White House says Trump stands by claim Obama wiretapped him

Trump acknowledged that he based his initial accusation on news reports that referenced wiretapping generally.

Oh, so now news reports are to be trusted? What happened to the media being so unfair, fake and "the enemy of the people"? What a national embarrassment this clown is!

“There is no question that there were surveillance techniques used throughout this,” Spicer said.

Spicer backing off using a Maxwell Smart 'Would you believe...'

The Apprentice and his Amateur Hour toadies in the White House know Trump's groupies no longer care whether what he says is true or not. The Trump cultist's faith in their political messiah has blinded and deafened them to all criticism of Him.

While the mess that is the White House distracts, the Republicans are looking after their number one interest, which is ensuring the wealth of the nation's richest is made even more secure. Look for more tax breaks for the rich and cutbacks in environmental protection, healthcare, consumer protection, workers protection, in addition to other measures that benefit the public at large.

Encore Gessen quote:

It’s not just that both Putin and Trump lie, it is that they lie in the same way and for the same purpose: blatantly, to assert power over truth itself.

While the mess that is the White House distracts, the Republicans are looking after their number one interest, which is ensuring the wealth of the nation's richest is made even more secure.

For the life of me, I don't know why liberals constantly peddle that myth, but the Democrats taxing everyone out or existence is better? Dear lord....

Look for more tax breaks for the rich

Exactly, more money to put back into the economy and employers to create more jobs, better opportunities, I'm all for it.

and cutbacks in environmental protection, healthcare, consumer protection, workers protection, in addition to other measures that benefit the public at large.

As if the Dems did an outstanding job, especially when it comes to healthcare and union workers, give me a break!

Exactly, more money to put back into the economy and employers to create more jobs, better opportunities, I'm all for it.

Trickle down effect doesn't work.

In post-truth America, it doesn't even matter that Trump is spewing complete BS, as long as he puts it out there it distracts, confuses, divides and that's all that matters. It's no coincidence he tweeted that garbage just prior to 1) releasing details on his comically stupid budget, 2) revealing his astonishingly poor healthcare plan, 3) half his inner team looking set to be outed as foreign traitors, 4) he himself looking about to be snagged as a foreign agent engaged in treason, 5) him reneging on almost all campaign promises, 6) his moronic travel ban once again being blocked as illegitimate.

Judging by all the media coverage on these phantom wiretaps, he has been extremely successful in this smoke and mirrors tactic. The American media needs to wake up and stop treating his BS seriously

"Exactly, more money to put back into the economy and employers to create more jobs, better opportunities, I'm all for it."

"Trickle down effect doesn't work."

It works just fine. The whole purpose was to pump wealth back to to rich.

(1) The budget reflects the philosophy and priorities that people elected him to do. (2) yeah, the healthcare plan still needs work, it was released for review and negotiation not as a final product. (3) not half his team, one guy who he fired. Traitors? nope (4) treason? foreign agent? No, there is no evidence of Russian collusion of anyone, much less Trump himself. (5) he has kept every campaign promise, except maybe to lock up Hillary. It was announced yesterday the State Department wont release documents needed so that investigation has slowed some. (6) Yeah, for now anyway. It is safely blocked until someone decides to view it based on what the law actually says.

Look for more tax breaks for the rich

Exactly, more money to put back into the economy and employers to create more jobs, better opportunities, I'm all for it.

The rich do not create jobs Bass... consumers with disposable income do. Even working poor can be consumers if they had at least some disposable income. From what I'm seeing so far though, the middle class are being forced into the working poor bracket, and once that point is reached there is no disposable income because making sure one meets their needs comes first.

Beside this is about old boy Trump spouting false claims and being proven so far that he's committed slander. The party isn't even backing his claims. Anything to say specifically about that?

It depends what "wire tapping" means including all collateral activities related with Trump's circle and staffs during the campaign.

The Republican and Democratic leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee said in a statement they saw “no indications” of surveillance at Trump Tower in New York as the president claimed in Twitter posts on March 4.

Alrighty.

The top Republican in Congress, House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan, on Thursday added his voice to those saying there was no sign of a wiretap.

OK.

On Wednesday, House of Representatives Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, a Republican, and top Democrat Adam Schiff told reporters they had seen no evidence that Trump Tower was tapped

Got it.

But White House spokesman Sean Spicer forcefully defended Trump’s assertion during a briefing

Loser.

For the life of me, I don't know why liberals constantly peddle that myth, but the Democrats taxing everyone out or existence is better? Dear lord....

Hardly a myth.

It started in recent history with GWB's reduction in dividend tax rates, capital gains tax rates and then estate taxes.

Then you have all the corporate loopholes, which were put there on purpose by the legislature.

Then you have the carried interest where people are taxed at the capital gains rates.

All of these tax reductions were in the name of helping the economy. This is in spite of evidence that people will invest regardless of the tax rates.

The estate tax was and has always been intended to be a wealth tax to limit the risks of America developing into an oligarchy. It wasn't meant to raise revenue. Even then, it never really slowed down the truly rich, e.g., the Kennedy and Rockefeller families are still doing very well.

The GoP instead of helping the poor or developing American citizens, they give windfalls to their pet industries: sugar, coal, oil & gas, military complex, etc.

It works just fine. The whole purpose was to pump wealth back to to rich.

Huh...I never heard of a poor person providing jobs to the unemployed.

The rich do not create jobs Bass... consumers with disposable income do.

So when you go to Apple and apply for a job, the consumer gets you the job??? By the way, when you have out of control taxes and unfriendly small business and to a larger extent big corporate business at 40%, not a lot of people want to dispose of their disposable income.

Even working poor can be consumers if they had at least some disposable income.

The poor can provide a high skilled paying job???

From what I'm seeing so far though, the middle class are being forced into the working poor bracket, and once that point is reached there is no disposable income because making sure one meets their needs comes first.

Since the Democrats eliminated practically the middle class, now you guys think this will hurt them? Wow, just wow.....

Beside this is about old boy Trump spouting false claims and being proven so far that he's committed slander. The party isn't even backing his claims. Anything to say specifically about that?

What claim?

"Since the Democrats eliminated practically the middle class, now you guys think this will hurt them? Wow, just wow....."

Oh, stop it. That's ahistorical partisan garbage. The middle classes and the less well-off have been getting screwed for well over three decades. It was a republican president who started turning the screw and successive presidents have done little or nothing about it.

As you know, the rich did extremely well under the last president you kept calling a socialist.

Oh, stop it. That's ahistorical partisan garbage. The middle classes and the less well-off have been getting screwed for well over three decades.

Yes, and the last 8 years almost wiped them out, screwed is a complete understatement.

It was a republican president who started turning the screw and successive presidents have done little or nothing about it.

And the last since 2009 with his aggressive tax policies, creating stagnant and low income jobs in the private sector, the EPA running amok destroying a lot of farmers and ranchers and people throughout middle America, focusing more on the plight of the world instead of his own country, don't give me that crap!

As you know, the rich did extremely well under the last president you kept calling a socialist.

Yes, but at the same time under the socialist weren't able to build up and crate jobs do to the guys aggressive tax socialist clutches.

If Trump still believes his phones were tapped despite there being no evidence whatsoever it suggests he is suffering from paranoia. It all fits with his constant whining that the media are out to get him. Is a paranoid person, someone who is mentally ill, fit to be president?

Who knows what else Trump believes: perhaps he believes that he is surrounded by aliens in human form (because he has seen it on TV so it must be true). Possibly he has seen a programme about mind readers and thinks that is one of the surveillance techniques used. He certainly seems unable to distinguish between fact and fiction. I think it would be best if he were taken to a mental hospital for treatment as the stress of being surrounded by people he doesn't trust and whom he believes are listening to his conversations will only worsen his condition.

What claim?

Good question. There are so many it is hard to speak in general terms about Trump's claims, let alone his constant lies.

Someone else pointed out trickle down economics or as it was known at the time supply side economics.

Supply side economics was a novel idea, and it was proven false with Reagan and again with GWB. It only created huge deficits and did nothing for the economy or the small businesses you keep referring to. It also made the rich, richer, and the poor, poorer.

If a small business cannot survive in the current environment (including paying the lawful tax), then too bad. It should fail. There is another economic theory that applies, spill-over costs and benefits. If a small business cannot pay for its employees because the hourly rate or minimum benefits are too high , then the employees are paying for the business. Of course, GoP treats less wealthy people as slaves or disposable commodities to be used by those in power. They don't realize that an educated workforce is better for the economy and will not invest in education, unless it is religious education of their particular brand.

"Oh, stop it. That's ahistorical partisan garbage. The middle classes and the less well-off have been getting screwed for well over three decades."

"Yes, and the last 8 years almost wiped them out"

So, you're agreeing that the middle classes and less well-off have been getting screwed for over 3 decades, yet you want to continue with the ideas which screwed them or pump the idea with steroids?

You write articles for the financial section of the Washington Post but your ideas seem to have all the detail of the ideas coming out of the trash right MSM.

I see he's now blaming GCHQ in my country for the wire tapping. Man's a complete moron.

If Trump still believes his phones were tapped despite there being no evidence whatsoever it suggests he is suffering from paranoia. It all fits with his constant whining that the media are out to get him. Is a paranoid person, someone who is mentally ill, fit to be president?

Well, when you think of the Obama administration spying on Merkel, James Rosen and Netanyahu it does seem plausible. So I'm not so sure Trump is suffering from paranoia. I think more the left are finding it harder to run from the truth. Yes, we have No evidence, but at the same time, we are not fools and just gobble up what the far left media wants us to believe.

Who knows what else Trump believes: perhaps he believes that he is surrounded by aliens in human form (because he has seen it on TV so it must be true). Possibly he has seen a programme about mind readers and thinks that is one of the surveillance techniques used.

Or just a bunch of intolerant whiny Democrats trying to undermine his presidency?

He certainly seems unable to distinguish between fact and fiction. I think it would be best if he were taken to a mental hospital for treatment as the stress of being surrounded by people he doesn't trust and whom he believes are listening to his conversations will only worsen his condition.

If I were Trump, I wouldn't trust the intelligence agency either, at the very least, I would keep my eyes and ears open, good on him for that.

@bass

Yes, we have No evidence, but at the same time, we are not fools and just gobble up what the far left media wants us to believe.

Wow. I had no idea that Nunes, Paul Ryan, Lindsey Graham, AG Sessions, the FBI, CIA, NSA,etc. were all far left media.

All you other plebians, bow down and salute our right-win overlords, for only they know the truth. And do not dare question Trump and his tweets!

Sounds a lot like a cult, innit?

I think more the left are finding it harder to run from the truth.

The truth is that the Republicans on the House and the Senate intelligence committees say they have no evidence, the AG says he has seen no evidence, and the House speaker (again, Republican) says there is no evidence. Who's running from the truth again?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/suspicious-dc-cellular-activity-suggests-illegal-monitoring/ar-BBydrjR?li=AA4ZnC&ocid=spartandhp

Somebody is monitoring something in the D.C. area. Sure a lot of coincidental things being reported these days.

As far as Trump specifically, this is going to be hard to prove. (1) most of the data is held by intelligence agencies hostile to him (2) this was illegal so no one is actually going to freely admit it (3) lots of this is probably classified and cant be talked about easily in public or (4) he cant prove it because it didnt actually happen.

Personally, I still believe he has something to prove it, so we will wait until the public hearings next week and see if anyone slips up.

"Yes, we have No evidence, but at the same time, we are not fools and just gobble up what the far left media wants us to believe"

Yes, you have no evidence. Claims require evidence. It really is that simple.

Rightist trash and lunatics were putting it about that Obama isn't a US citizen, a Muslim and the anti-Christ without evidence ( I'm not sure what would constitute evidence for the last one ). A slack-jawed "You never know" isn't how sane and reasonably intelligent people function in these situations.

Money going for more military spending and a wall. Money taken away from agencies that educate the people. It's all as plain as the story in the palm of your hand. For Christ's sake, Trump is it some savior for the middle class. He and his team are nationalist elitists that want to cut access for liberal thinking cultures to American wealth. This is not about saving America, it's about a gigantic power play by men who have no connection to the general population.

Trump stands by claim Obama wiretapped him

(With apologies to Tammy Wynette)

Stand By Your Klan

NSA. That sums it up. What the Snowden leak exposed is that there is a massive surveillance state that collects essentially all data to later be used for whatever reasons, including nefarious ones. So, yes, that included not only the Trump campaign but every campaign, especially the opposition parties. Naves believe otherwise.

Wow. I had no idea that Nunes, Paul Ryan, Lindsey Graham, AG Sessions, the FBI, CIA, NSA,etc. were all far left media.

I wasn't talking about them and you know it, come on, it's Friday.....

All you other plebians, bow down and salute our right-win overlords, for only they know the truth. And do not dare question Trump and his tweets!

No one is saying that, question all you want and should, I also have a lot of questions and do wonder that there might be some serious merit to what Trump says.

The truth is that the Republicans on the House and the Senate intelligence committees say they have no evidence, the AG says he has seen no evidence, and the House speaker (again, Republican) says there is no evidence. Who's running from the truth again?

No evidence doesn't mean, it's not happening or didn't happen, it's just that, they have nothing tangible to go on, the same as with the Dems and their hunt to find something.....anything to connect the Trump team to Russia in the hopes they can find something sinister or nefarious between the two, even though, the Russians admitted they equally met with the Democrats...hmmmm....

Rightist trash and lunatics were putting it about that Obama isn't a US citizen,

Sorry, that came from the Clinton camp, go on....

a Muslim and the anti-Christ without evidence ( I'm not sure what would constitute evidence for the last one ).

No comments on that.

A slack-jawed "You never know" isn't how sane and reasonably intelligent people function in these situations.

I wish everyone on the left would heed your words, well spoken.

I see he's now blaming GCHQ in my country for the wire tapping.

The GCHQ response was "nonsense, utterly ridiculous and should be ignored". That's three denials in one sentence which, for we cynics, is generally taken as confirmation. :-)

So the people who were tasked with FACT FINDING found NO evidence of wiretapping but trumpy stills stands by his statement made via twitter and he cant or is unwilling to offer any proof! Ok,makes perfect sense 8-][

The due date for any proof to be submitted was extended until next Monday per DOJ request. So I would at least wait until then and the public hearing before I get too excited. The comment of I havent seen anything may or may not equal doesnt exist. Maybe they havent seen it because the deadline for it to be gathered and/or submitted has yet to pass? Or maybe it doesnt exist. Wait and see.

"Rightist trash and lunatics were putting it about that Obama isn't a US citizen,"

"Sorry, that came from the Clinton camp, go on...."

Irrelevant even if true. Whoever came up with this baseless, stupid and sinister trash is trash. The same goes for anyone who ran with it. David Duke didn't invent white supremacy. Would it be justified to defend him because he simply jumped on the bandwagon?

The argument from Trump supporters that you never know can easily be turned around. Trump has a history of fantastical claims and barefaced lying - thousands of Muslims dancing on 7/11 ( no evidence ), Obama isn't a US citizen ( sub-tabloid, low-life trash ) and claiming he didn't ask his Twiitter followers to dig out a fictional sex tape on live TV ( a trashy incident and ridiculous lie ).

That said, if he produces evidence for his claim, it has to be taken seriously. He hasn't. None. Nothing. Zero.

And now Trump is involving a 2nd country in his goose chase - and a close friend at that

C'mon man, what are ya doing - it's one thing to have domestic disputes within your own house, but don't bring your good neighbors into your quarrels

The UK has already denied those claims. The US and UK share a lot of intelligence; they're practically one - if there's any issues, all Trump has to do is ask his own US intelligence or UK PM May, whom he is in friendly terms with. Instead, basically what he's doing is embarrassing a friend without even asking that friend about it first

And now that friend has categorically denied it, what's he gonna do? Go after the UK and force them to testify? Actually show some proof? Expose secrets between US intelligence and UK intelligence that they both agreed each other would keep confidential? Because that's the only way he's gonna get any proof, if it exists. (That's like someone spilling to everyone confidential stuff about a friend that they both agreed they would keep only between themselves.)

Don't cast blame on a friend especially without showing proof first - this quarrel is between you and members of your own house. The UK must be thinking, with friends like these, who needs enemies

As someone else noted:

So often it seems as though Trump speaks with the casualness of a buzzed dad at a barbecue. In informal conversations between private citizens, it's perfectly normal, if not a little loose with facts, to speak in gross generalizations. There are no consequences and it sprinkles discussions with a little extra excitement.

Yes, much of Trump's appeal with disenfranchised, anti-establishment voters who do not trust polished politicians was absolutely predicated in part on his ability to speak like he was just your average citizen- the dad at the barbecue, the friend at a party, the mom at book club. He always spoke simply, at first without teleprompters at all, and did not use the heightened rhetoric of his Ivy League peers. This built trust between him and his supporters.

But now that his preferred parlance has more serious consequences, will Trump care? Or will the political benefits of speaking as casually as a parent on the sidelines of a middle school soccer match outweigh the costs of inciting national and international consequences?

Irrelevant even if true.

No, very relevant and very, very true. be mad at the right for claiming such nonsense, but show equal anger towards the source and that came originally came from the left. Don't be a partisan.

Whoever came up with this baseless, stupid and sinister trash is trash.

So we finally agree on one thing about the Clinton's.

The same goes for anyone who ran with it.

Fair enough.

David Duke didn't invent white supremacy. Would it be justified to defend him because he simply jumped on the bandwagon?

No one is defending Duke, he's just a insignificant booger craving for attention.

The argument from Trump supporters that you never know can easily be turned around. Trump has a history of fantastical claims and barefaced lying - thousands of Muslims dancing on 7/11 ( no evidence ), Obama isn't a US citizen ( sub-tabloid, low-life trash ) and claiming he didn't ask his Twiitter followers to dig out a fictional sex tape on live TV ( a trashy incident and ridiculous lie ).

I never claimed Trump talks a lot, I do think he often over exaggerates, but that doesn't make him a liar because HE believes it. The man can believe whatever he wants.

That said, if he produces evidence for his claim, it has to be taken seriously. He hasn't. None. Nothing. Zero.

Yes and the same for left with their Russian conspiracy theories.

@bass but that doesn't make him a liar because HE believes it. The man can believe whatever he wants.

George Costanza said: 'It's not a lie if you believe it'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ

@Bass

Clinton distanced herself from the birther trash. Trump, a man you have accepted is trash, ran with it for years.

"Over exaggerate"

He either saw thousands of Muslims dancing on 7/11 or he didn't - there is no evidence for his claim. His rancid birther trash, created by trash ( whoever created it ) and believed by trash, has no evidence. His lie about the sex tape is a shocking lie.

Just say 'lie'.

I don't accept claims without evidence - particularly from those with a history of lying. I'm shocked you, a person who relies on verifiable sources, fact checking, honesty and integrity to make your living, is prepared to take this leap of faith.

R -I-D-I-C-U-L-O -U-S ! ! ! Just for starters, the Toddler-in-Chief suffers from serious narcissism and paranoia ! And that's, as I said, is just for starters !

Ever since the Electoral College overruled the will of the people, we have had to deal with having an Idiot-in-Chief in the White House. What is going to happen to humanity if something happens requiring a competent adult to deal with it, like the Cuban Missile Crisis?

bass: No evidence doesn't mean, it's not happening or didn't happen, it's just that, they have nothing tangible to go on

It just means you accused someone of something you have no evidence for. That's what you guys don't seem to get. This is an accusation. Within that context, at least a single shred of evidence would be the lowest possible bar, right?

BlackLabel: The due date for any proof to be submitted was extended until next Monday per DOJ request. So I would at least wait until then and the public hearing before I get too excited.

And if nothing comes out of next week, will you drop your support? Or will you continue anyway? If it's the latter, then what's the point of having us wait for a week?

So when you go to Apple and apply for a job, the consumer gets you the job??? By the way, when you have out of control taxes and unfriendly small business and to a larger extent big corporate business at 40%, not a lot of people want to dispose of their disposable income.

You seriously lack perspective. How can a company run and make a profit if it starts losing consumers or has no consumers? The more consumers you get the more jobs you'll need to meet the needs of the amount of consumers you gain. Would an Apple store only have one employee if they have 50 consumers in the store at one time? Would an apple store have 50 employees if they only have one customer? Hopefully that cleared that up for you.

This is exactly what is happening at the pharmacy I work at. We have seen a drastic increase in the amount of clients due to our quality of service, and we don't have enough people in our customer service department to keep our consumers happy and their needs met in a timely manner. Currently there are 9 job opening that need to be filled in that department, and 2 job openings in the production and delivery department. A few months ago we had enough people to make everything go smoothly, because we didn't have as many clients.

Would any wealthy business executive create a job out of thin air if they had no need to? That wouldn't be financially wise now would it? So yes, consumers do create jobs not the other way around.

What claim?

Putting up partisan blinders again are we Bass? Just "pretend it never happened". You know exactly what claim I'm talking about, because it's in the headline You can try to avoid reality, but it's always going to be there looking you in the face at every turn. The truth always stares people in the face, its lies that people have to hide.

come on, it's Friday.....

yeah, Mar-a-Lago time, for crying' out loud!

HonestDictator: The more consumers you get the more jobs you'll need to meet the needs of the amount of consumers you gain.

Yep. I saw an interview with a guy who manufactures pillows who said the most important thing to him is a strong middle class. Why? Rich people don't buy hundred of pillows to cover poor people who buy just one. Theres only a finite number of pillows a house needs so he needs a large customer base to be successful. With the concentration of wealth going on, his base shrinks.

Part of the problem with the right is they want to give the top earners taxes breaks because they assume it will create jobs, but there is no link. A company owner could use the tax break to buy a competitor, merge companies, and lay people off. Or a new plane. Or simply give himself a larger bonus. Lots of things can happen, and creating a new job is just one of them. The GOP has this fantasy where rich people get more money and the first thing they do is create jobs. Romney is rich. How many jobs did he create? Fiorina got tens of millions of dollars for destroying jobs at HP. Time for another tax break?

It's another case of valuing ideology over evidence. Just look at the financial meltdown going on in Kansas if you want to see what happens when you take GOP economics to the extreme.

Also he accused UK.

At risk of lowering the tone again, but sometimes the satire rings more truthful:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/he-spouts-exactly-the-same-bollocks-in-private-gchq-confirms-20170317124290

Trump is only doing what the US govt had been doing for ages. Why suddenly it's an issue now?

No evidence doesn't mean, it's not happening or didn't happen, it's just that, they have nothing tangible to go on

Please explain how making claims based on no evidence is different from the "fake news" Trump regularly denounces. If Trump were to claim that he was surrounded by aliens in human form, despite there being no evidence or nothing tangible to validate his claims, would you still support him? How crazy do his claims have to get before the medics are called in?

Now Trump is saying he based his wire-tapping allegations on something he saw on Fox News. Never mind that the Fox News report aired after Trump made his claims, or that the reporter in question also has no evidence whatsoever (isn't that fake news too? Or maybe it doesn't count if it's on Fox News?).

When it comes to talking arrant nonsense Trump is on a similar level to Venezuela's Maduro, and we can all see what a success he is.

It just means you accused someone of something you have no evidence for.

Both sides have zero evidence.

That's what you guys don't seem to get. This is an accusation. Within that context, at least a single shred of evidence would be the lowest possible bar, right?

Pretty much.

You seriously lack perspective.

No, I don't.

How can a company run and make a profit if it starts losing consumers or has no consumers? The more consumers you get the more jobs you'll need to meet the needs of the amount of consumers you gain. Would an Apple store only have one employee if they have 50 consumers in the store at one time? Would an apple store have 50 employees if they only have one customer? Hopefully that cleared that up for you.

That's not what I meant, the point is, you need someone with money to create a job, that's my point and a poor person can't do that.

Would any wealthy business executive create a job out of thin air if they had no need to?

I would say, yes. Whether to create a company, innovate or to create something beneficial for society, there is always a need and a will.

That wouldn't be financially wise now would it? So yes, consumers do create jobs not the other way around.

With NO money, impossible.

Putting up partisan blinders again are we Bass?

Never.

Just "pretend it never happened". You know exactly what claim I'm talking about, because it's in the headline You can try to avoid reality, but it's always going to be there looking you in the face at every turn. The truth always stares people in the face, its lies that people have to hide.

What in blazes are you talking about? It doesn't matter if it's in the headlines, why on Earth would I trust a body of so called liberal journalists that are hell bound on bringing down the president rather than doing their job as journalists to report and let the public decide instead of constantly pushing a one-sided purposely orchestrated narrative?

Now Trump is saying he based his wire-tapping allegations on something he saw on Fox News. Never mind that the Fox News report aired after Trump made his claims, or that the reporter in question also has no evidence whatsoever (isn't that fake news too? Or maybe it doesn't count if it's on Fox News?).

Again, just because there's no evidence doesn't make Trump a liar if he deeply believes it, that's just his personal opinion, but given the history of the Obama admin and listening to Merkel's conversations, Netanyahu's and using the IRS to investigate conservative donors during the 2012 election cycle, targeting FN journalist James Rosen, you gotta admit, it's not that far fetched. So I tend to believe the man.

When it comes to talking arrant nonsense Trump is on a similar level to Venezuela's Maduro, and we can all see what a success he is.

The last admin. talked a lot of nonsense as well and how!

Bass:. donors during the 2012 election cycle, targeting FN journalist James Rosen, you gotta admit, it's not that far fetched. So I tend to believe the man.

Hardly. You don't believe Trump at all on the wiretapping issue. We both agree that he's either paranoid or lying, and we both agree that's not good.

For the next couple of weeks Trump will just let the story fade away like his other bullshit statements, and we will go on with our lives.

That's not what I meant, the point is, you need someone with money to create a job, that's my point and a poor person can't do that.

You seriously do lack perspective. You're coming across as one of the, "Men in high towers" that can't see what's going on below. As long as you've already got yours, everyone else can go to hell.

Money doesn't just magically appear in corporate bank accounts. There are a lot of very subtle effects that happen across the board that affect the total outcome of how our economy works. You need to start paying more attention to them. I see poor (not homeless) employed people with credit cards, cell phones, cars, cable, dish, interenet, housing, eating fast food, going to movies, .... that's a consumer that is giving their money to the wealthier business owners buddy. So yes, a poor person can do that. You keep forgetting I was raised poor, and live in a low income neighborhood. Not every poor person qualifies for food stamps, or welfare, or Medicaid because they're usually just above the cut-off for assistance.

If a poor person is able and willing to spend $5 on a product or service and the top executive receives at least $1 out of that purchase, they have just received profit from that poor individual's purchase. Now lets say there were about 2 million poor employed consumers that purchased that same exact service/product, then that same top executive just made $2 Million off of poor consumers, which would be part of the total of $10 million which gets spread across the rest of the corporations operational costs and such. Which is enough to help produce more JOBs. It's not just the middle class and rich that contribute to the economy total, it's everyone. The percentage of working poor that contribute as consumers to our economy is well above 20%. Sure they don't shop as consistently as someone in higher income brackets, but they still manage to find a way to shop.

Just because they're not buying the most expensive high quality products all the time doesn't mean they don't have the ability to have a decent amount of disposable income. It may take them longer to purchase certain things (if they don't keep themselves in debt by poor monetary choices using a cc), but yes, they're still spending money.

It doesn't matter if it's in the headlines, why on Earth would I trust a body of so called liberal journalists that are hell bound on bringing down the president rather than doing their job as journalists to report and let the public decide instead of constantly pushing a one-sided purposely orchestrated narrative?

You asked what claim, and I stated Trump's claim that he was wire tapped. Then you say you don't believe in any "liberal" orchestrated stuff, which Trump has stated and also tweeted (because he believed from propagandized sensationalist news sources), which started the whole fiasco in the first place. That's all you man. I agree that the media does need to stop focusing on propaganda sensationalism and focus more on factual journalism. But Trump hasn't ever really helped himself either with his reliance on people who only say "yes" to him.

So I tend to believe the man.

Make up your mind'. Just because someone believes in something strong enough will not make it true no matter what anyone wants to believe. As I said, the truth always stares one in the face regardless. Facts are truth. Made up "facts" are still lies.

IT been proven today that the FBI are convince that the FOOL is a RUSSIAN TOOL. The FBI had totally clear that no wire tap had been on the FOOL by President Obama. Yes the FOOL is a RUSSIAN TOOL