Iraqi forces launch offensive to drive IS from western Mosul

The Battle of Aleppo lasted 53 months, from July 2012 to December 2016. The last Syria-Russia offensive in Aleppo began in June 2016 and lasted 7 months:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Aleppo_(2012%E2%80%9316)

Anyways, we finally have some data.

https://airwars.org/

Chris Woods, the director of Monitoring group Airwars: “The [NATO] coalition kills too many civilians but it is clear they are trying to limit those deaths, while everything we understand about the way Syria-Russia is behaving shows they do not mind targeting civilians, civilian infrastructure. We’d certainly agree that the solution is definitely not more bombs, but Syria-Russia and the coalition are fighting different wars when it comes to civilians. Airwars has recorded 3,600 civilian deaths caused by Syria-Russian bombing raids since they joined the Syrian conflict just over a year ago. In contrast, the [NATO] coalition has caused nearly 900 civilian deaths over 26 months of bombing."

Amnesty International, which will release a report on the civilian toll of US strikes this month, has tallied at least 300 [NATO] deaths “and the real figure is likely at least twice that.” However, the rate of killing was not comparable with attacks by Syria-Russian planes, which dwarf the death toll from any of the outside parties to the conflict.

The Violations Documentation Centre said just more than 147,000 civilians had been killed between the start of the war in 2011 and October 2016. It only attributes deaths with clear evidence so not all are accounted for, but its records hold the Syrian government and affiliated militia responsible for 92,000 civilian deaths, Russian forces for 3,412, Syrian opposition fighters, excluding Isis, for 2,470, and Isis for 3,078. It attributes 768 to the international coalition.

Just from the last year alone:

http://www.dchrs.org/english/File/Aleppo_Genocide_Oct_01_to_Dec_14_2016_Report_English.pdf

2016 -- Syria + Russia airstrikes = Aleppo civilians

Jan -- 42 + 241 = 283

Feb -- 42 + 217 = 259

Mar -- 47 + 34 = 81

Apr -- 250 + 122 = 372

May -- 205 + 46 = 251

Jun -- 385 + 90 = 475

Jul -- 560 + 226 = 786

Aug -- 311 + 115 = 426

Sep -- 101 + 532 = 633

Oct -- 406 + 133 = 539

Nov -- 579 + 243 = 822

Total Aleppo civilians = 4927

If anybody has more data, feel free to share the data

Nice try, lumping in the reports attributed to the Syrian Air Force to those attributed to the Russian Air Force.

The same way the NATO coalition casualty reports don't separate US forces from Iraqi forces to British forces from French forces, etc. Because they're closely working together, so it's almost impossible to separate whose intelligence targets, who's calling the strikes, etc. - so they're responsible for each other.

Anyways, this report does try to separate Syrian from Russian air strikes when they can:

"2016 -- Syria + Russia airstrikes = Aleppo civilians"

The Syrian Air Force lacks the precision bombs that Russia uses,

At least you're acknowledging that Syrian forces can be indiscriminate, whether by limitation or by intention

Though since Syria gets their arms from Russia, dunno why Russia wouldn't provide them with better equipment. Or maybe Assad doesn't think it's worth it to save more civilian lives

If you were to compare NATO vs. Russia, especially on a per bomb to per sortie basis you'd find a different story.

If you can find that data, feel free to share; I'd like to see it too

I don't want to be the only one here trying to mine for data

Until then, we don't have that data, and thus we can't make an inference

Since you posit that hypothesis, I'm hoping you're looking for it

I notice that your report that refers to 4972 civilian casualties is titled "genocide", considering civilian casualties from the US invasion of Iraq are orders of magnitude higher, how come there are no reports (in the English language at least) refering to that as "genocide"?

I'm looking for that too, but the Mosul offensive only just started a couple months ago. Notice it took me awhile to get that Aleppo one