Cain wins early Florida test vote

Amazing. With all the Republicans in the country, they still can't seem to find that Someone Who Meets Tea Party Criteria But Isn't Romney. The only attractive aspect of Perry to liberals - his realistic posture towards immigration and immigrants - is exactly what is dooming him amongst the far right. Perry won't go down easily, though, and this means we may be able to enjoy an entire campaign season of Republican internecine warfare.

It still is a long way off until the election, but at least I have to give the GOP this, they at least try to present an honest election. Sure there are differences of opinions among the candidates, but that is what you want in a Democracy. People with differing opinions bringing forth the discussion,and then the public deciding after hearing the candidates who they want to elect.

Can's say the same about the Dems. They only want persons who will follow the strict party line. That is good sometimes, but they are going to shoot themselves in the foot if they don't get another person to at least challenge Obama for the party nomination. They need to give the people in the party the chance to express their choice. If it is going to be Obama then fine. But don't just "annoint" him as the nominee. Funny, how they can be (Dems) all or nothing with Obama, but during the 2008 election, they had to rely on "super delegates" after the regular primary elections. I guess the belief in one person, one vote does not apply. I wonder will they have that again next year.

...but at least I have to give the GOP this, they at least try to present an honest election....but [Dems] are going to shoot themselves in the foot if they don't get another person to at least challenge Obama for the party nomination

LOL!

And who did the GOP put forward to challenge George W. Bush for re-election in 2004? Who did the party put forward to challenge George H.W. Bush for the campaign of 1992? Who within the GOP challenged Ronald Reagan in the 1984 campaign? Those were the last three Republican sitting presidents who ran for re-election and they all ran unchallenged.

But don't just "annoint" him as the nominee.

Uncle Ruckus won't vote for a Democrat and neither will you, no matter who he or she is. You conservative Republicans should stick to your own brand of sleazy liars like Cain. Cain, who recently said that after he "caught cancer" he would have surely died if the Affordable Health Care Act had been in effect at the time. What a ignorant, dishonest buffoon.

The "Repubs are all racists" meme is getting harder to stick on these people. Cain wins Jeb Bush's state. How to spin this one?

Nah, not all racists. Some of them are pretty un-hinged though.

The "Repubs are all racists" meme is getting harder to stick on these people

"Liars Central" has the meme all wrong. It's a fact that the vast majority of white supremacists support conservative causes.

What is it about the Republican meme that attracts so many racists and liars?

More to the point, why would a clearly fanatical Republican attempt to pass itself off as a Democrat, albiet poorly?

Republicans will vote for a black man as long as he is as nuts as they are. Cain should pick Kane from WWE as his running mate. Both are fakes.

Wow, what a slap in the face to Parry. Front runner and then republicans discover he loves Mexicans and he is toast. That is your non-racist republican party, eh?

Now that Parry is toast maybe Palin will jump in. Then the republican clown car will be totally full of mental midgets.

"And who did the GOP put foward to challenge George W. Bush for re-election in 2004?"

And who will the Democrats put foward to challenge Obama for re-election in 2012?

"What is it about the Republican meme that attracts so many racists and liars?"

What is it about certain people that makes them ask such ridiculous questions?

The Republicans had better nominate Cain. He's the only one who can take some of Obama's hard-core voters away.

The Dems won't rock the Obama boat. Hilary is the obvious answer but she'll wait in my opinion. I'd like to think the Repubs haven't got a credible candidate, but then the double dubya election sends a slap to the face of any kind of expectations of voter reason.

The Dems simply don't know how to get as down and dirty like the Repub Slime Machine, and are therefore for that reason not competetive IMO.

As a registered Democrat I have to say this worries me. Black unemployment is at record highs. Long -term unemployment is at levels not seen since the Great Depression. If Cain starts dropping the names of like-minded African Americans whose stuff is available on the web - economists like Thom Sowell or Walt Williams or columnists like Star Parker - the party is in trouble. It's bad enough that the Cuban-American Rubio won the senate seat for that state.Plus, you got Bobby Jindal (East indian ancestry )as governor over in Louisiana and up in South Carolina another East Indian repub governor named Nikki Haley(a woman!) . What is going on?

I don't know much about US politics, but I've seen Herman Cain on YouTube. I've come to one conclusion. He means what he says and he says what he means.

I don't know much about US politics, but I've seen Herman Cain on YouTube. I've come to one conclusion. He means what he says and he says what he means.

quite a contrast from pathological liar Obama

Serrano, so many have taken up this "challenging the incumbent" line, and it's not the principle that bothers me but the facts. What would Hillary have done differently that would have so affected where the US is now? - or, more pertinently, what could she have done?

The presidency is not an individual; it is a conglomeration of ideas and implementers. There is ample room for criticism over who Obama has surrounded himself with, but two questions remain: would any other Democrat have chosen others radically different; and, if they had, would it have made any difference?

A second point is tangential: the Republicans were dead set to sabotage the presidency of whatever Democrat won in 2008. You might remember that Hillary's husband had a less-than-amicable relationship with Republicans during his presidency, and this history was a major reason in why Hillary lost to Obama in the primaries: the desire to put factional fighting behind the history of America.

Well, you've seen where that has gotten us. Republicans seem genetically unable to accept as their leader anyone other than someone from their own party - in which case they roll over and beg for more. Seriously, if Jesus Christ descended from Heaven to run on the Democratic ticket, Pat Robertson himself would be the first to denounce him. Talk of a challenge to Obama is that ridiculous.

As a registered Democrat ...

and

pathological liar

The two seem to fit quite nicely, in Lieberman2012's case.

this history was a major reason in why Hillary lost to Obama in the primaries: the desire to put factional fighting behind the history of America.

good point. And let's not forget the shameful "Bros Before Hos--Vote Obama '08" t-shirts and stupid sloganeering popular among young progressives that so shocked older Democrats like us.

Serrano, so many have taken up this "challenging the incumbent" line, and it's not the principle that bothers me but the facts. What would Hillary have done differently that would have so affected where the US is now? - or, more pertinently, what could she have done?

Ah, an intelligent question. Serrano may only be able to detect its vapor trail, if at all, since it's so far above him.

Seriously, if Jesus Christ descended from Heaven to run on the Democratic ticket, Pat Robertson himself would be the first to denounce him.

JC would have very little to do with these modern religionists -- who would just end up crucifying him again anyway.

I've come to one conclusion. He means what he says and he says what he means.

Yes, what he says is often completely stupid and he'd be willing to lead himself and others into a very deep hole and shoot anyone who suggested we stop digging.

"Old democrats"

Heh, they scary version is that you're starting to believe it.

Only no one else is.

"Old democrats" Heh, they scary version is that you're starting to believe it.

I think he means "Dixiecrat" myself. With "sheet-wearing" as an adjective.

Still, back to Cain, this whole Republican venture into "exotic" candidates reminds me of the Eddie Murphy "Delirious" sketch:

You know he got a chance he can win. White dudes like to do sh@@ like that - vote for the wrong dude as a goof. They get drunk and sh@@ and go like: "Let's vote for Jesse Jackson!" "I just voted for Jesse Jackson !" And next day would be like this: "He fuc@@ won?"

Right. Rubio is Cuban, representing the Cuban district of Florida, who are not likely to be Democrats. Jindal and Haley are impressive and should be commended for what they have done, but both have both reached - or surpassed - their peaks. None of these three are viable on the national stage. Cain is not viable on the national stage. Trying to present the Republican party as inclusive is like trying to present Godfather's Pizza as Italian.

If a Democrat wins the "Communist Manifesto" will become required reading. If a Republican wins the American military will be goose-stepping into an infinite amount of endless wars. Are you people so blind as to not realize that despite which party wins Americans lose?

Reading this thread, I'm starting to wonder if Lieberman is registered or certified. One refers to insanity, y'know.

He says Florida is "Jeb Bush's state," but Bush isn't in office anymore, so how does he figure Jeb owns Florida? If anything, it's Marco Rubio's state these days. Nobody said politicians get to be honorary office holders for life.

I see a flaw in Lieberman's idea that we should be amazed that a black candidate succeeds in "Jeb Bush's state" with the false implacation that Bush must be racist or gets support from the racist fringe. But we all know Jeb Bush isn't a racist, otherwise he wouldn't have married someone from another country (hint: it's due south of Laredo).

Better to hunt for a more apt representative of Florida's extremist fringe--how about that preacher with the mutton chops who burns religious books out of spite?

More important for Cain and Romney is explaining to voters what they've been up to in the years since they left their corporate leadership positions. If Cain says "I'm unemployed too" like Romney did awhile ago to try to show he can relate to out of work voters, I don't think he's going to win any more polls.

sorry, that should say "implication"

Herman Cain won an early test vote in Florida that lacked most of the leading candidates’ participation.

Mr. Cain is a strong conservative that believes people should be responsible and treated based on the content of their character and not the color of their skin. Oh, and he is a black man.

So much for the Democrat and main stream medias idea that Conservatives and the Tea Party are racist. In fact, the opposite is the case. Liberals are blinded by their race consciousness to the detriment of race relations in America. Playing the race card will be a huge strategy for the Democrat party next year in order to rev up their race baiting base. President Obama will use the NAACP to gin up votes from the black community by scarring blacks into believing that blacks will be lynched again if a Republican becomes president. By the way, a white governor allowed the execution of the white man that killed James Byrd in the dragging death in Texas just a few days ago. Republicans have gotten past their race consciousness, it's time that Democrats and the main stream media do the same.

If Cain believes in equality, then why does he hate Muslims?

Liberals are blinded by their race consciousness to the detriment of race relations in America.

Those of us liberals who generally support the Democratic Party are very aware of its unholy alliance over a half-century ago with southern white racists. As soon as President Truman integrated the military, a migration of the racists began away from the Democrats towards the Republican Party.

Republicans, for their part, wanted very much to attract the white supremacist vote to their side. While many Republicans supported civil rights, they ran a candidate in '64 who was opposed to the Voting Act and spoke out in favor of "states rights" and "extremism." That was followed by Nixon and the openly racist "southern strategy." Within the past decade, a former Republican Party chairman openly apologized at a meeting of African-Americans for that very racist "strategy."

The mere presence of a Herman Cain is not any proof whatsoever that the Republican Party does not attract and contain racist elements. There are African-Americans who believe European-based culture (aka "mainstream white") is superior to "black culture". I believe a large part of the supremacist leanings that exist today in the USA spring from that position.

Uncle Ruckus won't vote for a Democrat and neither will you, no matter who he or she is.

There are African-Americans who believe European-based culture (aka "mainstream white") is superior to "black culture". I believe a large part of the supremacist leanings that exist today in the USA spring from that position

@yabits: For someone who is supposedly a liberal, you really do hold to their racist beliefs. Why is it that just because someone doesn't want to vote Dem they are an "Uncle Ruckius"? You keep throwing that name out, I imagine that you are probably as Quisling.

As for your comments on what Blacks believe, so where did you get your degree in Black Studies? That is probably the silliest thing you have posted, and you have posted some silly things. Please for my own knowledge, please tell me about "Black Culture" and what it is. Sine obviously my 40 plus years of being a Black man from the deep south I must have missed it. .

If Cain believes in equality, then why does he hate Muslims?

Cain hates Muslims because he believes it is what the mainstream white culture expects of him in order to gain its approval. Yes, no mistaking the "herminator" for anything resembling a "black muslim."

Most ordinary folks can tolerate others regardless of their religion. Cain can not.

For someone who is supposedly a liberal, you really do hold to their racist beliefs.

You are making no sense at all.

Why is it that just because someone doesn't want to vote Dem they are an "Uncle Ruckius"?

It all depends upon why they don't want to associate with Democrats. Strom Thurmond left the Democratic Party soon after Truman allowed African-Americans to serve in the military. He and his racist self became a Republican soon after -- welcomed in with open arms by that party. You would not ever be able to convince me that you would support a Democrat over an overt racist like Thurmond -- ergo, Ruckus. (I believe Cain would have no problems supporting a racist either.)

Please for my own knowledge, please tell me about "Black Culture" and what it is.

I am throwing back the terms made by libertarian-conservative -- and Herman Cain supporter -- Neal Boortz. Boortz has pontificated for many, many years on "black urban culture" and how it is grossly inferior to white mainstream culture. Cain has appeared on Boortz's show a number of times and the two seem to hit if off very well. Therefore, you need to research Boortz's views on black culture and thereby educate yourself. Cain has no problems with them.

If Cain believes in equality, then why does he hate Muslims?

The answer is simple.Islam does not believe in equality.

Islam is not a race but a complete polity unto itself,one that ultimately dictates the believer's political beliefs must be fully in accord with the central tenet of the religion:Islam shall be supreme.Herman Cain and other politicians are justified in criticism of its barbaric, anti-democratic and retrograde nature and institutions. Cain joins the likes of Winston Churchill,Mark Twain,John Wesley,John Quincy Adams,Hilaire Belloc,Teddy Roosevelt, William Gladstone,Thomas Jefferson and Bertrand Russell, to name but a few, in his suspicion and dislike of this totalitarian ideology.

I am throwing back the terms made by libertarian-conservative -- and Herman Cain supporter -- Neal Boortz. Boortz has pontificated for many, many years on "black urban culture" and how it is grossly inferior to white mainstream culture. Cain has appeared on Boortz's show a number of times and the two seem to hit if off very well. Therefore, you need to research Boortz's views on black culture and thereby educate yourself. Cain has no problems with them.

Though I don't agree with Boortz on all his views, he is right on the "black urban culture" line. Not so much that Blacks need to forgo their experiences in urban settings, but if they are going to succeed then they must take on main stream American attitudes and values. We keep hearing that in order for amnesty to pass, that the many Latino and other immigrants in the US illegally need to learn how to "speak English" and be able to understand what it is to be an American. Same thing goes for some of the Blacks (notice I didn't say all) who follow the thinking that going to school and using proper grammar and getting good grades is "acting white" something I have had to teach my nieces to do because they are getting heat from their peers because they use proper English and are in AP classes, all the while still living in the "hood" as it were. So not wanting to extol an urban culture that has been degraded by hip-hop to the extent that men are wearing pants down below their waist, children not being taught to achieve academically, and unwed pregnancy running rampant is not a bad thing.

As far as being "authentically Black" let's look at Cain. He will tell you he was brought up in an urban working class environment, which is true. He also graduated from Morehouse College, a Historically Black all male college that persons the likes or Rev. MLK, Julian Bond, and other Black male leaders have gone to. To me, that is more "Black American" than the current president who went to all white undergraduate schools, and Harvard and has been extolled as having a great speaking ability and is an academic achiever.

So according to you, he's not truly Black or has lived the "urban experience." I guess you could say so if he hung out in Waipahu while he was growing up in Hawaii.

Though I don't agree with Boortz on all his views, he is right on the "black urban culture" line. Not so much that Blacks need to forgo their experiences in urban settings, but if they are going to succeed then they must take on main stream American attitudes and values.

Because mainstream (read: "white") American attitudes and values are superior. Go ahead. You can say it. Make my point.

As far as being "authentically Black" let's look at Cain.

Not sure why you are putting quotation marks around authentically Black. It's not anything I've said.

So according to you, he's not truly Black or has lived the "urban experience."

I don't know why you keep trying to attribute things to me that I've never come anywhere near saying. It's extremely dishonest and reveals a tragically flawed method of reasoning. (Something that factors in most of your arguments.)

Same thing goes for some of the Blacks (notice I didn't say all) who follow the thinking that going to school and using proper grammar and getting good grades is "acting white" something I have had to teach my nieces to do because they are getting heat from their peers because they use proper English and are in AP classes,

It is not about the fact that, in order to succeed in mainstream, white America, one has to adopt the language and cultural values and cues that make whites (and those who have aped them) feel comfortable, it is the question of how much of ones own culture one feels compelled to reject (as inferior or "degraded" -- quoting your word) in the process.

It is not about the fact that, in order to succeed in mainstream, white America, one has to adopt the language and cultural values and cues that make whites (and those who have aped them) feel comfortable, it is the question of how much of ones own culture one feels compelled to reject (as inferior or "degraded" -- quoting your word) in the process.

Then answer me this, why is it all those amnesty proponents keep saying that the illegals must learn English, and take a test on American citizenship so that they can blend in and become "American." I don't see them saying that they can become "(you fill in the country)-Americans" but Americans.

Then answer me this, why is it all those amnesty proponents keep saying that the illegals must learn English, and take a test on American citizenship so that they can blend in and become "American." I don't see them saying that they can become "(you fill in the country)-Americans" but Americans.

Since I do not hold those views, I can't speak with any authority for those who do. The best I can do is try to imagine what I would have to be thinking in order for me to agree with them.

I can only say that feelings of cultural (and implied racial) supremacy by one group over another has done a number on the heads of an awful lot of people.

I see that Herman Cain's straw poll victory, in the southern state of Florida no less,confounds all the conspiracy theorists out there who assured like-minded psychotics online that the Koch brothers would anoint or appoint;it is even more infuriating for the race hustlers.And it also looks like the verdict that the Tea Party people had been used and marginalized was a bit hasty.Overall, an excellent performance by Cain.

I have waited a few days to post this but after Cain's surprising victory inFlorida I decided to search online for controversy about the guy.But there is very little. No one,no groups are demanding to see his birth certificate. His past is easily investigated. Today I see that in an imaginary race against Obama he is only 5 points behind.