Syria says it has seized nearly 75% of eastern Aleppo

Strange how, in the article, there was not a single mention of the tens of thousands of Syrians who returned to their now liberated neighborhoods in east Aleppo. Why, it's almost as if someone made sure that not a single thing that contradicts the official story (popular rebellion, unpopular government) was brought to your attention.

Bring us home boys!! Otsukare!!

Assad and Putin are slaughtering Sunni-Wahhabi-FSA-Zinki-Nusra rats trapped in Aleppo, and there's nothing their Saudi-Turk-lsraeli handlers can do about it.

Here's NPO that continually tracks civilian casualties from airstrikes in Iraq and Syria:

https://airwars.org/data/

More deaths from Syria-Russia coalition

Oh yes, if you want the truth about whats happening in syria the man n stream media is not the way to go. Their agenda is very different.

They make a desert and call it peace........

Quote: 'Rebels withdrew from al-Shaar under heavy bombardment by pro-government forces to the Marjeh and Maadi neighborhoods, local media activist Mahmoud Raslan told The Associated Press. Several gunmen were killed. “Morale has hit rock bottom,” he said from inside the city’s remaining rebel-held enclave.'

Al Qaida and related extreme groups, and IS, never mention morale hitting rock bottom. Just silence from them is the norm.

This quote tells me that the ones now being bombed and shelled out of Aleppo are ordinary anti-government fighters who look to help from the outside world, but being less religiously extreme, they become demoralized when, as usual, it fails to materialize in the way they still hope for and expect.

Official sources, link below, list 926 civilian casualties from the Mosul operation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BattleofMosul_(2016)

If ya gonna use Wikipedia for Mosul, use Wikipedia for Aleppo then too. Use the same sources, to compare apples to apples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mosul_(2016)

926 civilians killed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Aleppo_(2012%E2%80%93present)

10,800+ overall deaths and 4,500+ missing

The Russia-Syria coalition is obviously then not doing a much better job at limiting civilian casualties.

Moreover, the Russia-Syria coalition is gaining ground much quicker.

It'd be surprising if they're not - they're using scorched-earth tactics! They're bombing anything in their way.

(And scorched-earth tactics have never been good at limiting civilian casualties anyways.)

Mosul and Aleppo are classic example of the differences on how to take a city:

Mosul and Aleppo are both besieged cities.

The big difference is how the besiegers are besieging the cities.

One cares about keeping the locals to live again in the city after the siege is over; the other doesn't care if the locals never live there again.

That affects the tactics that are employed in taking the city. The Iraqi coalition has to fight block-by-block close-quarters engagements, using smaller munitions and less bombings - that increases the possible casualties to the soldiers, but it decreases the possible casualties to the civilians (basically the soldiers are themselves taking more of the risks, so that the risks on the civilians are lessened). And also importantly, less bombing preserves as much of the city as possible and thus once again livable.

The difference is that the Iraqi government has a stake in what happens to the Sunni people in Mosul.

(And what reason why would Assad care what happens to the Sunni people of Aleppo? There's Assad's answer right there.)

Why would the Iraq government care about what happens to these people? Because the Shiite-Sunni-Kurd alliance is what's keeping Iraq together - otherwise, the partition of Iraq would be inevitable. (The Baghdad government doesn't want the country to separate into pieces.)

"Advancement is supposed to be slow. It could go much faster if we could just drop bombs all over Mosul. But of course we won't ever do that." -- Kurd Peshmerga commander

This is the difference between Mosul and Aleppo, commanders like these

You're referencing the casualties from the entire 4 year war in Aleppo, including the thousands that the rebels inflicted.

The Iraqi government offensive to retake Mosul which started last month has caused 946 civilian casualties.

The Syrian government offensive to retake Aleppo which started last month has caused 341 civilian casualties.

So then just divide it by the # of months, then ya get # casualties per month

Simply because Mosul started this month, ya can't just take this one month only in Aleppo because Aleppo has been going on for longer and thus the sieges are at different stages of their operations - yet the civilian deaths in Aleppo in the previous months still count (can't just erase those months like they didn't happen). So have it per month (Mosul gets its one month, while Aleppo gets averaged)

But ya have to take from the same source when both data are available from the same source (in your case Wikipedia). So if ya gonna use Wiki on one, they ya have to use Wiki on the other too.

BTW, neither of those Wikipedia links delineate between which sides killed how many civilians, but ya cited it as just a number, so I merely followed the same thing you did by citing the other corresponding number (to make it apples and apples, as mentioned)

You seem to be grabbing at straws, firstly you referenced total casualties, including combatants and then compared them to civilian casualties.

Wait, you're the one that cited the Wiki link that referenced a number that didn't delineate, so I merely posted the other corresponding number from the same source Wiki website (so that it's the same source as yours)

Both Aleppo and Mosul have been long, complex battles

Mosul just started compared to Aleppo which has been going on for longer, ya even mentioned that

The operation to retake Aleppo didn't just start in November; they've been trying to retake Aleppo for months (just because they weren't as successful back then doesn't mean they weren't trying)

Again, Kudos to the Russians and Syrians in their battle to retake Aleppo, they have clearly been more successful and careful than their American and Iraqi counterparts.

Not if ya look at the casualties per month with all the bombings - that's why Aleppo is already a wrecked unlivable city, while Mosul will likely survive as a livable city afterwards

And can even depend on how one defines "successful" there too - for instance, Germany's blitzkrieg was pretty successful too, but then they also used scorched earth tactics - while Germany took Polish and Russian cities quite quickly, they didn't care much for the civilians

So if ya don't care much for the civilians, one can say they're successful in that regard (and really, why would Assad care for the Sunni locals of Aleppo? he has no reason to, and his actions reflect that)

The number I referenced is right from the article that we're commenting on

The government’s offensive to take eastern Aleppo killed 341 civilians

Are you saying that the AP is lying about this figure?

Nah, just that different sources can have different methods, so whenever possible I try to use numbers from the same source, just to minimize that possible differences

So either we use both numbers from AP sources or both numbers from Wikipedia sources, but since we don't have both numbers from AP while Wikipedia readily has both numbers, we're forced to use Wikipedia this time

(And even I try not to use Wikipedia for these types of "active" conflicts numbers --active as in the numbers come fast and furious but hard to actually audit-- Wikipedia is usually not updated fast enough to keep up with these types. That's why I cited instead the NPO tracker above https://airwars.org/data/ since they seem to keep up with it better. Lemme see later if I can find more data more specifically about Mosul as well as Aleppo.)