Japan summons China envoy to protest ships in disputed waters

In the meeting on Tuesday, Saiki "strongly protested over the Chinese public vessels' entry and staying for a long time inside Japanese territorial waters, as well as strongly demanded that such incidents do not happen again," the foreign ministry statement said.

Don't just lodge a protest. Hand the Chinese ambassador a copy of the government document from 1950 and remind the ambassador that China originally considered the Senkaku (Sento) islands to be a part of the Yaeyama islands.

Don't just lodge a protest. Hand the Chinese ambassador a copy of the government document from 1950 and remind the ambassador that China originally considered the Senkaku (Sento) islands to be a part of the Yaeyama islands.

No Point - The Chinese Communist Party have magic powers which makes them see everything differently.

"There is no 1950's paper ... Tibet was never a country ..... Our children enjoy the same human rights as those in Europe and the USA, .... that's because we can afford to send them discretely to Oxford and Yale Universities etc"

”Japanese car sales fall in 2012 amid island spat," and yet, Abe is spatting again. Please give them half of the island. Reach a compromise Abe.

The ONLY reason Japan wants improved relations with China is because of how madly car sales and other things China imports or that Japan does manufacturing in China, but beyond that it's all nationalistic nonsense and clearly nothing has changed.

If Tokyo and Beijing TRULY want to approve relations, Abe's got to completely change his character his words, and his actions, and Beijing has got to reign in the ridiculous protests and acts of violence. I can't see how Abe thinks visiting Yasukuni, white-washing textbooks, denying sexual slavery, wishing to rescind an apology, beefing up defense spending (which specific regard to China's rise), pacts with India and Australia (once again, in regards to China), and saying you're going to 'take a hard line against China' and won't budge on the island issue will help him improve ties? Hell, China even said it was willing to meet halfway on some things! Japan? "This is what we are going to do. Now please cooperate".

China's actions do absolutely nothing to help the situation either, of course, but they are RESPONSES.

Japan summon Chinese Ambassidor, China summon Japanese Ambassidor.... the loop continues.

JaneBlonde: Yes, Tibet was a country as was Hawaii, Guam, Okinawa, Alexander's Empire..... countries and boarders change for many barbaric reasons.

since its disputed, whats there to protest...:shrug:

”Japanese car sales fall in 2012 amid island spat," and yet, Abe is spatting again. Please give them half of the island. Reach a compromise Abe.

China are like a child that's throwing a tantrum. You give them something as a compromise and they will notice that throwing tantrums will get them something so they will keep throwing more tantrums to get more.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results - Albert Einstein.

Like what smithinjapan has said, China is pretty much responses and Japan ought to think of something else if they truly wish to see a different response.

Upper-middle class consumers in China understand quality, that's why sales have "plummeted" but not "fallen to zero", would you really want to drive Dongfeng or Geely over a Toyota, Honda or Mitsubishi? The consumers are wisening up - you have to pay for quality. Cars are no different.

Here we go again. This will keep going on forever unless Japan comes down harder.

would you really want to drive Dongfeng or Geely over a Toyota, Honda or Mitsubishi? The consumers are wisening up - you have to pay for quality. Cars are no different.

No way! I'd rather die than change a car made by Toyota, Mazda, Honda, Mitsubishi to chinese-built Dongfeng. When I see any device with a label "Made in Japan" I know that this is a product of High Quality. Plain and simple. I was raised in deepest respect to Japan, Japanese culture, Japanese people and, of course, Japanese technologies in general. All home consumer electronic devices in my home are made in Japan. Chinese are masters of a cheap counterfeit.

Its about time the appropriate diplomat was summoned for a good tongue lashing. Soon communist china will realize they aren't dealing with Japanese socialists anymore and their ships will scurry back home.

Some readers here would have us believe that communist china only responds and therefore must be excused for her extremely bad behavior. However anyone with eyes can see that the communists are the real global threat at this point. In the last decade they have worked tirelessly through indoctrination of the youth and whitewashing of textbooks to ramp up domestic hatred of their neighbors, encouraging violent demonstrations and the destruction of foreign property whenever possible. They have developed hawkish plans to increase their navy and launched their first aircraft carrier (borrowed technology of course) last year to great fanfare and waving of Mao portraits. They have signed deals with such world pariah states as Zimbabwe and Pakistan, all the while keeping their best friend North Korea close in case she is needed (to shoot off a missile or something). They continue to plunder what is left of Africa's natural resources and hold other countries hostage with their influence in the rare metals/minerals market. And finally they continue to rip off technology left and right while engaging in the most serious forms of internet hacking, scams and piracy.

If your most belligerent neighbor looked like that, what would you do if he started parking his car on the corner of your lawn? That's right, you'd have him in for a chat and tell him to keep to his own property - just as the LDP have properly done here . Bravo.

Hidingout....that was actually quite well put!

A message to the Pro-Chinese.

The islands were clearly and legally left in the hands of Japan after the war. China did not defeat Japan the US did and the US handed the islands back to Japan.

China is only shooting herself in the international image foot by bullying Japan, The Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam with her unreasonable territorial claims. Painting yourself as an aggressor is good for those of us who know that your intentions are dangerous. Thus the increasing shift of US policy to Asia. Do keep in mind you will have Australia, NZ, Japan, the US and others on the opposite side of any conflict. China, you don't have the technology or the capacity to take on and win against this kind of opposition.

China your own people increasingly doubt your approach to politics internally. Your efforts to distract them with these conflicts against your "old enemies" will not work forever. Working Chinese know they are being screwed by the tiny elite rich created by your recent prosperity. You can try to hide their protests and uprisings, but the news always gets out and their cause is gaining more and more global attention.

Your new elite do not want a war either. It is in their best interests to sell things to Japan not go to war with her over islands. Same goes for the rest of the nations you try to alienate.

Bottom line..... China's regional claims are BS, everyone knows this and everyone will resist it. If China's leaders are idiotic enough to pursue this path it will just end up in the decline of your own nation in a regional conflict that you cannot and will not win.

Perhaps the only real winner in that case will be Russia who are smart enough to wait and take advantage of the outcome.

Not from China or pro-China. Just stating facts and standing for what I believe it is right.

I see a lot of momentum for a "boycott china" movement. Japan? Not so much. The only people interested in boycotting Japan are fringe environmental groups that nobody gives a thought to 364 days of the year, and the communist chinese.

We'll see how well the communist boycott works out for them. Money magazine suggests losses by affiliated chinese companies are serious. Talk about a Pyrrhic victory. Wonder what the communists will do when Japan decides to relocate her factories to Myanmar and Vietnam.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/11/news/economy/japan-china-autos/index.html

This will go on until Abe relieves the Coast Guard and sends in the MSDF to patrol the Senkakus.

neobiosJan. 08, 2013 - 06:37PM JST Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results - Albert Einstein. Like what smithinjapan has said, China is pretty much responses and Japan ought to think of something else if they truly wish to see a different response.

Except that in this case China will continue to do the same thing over and over again... and in the end if will get different results.

China pulled this same stunt last year in the Philippines. They sent ships on an erratic schedule, forcing the Philippines to keep ships in the area constantly. China sent a mixture of ships, some fishing vessels, the occassional military ship, and every now and again a plane.

What's their game? It's quite simple. It costs about $ 1 000 per day for a single coast guard boat to patrol an area. A single F16 costs $ 3600 per hour (and last time Japan sent several of them for several hours!). The average fuel cost for a 29 foot angler fishing boat (far bigger than the type of fishing boats China is sending) is only about $ 90 per day.

Do the math. If Japan just had one coast guard boat on duty and China just sent one fishing boat every day by the end of a month Japan would have spent $ 30 000... and China would have spent $ 2 700... and that's assuming the fishing boat doesn't snag a few fish and sell them to offset costs.

China knows that Japan simply can't keep this up indefinitely, whereas China is spending pennies a month. Japan is losing this battle dollar by dollar. In the end Japan will either bankrupt its coastguard (or irritate the hell out of its citizenry by having to raise a special "senkakus tax"), or withdraw from the region.

The solution is very simple. Build a small concrete tower on the island. Ring it around with mines and other deterrants and put a couple of soldiers in there with sniper rifles and a few surface to air missiles. Their instructions should be simple, if any foreign boat fails to leave the area they're to fire on the engines and disable it, and if anyone comes ashore they're to be shot for invading Japanese soil. If any foreign aircraft attempts a flyover it is to be warned and shot down.

China is simply a bully. Prove that Japan is prepared to push back (in an economical and efficient fashion) and they'll throw their normal temper tantrum... and then leave and start harassing someone else.

Actually, Japan could keep this up indefinately. I expect that Japan isn't going to back down. The question is, how far will China push this?

China and Japan should just solve this issues in International Court of Justice which I believe Japan will win.

@tkoind2 Agree with you except for this part. I believe you are referring to the islands right?

China is only shooting herself in the international image foot by bullying Japan, The Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam with her unreasonable territorial claims.

I'm not sure if you have done research on Spartly and Paracel islands but China claim on those islands are legitimate unlike the Senkaku islands.

The Paracels -- or Hoang Sa Islands in Vietnamese -- have been controlled by China since 1974 but are claimed by Vietnam.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hbZ_WSV2cInDVhca4SQNQ4Qpl2bw?docId=CNG.7c99eaf6c5fb2d48dcae3b14ad0b0cff.171

In 1939 japan seized the spratly and paracel islands from china, and surrendered them back to the republic of china when the war ended in 1945.

http://books.google.com.my/books?id=taOrjN83rLEC&pg=PA124&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

According to this the filipino claim is late and spurious

http://books.google.com.my/books?id=taOrjN83rLEC&pg=PA125&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

Get rid of Article 9 and the PRC will start playing nice.

As long as it remains the PRC will continue to invade Japanese territory, next Okinawa.

Good, glad that the new government is starting out on the right foot. Be strong.

Japanese car sales fall in 2012 amid island spat," and yet, Abe is spatting again. Please give them half of the island. Reach a compromise Abe

Timtak. The islands or the land itself has little or no value. It's the EEZ and the territorial waters that access Pacific Ocean that are important. Simply giving half of islands will not accomplish anything except similar to the mess occuring in South China sea with overlapping EEZ.

I believe we've progressed as a society where we no longer tolerate using military force to intimidate an advantage in territorial disputes. If there are no bilateral agreement when it comes to the dispute (both China and Japan are not giving an inch), the proper action is to settle this through international law, mainly ICJ but it's clearly apparent that China's upper ups know they don't have a case (see House Atreides comment) so they resort to this childish tactic for losing their case in an international arena is much more embarrassing to their brainwashed population.

Hence, the best course of action is for Japan to fortify it's defense around the area more aggressively to a point where eventually China will simply not make this an issue anymore. They must know by now that the more China makes noise, it's giving Abe an upperhand to revise the constitution.

Nigelboy

Some compromise regarding the EEZ seems like a good idea.

I think that the ICJ may appear to Western to Chinese taste.