Trump stand-ins struggle to speak for and defend nominee

Trump will issue more details

Until he doesn't. Or until he revises them. Or until he say he was being sarcastic. Or until he says his words were taken out of context. He's flip-flopping and slip-sliding away as he gets nearer his destination.

For someone running as an outsider, he's gone full-on Republican. He's showing he has no policies of even fluffy substance, instead just attacks and distorts what's said by the opposition. He's carrying on the modern GOP's approach: just say no to any ideas that come from the other side but offer no alternatives.

Has he released his health info or his tax records yet?

Maybe they can't explain what Trump means because Trump can't explain what Trump means.

For a supposed straight talker, he causes a hell of a lot of confusion.

Maybe they can't explain what Trump means because Trump can't explain what Trump means.

Trumps messages are simple, precise, to the point, practical and easy to understand...Hope mistaken MSM will realize it soon.

Trump’s first tweet about the shooting ended this way: “Just what I have been saying. African-Americans will VOTE TRUMP!” A few hours later, he followed up with a tweet offering condolences to Wade and his family.

That's a bit like, deport first, ask questions later. Or perhaps... shoot first, ask questions later. Or maybe announce confusing policies. Revise later. Or insult first, decline it ever happened later.

I see a pattern.

Trump has been at this for a little over a year. His opponent has been at the top echelon of policy making her entire adult life. But she still can't sell her ideas because even 90% of Democrats don't trust her. So she isn't out taking her message directly to the people. I listened to most of the shows this morning and there was exactly one question about Hillary's policies and programs. It isn't what the country is looking for. The rest was Trump, Trump, Trump.

Then lucky for her Trump is talking himself out of the presidency! If it were almost any other candidate she'd have a major problem on her hands.

" “Just what I have been saying. African-Americans will VOTE TRUMP!” At least he didn't say Colored People will vote Trump. Trump made little to n sense to me when he started running and he still doesn't male sense. He's said so much that can't be backup up or explained coherently that even those in his camp can't either.

When I thing 'presidential', I think of someone who is calm and collected, and thick-skinned. I don't think of someone who slangs insults against anyone who bothers them.

Trump: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html

Now if you compiled a list of Obama's insults regarding opponents and enemies or what not, I imagine the list would be pretty near empty.

Polar opposites.

Trump has been at this for a little over a year. His opponent has been at the top echelon of policy making her entire adult life. But she still can't sell her ideas because even 90% of Democrats don't trust her. So she isn't out taking her message directly to the people. I listened to most of the shows this morning and there was exactly one question about Hillary's policies and programs. It isn't what the country is looking for. The rest was Trump, Trump, Trump.

Hillary has ideas? That's a new one. Hillary has to try to convince the independent voting block that she's a capable and a candidate that is trustworthy and I don't know how she's going to pass that off. People do appreciate the boldness and honesty of Trump, on some things he should be a bit more subtle when he speaks, but other than that, he should shoot straight as an arrow.

Hillary has to try to convince the independent voting block that...

At the moment Hillary doesn't have to try to convince them anything, she just has to sit back and let Trump continue convincing the independent voting block that he is the wrong choice.

@Bass he should shoot straight as an arrow.

Instead of like the paper airplane in a breeze he has been so far? Or is shooting all he and his followers really care about.

Well, Hillary can sit back, but independent voters are deeper thinking than that. They're going to look at the overall picture and rightfully so, it's chicken or fish, you either want a loudmouth and a hot-tempered guy or a habitual lying crook that thinks smiles are the best way for her to win people over.

Straight as an arrow?

As in the arrows referenced in Abenomics?

Someone should ask straight shooter Trump if his hire of wife abuser Bannon as his campaign manager will correlate to 95 or 99 percent of women lining up to vote Trump.

"On some things he should be a bit more subtle when he speaks, but other than that, he should shoot straight as an arrow."

What things should he be "subtle" ( PC? ) about? You and other Trump supporters have mentioned something similar but are hesitant to say what they are.

Please tell us what they are.

Trump’s first tweet about the shooting ended this way: “Just what I have been saying. African-Americans will VOTE TRUMP!” ... A few hours later, he followed up with a tweet offering condolences to Wade and his family.

That tells you all you need to know about Trump. His first thought upon hearing of a tragedy is how to exploit it for his personal benefit. After a few hours of contemplation (or perhaps prodding from someone on his staff) he might notice that the tragedy causes someone some kind of suffering and react to that suffering in a way that resembles a human being with emotions. Maybe. If that also benefits his goals. You never know.

This is a sick sick joke that gets worse each day, the fact that trump still has lots of supporters shows how bad its getting in the US & its really shone a strong light of the GOP & CLEARLY shows what is so so wrong with it, its all out in the open now folks, the GOP can no longer control itself.

Lets hope enough sensible american's put the GOP as it is today out of the worlds collective misery!

I never liked Romney last round but he looks truly golden to me after watching trump & is hanger on losers spew their garbage day in day out!

Please tell us what they are.

Go back and listen to his latest speeches. Maybe for you, they lack more broader specifics, but to be fair, both he and Hillary need to clarify their positions better.

Lets hope enough sensible american's put the GOP as it is today out of the worlds collective misery!

So, you are saying we should have a one party system?

I never liked Romney last round but he looks truly golden to me after watching trump & is hanger on losers spew their garbage day in day out!

That's all the country needed another good looking do nothing politician. Been there, done that.

@ GW

Bravo! Name calling is clearly the sign of the mentally superior!

This article seems a little opinionated, considering that it isn`t even really news. How about Robert Byrd who was actually a KKK member and mentor of Clinton. That seemed to be the big story this weekend. I guess JT must have missed that one....

WHOOPS!

If you live in Obama's City of Chicago it is only a matter of time before you become a shooting statistic. -And the criminals could care less if you are a mother or child. The city of Detroit is even worse since they do not need to report the crime or keep statistics of said crimes.

I assume Hillary took another day off and got some more needed rest.

How about Robert Byrd who was actually a KKK member and mentor of Clinton. That seemed to be the big story this weekend.

The big story as spun by Foxentertainment and the alt right (and most often wrong) media. That might be one of the flimsiest attempts to smear I've ever heard. Straw grasping at it's worst. Until, of course, the desperate right's next slimy smear.

http://www.snopes.com/clinton-byrd-photo-klan/

The big story as spun by Foxentertainment and the alt right (and most often wrong) media. That might be one of the flimsiest attempts to smear I've ever heard. Straw grasping at it's worst. Until, of course, the desperate right's next slimy smear.

Spun? LOL Good on FOX, if not for them, the rest of the MSM would have swept it under the rug. And don't even go there with the slimy talk, please. Hillary called Blacks "Super predators" do you remember that racist statement or do libs just want to hold on to their selective memories?

Sorry there PTown...

No smear. Hillary`s actual mentor was actually the founder of 150+ KKK lodge. That was the big story over the weekend. (Old News in my opinion). Your golden child Hillary has bloody paw prints, sticks of hell in her pay-to-play foundation, was more than happy to bomb Libya and get the migrant crisis going.

You like a loser. And her health is going down hill.

"I like him because he's a straight talker" if you say that your as dumb as S**t, Jim Jefferies

bass4funkAUG. 29, 2016 - 10:49AM JST

"Lets hope enough sensible american's put the GOP as it is today out of the worlds collective misery!"

So, you are saying we should have a one party system?

"As it is today." That doesn't mean a one party system, does it? Is this distorting of other people's comments deliberate?

You like a loser. And her health is going down hill

Ditto for Trump... they're both in their 70s and as far as I'm concerned one term presidencies at most. I'd prefer someone who is far less into their retirement years in the oval office.

"Please tell us what they are."

"Go back and listen to his latest speeches. Maybe for you, they lack more broader specifics, but to be fair, both he and Hillary need to clarify their positions better."

I have no idea what you are talking about. I asked you what he should be "subtle" about as you put it. Can't you just say what issues he should be more subtle about? Let me help you out. Is it women? People with disabilities? Mexicans? Muslims? Who or what?

It's very confusing this. The Trump supporters love his disdain for PC and then hint he should be more "subtle" ( PC? ) about issues they refuse to identify. They sound as confused as Trump's team.

some14someAUG. 29, 2016 - 07:51AM JST

Trumps messages are simple, precise, to the point, practical and easy to understand...Hope mistaken MSM will realize it soon.

You should be hoping the GOP and Trump's campaign team realise it first.

For everyone claiming Hillary's mentor was a KKK guy, please explain why the NAACP would mourn his passing if he was a racist: http://www.naacp.org/press/entry/naacp-mourns-the-passing-of-u.s.-senator-robert-byrd/

More despicable smear attempts by the right.

This is what Trump said of Mitt Romney “Failed Presidential Candidate”“didn't show his tax return until SEPTEMBER 21, 2012, and then only after being humiliated by Harry R”“bad messenger for estab!”“failed”“one of the dumbest and worst candidates in the history of Republican politics”“

Reading it leaves me with the feeling Trump is referring to himself. September 21 will come and pass and he Trump won't have released his tax return. How can any human being with a brain continue to support this con artist ?

Trump probably knows Pence has working to replace him. But many prefer Trump to Pence.

This guy Byrd, HILLARY`S MENTOR, tried voting down the civil rights movement int 1964.

Now Strangerland is convinced that he is a "good guy". So know you support a known KKK lodge founder. This is exactly the type of weakness, bleeding heart movement that will bring down America.

That is like saying; "Here is a convicted child rapist, but now he is really really sorry and sees the error of his ways. Lets give him a job as Minister of Child Welfare"

People like you make me sick

You think it`s ok that the president of the US meets and supports hate groups which hold rallies and gun down police and burn neighborhoods? (BLM)

More mistruths from the right. BLM is not a hate group, and have condemned all of the killings of police, as well a the burning down of neighborhoods.

But the right won't let the truth get in the way of a good smear campaign.

Now Strangerland is convinced that he is a "good guy". So know you support a known KKK lodge founder. This is exactly the type of weakness, bleeding heart movement that will bring down America.

Then why did the NAACP mourn him?

The KKK thing is just another invented controversy where the bubble masters leave out key pieces of information and hand out versions to be used as talking points. It will go away on it's own except in the GOP mainstream media and I can't imagine it will actually sway someone to vote for Trump.

The GOP thinks they've found this clever shortcut to the black vote that requires no effort on their part and requires no changes to their platform at all. It's just so oddly detached from reality. At some point Trump is going to have to deliver his "you are broke and have nothing to lose" speech to a large group of black people. So far it's been whites arguing with other whites. I'm curious to see what the reaction will be.

"As it is today." That doesn't mean a one party system, does it? Is this distorting of other people's comments deliberate?

No, not at all, but from what it seems, optic wise, liberals are content with having a ONE party government. Get the hammer and sickles out folks.

Then why did the NAACP mourn him?

I think a lot of people didn't know the who Byrd really was, but most Blacks that I know and older couldn't stand the guy, either way, Hillary said, he was a mentor to her, a former Grand Dragon of the KKK, a man that advocated and supported segregation and racially separation and believed that Blacks were inferior. Now, having said that and knowing that Hillary called Blacks super predators, I won't call her a bigot, but I am uncomfortable with a woman of that caliber embracing a former Klansman, therefore, when libs jump on Trump for not denouncing David Duke, that's not even in the same category, regardless of how you guys want to spin it.

I dont care that he changed (oh no, did he FLIP FLOP?) , I care WHY he changed?

In 1997, Byrd told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics but also warned, "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena

Basically he "changed" to continue to serve in politics and get the government check. He knew that modern society would not support his views anymore. The NAACP mourned him because he had lots to make up for concerning his KKK past, so swung over to the other side and used his considerable influence to pass a lot of laws that were positive for African Americans.

I am glad that he saw the error of his ways, but Hillary cant say those things about Trump when her "mentor" did much much worse prior to changing in the name of "politics".

I think a lot of people didn't know the who Byrd really was

So let me get this straight. You think the NAACP is going to mourn an ex-KKK guy without being absolutely sure that they knew who he was? So they just decided to put out an announcement mourning this guy, thinking 'hey, he may be ok. We don't really know, but whatever'. And in not really knowing who this guy was, you think they would make this statement:

"Senator Byrd went from being an active member of the KKK to a being a stalwart supporter of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and many other pieces of seminal legislation that advanced the civil rights and liberties of our country.

"Senator Byrd came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda, doing well on the NAACP Annual Civil Rights Report Card. He stood with us on many issues of crucial importance to our members from the reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act, the historic health care legislation of 2010 and his support for the Hate Crimes Prevention legislation," stated Hilary O. Shelton, Director of the NAACP Washington Bureau and Senior Vice President for Advocacy and Policy. "Senator Byrd was a master of the Senate Rules, and helped strategize passage of legislation that helped millions of Americans. He will be sorely missed."

And if he was such a racist KKK guy, why exactly was he supporting the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights act? Was this a secret ploy by the KKK? A plant? And if he was a plant, what exactly was the goal - how did he help the KKK after he got himself planted?

I think I'd prefer to go with the truth - the guy joined the KKK when he was young, realized the errors of his ways, and spent his life trying to work against KKK ideals.

knowing that Hillary called Blacks super predators,

No she didn't. More smear campaign tactics from the right.

libs jump on Trump for not denouncing David Duke

You mean the same David Duke who is "still an active member of another white supremacist organization, NAAWP: the National Association for the Advancement of White People. Duke, a prominent Holocaust denier (although he describes himself as a "Holocaust exposer"), also has a more-than-passing interest in politics: the former member of the Louisiana House of Representatives has run for the U.S. Senate, governor of Louisiana, and President of the United States. Duke has spent his life founding and supporting various white nationalist and white supremacist groups"?

Is that the David Duke you are saying Trump didn't need to disavow?

Pence replied: “Well, what you heard him describe there, in his usual plainspoken, American way, was a mechanism, not a policy.”

And the bull-puckey meter just went off the chart.

This isn't flip-flopping. This is the Trump campaign in crisis mode and desperately trying to find a way to put a positive spin on the reality that they have a candidate who simply does not know how or when to shut up.

Trump is right though. The campaign should just stop and let Trump be Trump. He's wanted that all along, after all.

Let everyone see Trump Unleashed so the electorate can finally experience the full horror of this uniquely ignorant, bigoted, unqualified train wreck of a candidate.

Here's what I think will happen before all is said and done. Trump will implode convincingly and comprehensively, Mike Pence will become the new GOP presidential nominee, and Chris Christie will slide into the newly vacated VP spot. Then the GOP will lose for a third consecutive, but final time in the general election, subsequently exploding in an angry red mist, before slowly disipating to the winds of historical "What the hell were they thinking courting racists?" irrelevance.

bass4funkAUG. 29, 2016 - 12:44PM JST

"As it is today." That doesn't mean a one party system, does it? Is this distorting of other people's comments deliberate? No, not at all, but from what it seems, optic wise, liberals are content with having a ONE party government.

The state of your optics is your problem.

@Strangerland, It will all come out in the open during the debates.Trump will skewer crooked Hillary to the very end, Percentage polling points will drastically change and the "superlibs" will cry "politically correct" foul.

@Yakyak, It will all come out in the open during the debates. Hillary will destroy Don the Con to the very end, Her percentage polling points will drastically increase and the "right-wingers" will cry "rigged system".

See how my speculation negates yours?

Until the debates happen, none of us know what will happen.

More despicable smear attempts by the right.

Non-issue for me. I agree, ridiculous smear. Much more serious issues to confront Hillary on.

Non-issue for me. I agree, ridiculous smear. Much more serious issues to confront Hillary on.

Thanks FizzBit. We have our disagreements on issues, but it's nice to see someone from the right acknowledging this. You're right, there are more serious issues.

Thanks FizzBit. We have our disagreements on issues, but it's nice to see someone from the right acknowledging

Your welcome. I got a shiver (LOL) when you said "from the right". Never thought of myself that way. Never voted for a Repblican. Bill, Natural Law Party, Nader, Obama (once). Many need to understand our support for Trump is not about right or left, but tired of the establishment. My votes prove that.

The GOP has been shattered. Let's review. People closest to Trump are not sure of what his idea of his policy is. Nobody can know whether to support him or reject him or do nothing. Opponents are free to attack what he said, what he MIGHT say, and what his supporters might or might not say. It is like a battleship being reduced to half speed with rudder damage, moving in circles, waiting to be torpedoed... like the Bismarck in its last hours. Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh look like geniuses compared to what Trump is doing. Imagine that.

That is bad. But it is not the worst of it. Campus GOP groups are splitting or are just not discussing or holding any events for the presidential race. Not only is the future not going to vote for Trump, but they are now looking at all the moderate stalwarts flailing helplessly in dealing with Trump. There is no leadership now, and the leadership of tomorrow must be utterly dismayed. The only party talking about what they care about is the Dems.

And the rank and file? The youngest person who could have voted for Reagan is about 50 now. That means that the Bush family IS the GOP to many many GOP voters. Now Bush and Trump and McCain and Romney, the "Western" moderate wing of the GOP is crumbling and there is nothing to replace it. Colorado is going blue, and Texas might be following them.

GOP contributors have held back, and reports are coming out now that the finances are "strained" by the lack of coordination between the presidential campaign and down ticket campaigns.

Trump has really stepped in it. The GOP elected a candidate with zero experience, beholden to nobody, and just not circumspect enough to seek help or accept it. Only a little more than 70 days to go.

It will all come out in the open during the debates. Hillary will destroy Don the Con to the very end, Her percentage polling points will drastically increase and the "right-wingers" will cry "rigged system".

So I guess we both can agree the system is rigged.

Big week for Trump. If he screws up his immigration proposal it might be the end of him. Does he walk back the extreme statements or reinforce them?

So let me get this straight. You think the NAACP is going to mourn an ex-KKK guy without being absolutely sure that they knew who he was?

Pretty much, either that or there is a massive double standard going on Both in the KKK, one a grand Dragon and the other Imperial Wizard if the NAACP feel they don't need to condemn Byrd, then Trump doesn't have to denounce his endorsement, that is, if you libs want to be fair.

So they just decided to put out an announcement mourning this guy, thinking 'hey, he may be ok. We don't really know, but whatever'. And in not really knowing who this guy was, you think they would make this statement:

It's just funny, how liberals and Democrats can embrace Byrd or Wilson who was another out in the open racist and screened "The Birth of a Nation in the White House" thought it was one of the greatest movies he's ever seen and then when an idiot like Duke says, he supports Trump that the man is racist or the millions of people Black, White, Latino are racists because they like Trump, but give a total pass on Hillary when she said, Blacks were super predators, embraced a former KKK Imperial Wizard just because the NAACP refuses to condemn the guy. But I shouldn't be that surprised about the hypocrisy from the left. Sure, I think Trump was slow to comment on the Duke endorsement, but that's what he does. He endorsed McCain and Romney as well. All of these guys are the worst of the worst and whether it's Duke or Byrd, being associated with ANY hate group for me is the absolute worst and I would never respect either, even if one of them turned to politics and became a congressman. I guess we should give George Wallace as pass as well.

strangerland, youre under the impression the NAACP is some kind of pure moral organization. hmm, once upon a time. and then politics took over.

bass4funkAUG. 29, 2016 - 03:18PM JST

Both in the KKK, one a grand Dragon and the other Imperial Wizard if the NAACP feel they don't need to condemn Byrd, then Trump doesn't have to denounce his endorsement, that is, if you libs want to be fair.

Being a bit economical with the facts so you can equate the two situations, hm? Has David Duke renounced and apologised for his views, and repudiated the KKK?

Nice Bass. Hillary is not a racist, she's an equal opportunity warmonger who has no qualms about killing whites or blacks. The Clash's Ghetto Defendent comes to mind when thinking about Hillary's hegomonic adventures. Laughing at the brutal death of kaddaffi, her total support of Bills Iraqi sanctions that killed more than 10,000 children, her record waepons sales to Saudi Arabia which is now committing genocide against the Yemens with full (no MSM coverage) support from the peace prize winner. Total face palm with some tears of my country's evil ways, and for what, a little bit of money.

if the NAACP feel they don't need to condemn Byrd

No no, we aren't talking about a lack of condemnation of Byrd, we are talking about a press release directly praising him and mourning his passing when he died.

Anyways, you can be as unreasonable as you want in trying to smear Hillary on this matter, any person who his able to think rationally on the matter is going to see that if the NAACP not only didn't condemn the man, but praised him significantly upon his death it means that his KKK issue is a non-issue.

strangerland, youre under the impression the NAACP is some kind of pure moral organization. hmm, once upon a time. and then politics took over.

And you really think the politics of an organization whose purpose is to promote civil rights of non-white people is going to praise a KKK member upon his death? That's tinfoil hat territory.

Looks like it's going to be President Crooked Hillary Wall Street Clinton in January. Thanks a lot, Democrats.

Moderator: No derogatory names for candidates please.

Defending Trump or explaining his campaign positions = nailing jelly to the wall.

The economy, illegal immigration, and the Clintons of course. Those are the core issues. Everything else is peripheral. The majority of likely voters do support a border wall, by the way. As Gingrich put it, “we haven’t even seen 10% of what we are gonna learn in September, she is going to drown under the impact."

It looks like it'll be President Hillary Clinton. Thanks a lot, Democrats.

There wont be any President Hillary. The debates, more emails, her own health issues and lack of enthusiasm among voters will take care of all of that.

Confusion in the ranks seems to be rampant. I think the Republican Party would be far better by Preibus doing a Pontius Pilate on Trump and turn the partys attention to next time. Id gladly give him the towel for when he would dry his hands afterwards. All the surrogates can do is rearrange the seating arrangements of the Wilhelm Gustloff, so I would hope that more reasonable ones would find themselves better things to do.

"I guess we should give George Wallace as pass as well"

Trump will leave a Trump-sized hole if he loses in November and there are already rumblings that he's betraying the extreme statements which got him so much support. It's clear many want him to walk the walk.

I'm not exaggerating when I say something like George Wallace is possible in 2020. Trump has kicked over a rock and there will be opportunists looking at what's under it.

It looks like it'll be President Hillary Clinton. Thanks a lot, Democrats

No need to thank me. Just buy me a beer and we`re all good.

bass4funk: "Hillary has ideas? That's a new one. Hillary has to try to convince the independent voting block that she's a capable and a candidate that is trustworthy and I don't know how she's going to pass that off."

b-b-b-b-b-b-but whatabouthillaryobamathelibs??

Face it, bass, you no longer need to hide in denial. Pence can barely do it, and can't do it at all with a serious face (yesterday he had to admit to a nearly empty speaking hall that he is a "b-rate candidate"), and Trump's new (after the shake up you guys need to call an 'expansion' because you can't admit it was a shake up) campaign manager even admitted Trump's comment on African Americans after the shooting was out of line.

So, bass, what do YOU think of Trump's comment?

'Trump’s first tweet about the shooting ended this way: “Just what I have been saying. African-Americans will VOTE TRUMP!”'

I'm not asking you about Hillary; I'm asking you flat out about your opinion on what Trump said, and if you support it or not. No deflecting.

"There wont be any President Hillary. The debates, more emails,..."

I dunno, Blacklabel, I think no matter how many more emails Wikileaks leaks,or scandals are uncovered, Hillary will remain invincible, lol.

"It looks like it'll be President Hillary Clinton. Thanks a lot, Democrats"

"No need to thank me. Just buy me a beer and we`re all good."

You won't believe how bad a Hillary Clinton presidency would be. It wouldn't be good for almost everyone.

Delay release and cook up a diversion is the most likely course.

Along with slimy smear campaigns, which FOXentertainment, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity and others in the nutso-right, never-met-a-fact-that-can't-be-distorted-and-spun media will gladly do, along with whinging about his actual words being truthfully reported by the alleged MSM, plus reverse attacks, lawsuits (to be added to his 3,500 prior ones) and who knows what else.

Given he's over 70 and has long carried extra weight, he really should release his health info, and of course with it his tax returns.

It looks like it'll be President Hillary Clinton. Thanks a lot, Democrats.

You're more than welcome. Glad to do my part.

No no, we aren't talking about a lack of condemnation of Byrd, we are talking about a press release directly praising him and mourning his passing when he died.

Which is bad enough.

Anyways, you can be as unreasonable as you want in trying to smear Hillary on this matter,

No, it doesn't matter how you libs want to spin it. Hillary can't get out of this one, her getting on Trump about him NOT disavowing Duke is equally bad as Clinton praising a former Grand Dragon of the same organization or is there such thing as a moderate KKK and an extremist KKK? LOL

any person who his able to think rationally on the matter is going to see that if the NAACP not only didn't condemn the man, but praised him significantly upon his death it means that his KKK issue is a non-issue.

But these are the same people that in the past condemned the Klan for their atrocities that they committed, so once again, we have an organization cherry picking what is racist and what is not, depending on where you politically stand. Astounding!

Poll of Evangelicals ... 22 % more for Hillary. Some organizations pretend supporting Trump to instigate his behavior. and now showing their true color.

The most bizarre surreal (and funniest) US Presidential election in my lifetime. (I'm not so young. It's SNL politics.) Where is John Stewart when America needs him?

"It looks like it'll be President Hillary Clinton. Thanks a lot, Democrats"

"You're more than welcome. Glad to do my part."

How can you be glad to be a Hillary supporter after watching these latest Youtube segments by H.A. Goodman:

"BREAKING NEWS: Billionaire Clinton Foundation Donor Given Favors But Denied Entry Into U.S."

And this:" NEW CLINTON EMAIL SCANDAL: Hillary Clinton Used Software to Delete Personal Files as SOS"

Face it, bass, you no longer need to hide in denial.

That Hillary is one of the worst candidates....I mean, worst Washington elite elected? No, I've never been in denial about that.

Pence can barely do it, and can't do it at all with a serious face (yesterday he had to admit to a nearly empty speaking hall that he is a "b-rate candidate"), and Trump's new (after the shake up you guys need to call an 'expansion' because you can't admit it was a shake up) campaign manager even admitted Trump's comment on African Americans after the shooting was out of line.

Don't worry, it's an American election for Americans, I think the people can decide.

So, bass, what do YOU think of Trump's comment?

'Trump’s first tweet about the shooting ended this way: “Just what I have been saying. African-Americans will VOTE TRUMP!”'

I'm not asking you about Hillary; I'm asking you flat out about your opinion on what Trump said, and if you support it or not. No deflecting.

I don't deflect. I don't think what he said was that out of line.

You know, I think we have gotten to a tipping point where none of the alt right or even right stuff is sticking anymore. As Trump has blown his credibility even in his own party, and as even his allies like Palin, Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter have deserted him, the BEST he can accomplish is to bleat out something that everyone will KNOW is just an attempt at fence mending. That will just make him look weaker and more uncertain. He has stopped "telling it like it is."

He has lost his mojo.

Hillary emails? Nobody cares anymore. Benghazi? That is just more bashing that never came to anything. KKK and Hillary? Nobody really believes it. And the Byrd thing is so old news anyway. NO1CURR. Hillary is sick? No. No she isn't. And her health report was not written in 5 minutes. None of that stuff is going to stick. The Clinton foundation? Already planned for pruning, so not an issue.

Meanwhile Trump is swatting flies. He has to either walk back on immigration or double down. Both are suicide. Each is suicide. He still has his tax records. He has Manafort scandals. His wife violated her visa status. His businesses are failing and might be fraudulent. The onslaught is withering, and I have a feeling that there is a lot worse to come.He is not just reacting, he is reeling and his supporters are running. Shattered.

What is the issue that is going to give him his Mojo back? I think he has to take a time machine and go back where he lost it. That is the only place he can find it again.

So consider: You are Hillary Clinton and looking at the debates. There are at least two independent candidates who want to join the debates. At this point, aren't you starting to think that letting them participate, just to show how much BETTER they are than Trump, is the smart move? I mean, making it Trump vs. Clinton is starting to look like everyone is giving him too much credit. Maybe Hillary can look most presidential while fighting off absurdities from three sides rather than just name calling with the Donald. And if they DON'T gang up on her, they are going to look pretty dumb arguing with each other. Stay tuned. We might yet see the "law and order" candidate Trump come out in favor of marijuana legalization.

Given he's over 70 and has long carried extra weight, he really should release his health info, and of course with it his tax returns.

Plus his likely prostate cancer. I don't have any proof of that but if we all team up and say that he does then maybe we can scare some people out of voting for him.

bass: Pretty much, either that or there is a massive double standard going on Both in the KKK, one a grand Dragon and the other Imperial Wizard if the NAACP feel they don't need to condemn Byrd, then Trump doesn't have to denounce his endorsement, that is, if you libs want to be fair.

Ok, sounds fair to me. Trump and Clinton are equally racist. Agreed?

Robert Byrd?

Heh, good god the

Followers are desperate

5SpeedRacer5 AUG. 29, 2016 - 10:21PM JST

Very astute post that was a pleasure to read! No Trump supporter's posts come anywhere close to matching it.

What a horrible mess the GOP has made for itself -- and it's nothing they can blame on Hillary and the Democrats.

The GOP? Why do you drones think this is right vs left? I guess the Left wants you to think that way, and you follow like the good monkeys you are.

As Fizz said, this isn't a right and left issue at all. The funny thing is, you guys think the GOP is corrupt, pretty much, so how about the Democrats? What are they? Honest decent exemplary models of the highest integrity? Oh, please give me a good laugh.

how about the Democrats? What are they? Honest decent exemplary models of the highest integrity?

The problem is that it requires intellectual integrity to determine the differences. To a pig in the mud, the whole world seems dirty.

1/20/17 - "Madame President" !

So, Ossan, that means you're voting for Clinton, right?

How can you be glad to be a Hillary supporter after watching these latest Youtube segments by H.A. Goodman:

Because H.A. Goodman is a tabloid journalist of the worst kind.

I don't tend to put a lot of credence into the opinion of someone who brazen employs click-bait tactics when they put titles on their "articles" that scream "So-and-so Called HIllary a LIAR!!!" Then after you hop into that tantalizing promise of facts, proof, and evidence based journalism, are treated with Mr. Goldman admitting at the the start of his video, "Okay, well, no one actually used the words 'liar,' but they may as well have! Now listen to me rant for the next 15 minutes!"

That's not journalism. That first-tier hackery.

LFR,

The weak-minded are easily reeled in. Donald Trump is their leader. YouTube uploaders and conspiracy sites are where they get their "facts".

Political Darwinism in motion...

The problem is that it requires intellectual integrity to determine the differences. To a pig in the mud, the whole world seems dirty.

Quoted for truth.

The problem is that it requires intellectual integrity to determine the differences. To a pig in the mud, the whole world seems dirty.

Well, when you put it like that and rationally dissect the DNP, they are sneakier, opportunistic and more conniving, and masters at lying, so I think we pretty much got it.

her getting on Trump about him NOT disavowing Duke is equally bad as Clinton praising a former Grand Dragon of the same organization or is there such thing as a moderate KKK and an extremist KKK?

Why would the NAACP praise any KKK, moderate or otherwise?

You just want to deny the truth, that not only wasn't he KKK, he was an avid supporter and promoter of civil rights, a truly respectable person. And you'd besmear his memory for political purposes. You've truly reached a new low.

Of course he was.

In the early 1940s, Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to create a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Sophia, West Virginia.

According to Byrd, a Klan official told him, "You have a talent for leadership, Bob ... The country needs young men like you in the leadership of the nation." Byrd later recalled, "Suddenly lights flashed in my mind! Someone important had recognized my abilities! I was only 23 or 24 years old, and the thought of a political career had never really hit me. But strike me that night, it did.Byrd became a recruiter and leader of his chapter. When it came time to elect the top officer (Exalted Cyclops) in the local Klan unit, Byrd won unanimously.

Look, if you want to believe BYrd was sincere, fine, I'm not buying it. Once a Klansman, always a Klansman.

In the early 1940s, Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to create a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Sophia, West Virginia.

Since you are so big on being 'fair', please also report his activities in regards to the KKK after that, and what he did in the 70 years after quitting the KKK?

if you want to believe BYrd was sincere, fine, I'm not buying it.

You know who is the least likely to buy insincerity, the NAACP, an organization of members who are directly hated by the KKK. So please answer the question you keep ignoring (since you think it's so important to be fair) - why would the NAACP issue a press release both praising and mourning him when he passed?

Trump stand-ins struggle to speak for and defend nominee

Trump has the same problem.

bass: In the early 1940s, Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to create a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Sophia, West Virginia.

This is the 3rd time in a week that you've been caught plagiarizing....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

"In the early 1940s, Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to create a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Sophia, West Virginia."

Please cite your sources.

Since you are so big on being 'fair', please also report his activities in regards to the KKK after that, and what he did in the 70 years after quitting the KKK?

That is not the point, the point is both were in the KKK an organization that was designed to scare and intimidate Blacks and so many of them died under this racist organization that Byrd and Duke were and I could care less if the left wholeheartedly embrace Byrd, the fact is both were Klansmen and both racists, just because both traded in their sheets doesn't make them NOT racists. Again, I'm not buying it. Both men are dirt.

This is the 3rd time in a week that you've been caught plagiarizing....

That's ok, it doesn't take a brain scientist to look up Byrd's bio. But nice try.

That is not the point, the point is both were in the KKK an organization that was designed to scare and intimidate Blacks and so many of them died under this racist organization that Byrd and Duke were and I could care less if the left wholeheartedly embrace Byrd, the fact is both were Klansmen and both racists, just because both traded in their sheets doesn't make them NOT racists.

You keep ignoring this:

So please answer the question you keep ignoring (since you think it's so important to be fair) - why would the NAACP issue a press release both praising and mourning him when he passed?

We both know the truth. You just don't want to admit it because it disproves your smear campaign against Hillary.

Nice try though. Your smear campaign only needed to besmirch the reputation of an honorable man who died fighting for civil rights. Too bad for you the rest of us live in reality.

And so much for your complaints about 'fairness'. If you want fairness, you should first be fair.

We both know the truth. You just don't want to admit it because it disproves your smear campaign against Hillary.

Has nothing to do with me, even my kids can see a photo of both Duke and Byrd in the same bedsheets and would determine them to be in the same group. We have 2 racist men, one deceased, the other alive. One Democrat and congressman and the other a failed run Republican Louisiana State House, both men in politics and both racists. Byrd said, he wasn't, Duke said, he wasn't either, he's a White separatist. Both looney.

Nice try though. Your smear campaign only needed to besmirch the reputation of an honorable man who died fighting for civil rights. Too bad for you the rest of us live in reality.

Ok, so both former KKK men are honorable, one a Dem and the other a former Repub. I got it!

And so much for your complaints about 'fairness'. If you want fairness, you should first be fair.

I said, both men were part of the same racist organization that has a long history of killing Blacks and later both men went into politics, one conservative and the other a Democrat. I played it out, fair and square, what more can I do?

bass4funkSEP. 01, 2016 - 01:21AM JST

I said, both men were part of the same racist organization that has a long history of killing Blacks and later both men went into politics, one conservative and the other a Democrat. I played it out, fair and square, what more can I do?

How about conceding that one turned his back on the KKK and its values, and that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People said of him that he ""became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda."

Doesn't fit the point you want to make, though, does it? The truth can be inconvenient like that.

That is not the point, the point is both were in the KKK an organization that was designed to scare and intimidate Blacks and so many of them died under this racist organization

And this organization want Trump.