able to crawl out of the unfavourable 1985 Plaza Accord and grows its economy after a two decade of stagnation was the positive engagement with a rapidly rising China. Therefore you all might like to give a thought as to which country really pull Japan out of this miserable 1985 Plaza Accord and help Japan to become an economic power and which countries tried hard to stop Japan from doing so.

  • 5

    SecularBeast

    @Redcliff - don't want to pop your bubble, but Japan was already #2 in the world economy by the early to mid 1970s. Since the late 1970s, Japan has pumped trillions of Yen into China in 'development aid' to help them develop a 'capitalist style' economy and infrastructure - and of course that's been good for Japanese businesses.

  • 6

    Tamarama

    Not to mention that the business that was so beneficial to Japan was also equally beneficial to China as well, and has no doubt played a big role in their rise over the last few decades.

  • -7

    Redcliff

    @ SecularBeast

    You should read the event during the 1970s and 1980s when China and Japan execute Friendship Agreements as well as others before you really dismissed my comments and also for your own good information do learn some facts during this period. China and Japan was only opened up in the mid to late 1970s and only in the 1980s when Japan began to invest heavily in China thus pushing and expanding its trade with other nations by using China as the manufacturing hub for its goods and this relates to the two decades of stagnation prior to the 1980s. Read the Plaza Accord and the European Trade Policy during that period. They might clear up some of your misunderstanding.

  • -6

    Redcliff

    @ Nigelboy

    I refer to your comments regading China recent submission to Commission on limits of the Continental Shelf and your sighting of Myammar/Bangladesh case in regards to their maritime boundaries and also your argument of the concept of equidistant.

    ITLOS and ICJ view every case differently In the Libya/Malta case the ICJ consider the distant as the criteria even though the Continental Shelf was the main factor. If you are referring Senkaku/ Diaoyu Island and argued that the equidistant should be the predominant and that China's argument that it should be the equadistant then the ICJ apart from both parties presentation will also has to consider the geograhical feature and this is at the heart of the delimitation process. It also has to consider the distant criteria. Which ever you put it The Continental Shelf Prolongation, the deep Okinawa Trench as thye natural boundary and the distant of Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands from Taiwan(120Nm and Okinawa(230)Nm show the disputed Island is in favour of China.

  • -7

    Redcliff

    @ Jerome from Utah

    Earth to Jerome from Utah, Please help Jerome to measure the distant of Senkaku/Diaoyu Island from Taiwan (120 from the Disputed Island) and Okinawa(250Nm from the disputed Island) so that he will not confuse himself again. Thank you.

  • 8

    JanesBlonde

    As one can clearly see even on JT boards, Chinese Netizen's who live on 'Information" feed to them from the Chinese Communist Party and have never lived outside of China have a completely skewed view of the world of politics, especially when it comes to Japan and Tibet.

    Whilst working for a huge multi-national company I did weekly conference calls to a new, young employee based in Beijing. She was great until one day the Dali Lama was mentioned, to which she went off calling him "a terrorist" and someone who wanted to "over throw" (whatever that means) China. Needless to say the conference came to a halt.

    When we eventually transferred her to the Singapore she a bit shocked to say the least. So now only cares for shopping, dating, holidaying ("Shopping in Japan is amazing") and going to the movies and laughs about her previous comments.

    Unfortunately there are still millions of young Chinese with her original perception and attitude.

  • -7

    Redcliff

    @ Taramara

    Your reply to Tony Ew on the Sovereignty case indicates to me that you can put up a good case for the rightful owner. I like to hear it from you.

  • 5

    SamuraiBlue

    Redcliff

    Your argument is completely void since;

    Past treaties indicate that Japan posses administration of the islands.

    Ishigaki isles are as close to Senkaku as Taiwan

    Taiwan had accepted Japan's fishing treaties meaning Taiwan accepts Japan's administration of Senkaku isles.

  • 6

    JoeBigs

    Oh please the nationalism that every nation in the Pacific is concerned about if the PRC's.

    If anyone has watched any shows coming out of that loonie bin they would have seen some crazy stuff.

    The singers sing nationalistic songs, the national TV shows spouts nationalist bunk and the tv shows are straight out of Goebbels handbook, oh wait not Goebbels handbook Mao's little red book.

    Nationalists usually point fingers a others trying to hide thier sickness.

    The PRC is the greatest modern threat to world peace.

    It's time to break it up and rebuild it into something positive rather than what it is today!

  • -9

    Redcliff

    @ SamralBlue

    1 Administration Right is not Sovereignty 2 What is the Distant of Ishigaki to Senkaku/Diaouyu Island and where is this island in relation to the Okinawa Deep Trench 3 Fishing Treaty and Sovereignty are of two issuse. Historical Fishing Rights is honor and considered in any ITLOS as a case to be heard.

  • 4

    mumume

    @ Redcliff

    1 Administration Right is not Sovereignty

    So if you agree that Japan has administrative rights how do you justify China's illegal intrusions around the islands? That provocation alone is enough to justify, under international law, firing on the intruders. A war is not in the best interest of anyone but China keeps pushing trying to instigate something... stupid!

  • 4

    nigelboy

    ITLOS and ICJ view every case differently In the Libya/Malta case the ICJ consider the distant as the criteria even though the Continental Shelf was the main factor. If you are referring Senkaku/ Diaoyu Island and argued that the equidistant should be the predominant and that China's argument that it should be the equadistant then the ICJ apart from both parties presentation will also has to consider the geograhical feature and this is at the heart of the delimitation process. It also has to consider the distant criteria. Which ever you put it The Continental Shelf Prolongation, the deep Okinawa Trench as thye natural boundary and the distant of Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands from Taiwan(120Nm and Okinawa(230)Nm show the disputed Island is in favour of China.

    It doesn't. Read Article 83 of UNCLOS and paragraph 5(a) of Annex I of Rules and Procedures of CLCS.

  • 4

    SamuraiBlue

    Redcliff

    Sovereign right is justified through IJC, has PRC applied appealed to ICJ?

    I don' think so. Come back when they do. Until then your argument is meaningless as PRC's.

  • 5

    toannds

    JanesBlonde: She opened her eyes :)

    Tony: You can see that power without opposition is dangerous and a good way to nurture nationalism. That's the lesson that human kind learn through history. It is no point to defend China's ambassador's silly comment. It became laughing stock because it is his country that people around worry about, not Japan. China is what Japan was in its shameful past!

  • 3

    lachance

    Yes, we in the US are concerned that this is not happening fast enough.

    Japan needs to prepare for war, including the same nuclear ballistic arsenal possessed by China, if only to deter their use of such weapons and to engage simply in conventional warfare.

    The PRC is determined to keep pushing Japan to the edge. Much sooner than you think, you will have to respond with force. And with force, you will need sustainability to survive a 75-day to three-month war. In short, China needs to be defeated using a blitzkrieg strategy before the PLA ever learns the art and sacrifice of war.

    Take your young men, who are wasting away in their parents' homes without the drive to find themselves women but who play endless rounds of video games, and put them in uniform where they will learn strict discipline, fostered of fear of the cadre and pride in being Japanese. It is time for a re-invasion of China.

  • -1

    whosthetyrant

    The big bully is trying to get Japan's big brother to let the bully get away with it s robbery.
    They don't call Communist thugs nationalists, but that is exactly what they are... where they demand everyone love their government or else. But more like the thugs in mafia who just kill their enemies, like the Obama regime is now doing. In the US the horror stories are beginning to leak... the gov. controlled and paid for years the Boston bombers or alleged bombers. Will they cover up the truth and investigation like they did 9/11 and Oklahoma City. They already have. The FBI told the reporters.. Do NOT look at any other photos , only the ones we show you... because there are photos of them practicing for the bombing, and other incriminating evidence The US is become China s boy

  • -5

    John Master

    @lachance I laughed so hard at your comment. What you are talking about is a mandatory military service, which is the topic that Japanese people love to use to make fun of Koreans.

  • -6

    bannedacctsam

    China says US should be concerned about Japanese nationalism......

    AS AN AMERICAN, I AGREE.

  • 4

    Kazuaki Shimazaki

    Japan was able to crawl out of the unfavourable 1985 Plaza Accord and grows its economy after a two decade of stagnation was the positive engagement with a rapidly rising China.

    Japan was stagnating between 1965 and 1985? If anything, the problem (from the Western point of view) is that the Japanese are growing too fast and this is perceived to be "at the West's cost" because of biases in the structure. From their POV, the Plaza Accords and Co are an attempt to rebalance the situation.

    ITLOS and ICJ view every case differently In the Libya/Malta case the ICJ consider the distant as the criteria even though the Continental Shelf was the main factor. If you are referring Senkaku/ Diaoyu Island and argued that the equidistant should be the predominant and that China's argument that it should be the equadistant then the ICJ apart from both parties presentation will also has to consider the geograhical feature and this is at the heart of the delimitation process. It also has to consider the distant criteria. Which ever you put it The Continental Shelf Prolongation, the deep Okinawa Trench as thye natural boundary and the distant of Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands from Taiwan(120Nm and Okinawa(230)Nm show the disputed Island is in favour of China.

    Continental Shelf Prolongation is a useful tool for determining the boundaries for underwater resource exploitation. It is hardly useful for determining the disputes of above-water rocks.

  • -9

    Seiharinokaze

    Beware of Abe's feigned allegiance, China advises America for old time's sake (they were allies and now they are G2 as one being the greatest financier to the other). Revision of the Constitution and doubt on the jurisdiction/judgment of the Far East Tribunal is not so much for Japan to have the ability to exercise the rights of collective defense (who in the heck cares what would happen to Koreans) as the ability to defend Japan on its own. Don't let Japan get independent as a normal country. That's for the mutual benefit of China and America.

  • -5

    billyshears

    I see Tony Ews comments received quite a lot of "thumbs down" judgements, I would guess from trying to defend Chinas US ambassador's somewhat ludicrous comments. However, we should be in no doubt about Abe's intentions. This is from an editorial from the April 28th. edition of the Washington Post:

    Last month, the Cabinet approved a plan by the ruling party to designate April 28 as Japan’s “sovereignty recovery” day, and Sunday’s ceremony was the first government-sponsored event to mark the day. Similar events were previously held privately among ultra-conservative lawmakers, mainly from Abe’s Liberal Democratic Party, and their right-wing supporters.

    Sunday’s proceedings were filled with nationalistic rituals considered symbols of the imperial warship that drove Japan to its 20th century aggression in Asia. The ceremony started with the singing of the controversial national anthem “Kimigayo” (”His Majesty’s Reign”), and ended with “Banzai!” cheers for Emperor Akihito. There also was a huge rising sun decoration on the center stage.

    During the ceremony, Abe urged Japanese to mark the day in their hearts, pledging to make Japan a stronger country full of national pride. He said that 61 years ago, Japanese had high hopes and were committed to making a better Japan, adding that people today must live up to the expectations.

    “We are obliged to make Japan strong and tough so our country becomes one that the rest of the world can count on,” Abe said. He said he was seeking to make Japan a better and more “beautiful nation,” a favorite phrase of his, but one critics say has a nationalistic undertone. The ceremony, held at a parliamentary museum in Tokyo, was the latest in a series of nationalistic events and remarks that have invited harsh reactions from neighboring countries that suffered from Japan’s wartime aggression.

    Keio University political scientist Morihide Katayama said the event was part of Abe’s “cheap gimmick” to build unity under nationalistic symbols, such as the national flag, anthem and military. In an interview published Saturday in the Asahi newspaper, he said the ceremony was meant to convince the public that there is no real independence for Japan without revising the occupation-imposed constitution.

    http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-04-28/world/38885631_1_ceremony-world-war-ii-yasukuni-shrine

  • -1

    bombaykitty

    Nationalism at it's extreme is always incredibly damaging, regardless of the country. Nationalism coming from any country at full force ought to be cautioned. Particularly in today's world where all the countries are intermingling. Instead of focusing on which country we're from we should focus more on the fact that we're all human beings first. I'm Canadian and I'm Chinese, but before that I'm a human being, so anything that causes a negative impact to humans anywhere in this world I am against.

  • 2

    lucabrasi

    @kitty

    Interesting. Most Canadians I've met would say "I'm Canadian, but before that, I'm 100% NOT American....

  • 1

    Sentiments

    billyshears. You present many semi-convincing opinions on Japan and Abe. They could all be relevant or just worries from concerned people. Im not convinced that Abes urge for a changed Japan is anything more than a man worried of the current situation in his country. As any other leader in the same situation he needs to find ways to try to build up hope again, a sense of identity and dignity. The ongoing economic crisis has been tough for many Japanese and many has been somewhat depressed over lack of a belief in the future. Now would that equal the same kind of nationalism that we know existed 70 years ago? I think not. To many things in Japan has changed over time. A more possible outcome of Abes attempts is a bigger democratic engagement and hopefully a better sense of identity and pride over their own culture. He may change the constitution but then again why not? It may also be a relic from a long time ago. Im sure the japanese people will stop any, however unlikely, attempts to rebuild pre-war nationalism.

  • 1

    Chamkun

    Japan was clearly the one acting provocatively over the islands, not China, he added.

    LOL!!! The 40 jet fighters and 8 war ships on the 23rd of April from China in the Japan territory. The radar lock system was used by China to Japanese Ships at Japan territory based on the International laws.China set the Unilateral Maritime law which has got some conflict with the international law. Who is acting provocatively? If China really thinks Senkaku is China, do not use the force but fight with a civilized way. Use the law. Go to ICJ.

  • 2

    oedo1

    China says U.S. should be concerned about Japanese nationalism

    AND THE REST OF THE WORLD SAYS

    The world says EVERYONE should be concernerd about Chinese nationalism

  • 0

    John Occupythemoon Daly

    Except that, in this case, China is right. China is pretty crazy, but Japan hasn't exactly been too smart recently. They're overextending from a position that isn't nearly as strong as they think it is. I don't think anything will come of it, but you can only poke a big kid with a stick so many times before he turns around and hits you, even if your big friend is saying he has your back. Diplomacy is key right now, and man.... adding fuel to the fire is not a good call, for either side.

  • -4

    Bob Sneider

    not just the USA, the japanese citizens should be concerned as well. Too many people who agree with a rewrite of the constitution

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