Former Marine kills 3 Baton Rouge police officers, wounds 3 others

...so what now NRA? More guns?

RIP to the three officers just trying to do their job of protecting the people. These incidents are horrendous. I can understand some people may be unhappy with the police, but the world would be a much, much worse place without the police. Anarchy is no good for anyone.

So if everyone being armed is supposed to stop killers from killing, and the police are all armed, then why aren't they able to stop the killers from killing?

I love the dimwits who have all of their hate Obama messages ready for the latest disaster. Can anyone think of one thing Congress has done to address this national problem? I'll give you a few minutes to think.

Why would they investigate a man simply out for a stroll with his rifle? Louisiana is an open carry state.

...so what now NRA? More guns?

Remember: guns good, people bad.

It wasn't a gun that killed those poor policemen, it was a (insert disparaging term here)

Obama issued a statement including:

I condemn, in the strongest sense of the word, the attack on law enforcement in Baton Rouge. ... ...I want to be clear: there is no justification for violence against law enforcement. None.

No wait for the right-wing dissemblers - where are they? late risers, r waiting for talking points?- to accuse Obama of being mealy-mouthed.

Why don't you call Obama and ask him to give up his guns first and see what happens. You want law abiding citizens to give up their guns but never asking the warmonger to stop selling or killing people all over the planet. The US will never be at peace as long as the wars for hogemony go unabated.

He wrote about his time in the Marines on his website, saying, he reached the rank of sergeant “in less than three years as one of the Corps most physically fit and disciplined Marines. During his five years as a Marine, Cosmo spent two years in Japan and did one tour in Iraq. While stationed in San Diego, California, Cosmo became a highly esteemed and sought after nutritionist and personal trainer.”

Why don't you call Obama and ask him to give up his guns first and see what happens. You want law abiding citizens to give up their guns but never asking the warmonger to stop selling or killing people all over the planet.

What are you talking about? We say that the US should stop warmongering all the time.

But ignoring that point, if you really think a citizen and the government are equivalent, you are kidding yourself.

What are you talking about? We say that the US should stop warmongering all the time.

Hillary is a warmonger. Any support or vote for her will be hypocritical of any calling for guns to confiscated.

RIP to the men in blue who were killed. Condolences to their family and friends and to all the good men and women in uniform. I hope the scum who are involved in any way in these murders are found and brought to justice and receive the worst punishments legally allowed.

I condemn, in the strongest sense of the word, the attack on law enforcement in Baton Rouge. ... ...I want to be clear: there is no justification for violence against law enforcement. None.

That's sound to me like the 'divider-in-chief' is trying to alienate the murderous cowards from those who want to abide by the law and those charged with protecting the law.

Are these acts terroristic? Or will the NRA and the extremists in the gun hugging community say the murders are being done by a militia which is protected by their skewed view of the 2nd Amendment? If the white right wing militias want to have private arsenals in case they feel the need to overthrow the government, then shouldn’t all groups, regardless of religion, ethnicity and political beliefs, be allowed to own private arsenals? It seems the NRA and its supporters don’t really care about who has the weapons as long as the number of guns and ammo sold increases.

Where’s the guy who says he’ll wear the shoe whenever there’s a gunmen led mass murder? Will he wear the shoe on police getting slaughtered just so long as he can collect and shoot guns, as long as he can continue his hobby? Where’s the fizzy thinker who says the state should not have guns, only citizens?

Why don't you call Obama and ask him to give up his guns first and see what happens. You want law abiding citizens to give up their guns but never asking the warmonger to stop selling or killing people all over the planet. The US will never be at peace as long as the wars for hogemony go unabated.

of any calling for guns to confiscated.

You decided to live in Japan willingly with no guns and you say this?

Even police have serious issues with open carry when it leads to situations like Dallas where some 20 individuals in ammo gear and protective equipment and rifles slung over their shoulder participated in the Black Lives Matter rally turned deadly. And law enforcement cannot distinguish where the shots are coming from or the gun-toting witnesses from the suspects. The convention next week in Cleveland is going to be a security nightmare. .

Hillary is a warmonger.

I'm skeptical. I think Hillary has an open ear to the desire of the people, and the people don't want any more war.

But lets just say she is a warmonger. While that would be horrible, she'd still be way more qualified to be president than the alternative.

Any support or vote for her will be hypocritical of any calling for guns to confiscated.

Not even remotely. Nice try at creating false equivalencies though.

When the streets aren't safe for police officers, then no one is safe.

History is littered with former soldiers who return, trained in weaponry and bearing whatever scars they have from their experiences - plus the personality that led them to be soldiers in the first place - and then crack, but with their skills intact. The Oklhoma bomber McVeigh was one; Micah Xavier Johnson was one; this latest was one. Care needs to be taken in attending to their psychological needs; a certain party tends to start wars without finishing them - and by "finishing," I mean a lifetime of care.

Sarah Palin's son Track has entered a plea agreement in the domestic violence case against him, stemming from an incident in January 2016 where he punched and kicked his girlfriend and threatened to kill himself with an assault rifle at the Palin home in Wasilla, Alaska. He had a blood alcohol level of 0.189 at the time. He will only be charged with misconduct involving weapons in the fourth degree, and the other two charges will be dropped. The deal requires him to attend an "alcohol-related" (not PTSS or violence management) treatment program, and the final charge will be expunged from his record once he completes the program - which means he gets his guns back.

That's the way America rolls, baby, as Sarah would say.

The NRA and gun-nuts have been going on for years about how the people need guns in order to be able to rise up against the police if/when they become disenfranchised.

This guy did exactly that. The gun nuts have succeeded in their goal.

Even police have serious issues with open carry when it leads to situations like Dallas

As they should. As everyone should.

When the streets aren't safe for police officers, then no one is safe.

Which is why guns need to be eliminated.

Hillary is a warmonger. Any support or vote for her will be hypocritical of any calling for guns to confiscated.

Warmonger in deed. Also Hillary is lucky in that her guns are in the hands of the Secret Service, so maybe they all need to give up their guns and see how she does....

Not even remotely. Nice try at creating false equivalencies though.

Oh, please, one of the first things Hillary would do if she is elected to the White House is to push for gun control. She doesn't have to take the guns away, just have congress come up with a legislation that would punish sellers or distributors for selling certain kinds of ammunitions or the amount, she would weave a net around the 2nd Amendment. May NOT be overt, but behind the scenes and making it hard for the dealers and take them out of the picture, that's one way to get around it and if anyone thinks she's NOT going to do that is not dealing with reality.

bass4funk: "Warmonger in deed."

If Hillary's a warmonger, what does that make the president who started two illegal wars? You guys crack me up.

As for this shooting, just another day in the US. RIP to the offices slain.

If Hillary's a warmonger,

She voted for the Iraq war, did she not? That would then be a warmonger under the definition or does that acronym apply to conservatives only?

what does that make the president who started two illegal wars? You guys crack me up.

I never said it didn't. I personally don't think Bush is a warmonger, but that is MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION. I never said it was factual, could be in most circumstances, I'll concede to that, how about you?

Stranger, you're correct about police opinion (Micah used cop-killer bullets which cops, for obvious reasons, have wanted banned for years - but the GOP refuses to bring it up for a vote).

The LA Times noted this morning about the RNC convention in Ohio:

A top police union official asked Ohio’s governor to temporarily ban guns outside the Republican National Convention in downtown Cleveland after the shooting of several police officers in Louisiana renewed fears about the safety of this week’s political gathering. But a spokeswoman for Gov. John Kasich, a Republican, said Sunday that he did not have the power to suspend the state’s open-carry laws.

Hmm. Too bad. But what could they ban?

The city has banned a wide variety of potential weapons from the protest zone near the convention — including tennis balls, water pistols and bicycle locks — but cannot limit firearms

So if you're a law-abiding tennis player looking for a match in downtown Cleveland this week - sorry, out of luck! Get your own damn amendment! Guns are cool, though, as long as they're real and not replicas. Seriously: Replicas are banned, but not real weapons.

Craziness comes home to roost.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-republican-convention-protests-20160717-snap-story.html

So if everyone being armed is supposed to stop killers from killing, and the police are all armed, then why aren't they able to stop the killers from killing?

How dare you try to use logic and reason to come between Americans and their guns, Strangerland.

The answer is so frighteningly simple. Remove the guns. Change the laws. Ban people from owning them and being able to access them anywhere.

Of course it's possible.

I can understand one illegal war from the left but not two. Afghanistan was justified as retaliation over 9/11.

To return to the topic. These police were executed and the murderer was more associated with BLM rather than the NRA. The NRA has never chanted death to anyone while BLM groups have. Police do a great job in trying to limit the lawless to run rampant. These planned executions will diminish our safety as police now need to watch their backs. A sad time in USA. And at a time when the nation needs increased vigilance with ISIS attacks.

Obama made a good speach with the exception of adding the anti-Trump political rant and not condemning BLM for he blocking puplic highways tactics which are well documented or the evil chants they have used in the past. This empowers BLM and future police killers.

Obama made a good speach with the exception of adding the anti-Trump political rant and not condemning BLM for he blocking puplic highways tactics which are well documented or the evil chants they have used in the past. This empowers BLM and future police killers.

But then that would actually undermine his speech because he didn't condemn this racist group because if he really wanted to show solidarity with the police as much as he puts time and effort into these groups.

Obama issued a statement including:

I condemn, in the strongest sense of the word, the attack on law enforcement in Baton Rouge. ... ...I want to be clear: there is no justification for violence against law enforcement. None.

No wait for the right-wing dissemblers - where are they? late risers, r waiting for talking points?- to accuse Obama of being mealy-mouthed.

Too little, too late - As the Cleveland Chief of police said yesterday, Obama's continued support of the false narrative - that police are targeting black men - leaves blood on his hands. I don't disagree.

And that is the stem of the division as you know Bass! Logic sees it drones cannot.

So if everyone being armed is supposed to stop killers from killing, and the police are all armed, then why aren't they able to stop the killers from killing?

It was the open carry "good guys with guns" that are supposed to stop it, that was one justification for having those laws on the books. Not the murderous liars of BLM/Nation of Islam/New Black Panther infamy who insist that innocent black people, minding their own business are routinely attacked and killed by police. It is bama and his administration feeding the tension by consistently promoting racial division for political purposes via proxies in the media that has created his new climate of fear.

@bass But then that would actually undermine his speech

Only in the closed minded who see the world in binary terms, especially those who think everything Obama does, doesn't do, says and doesn't say is bad. The closed-minded need to 'wear the shoe' that they're hugely responsible for the many fractures in US society, particularly those among them unwilling to accept that gun hobby extremists, the NRA and the gun industries have separated themselves from many of those who want to live a more peaceful life. I'm glad I live in Japan.

Blacks mass shooting white officers? That's just one part of the problem and there are many more.....

Blacks on white officers, whites on small children (Sandy Hook), Asian on anybody (Virginia Tech), White on anybody (theater shooter), gay on anybody (Orlando), White on planned parenthood, white bundies on federal officials- just name that tune because it's not about BLM.

It's the gun. The semi autos need to be banned. They can kill a big number of people too easily. There is no practical use for them. There are too many crazies of any race (attacking any race or age) and the universal problem is the gun.

And at the same time strict database registration for ANY gun.

The "gun hobby" is huge in USA PT. the NRA represents them. Many influential citizens are NRA. Obama himself has been seen with guns in hand. Guns aren't the culprits. Guns can help the culprits and do can many other tools, devices or contraptions. The closed minded anti gun crowd only see the negatives of private gun ownership. Exactly what MSM wants you to think.

Appalachia for example. Very poor and desperate conditions in many cases. Supplementing the dinner table with legally taken game is a lifeline.

Police us guns to stop the deviants.

Homeowners have used guns to limit crimes against them.

Olympians use them for sport.

The guns listed above nearly never harm another human.

America is cursed by guns. I wonder how many people are shot to death every year?

Guns are not nearly as much of a problem in white America (something like under 2 white on white killings per 100,000). It’s much more a problem in the urban ghettos with the toughest gun laws run by Democrat mayors and city councils (black on black like 50 killings per 100,000).

“But honestly, you can’t solve violence with violence.”

Especially when just about anyone in the US can get a semi-automatic and weapons that fire .50 calibre rounds.

Afghanistan was justified as retaliation over 9/11.

I agree that one of the many reasons the US invaded Afghanistan was retaliation, but my Ocaam on the invasion is it was done to try to secure natural resource (rare earth metals, minerals, hydrocarbons, etc.) rights for US corporations and their supporters. China, and to a degree India and Russia, are sitting back watching the US continue to drain tax dollars on a losing cause. All but the weapons makers are losing.

Suicides, accidents, gang activities, and police shootings aside not nearly as bad as the MSM wants you to believe. Sure, people use guns to kill and the list of murder weapons is vast. Shall we eliminate them all or should we address the real problem? The sick minds who want to harm others.

Only in the closed minded who see the world in binary terms, especially those who think everything Obama does, doesn't do, says and doesn't say is bad.

Not everything, but most things

The closed-minded need to 'wear the shoe' that they're hugely responsible for the many fractures in US society, particularly those among them unwilling to accept that gun hobby extremists, the NRA and the gun industries have separated themselves from many of those who want to live a more peaceful life.

That's from the perspective of people that choose to live in the binary realm that because they don't like guns or because they don't think it's right, they have the right to dictate to others how they should live. Look what happened in Nice last week, did the Jihadist have a gun? So now we should band all trucks now? Guns are not the problem, when a person has you in his sights, it doesn't matter what the weapon is of choice, it all ends up being deadly.

I'm glad I live in Japan.

And I'm glad to live in the US (6 months out of the year)

Is hillary going to call this a hate crime, or not?

Suicides, accidents, gang activities, and police shootings aside not nearly as bad as the MSM wants you to believe

Each and every stolen life leaves a gaping, traumatised hole in American society.

How dare anyone diminish the victims and bereaved in such a manner.

@bass4 And I'm glad to live in the US

Assuming it's true you live in the US, I don't think you're actually glad you live there given the extreme anti-American comments you make on a daily basis and the complaints you have about American systems and American people who aren't WASP's and gun hugging politically reactionaries like you, those who don't think the same as you and the Rush Limbaughs. Waiting for you whataboutbackatchabassism.

Guns aren't the culprits Semi autos like Glocks are AR rifles are. They have to go. And they are on the state level in NY (the rifle form but not handgun yet, AFAIK). You can keep them if you already have one - grandfathered - but you can't get a new one. Semi auto are no good except for mass murder.

Homeowners have used guns to limit crimes against them. Are you afraid of being a crime victim? Are you in Japan?

Maybe the cops mouthed off to the guy and things just got out of hand from there. Had they just been polite and respectful, like I am when I meet a black person, maybe they'd still be alive. Also, I'd like to see their work file to see if there had any disciplinary action.

Anyway, moving on. I have zero interest in cops being drama queens.

Micah used cop-killer bullets

What makes a bullet a cop killer bullet? Is it specially engineered to kill cops or something?

Clearly the US is an utter mess wrt to gun ownership, what we are witnessing is a TASTE of what the US would be like if the economy REALL tanked & un-employment skyrocketed etc

It would trigger an onslaught of such insanity that the US will look much worse than what any Hollywood movie has dreamt up.

The US has many problems but the two current issues of cops killing black people & gun ownership need DIRE attention & REAL solutions or this can possibly well beyond ugly.

The world has gotten a taste of where the US can easily head, I hope the good people of the US can gain some REAL traction & start fixing these problems before they get completely out of hand!

Another shooting. This is not a tragedy but a celebration of the American Culture, Americans love guns and cannot imagine their lives without them. Let everyone shoot each other to death while the rest of the world is watching while enjoying popcorns - because when it comes to entertainment, we are number one.

The truth is, no one sees this as a problem, and none of our leaders or citizens are prepared to do anything about it. The rest of the world is laughing at us as a first world country that struggles with the issue of guns. Yet we call ourselves citizens of the free world. We've been lied to, we are not the greatest country, but the worst and the most corrupt in the world.

These shootings will go on and on and on until Marshall Law is ushered in and that will be the beginning of Mad Max.

"The American Dream, you gotta be Sleeping to Believe in it"

Assuming it's true you live in the US, I don't think you're actually glad you live there given the extreme anti-American comments you make on a daily basis and the complaints you have about American systems and American people who aren't WASP's and gun hugging politically reactionaries like you, those who don't think the same as you and the Rush Limbaughs. Waiting for you whataboutbackatchabassism.

No, I love the US and I love California, my rhetoric is towards far left progressivism.

Clearly the US is an utter mess wrt to gun ownership, what we are witnessing is a TASTE of what the US would be like if the economy REALL tanked & un-employment skyrocketed etc

Hello, it's already a mess!!

It would trigger an onslaught of such insanity that the US will look much worse than what any Hollywood movie has dreamt up.

Don't worry, as long as the Hollywood elite in the South and the geeky computer techs in Silicone Valley are around, they can prop up California.

The US has many problems but the two current issues of cops killing black people

And Blacks killing cops, don't forget that.

& gun ownership need DIRE attention & REAL solutions or this can possibly well beyond ugly.

I would advocate in building more asylum institutions for the mentally challenged, that would help a lot and bring a lot of the violence down.

The world has gotten a taste of where the US can easily head, I hope the good people of the US can gain some REAL traction & start fixing these problems before they get completely out of hand!

Hopefully, once Obama is gone, the healing can begin.

@bass4funk

[Hillary] voted for the Iraq war, did she not? That would then be a warmonger under the definition or does that acronym apply to conservatives only? ... I personally don't think Bush is a warmonger

Hillary is a warmonger for merely voting for it, but Bush is not a warmonger for actually planning it and carrying it out as president? Can you explain?

(Warmonger isn't an acronym btw)

Hopefully, once Obama is gone, the healing can begin. Are you looking forward to Hillary?

What makes a bullet a cop killer bullet? Is it specially engineered to kill cops or something?

It's engineered to pierce armored vests. Technically, they're know as Teflon-coated bullets. Because conventional bullets, made primarily from lead, often become deformed and less effective after striking hard targets, coating them with substances such as Teflon allow them to more efficiently penetrate such objects as car doors and armored vests. Cops don't like them for obvious reasons, but hey - maybe that deer you're hunting is hiding behind a car or wearing a vest, so in the logic of the NRA (and thus the GOP), they remain legal.

Jackson said he was physically and emotionally tired and complained that while in uniform, he gets nasty looks. When he's out of uniform, he said, some people consider him a threat.

I know this can be rathet sad. The fear is palpable. The empty seats on crowded buses and trains can be counted, one, two, next to me on either side. People refrain from sharing the elevator. Now that I am largely Japanese shape I know the horror emanates from my face! Meeting people up close in doorways, their gaze moves upwards from my feet, past by torso, until, at my face they let gone a shudder and gasp, "It's a... gaijin da!"

I have not fought for Japan. Imagine that, being treated like a monster though you put your own life on the line to protect. I am not depressed. I have social support. The fear does not impact (rather improves) my employment situation. The fear is somatic. The gaspers gasp before they have had time to think.

The murderer that drove a truck into the crowded Akihabara crossing felt ugly. He was part of another minority group, the prematurely balding. http://ks.c.yimg.jp/res/chie-que-1293/1/293/970/587/i320 There will always be fear, depression and trucks.

Hillary is a warmonger for merely voting for it,

Which makes her an accomplice.

but Bush is not a warmonger for actually planning it and carrying it out as president?

I'm not going to debate the Iraq war, we will never agree on it. If you think Bush is a warmonger, fine, but you need to include the characters that supported it as well, don't cherrypick!

(Warmonger isn't an acronym btw)

I know, but he was using it as if it were.

Hopefully, once Obama is gone, the healing can begin. Are you looking forward to Hillary?

Naw, I'm looking for Trump.

(Warmonger isn't an acronym btw)

I know, but he was using it as if it were.

Pardon?? How do you use a word as if it were an acronym?

Does anyone know what was said before the guy start shooting? I have to wonder if the cops were mouthing off or did something to bring this on themselves. I've had many, many experiences with black people and I am polite and respectful and so far I've never been harmed or anything even close to it. And the last thing we need are some cop drama queens looking for attention.

And let's be real, the bigger problem is cops who beat their wives, double the national average. Maybe they should look at cleaning up their own house first.

The gun violence in the the US has more to do with economis and racism. Blacks and whites and Arabs and Latinos and Asians all go to work and get along very well. It's the elected leaders who divide us, I just wish we weren't so easily fooled by the talking heads and the Dem/Rep cabal.

The gun violence in the the US has more to do with economis and racism Adam Lanza was a well off white shooter who targeted children and it didn't matter what race they were. It's not the elected leaders. It's that we can't do anything about crazy so the semi autos have to go.

If cops can't even protect themselves then we've got to tone down the firepower by a general ban on semi autos and strict registration of guns by database. There is almost no practical need for semi autos.

I just wish we weren't so easily fooled No one is easily fooled. Real cops are getting killed by these real guns. These last two mass shooting of cops were done by semi auto rifles and they have to be banned. What is anyone being fooled about here? Is there some kind of fake story? Some lie? Even highly armed and trained cops are dying. If the protectors can't even be protected then it is truly a gun problem.

Real cops? Is there another kind?

What do you do when you're government becomes tyrannical? Throw stones? The US was set up with this in mind. Of course governments don't want their people to be armed. You're really not free unless you can overthrow your government.

what do you do when you're government becomes tyrannical? The AR is quite laughable in that case. You will need a lot more than that. Let's start with legalization rocket launchers in case Obama sends his military after you. What do you think? The AR is a joke.

You're really not free unless you can overthrow your government.

So you are in Japan with no guns and you say You're really not free unless you can overthrow your government?

and I'm the one easily fooled by the talking heads?

You say that living or dying depends on the right to own a deadly semi automatic weapon that can off more than 50 lives in a matter of minutes and you choose to live in a country that doesn't even allow conventional pistols?

I am really mystified by the extreme 2A people who (1) feel they need a gun since they are afraid of tyranny and (2) come to a country where there are no guns willingly.

I'm just trying to figure you and the rest of you extreme 2A people out- I mean the ones who choose to live in a country where there are NO guns.

Why are you in Japan if you are afraid of governments so much and you can't be armed?

Policemen executing black men in handcuffs on the floor is a pretty good definition of government tyranny. Who's side will the NRA be on?

Policemen executing black men in handcuffs on the floor is a pretty good definition of government

So they need to organize and lead a rebellion against the oppressive state. Shooting cops is just the cowards way.

like you never hear of citizen with semi auto gun save community from terrorist. You hear of citizen with semi-auto gun turns terrorist and attacks community. You hear, unarmed black citizen shot dead by Police. You hear black citizen take out revenge with semi-auto gun. Then on the friday you hear of 84 killed by bus driven by terrorist. I love guns but I will never own one and of the thinking that only police and those allow to kill danger animals to the community. But if these people full of hate can not get a gun they will simply use something out of the box that we do maximum damage. I think taking away guns is a great start, but will it work in the USA. IT will get another group ( Gun lovers) hating who are arm to the teeth. So what is the real answer. We got rid of this political problem when we had our first hate killing. We have not had any since. that because we recall all guns and changed the law on gun ownership. I think it way no late for USA .

These last two mass shooting of cops were done by semi auto rifles and they have to be banned.

Why would you just stop there? As long as other guns are freely available, your problem doesn't go away. What are the other guns for?

so, what do you do when you're government becomes tyrannical?

This is a fascinating clue to the paranoid state of the Union. How many times in the history of the United States have the government become tyrannical? How many times have the people had to take up arms against their government since 1788? That this idea even exists in the mind of contemporary America seems bizarre, frankly. It's a warped sentiment that allows for so much death and killing in the US for something that may never, ever happen.

This is a fascinating clue to the paranoid state of the Union. How many times in the history of the United States have the government become tyrannical? How many times have the people had to take up arms against their government since 1788? That this idea even exists in the mind of contemporary America seems bizarre, frankly. It's a warped sentiment that allows for so much death and killing in the US for something that may never, ever happen.

You've heard of Oliver Cromwell, Napoleon, Lenin, Castro, and many others. It's ignorant to think it can't happen your lifetime.

FizzBitJUL. 18, 2016 - 05:27PM JST Policemen executing black men in handcuffs on the floor is a pretty good definition of government So they need to organize and lead a rebellion against the oppressive state. Shooting cops is just the cowards way.

Sure, like the Bundy boys? That turned out well. Got any other bright revolutionary ideas there or are you going to admit the second amendment is a crock of proverbial in this day and age?

But you ignored the question. Since police executing restrained people on the floor is clearly government tyranny, who's side do you think the NRA will be on?

This is question guaranteed to give a brain-fart to both you alternatives and white right-wing racists simultaneously.

BLM is over. All lives matter

"Cop killer bullets:" They are using this term for AR15 coated bullets. In reality you have SP (soft point, lead, hunting) and FMJ (full metal jacket = a lead core surrounded by metal). All military ammo is mandated to be FMJ since it would be inhumane to use SP due to the massive expansion of unjacketed lead hitting a solid target.

You're really not free unless you can overthrow your government.

Good luck bringing your AR-15 to a drone fight.

BLM is over. All lives matter

If you think Black Lives Matter is off the mark and use the argument that "All lives matter" then you don't understand the problem. You are obfuscating the issue by making the inference that "All lives matter" not just black lives.

The BLM movement is trying to focus people's attentions on the racism and injustice that Black people in America face everyday. They are not suggesting that other lives dont matter, they are saying that black lives matter too!

who's side do you think the NRA will be on?

You're wasting your time asking me about the NRA. I could care less about them and their organization. Speaking of brain-farts, people's freedoms have always been won through battle. The fact that you're enjoying you're freedom now was on the blood of other people. Or have you forgotten that? Seems like it.

I didn't expect an answer fizz dont worry the question was rhetorical. Like I said it gives both you "alternatives" and the racist, rabid right the same conundrum - that the second amendment is really only for paranoid white people to cling to their guns. Furthermore, even if they themselves wished to "rise up" against government tyranny, they simply don't have chance against tanks, F35's and drones. The second amendement is as outdated a A line flared trousers.

Oh, and buddy - you have no idea how hilarious it is to read about you complaining about divisionist politicians having posted "Go Trump" the last 12 months. You are part of the problem.

You've heard of Oliver Cromwell, Napoleon, Lenin, Castro, and many others. It's ignorant to think it can't happen your lifetime.

Ignorant?! No. I don't think your examples here are pertinent either. And I would be extremely surprised if it happens in my lifetime.

I am Australian, and the Government turning tyrannical is so far from my mind as to be a complete fantasy. As it is in Japan, and many stable democracies I can think of, including the US. It won't happen.

It's a complete straw man argument as a reason for citizens in the US to need guns.

I am Australian

Well I'm sorry then. You've already surrendered your freedom.

Most humans are quit content with there quiet desperate lives. Austrialia would have no economy without the slave labor nation of China. Once China falls apart, so will Australia. Then you will understand

So another ex-military "hero" is not a hero after all?

Go trump!

@Strangerland and @Tamarama

"... if you really think a citizen and the government are equivalent, you are kidding yourself."

In our form of government, the government is subservient to the citizenry. That's the law. Hence the term "Public Servant". Our government is there to serve the citizen, to govern with the consent of the governed.

"The answer is so frighteningly simple. Remove the guns. Change the laws. Ban people from owning them and being able to access them anywhere. Of course it's possible."

How do you eliminate guns? The same way drugs have been eliminated, or alcohol was during prohibition? Remember, if you will, that it is a right guaranteed by the constitution. The only legal way to repeal it is through a constitutional convention.

How is the NRA responsible for this? Have ambushes of police been this common during the entire existsnce of that organization? If not, has that organization recently changed its mission? Please show us where you have heard or read the NRA calling or the death of cops, for anybody.

Stating such truths does not in any way put me on the side of these cop killers.

Once again, someone else makes the Bundy Ranch men look like choir boys with bb guns. The shooter was an x-marine. . . So much for that "Semper Fi" saying, as far as he's considered. Most Marines and former vote Republican all the way.

Stay classy HRC supporters. . . . why are you killing cops?

"Most Marines and former vote Republican all the way."

That wouldn't surprise me if it's true. Most military types I've met from many countries tend to have very few screws and they tend to be loose.

Micah used cop-killer bullets which cops, for obvious reasons, have wanted banned for years - but the GOP refuses to bring it up for a vote

No he didn't use armor piercing rounds. Shotguns and rifles will go through Type-IIIa body armor because that body armor is only designed to stop pistol calibers, not long guns. Type IV and Type V are designed to stop long guns and only swat teams have that type of body armor.

So you are left with two options, either you ban all longs guns or you provide all law enforcement officers with Type 4 and Type 5 body armor.

It's engineered to pierce armored vests. Technically, they're know as Teflon-coated bullets. Because conventional bullets, made primarily from lead, often become deformed and less effective after striking hard targets, coating them with substances such as Teflon allow them to more efficiently penetrate such objects as car doors and armored vests.

Ah yes the old Teflon coated bullet myth. Teflon coated bullets have less penetrative power when impacting Nylon and Kevlar and the reason for that is because the Teflon is designed to cause the bullet to grip better to the surface it hits. Well in body armor the whole point of kevlar and nylon is to act like a spider web in that it is supposed to grab the bullet, so you have fabrics that are designed to act like spiderwebs and then you factor in that the Teflon coating is designed.to grip or stick the bullet to what it hits, especially if it hits at an oblique angle. So guess what the end result is then? If you answered that it reduces the penetrative power of a bullet when it impacts nylon and kevlar vests you would be correct.

The only time Teflon improves the penetration power is when it hits a hard surface like glass or metal, primarily at oblique angles because the Teflon results in the bullet gripping the surface instead of ricocheting off of it.

Since all the little right wingers know that guns don't kill people, why on earth do they need their guns to defend themselves?

I say, give them two bananas and a mango. That should satisfy their Second Amendment needs....

It is interesting how some people blame BLM at every opportunity,yet have nothing to say about the KKK or neo nazi groups.

Japan T

Our government is there to serve the citizen, to govern with the consent of the governed.

As opposed to which government.....?

How do you eliminate guns?

By eliminating them. Australia did it.

The only legal way to repeal it is through a constitutional convention.

Yep, high time for another one. 1787?!

Inanimate objects do absolutely nothing. Thus, they do not kill. A person can use a gun to kill someone but the gun is just the tool, not the killer. Thus, guns do NOT kill.

What is a gun designed for? What is it's purpose?

By eliminating them. Australia did it.

If that is true then how do you explain the fact that the number of guns legally owned in Australia is now the same if not more than the number in circulation at the time of the Port Arthur massacre?

There is a way around the 2 amendment. The federal Government can improve the laws concerning ammunition. Like when you want buy your ammo you have go and pick it up at a federal office. Have rules like you have to return spent shell to get new ammo. You have state the reason like hunting, Home protection or firing practice. If hunting you have to show you permit and area where you are hunting, what your hunting and period of hunting. They will issue you with a 5 round per day for hunting. 2 rounds issue for home protect and to replace this ammo you have prove why you fire off your home protection issue. If for firing practice your limit is 10 rounds and have to fire all the issue ammo at a legal fire range where you have give prove of ID and return the spent shell with in 24 hours or your gun licence is revoked and a warrant issued. So responsible the gun lover can keep your gun but the government will have control on how and when and where you use you guns. Sound very fair to me. Like meet in the middle of the road. Have the new laws value rated every 3 months and if the numbers of death by firearm do not drop within 12 months go back to the status quo.

John San,

At least you are thinking carefully about alternatives. I applaud that. Some of the things you have mentioned are not dissimilar to the conditions currently in Australia.

What is a gun designed for? What's it's purpose?

Seeing you aren't willing, allow me. The gun's sole purpose is to shoot a projectile to kill or maim a living being. That's what it was originally designed for by the Chinese, and it remains the primary function of a gun to this day. Armies don't carry hammers into battle, for example, THEY carry highly refined guns designed to kill as many people as they can with maximum efficiency - ruthlessly brilliant killing tools. Those tools also mean that the person that holds it does not have to kill at close range with, say, a knife, so it has a two fold purpose: to kill, and to do so from a safe distance. That it is a tool, an inanimate object, is completely spurious and beside the point. A nonsense, deluded argument. Because, when a 2 year old picks up Mummy's Smith and Wesson, killing Mummy or himself is the last thing he is thinking about. But he has happened to pick up a Gun, not, for the sake of an argument, a hammer, and whilst he might even be trying to hit a nail with it, the gun discharges and does what it is designed to do, which is efficiently kill, and the results are predictably tragic. So, did the child kill his Mum? Well, to kill means the act of causing death to another. In our example, I don't really think you can say the child did - the gun is what shoots the projectile, the projectile is what kills her. We call it an accident, but an accident with a hammer might result in a broken finger. An accident with a killing tool, results in a death.

Guns kill. Less guns means less deaths.

Less guns is good.

Plus the Police in New York State do have a quoter for Black American arrests. This one office recorded a monthly assessment were his boss was querying his 2 black arrest for a certain week when station to catch fare evaders. the office replied no blacks were witness jump the turnstile or braking the law other then the two arrested. I only arrested those who were braking the law, The officer,s commander told the officer that he did not care, you have to lift your black arrests quoter. I listen to this recording on TYT YouTube clip ( The Young Turk) just this morning.

By eliminating them. Australia did it.

No they didn't considering the fact that Australia today has just as many if not more firearms today than at the time of the Port Arthur massacre.

Guns kill. Less guns means less deaths. Less guns is good.

Seeing as this logic basically applies to everything that then means that we should have less of everything.

No they didn't considering the fact that Australia today has just as many if not more firearms today than at the time of the Port Arthur massacre.

OK, didn't mean that literally, because there are of course guns in the hands of farmers and others with a license, but I'll cop that. Some facts courtesy of the ABC from this year:

The increase in guns must be seen in context. Australia's population grew by five million in the same period, so per-capita firearm ownership remains 23 per cent lower than it was before Port Arthur.

The risk of an Australian dying by gunshot remains less than half what it was before Port Arthur.

About 80 per cent of gun deaths in Australia have nothing to do with crime. Instead, they're suicides and unintentional shootings.

Fewer Australians now own guns. Since 1988, the proportion of households with a firearm fell by 75 per cent.

Those who already possess several guns have bought more. Until recently, the average Australian shooter owned three to five firearms. The same people now keep a larger collection, which tends to skew statistics slightly.

Seeing as this logic basically applies to everything that then means that we should have less of everything.

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Back on topic please.